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Powerpill
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States1693 Posts
June 07 2009 07:48 GMT
#861
anyone know when the other ro16 games are being cast? (thought I heard them say Sunday, but not sure)
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johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2246 Posts
June 07 2009 07:55 GMT
#862
On June 07 2009 16:48 Powerpill wrote:
anyone know when the other ro16 games are being cast? (thought I heard them say Sunday, but not sure)

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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51712 Posts
June 07 2009 07:58 GMT
#863
Friday Night 10pm KST every week.
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Aoki
Profile Joined May 2009
11 Posts
June 07 2009 07:59 GMT
#864
There's a rep recently of Zero absolutely being a prick to some random iccup player and taunting/insulting him completely unprovoked..just something to think about.
johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2246 Posts
June 07 2009 08:20 GMT
#865
On June 07 2009 16:59 Aoki wrote:
There's a rep recently of Zero absolutely being a prick to some random iccup player and taunting/insulting him completely unprovoked..just something to think about.

come on, who hasnt been BM to some random noob at least once?
Aoki
Profile Joined May 2009
11 Posts
June 07 2009 09:16 GMT
#866
On June 07 2009 17:20 johanes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2009 16:59 Aoki wrote:
There's a rep recently of Zero absolutely being a prick to some random iccup player and taunting/insulting him completely unprovoked..just something to think about.

come on, who hasnt been BM to some random noob at least once?
I don't personally give a shit it's just if you think what Idra does is bad, Zero pretty much committed murder.
Krigstar
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden77 Posts
June 07 2009 09:33 GMT
#867
JWD wrote:
a) Teams regularly give their players progaming licenses - in fact, it may be even more common to receive a license in this way than it is to win one in Courage. Each pro-team receives a certain amount of licenses to award over a given time period. Far from "completely unheard of" - don't use such strong language without checking your facts.

b) IdrA is far from "the worst progamer in Korea". First, if you define "pro" as someone with a progaming license, there are countless Courage winners who are not even good enough to be picked up by a team. And second, even amongst players who both have licenses and are on teams, IdrA is not worst. He destroyed ToSsGirl at ESWC (who is a progamer, by the way) and has now made appearances in GOM, offlines, and minor league - that's more than many B-team players can say.



a) Idra got a license because he was white, not because he had potential. He was faaaaaar away from pro-gaming standard and if he were a korean he wouldn't get a license.

b) Ok, Idra is the worst pro-gamer AFTER tossgirl. He beat the only progamer besides himself who are a progamer for marketing reasons, not for the skill

Superb way of defending Idra Seriously though, why do you bother nitpicking on that comment. Ok he is not the worst, but he is not far away from it which is the point. Trashtalking like an idiot with any sense of humour if you are the worst or close to the worst gamer is not very different in my opinion.

Honestly JWD, what do you have against Daniel Lee? I don't understand how a true starcraft fan can have something against him. Daniel has done nothing, but help the starcraft community You said earlier in the thread that you have a problem with him and I'm just curious since you trashed him pretty hard before editing your posts. I just wonder how that is possible. I honestly find it impossible to not love Daniel as a starcraft fan.

And JWD, your arguments seems to be just nitpicking. Look at the whole picture like the rest of us! Ok, this particular incident wasn't that bad. No, Idra is probably not THE worst pro-gamer right now. But that's not the point. Idra has been given a chance by Daniel. He is there because of Daniel. He is in this tournament because of Daniel and he just shows total lack of respect. I agree that the argument "American BM doesn't work in Korea" is stupid. This is not American BM, this is stupidity in every part of the world and every normal human being would be as upset as Daniel.

Yes, Daniel acted unproffesionally here, but I don't see you go off like this in the other 250 incidents where Idra has done that same thing. After all the history with Idras BM I can't see any reason to defend him other than blind patriotism.
Senix
Profile Joined October 2004
Germany149 Posts
June 07 2009 11:37 GMT
#868
Idras making SDM look like a idiot. People will think what was wrong with SDM to waste a license on someone like this. SDM is losing his face. Imagine how he must feel. There is this kid that is calling himself a progamer ONLY because SDM gave him the license. Not because of skill because lets be honest we all know he wouldnt have gotten a license on his own.

People respect SDM and trust him to have made the right choice with Idra. But as it turns out he hasnt.

