[Valor] Ro16 Day 1 - Page 44

On June 07 2009 16:48 Powerpill wrote:
anyone know when the other ro16 games are being cast? (thought I heard them say Sunday, but not sure)

On June 07 2009 16:59 Aoki wrote:
There's a rep recently of Zero absolutely being a prick to some random iccup player and taunting/insulting him completely unprovoked..just something to think about.

On June 07 2009 17:20 johanes wrote:

come on, who hasnt been BM to some random noob at least once?

JWD wrote:
a) Teams regularly give their players progaming licenses - in fact, it may be even more common to receive a license in this way than it is to win one in Courage. Each pro-team receives a certain amount of licenses to award over a given time period. Far from "completely unheard of" - don't use such strong language without checking your facts.

b) IdrA is far from "the worst progamer in Korea". First, if you define "pro" as someone with a progaming license, there are countless Courage winners who are not even good enough to be picked up by a team. And second, even amongst players who both have licenses and are on teams, IdrA is not worst. He destroyed ToSsGirl at ESWC (who is a progamer, by the way) and has now made appearances in GOM, offlines, and minor league - that's more than many B-team players can say.

On June 07 2009 18:33 Krigstar wrote:



a) Idra got a license because he was white, not because he had potential. He was faaaaaar away from pro-gaming standard and if he were a korean he wouldn't get a license.

b) Ok, Idra is the worst pro-gamer AFTER tossgirl. He beat the only progamer besides himself who are a progamer for marketing reasons, not for the skill

Superb way of defending Idra Seriously though, why do you bother nitpicking on that comment. Ok he is not the worst, but he is not far away from it which is the point. Trashtalking like an idiot with any sense of humour if you are the worst or close to the worst gamer is not very different in my opinion.

Honestly JWD, what do you have against Daniel Lee? I don't understand how a true starcraft fan can have something against him. Daniel has done nothing, but help the starcraft community You said earlier in the thread that you have a problem with him and I'm just curious since you trashed him pretty hard before editing your posts. I just wonder how that is possible. I honestly find it impossible to not love Daniel as a starcraft fan.

And JWD, your arguments seems to be just nitpicking. Look at the whole picture like the rest of us! Ok, this particular incident wasn't that bad. No, Idra is probably not THE worst pro-gamer right now. But that's not the point. Idra has been given a chance by Daniel. He is there because of Daniel. He is in this tournament because of Daniel and he just shows total lack of respect. I agree that the argument "American BM doesn't work in Korea" is stupid. This is not American BM, this is stupidity in every part of the world and every normal human being would be as upset as Daniel.

Yes, Daniel acted unproffesionally here, but I don't see you go off like this in the other 250 incidents where Idra has done that same thing. After all the history with Idras BM I can't see any reason to defend him other than blind patriotism.

On June 07 2009 20:40 7mk wrote:


Aha.. and how do you fucking know Idra is the worst pro gamer after toss girl?
uh wait uhm.. you don't

I dont think JWD has any problems with Daniel Lee, except for humiliating Idra the way he did.
Nobody's denying that he's done a ton of shit for esports and starcraft.



Lol, Daniel Lee @gomtv talking about valor: "yeah go watch that.... Ill be super calm next time"

On June 07 2009 20:40 7mk wrote:

Aha.. and how do you fucking know Idra is the worst pro gamer after toss girl?
uh wait uhm.. you don't

I dont think JWD has any problems with Daniel Lee, except for humiliating Idra the way he did.
Nobody's denying that he's done a ton of shit for esports and starcraft.



Lol, Daniel Lee @gomtv talking about valor: "yeah go watch that.... Ill be super calm next time"

On June 07 2009 20:47 DM20 wrote:
When someone you vouch for fucks up you have the right to be mad at them. Was he right to humiliate him like that, maybe not, but I can understand why he did it.

On June 07 2009 20:47 infinity2k9 wrote:
well idra has played only a single game in the minor league. And he lost. So hes not even good amongst b-teamers. And every other game i can think of against koreans hes lost too, in Gom etc.

On June 07 2009 21:03 isbunk wrote:
Who cares if idra is the worst, second worst or third worst. In any case he is too terrible of a player in Korea to have that kind of an attitude.

Even if he was good, he still should act professional, because that is what he is supposed to be, a pro.

On June 07 2009 21:25 Krigstar wrote:


I don't know if Idra is the worst pro-gamer after tossgirl. But JWD used tossgirl as an example of a pro-gamer he has beaten (since there are no other examples unfortunetaly).

JWD had a problem with Daniel Lee before, he said so earlier in the thread and it is obvious from reading his posts too.

You also have to take into account that Daniel can't really whine on Idra openly the way Idra whines on everything. What are Daniel supposed to do? Engage in a flamewar with Idra? It must be frustrating as hell to just keep his mouth shut during all this time and finally he slipped and couldn't hide his dissapointment... Yes it was unproffesional, but that doesn't change the fact that Idra is still an ungrateful kid with neither results nor manner that deserves no support.

On June 07 2009 21:25 7mk wrote:
omg just... what are you talking about, seriously
He can't really whine on Idra openly? Wtf thats exactly what he did, in front of thousands of viewers, instead to talking to Idra himself.
"keep his mouth shut dring all this time" Again.. WTF?! This is the first game daniels ever casted where anything like that happened and he said himself, he hadnt seen such behavior from Idra before, only heard about it.


And yes, youre right you dont know if hes the worst progamer after tossgirl.
SO why say hes the worst pro gamer after tossgirl?
you said so because JWD said that hes better than tossgirl? Wow that doesnt even make sense in the slightest kind of way

Also I dont know if youre right about this, but I havent seen JWD say that he had a problem with daniel, he only asked if Daniel and Idra had a problem before if iirc.


Seriously man I love superdanielman, I just think his reaction was uncalled for

On June 07 2009 20:47 JWD wrote:
Daniel clearly doesn't give a shit about the foreigner scene
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Daniel must have some decent PR or something..."hey guys, can you glorify me by adding some expletives before and after my first name?" "Yeahhh!!!"
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Yeah I was never a big fan of Daniel before this

On June 07 2009 22:08 Krigstar wrote:



Ok I think there are some misunderstansings. I said he was the worst after tossgirl just because JWD made it sound like that when the only example he gave was the he beat tossgirl. I believe (correct me if I am wrong) that Idra has only beaten one pro-gamer in an official match and that is tossgirl - and no offence to her - but she is just like Idra, a pro-gamer that exist for other reasons than their skill.

I don't know if he can beat someone else, but he hasn't so it's a stupid discussion. As Isbunk said, the point is not whether he is second worst or third worst or whatever. He is still among the worst and his attitude is embarassing and disrespectful. He only came to Korea because they wanted a white guy ot keep up ratings and all he has done is keep up with his bad manner, losing every important game and and embarass the foreign community. I have cheered for him a long time in the past and thought he would change. But cheering and supporting for he sole reason that he is the only white guy doesn't work anymore for me.

And umm... yes I know he was openly attacking Idra, but I said he hadn't done that unil that point which is correct, no?

About JWD having a problem with Daniel: