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SimonB
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1088 Posts
June 07 2009 16:59 GMT
#1481
6-9 is a pretty miniscule sample as it is. Maybe there are aspects of the map that are Protoss favored, but I don't see anything glaringly unbalanced about it.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
June 07 2009 16:59 GMT
#1482
On June 08 2009 01:38 haley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2009 18:41 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On June 07 2009 18:23 ambit!ous1 wrote:
for those of you (JD fans) who are crying about the map balance

the overall ( elimination / pc bang games ) ZvP in Hearbreak Ridge is 19:11


GJ Bisu! <3 Taek Yong!


Yeah it totally doesn't matter that the ratio is less than Z 1:3 P in pro games. jesus.

How can no one respond to this inaccuracy? Right now, it's 6: 9 ZvP on Heartbreak Ridge including the GOM match that happened afterwards. 6: 9 is 2:3, which is greater than 1:3 by a large margin. And assuming this comment was before the GOM match, then it's 5: 9. 5: 9 is 1.67:3, still greater than 1:3.


Your point?
We all know Heartbreak Ridge is a bad map for zerg.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
June 07 2009 17:12 GMT
#1483
On June 08 2009 01:59 SimonB wrote:
6-9 is a pretty miniscule sample as it is. Maybe there are aspects of the map that are Protoss favored, but I don't see anything glaringly unbalanced about it.

It doesn't matter about stats, the map itself, the structure of it favors protoss over zerg. Although it played a minor part in last night's game, I don't see why everyone is denying it.
Jaedong
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
June 07 2009 17:14 GMT
#1484
On June 08 2009 02:12 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2009 01:59 SimonB wrote:
6-9 is a pretty miniscule sample as it is. Maybe there are aspects of the map that are Protoss favored, but I don't see anything glaringly unbalanced about it.

It doesn't matter about stats, the map itself, the structure of it favors protoss over zerg. Although it played a minor part in last night's game, I don't see why everyone is denying it.

I'm not denying it, in fact Bisu's words are like a given truth to me, he already said multiple times, even before 10 pvz were played on this map, that it is very friendly for toss against zerg
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-07 17:17:36
June 07 2009 17:14 GMT
#1485
On June 07 2009 16:41 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2009 16:30 MuffinDude wrote:
With this, we now know who is the better starcraft player, bisu. You can't deny that avidkeystamper. =D

I could. This one game does not determine who is the better sc player, it probably will determine the PR though.
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2009 16:37 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I choose not to include "hold position bro" and think of them more as 6-6 now.

Why? His loss that game had nothing to do with hold position, he played dumb, today, he played smart.


Fine, as of now bisu is playing better games than jaedong. Who cares about their overall record, its now that matters.

On June 08 2009 02:12 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2009 01:59 SimonB wrote:
6-9 is a pretty miniscule sample as it is. Maybe there are aspects of the map that are Protoss favored, but I don't see anything glaringly unbalanced about it.

It doesn't matter about stats, the map itself, the structure of it favors protoss over zerg. Although it played a minor part in last night's game, I don't see why everyone is denying it.


It did play a minor role, but people like savior was whooping people left and right even with the map imbalances.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-07 17:15:47
June 07 2009 17:15 GMT
#1486
shit wrong thread
HEY MEYT
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
June 07 2009 17:19 GMT
#1487
On June 08 2009 02:14 MuffinDude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2009 16:41 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On June 07 2009 16:30 MuffinDude wrote:
With this, we now know who is the better starcraft player, bisu. You can't deny that avidkeystamper. =D

I could. This one game does not determine who is the better sc player, it probably will determine the PR though.
On June 07 2009 16:37 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I choose not to include "hold position bro" and think of them more as 6-6 now.

Why? His loss that game had nothing to do with hold position, he played dumb, today, he played smart.


Fine, as of now bisu is playing better games than jaedong. Who cares about their overall record, its now that matters.
Dubious. The only bo5 in recent memory was taken by Jaedong, and they're both raping like crazy in Proleague. Just going off of one game doesn't prove anything.
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
June 07 2009 17:20 GMT
#1488
On June 08 2009 02:19 Zozma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2009 02:14 MuffinDude wrote:
On June 07 2009 16:41 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On June 07 2009 16:30 MuffinDude wrote:
With this, we now know who is the better starcraft player, bisu. You can't deny that avidkeystamper. =D

I could. This one game does not determine who is the better sc player, it probably will determine the PR though.
On June 07 2009 16:37 TwoToneTerran wrote:
I choose not to include "hold position bro" and think of them more as 6-6 now.

Why? His loss that game had nothing to do with hold position, he played dumb, today, he played smart.


Fine, as of now bisu is playing better games than jaedong. Who cares about their overall record, its now that matters.
Dubious. The only bo5 in recent memory was taken by Jaedong, and they're both raping like crazy in Proleague. Just going off of one game doesn't prove anything.