You´re no longer just palying for yourself Idra. Grow up and take some responsibility.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
June 07 2009 11:40 GMT
#869
On June 07 2009 18:33 Krigstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
JWD wrote:
a) Teams regularly give their players progaming licenses - in fact, it may be even more common to receive a license in this way than it is to win one in Courage. Each pro-team receives a certain amount of licenses to award over a given time period. Far from "completely unheard of" - don't use such strong language without checking your facts.

b) IdrA is far from "the worst progamer in Korea". First, if you define "pro" as someone with a progaming license, there are countless Courage winners who are not even good enough to be picked up by a team. And second, even amongst players who both have licenses and are on teams, IdrA is not worst. He destroyed ToSsGirl at ESWC (who is a progamer, by the way) and has now made appearances in GOM, offlines, and minor league - that's more than many B-team players can say.



a) Idra got a license because he was white, not because he had potential. He was faaaaaar away from pro-gaming standard and if he were a korean he wouldn't get a license.

b) Ok, Idra is the worst pro-gamer AFTER tossgirl. He beat the only progamer besides himself who are a progamer for marketing reasons, not for the skill

Superb way of defending Idra Seriously though, why do you bother nitpicking on that comment. Ok he is not the worst, but he is not far away from it which is the point. Trashtalking like an idiot with any sense of humour if you are the worst or close to the worst gamer is not very different in my opinion.

Honestly JWD, what do you have against Daniel Lee? I don't understand how a true starcraft fan can have something against him. Daniel has done nothing, but help the starcraft community You said earlier in the thread that you have a problem with him and I'm just curious since you trashed him pretty hard before editing your posts. I just wonder how that is possible. I honestly find it impossible to not love Daniel as a starcraft fan.

And JWD, your arguments seems to be just nitpicking. Look at the whole picture like the rest of us! Ok, this particular incident wasn't that bad. No, Idra is probably not THE worst pro-gamer right now. But that's not the point. Idra has been given a chance by Daniel. He is there because of Daniel. He is in this tournament because of Daniel and he just shows total lack of respect. I agree that the argument "American BM doesn't work in Korea" is stupid. This is not American BM, this is stupidity in every part of the world and every normal human being would be as upset as Daniel.

Yes, Daniel acted unproffesionally here, but I don't see you go off like this in the other 250 incidents where Idra has done that same thing. After all the history with Idras BM I can't see any reason to defend him other than blind patriotism.


Aha.. and how do you fucking know Idra is the worst pro gamer after toss girl?
uh wait uhm.. you don't

I dont think JWD has any problems with Daniel Lee, except for humiliating Idra the way he did.
Nobody's denying that he's done a ton of shit for esports and starcraft.



Lol, Daniel Lee @gomtv talking about valor: "yeah go watch that.... Ill be super calm next time"
beep boop
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
June 07 2009 11:47 GMT
#870
well idra has played only a single game in the minor league. And he lost. So hes not even good amongst b-teamers. And every other game i can think of against koreans hes lost too, in Gom etc.
DM20
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada544 Posts
June 07 2009 11:47 GMT
#871
On June 07 2009 20:40 7mk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2009 18:33 Krigstar wrote:
JWD wrote:
a) Teams regularly give their players progaming licenses - in fact, it may be even more common to receive a license in this way than it is to win one in Courage. Each pro-team receives a certain amount of licenses to award over a given time period. Far from "completely unheard of" - don't use such strong language without checking your facts.

b) IdrA is far from "the worst progamer in Korea". First, if you define "pro" as someone with a progaming license, there are countless Courage winners who are not even good enough to be picked up by a team. And second, even amongst players who both have licenses and are on teams, IdrA is not worst. He destroyed ToSsGirl at ESWC (who is a progamer, by the way) and has now made appearances in GOM, offlines, and minor league - that's more than many B-team players can say.



a) Idra got a license because he was white, not because he had potential. He was faaaaaar away from pro-gaming standard and if he were a korean he wouldn't get a license.

b) Ok, Idra is the worst pro-gamer AFTER tossgirl. He beat the only progamer besides himself who are a progamer for marketing reasons, not for the skill

Superb way of defending Idra Seriously though, why do you bother nitpicking on that comment. Ok he is not the worst, but he is not far away from it which is the point. Trashtalking like an idiot with any sense of humour if you are the worst or close to the worst gamer is not very different in my opinion.

Honestly JWD, what do you have against Daniel Lee? I don't understand how a true starcraft fan can have something against him. Daniel has done nothing, but help the starcraft community You said earlier in the thread that you have a problem with him and I'm just curious since you trashed him pretty hard before editing your posts. I just wonder how that is possible. I honestly find it impossible to not love Daniel as a starcraft fan.

