EPTOn June 07 2009 15:55 CorSairHeRo wrote:
hes won more than 1 game vs a good player.
hes won more than 1 game vs a good player.
Yeah I mean Bisu won a OSL AND beat Jaedong in a random PL match, so we can call him bonjwa.
Oh wait.
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Gumbo
Canada807 Posts
Yeah I mean Bisu won a OSL AND beat Jaedong in a random PL match, so we can call him bonjwa. Oh wait. | ||
GTR
51712 Posts
On June 07 2009 15:55 Dazed_Spy wrote: no p is his worse. hes not 6-6 this pl, lost to jjonga a while ago...etc. undeniable his zvp is his weakest. Two years ago if you said that, I would have agreed with you. Now, definitely not. His gameplay style revolving around mutalisk harassment is way, way more effective vP rather than vT. As players have started to solve the mutalisk harass problem in TvZ, I'd say his ZvP at the moment is better than his ZvT. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
On June 07 2009 15:51 ReketSomething wrote: Keep in mind...this is Bisu's best matchup versus JAedongs worst I think ZvT is his worst. | ||
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darktreb
United States3019 Posts
My thoughts: - Bisu did outplay Jaedong in the early game, independent of map imbalance - While it was Jaedong's fault to be outplayed by a bit in the early game, Heartbreak ridge certainly makes it much, much harder for a Zerg to pull off a comeback, especially against the greatest PvZ player of all time - Certainly nothing can be CONCLUDED about the relative skill levels of these players, so let's stop trying to! - Even though I'm not a JD fan, there's no question he sets the tone for Zerg players everywhere. I'm somewhat worried that Battle Royal was a curse in disguise, given the amount of ZvZ he played exclusively during the "offseason" inbetween Starleague seasons. As an example, it took him 3 games to beat both Movie and jjonga in GOM. - I don't like Bisu as a player but I have to admit, when he plays at his fullest potential, it makes you wonder how he ever loses. His wins feel effortless. - There's simply nothing like SC played at the absolute highest level, between any combination of Bisu, Jaedong, and Flash, as well as other cases (such as Flash-Leta the other night). It's amazing. And finally, here's hoping that Bisu, JD, and Flash all work themselves into top form for the upcoming MSL and OSL. With Flash playing better lately there's actually a decent chance all three will be playing near their peaks and we'll all be treated to the most intense, high level BoX ever played between some combination of these players in the upcoming Starleague. One can hope! | ||
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VioleTAK
4411 Posts
Then when it happen I kicked my gf out of the room. Here come the pain. Well worth it though :-) | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On June 07 2009 15:58 Nevuk wrote: Bisu won because of his unit composition (making goons early on, everyone was saying wtf in chat but it made sniping HT exceptionally hard) and taking down 4 early OL. JD almost came back with great micro when defending his fourth, but the defiler + consume were just 10 seconds too late. Don't think the defiler/consume woulda mattered much. Bisu's fuckton of +3 zeals/archon were storming in, and after Jaedong lost all his lurkers, wiping up woulda made it pretty easy for Bisu. | ||
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
On June 07 2009 15:59 VioleTAK wrote: Time to fix the damage now... I woke up 5am for this, waited 2 hours for the Bisu-JD... Then when it happen I kicked my gf out of the room. Here come the pain. Well worth it though :-) wow. | ||
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DoX.)
Singapore6164 Posts
On June 07 2009 15:59 VioleTAK wrote: Time to fix the damage now... I woke up 5am for this, waited 2 hours for the Bisu-JD... Then when it happen I kicked my gf out of the room. Here come the pain. Well worth it though :-) haha nice | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On June 07 2009 15:56 Avidkeystamper wrote: I don't know. Is overpool better economically in ZvP? Well, it is a map factor since the narrow choke is easily exploitable for other races. See Shine vs Lomo. 12 hatch is obviously better economically, but it leaves the toss in even better economic position. think of it that way. sorry, but this is not even worth arguing about. that is not why jaedong lost. well anyway i gotta go watch a movie ggs tonight | ||
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johanes
Czech Republic2246 Posts
On June 07 2009 15:59 darktreb wrote: I'm not a fan of either Bisu or Jaedong (though I respect their incredible skill immensely - they are the two best players right now with Flash/Fantasy vying for a close third), so perhaps my view is *slightly* more objective. My thoughts: - Bisu did outplay Jaedong in the early game, independent of map imbalance - While it was Jaedong's fault to be outplayed by a bit in the early game, Heartbreak ridge certainly makes it much, much harder for a Zerg to pull off a comeback, especially against the greatest PvZ player of all time - Certainly nothing can be CONCLUDED about the relative skill levels of these players, so let's stop trying to! - Even though I'm not a JD fan, there's no question he sets the tone for Zerg players everywhere. I'm somewhat worried that Battle Royal was a curse in disguise, given the amount of ZvZ he played exclusively during the "offseason" inbetween Starleague seasons. As an example, it took him 3 games to beat both Movie and jjonga in GOM. - I don't like Bisu as a player but I have to admit, when he plays at his fullest potential, it makes you wonder how he ever loses. His wins feel effortless. - There's simply nothing like SC played at the absolute highest level, between any combination of Bisu, Jaedong, and Flash, as well as other cases (such as Flash-Leta the other night). It's amazing. And finally, here's hoping that Bisu, JD, and Flash all work themselves into top form for the upcoming MSL and OSL. With Flash playing better lately there's actually a decent chance all three will be playing near their peaks and we'll all be treated to the most intense, high level BoX ever played between some combination of these players in the upcoming Starleague. One can hope! nice writing, completely agree  | ||
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cosiant
Canada616 Posts
On June 07 2009 15:59 VioleTAK wrote: Time to fix the damage now... I woke up 5am for this, waited 2 hours for the Bisu-JD... Then when it happen I kicked my gf out of the room. Here come the pain. Well worth it though :-) Tell her Bisu won, she'll understand. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On June 07 2009 15:59 VioleTAK wrote: Time to fix the damage now... I woke up 5am for this, waited 2 hours for the Bisu-JD... Then when it happen I kicked my gf out of the room. Here come the pain. Well worth it though :-) You're awesome | ||
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bearbuddy
3442 Posts
On June 07 2009 15:59 VioleTAK wrote: Time to fix the damage now... I woke up 5am for this, waited 2 hours for the Bisu-JD... Then when it happen I kicked my gf out of the room. Here come the pain. Well worth it though :-) Good Luck dude. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
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Solinren
United States2653 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/maps/199_Heartbreak_Ridge/games/ZvP It looks like the better player won almoste very time ^^ Seems to me like toss has a hard to take 3rd, Zerg has a hard to old 4th. But what do I know... Bisu just outplayed Jaedong in this game: 1. got second probe scout in which led to 2. + goon hits = killing 1 ovie in his base faster + 1 in jaedong's main faster than normal 3. not losing HTs to mutas + getting good storms off 4. avoiding too many obs snipes etc. | ||
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
On June 07 2009 15:59 VioleTAK wrote: Time to fix the damage now... I woke up 5am for this, waited 2 hours for the Bisu-JD... Then when it happen I kicked my gf out of the room. Here come the pain. Well worth it though :-) i know man. girlfriends don't understand the epicness of jaedong vs bisu | ||
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