A warning from the staff - Page 12

On March 12 2009 22:49 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
we're not going to ban just for the word 'fag', that stuff is 100% contextual. that said, most of the time 'fag' is used in a negative context (flaming someone, or just being anti-gay - both of which are bannable), so expect bans to happen with the normal frequency on that subject. there is no link between homosexuality and someone saying 'manner pylon is so gay'.

the difference here is that words like 'nigger' and racist comments are always used in the context that is bannable, there is no alternative usage.

that's the bottom line, and is the approach we are using

On March 13 2009 02:47 FrozenArbiter wrote:

Not like the word nigger/niggah is never used in an ironic way -_-

On March 13 2009 03:07 CDRdude wrote:

I think that sexual orientation matters on a word that references (at least) a thousand years of oppressive homophobia.

On March 13 2009 03:29 CDRdude wrote:

Oh? Why shouldn't I compare the words? Black people were never officially sentenced to death just because they were black. Gay people were, sentenced to death for being gay for thousands of years, during the middle ages, and the practice still continues to this day. Black people had to deal with some harsh oppression, but it was never illegal for them to exist. I'm honestly not sure where you're coming from on this. Yes, slavery was bad. So is homophobia.

On March 13 2009 02:50 {88}iNcontroL wrote:


I dunno what kind of argument you are trying to make. Sure it has been done.. and is done in rap music I guess? But I'd contend the frequency of "gay" or "fag" being used in an alternative way or ironic way is far greater than the amount of times "nigger" or "niggah" is used.

Also this forum is populated by 99% white dudes (or asians).. the point being non blacks. And yeah, race matters on a word that references 400 years of oppressive slavery

On March 13 2009 03:38 FrozenArbiter wrote:

He said the word nigger ALWAYS carries racist connotations, and I don't think it does. I think it's a significantly stronger word than fag tho ;o

On March 13 2009 03:45 CDRdude wrote:
I really don't get what you're trying to say, there is some kind of huge disconnect here. Are we even talking about the same thing?

The context is words that have a history of discrimination. I'm saying that 'nigger' is to black people as 'fag' is to homosexuals. Is that so hard to understand? Is that what you consider ignorant?


You missed the key word in my sentence which was 'official', in this case meant as through the legal system. If there was ever a law somewhere that worked out to "it's illegal to be black, punishable by death", I do not know of it. There were a lot of harsh laws about black people, but I don't know of any regulating their existence.


I would urge you to read up on the subject yourself. It looks to me like you're automatically entering forum troll mode on a subject which means a lot to a lot of people. You are making no effort to understand the other person's point of view, much less what I'm saying in my posts; they aren't long posts either. This must be what trying to reason with Raithed is like.

On March 13 2009 04:15 CDRdude wrote:
What the hell man? Are you even reading my posts? I'm not talking about how the word official magically changes everything. I worded my post poorly, but I thought I clarified it in my next post. I'll try to explain it again, in case I was unclear. I meant to say that a nation or state's legal system (that's where the word official came in) never made it punishable by death to be black. Legal systems past and present have made homoxsexuality punishable by death. In that regard, I think that homophobic oppression has been worse than what happened to blacks. As for facing "oppressive social discomfort" for being homosexual, maybe executions/murders/beatings count as social discomfort to you, but to me that's very similar to being forced into slavery/death/dehumanization.

FakeSteve[TPR]: ...that stuff is 100% contextual"..."there is no link between homosexuality and someone saying 'manner pylon is so gay'"

On March 13 2009 06:52 Naib wrote:
Being homosexual is actually NOT a choice (and yes, I have been reading up on it). It isn't just genetics, but a part of the X chromosome has influence. Other factors are childhood interactions / trauma , and environment that one grows up in.

It isn't 100% pre-determined that someone is homosexual, but saying that it's a "choice" is pretty damn ignorant.

I would rather stay away from the other parts of this debate, but seeing a similar topic about homosexuality and reading how ignorant people are about this subject (and how they just throw unfounded opinions around like 100% bulletproof facts), I felt like I had to step in and share something what I didn't just pull out of my ass...

On March 13 2009 06:55 {88}iNcontroL wrote:


I wasn't saying being a homosexual is a choice. I was trying to say the lifestyle is a choice and I think some homosexuals DO choose to be homosexual to a certain degree. I also think / know others are homosexual because of environmental things like child abuse, rape or other traumatic events. I think there could be a genetic causal link as well.

Mostly I think the issue is very undecided and very hard to grasp in a few words. Don't get uppity on me because I gave all the disclaimers necessary. If you think I am trying to offend homosexuals you are wrong. If you think perhaps I am trying to argue the concept of "fag" vs nigger/rape on this forum specifically you are correct.