And JWD, your arguments seems to be just nitpicking. Look at the whole picture like the rest of us! Ok, this particular incident wasn't that bad. No, Idra is probably not THE worst pro-gamer right now. But that's not the point. Idra has been given a chance by Daniel. He is there because of Daniel. He is in this tournament because of Daniel and he just shows total lack of respect. I agree that the argument "American BM doesn't work in Korea" is stupid. This is not American BM, this is stupidity in every part of the world and every normal human being would be as upset as Daniel.

Yes, Daniel acted unproffesionally here, but I don't see you go off like this in the other 250 incidents where Idra has done that same thing. After all the history with Idras BM I can't see any reason to defend him other than blind patriotism.


Aha.. and how do you fucking know Idra is the worst pro gamer after toss girl?
uh wait uhm.. you don't

I dont think JWD has any problems with Daniel Lee, except for humiliating Idra the way he did.
Nobody's denying that he's done a ton of shit for esports and starcraft.



Lol, Daniel Lee @gomtv talking about valor: "yeah go watch that.... Ill be super calm next time"


When someone you vouch for fucks up you have the right to be mad at them. Was he right to humiliate him like that, maybe not, but I can understand why he did it.
isbunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden1017 Posts
June 07 2009 12:03 GMT
#872
Who cares if idra is the worst, second worst or third worst. In any case he is too terrible of a player in Korea to have that kind of an attitude.

Even if he was good, he still should act professional, because that is what he is supposed to be, a pro.
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Krigstar
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden77 Posts
June 07 2009 12:25 GMT
#873
On June 07 2009 20:40 7mk wrote:

Aha.. and how do you fucking know Idra is the worst pro gamer after toss girl?
uh wait uhm.. you don't

I dont think JWD has any problems with Daniel Lee, except for humiliating Idra the way he did.
Nobody's denying that he's done a ton of shit for esports and starcraft.



Lol, Daniel Lee @gomtv talking about valor: "yeah go watch that.... Ill be super calm next time"


I don't know if Idra is the worst pro-gamer after tossgirl. But JWD used tossgirl as an example of a pro-gamer he has beaten (since there are no other examples unfortunetaly).

JWD had a problem with Daniel Lee before, he said so earlier in the thread and it is obvious from reading his posts too.

You also have to take into account that Daniel can't really whine on Idra openly the way Idra whines on everything. What are Daniel supposed to do? Engage in a flamewar with Idra? It must be frustrating as hell to just keep his mouth shut during all this time and finally he slipped and couldn't hide his dissapointment... Yes it was unproffesional, but that doesn't change the fact that Idra is still an ungrateful kid with neither results nor manner that deserves no support.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-07 12:35:01
June 07 2009 12:25 GMT
#874
On June 07 2009 20:47 DM20 wrote:
When someone you vouch for fucks up you have the right to be mad at them. Was he right to humiliate him like that, maybe not, but I can understand why he did it.

I can understand too, I just think he totally overreacted because basically Idra didnt really fuck up at all.

On June 07 2009 20:47 infinity2k9 wrote:
well idra has played only a single game in the minor league. And he lost. So hes not even good amongst b-teamers. And every other game i can think of against koreans hes lost too, in Gom etc.


"even amongst b-teamers" .... well nobody's gonna disagree with you that Idra is worse than all the A-teamers... so now your argument is this : he played one game and he lost.
Ah he lost one game. so therefore he must be the worst player there is.
Thats some awesome logic right there.


On June 07 2009 21:03 isbunk wrote:
Who cares if idra is the worst, second worst or third worst. In any case he is too terrible of a player in Korea to have that kind of an attitude.

Even if he was good, he still should act professional, because that is what he is supposed to be, a pro.

Im not gonna disagree that Idra still needs to work on his attitude.




On June 07 2009 21:25 Krigstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2009 20:40 7mk wrote:

Aha.. and how do you fucking know Idra is the worst pro gamer after toss girl?
uh wait uhm.. you don't

I dont think JWD has any problems with Daniel Lee, except for humiliating Idra the way he did.
Nobody's denying that he's done a ton of shit for esports and starcraft.



Lol, Daniel Lee @gomtv talking about valor: "yeah go watch that.... Ill be super calm next time"


I don't know if Idra is the worst pro-gamer after tossgirl. But JWD used tossgirl as an example of a pro-gamer he has beaten (since there are no other examples unfortunetaly).

JWD had a problem with Daniel Lee before, he said so earlier in the thread and it is obvious from reading his posts too.