Bo was like at the beginning of the year. It was so long ago.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
Gliche
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States811 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-07 17:56:21
June 07 2009 17:25 GMT
#1489
Four recommended games? JAEDONG vs BISU??!!

I can't believe I missed this for a stupid party?! WTF WAS I THINKING???

Youtube time! <3 nevake!

Edit: epic series, exciting and hilarious. jd vs bisu could/should have been better though, a bit too standard. and after seeing the warnings below, i think i'll not read this LR thread =/
KT fighting~!! | Designing things is fun!
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
June 07 2009 17:39 GMT
#1490
You know it's amazing the shitstorm a JD vs Bisu match causes.. or really when any two on fire players play against each other.

Instead of enjoying the game people throw up a ton of excuses no matter who wins, be it on the map, how sick the guy is, not being at their best... whatever.

Just enjoy the games guys.

Bisu winning was good for my fantasy and my liquibet though.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
erin[go]bragh
Profile Joined December 2008
United States815 Posts
June 07 2009 17:48 GMT
#1491
I read about 2 pages after the Bisu/JD game and had to stop. Talk about a buzz kill. Can't people just enjoy the game? It took 2 seconds for JD and Bisu fans to start going at each others throats.
JulyZerg! by.hero, effOrt, KTY.
400lb White Girl
Profile Joined April 2009
United States83 Posts
June 07 2009 18:07 GMT
#1492
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koloskye
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16 Posts
June 07 2009 18:46 GMT
#1493
Just watched the ACE match on Youtube, Bisu v. Jaedong. Amazing!
There's really no such thing as too many High Templar.
alt.tday
Profile Joined April 2009
United States180 Posts
June 07 2009 18:48 GMT
#1494
DAMN. FUCK. SHIT. FUCK. FUCK. Damn why the hell did Jaedong lose??? AHHHHH dang it >.<
♠Spades ♣Clubs ♥Hearts ♦Diamonds ★★★★★
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-07 19:21:37
June 07 2009 18:59 GMT
#1495
On June 08 2009 01:38 haley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2009 18:41 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On June 07 2009 18:23 ambit!ous1 wrote:
for those of you (JD fans) who are crying about the map balance

the overall ( elimination / pc bang games ) ZvP in Hearbreak Ridge is 19:11


GJ Bisu! <3 Taek Yong!


Yeah it totally doesn't matter that the ratio is less than Z 1:3 P in pro games. jesus.

How can no one respond to this inaccuracy? Right now, it's 6: 9 ZvP on Heartbreak Ridge including the GOM match that happened afterwards. 6: 9 is 2:3, which is greater than 1:3 by a large margin. And assuming this comment was before the GOM match, then it's 5: 9. 5: 9 is 1.67:3, still greater than 1:3.


Because when I said it the map db was 33% and then Bisu won. That's why no one corrected me -- because when I said it my point was clear.

I mean if you want I'll go into a huge winding rant about how the hard to defend expansions wreak havoc on a zerg mid-to-late game, or talk about how the chokes perfectly benefit storms, or how the fights in the field are dominated by storm because of the battle for the high ground forcing the zerg to move forward or automatically lose their army and their expansion, etc, but you'd be daft to think it's not p favored even if statistics violently swinged from less than 1:3 zvp to 2:3 zvp.


That aside Bisu still deserved his win. I agree with everyone else who isn't missing a few bolts that his HT protection and early OL sniping are what put him ahead. The map's imbalance just sealed it for him later on.
Remember Violet.
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
June 07 2009 19:19 GMT
#1496
4:8 is 1:2, not 1:3
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-07 19:22:41
June 07 2009 19:20 GMT
#1497
woops, my bad. What I get for staying up late. Should just edit it to be 33% because that's still abysmal. I have a loopy brain that associates 33%=1/3=1:3 I guess.
Remember Violet.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
June 07 2009 19:33 GMT
#1498
The map is definitely imbalanced but you know its not much to complain about what with the zerg favoured ones recently

And i think as of now they are both equal players neither would be favourite in a Bo match. I wouldn't say Bisu is in better form after JD's recent game against Leta he still looks really strong, just had so much ZvZ lately due to the map pool its been hard to really see his skill in other matchups.
Signet
Profile Joined March 2007
United States1718 Posts
June 07 2009 20:27 GMT
#1499
That is the way I see it too... Bisu vs Jaedong just means that we're watching probably the two best players ever. Even as a huge Bisu fan, I don't think either one is really better than the other, and it can always go either way.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
June 07 2009 20:37 GMT
#1500
On June 08 2009 03:07 400lb White Girl wrote:
[image loading]


If there is a better version it can easily replace the Bisu one.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
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