You also have to take into account that Daniel can't really whine on Idra openly the way Idra whines on everything. What are Daniel supposed to do? Engage in a flamewar with Idra? It must be frustrating as hell to just keep his mouth shut during all this time and finally he slipped and couldn't hide his dissapointment... Yes it was unproffesional, but that doesn't change the fact that Idra is still an ungrateful kid with neither results nor manner that deserves no support.



omg just... what are you talking about, seriously
He can't really whine on Idra openly? Wtf thats exactly what he did, in front of thousands of viewers, instead to talking to Idra himself.
"keep his mouth shut dring all this time" Again.. WTF?! This is the first game daniels ever casted where anything like that happened and he said himself, he hadnt seen such behavior from Idra before, only heard about it.


And yes, youre right you dont know if hes the worst progamer after tossgirl.
SO why say hes the worst pro gamer after tossgirl?
you said so because JWD said that hes better than tossgirl? Wow that doesnt even make sense in the slightest kind of way

Also I dont know if youre right about this, but I havent seen JWD say that he had a problem with daniel, he only asked if Daniel and Idra had a problem before if iirc.


Seriously man I love superdanielman, I just think his reaction was uncalled for
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silynxer
Profile Joined April 2006
Germany439 Posts
June 07 2009 12:38 GMT
#875
Haha this is gold:
Daniel Lee: "Idra is the worst progamer" => I'm sure he meant this and that making it a perfectly non insulting statement!!!
Idra: "With foreigners, I don't know what you're fukkin going to do" => He was totally bming Tarson and disrespecting Daniel Lee!!!

If you want professional standarts you should start with the organizers (setting up rules etc.) and commentators (not losing their mind over triffling matters or better any matters at all while casting) and then the players have to follow.
And yeah I'm repeating myself but consider the non-korean target audience, are you seriously saying any of you was offended by "fukkin"? Especially since if any other player would have written the same thing nothing would have happened and nothing would have happened if DL had just ignored it.

So it boils all down to Idras history:
Of course this incident was not the only thing DL was angry about but that makes it even worse, taking out his personal problems live on a cast...
Krigstar
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden77 Posts
June 07 2009 13:08 GMT
#876
On June 07 2009 21:25 7mk wrote:
omg just... what are you talking about, seriously
He can't really whine on Idra openly? Wtf thats exactly what he did, in front of thousands of viewers, instead to talking to Idra himself.
"keep his mouth shut dring all this time" Again.. WTF?! This is the first game daniels ever casted where anything like that happened and he said himself, he hadnt seen such behavior from Idra before, only heard about it.


And yes, youre right you dont know if hes the worst progamer after tossgirl.
SO why say hes the worst pro gamer after tossgirl?
you said so because JWD said that hes better than tossgirl? Wow that doesnt even make sense in the slightest kind of way

Also I dont know if youre right about this, but I havent seen JWD say that he had a problem with daniel, he only asked if Daniel and Idra had a problem before if iirc.


Seriously man I love superdanielman, I just think his reaction was uncalled for



Ok I think there are some misunderstansings. I said he was the worst after tossgirl just because JWD made it sound like that when the only example he gave was the he beat tossgirl. I believe (correct me if I am wrong) that Idra has only beaten one pro-gamer in an official match and that is tossgirl - and no offence to her - but she is just like Idra, a pro-gamer that exist for other reasons than their skill.

I don't know if he can beat someone else, but he hasn't so it's a stupid discussion. As Isbunk said, the point is not whether he is second worst or third worst or whatever. He is still among the worst and his attitude is embarassing and disrespectful. He only came to Korea because they wanted a white guy ot keep up ratings and all he has done is keep up with his bad manner, losing every important game and and embarass the foreign community. I have cheered for him a long time in the past and thought he would change. But cheering and supporting for he sole reason that he is the only white guy doesn't work anymore for me.

And umm... yes I know he was openly attacking Idra, but I said he hadn't done that unil that point which is correct, no?

About JWD having a problem with Daniel:


On June 07 2009 20:47 JWD wrote:
Daniel clearly doesn't give a shit about the foreigner scene
_________
Daniel must have some decent PR or something..."hey guys, can you glorify me by adding some expletives before and after my first name?" "Yeahhh!!!"
_______________
Yeah I was never a big fan of Daniel before this


koOl
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada254 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-07 13:24:20
June 07 2009 13:22 GMT
#877
doesnt mean she's worst player - she's beaten yellow, max and freemura to name a few so losing to idra doesn't make her the worst...idra is pretty good!! im sure there are other pros he can beat too
hihi
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6184 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-07 13:44:50
June 07 2009 13:42 GMT
#878
I heard SDM said "shit" in his commentaries, and if he's also used the F-word too then I don't see what's the problem. Chatting wasn't forbidden in this tournament, and I'm sure he shouldn't have expected that from amateurs (idra knew this was amongst foreigners, so chatting wasn't bm).
SDM should have been professional caster there. But he acted really immature and unprofessional.
I would like to see the rest of the matches being casted without him.

In the other matches he also mostly just pointed out the mistakes of the players, and didn't say anything good.
Obviously he should stay casting korean professional matches. But I wouldn't want to watch them anymore either tho.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-07 14:32:55
June 07 2009 13:51 GMT
#879
On June 07 2009 22:08 Krigstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2009 21:25 7mk wrote:
omg just... what are you talking about, seriously
He can't really whine on Idra openly? Wtf thats exactly what he did, in front of thousands of viewers, instead to talking to Idra himself.
"keep his mouth shut dring all this time" Again.. WTF?! This is the first game daniels ever casted where anything like that happened and he said himself, he hadnt seen such behavior from Idra before, only heard about it.


And yes, youre right you dont know if hes the worst progamer after tossgirl.
SO why say hes the worst pro gamer after tossgirl?
you said so because JWD said that hes better than tossgirl? Wow that doesnt even make sense in the slightest kind of way

Also I dont know if youre right about this, but I havent seen JWD say that he had a problem with daniel, he only asked if Daniel and Idra had a problem before if iirc.


Seriously man I love superdanielman, I just think his reaction was uncalled for



Ok I think there are some misunderstansings. I said he was the worst after tossgirl just because JWD made it sound like that when the only example he gave was the he beat tossgirl. I believe (correct me if I am wrong) that Idra has only beaten one pro-gamer in an official match and that is tossgirl - and no offence to her - but she is just like Idra, a pro-gamer that exist for other reasons than their skill.

I don't know if he can beat someone else, but he hasn't so it's a stupid discussion. As Isbunk said, the point is not whether he is second worst or third worst or whatever. He is still among the worst and his attitude is embarassing and disrespectful. He only came to Korea because they wanted a white guy ot keep up ratings and all he has done is keep up with his bad manner, losing every important game and and embarass the foreign community. I have cheered for him a long time in the past and thought he would change. But cheering and supporting for he sole reason that he is the only white guy doesn't work anymore for me.

And umm... yes I know he was openly attacking Idra, but I said he hadn't done that unil that point which is correct, no?

About JWD having a problem with Daniel:


Show nested quote +
On June 07 2009 20:47 JWD wrote:
Daniel clearly doesn't give a shit about the foreigner scene
_________
Daniel must have some decent PR or something..."hey guys, can you glorify me by adding some expletives before and after my first name?" "Yeahhh!!!"
_______________
Yeah I was never a big fan of Daniel before this




Yes he hadnt done that until that point because as I said in my post at least up to this game he didnt have any fucking reason to, so your post still doesnt make any sense, why do I have to repeat myself about this.

It's like person #1 saying "A" then person #2 saying "but A doesnt make sense because "B"
and then person #1 says ".... yeah but... A"

About JWD, aha, well I disagree with him but no surprise I didnt read it since it must have been in a different thread since it says he wrote it at 20:47.

And Tossgirl is certainly in a few events now for other reasons than her skill but she didnt just magically appear, she got where she is by being the best female sc player there is.
Just as Idra being is a bonus but theyre not doing this kind of thing just for fun. After all Estro/Daniel Lee got him there and theyre not gonna spend money on him so that ogn / mbc is gonna have higher ratings for one show or because therell be a few more people who like estro.
Youre right, the discussion about whether Idra is the worst/2nd worst/3rd worst whatever player is stupid, thanks for agreeing with what I said, just dont make it sound like you know shit.

And man all those arguments are just repeating itself:
Idra has bad attitude, Daniel Lee got him there etc.

General bs which might be true but that doesnt have to do anything with this thread: which is what happened in valour tournament, and in this instance, Idra barely did anything wrong, he just used a fucking swear word and didnt deserve to be humiliated like that.
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SwEEt[TearS]
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1575 Posts
June 07 2009 14:02 GMT
#880
I thought SDM's nerdrage was pretty justified, I mean bringing Idrama to SKorea was in hope to bring back foreigners into the SC scene and while he seems to be improving, aside from his CJ face he doesn't seem to learn from his BM'ing mistakes.

'cause honestly it's really hard to take someone seriously when you know he could call you a fucking scrub at any moment.
#1 arb fan -- Raelcun is Nuclear backwards. Rekrul is Lurker backwards. Grobyc is Cyborg backwards. Eniram is Marine backwards.
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