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EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
March 12 2009 23:58 GMT
#241
I Loled so hard at the video Fakesteve made saying:

"If you ever happen to post



bisu build



in the Live Report Threads, I'ma fly to where you live and own your ass"

(or something like that)


XD
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
March 13 2009 00:43 GMT
#242
On March 05 2009 21:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2009 21:29 pavement ist rad wrote:
I'm really glad this got posted. However, can we extend the "fag" and "gay" rule to all posts? I don't think that these words should ever be used as an insult or to mean something stupid that one disagrees with. Of course it has become part of our vernacular, but I've always seen TL as a fairly progressive place and it would be great to see these words disappear.


Nope. That shit really doesn't matter. We have gay forum members, and they don't care, so why on earth do you?

This is a terrible argument. It assumes that because the current representative of gays here don't care that all or at least 99% must not.

I happen to agree with you I just hate arguments like "Well my gays friends let me..."
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
March 13 2009 02:24 GMT
#243
On March 13 2009 09:43 DamageControL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2009 21:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
On March 05 2009 21:29 pavement ist rad wrote:
I'm really glad this got posted. However, can we extend the "fag" and "gay" rule to all posts? I don't think that these words should ever be used as an insult or to mean something stupid that one disagrees with. Of course it has become part of our vernacular, but I've always seen TL as a fairly progressive place and it would be great to see these words disappear.


Nope. That shit really doesn't matter. We have gay forum members, and they don't care, so why on earth do you?

This is a terrible argument. It assumes that because the current representative of gays here don't care that all or at least 99% must not.

I happen to agree with you I just hate arguments like "Well my gays friends let me..."


I don't really care what people who don't come to this site would find offensive on this site
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
DeepGreen
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States175 Posts
March 13 2009 04:05 GMT
#244
I already said my piece, but I think it's funny that 1a2a3aetc jokes are more likely to get you banned than debatably offensive intolerant words.

It's kind of of touching that Starcraft has been around (seriously) long enough for "race" jokes to become offensive!
So I told him your car was like that when I got here and as for your grandmother she shouldnt have mouthed off like that
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-13 04:08:42
March 13 2009 04:08 GMT
#245
It's less about it being offensive and more about it being an annoying old joke that needs to be put to rest.When 1/4 of the posts in a tourney thread are 1a2a3a references it gets kinda redundant.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
March 13 2009 04:09 GMT
#246
On March 13 2009 13:08 Bosu wrote:
It's less about it being offensive and more about it being an annoying old joke that needs to be put to rest.When 1/4 of the posts in a tourney thread are 1a2a3a references it gets kinda redundant.


Yep, exactly this. Come on, DeepGreen, nobody gets offended by 1a2a3a protoss is easy jokes.
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
DeepGreen
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States175 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-13 04:23:25
March 13 2009 04:22 GMT
#247
On March 13 2009 13:08 Bosu wrote:
It's less about it being offensive and more about it being an annoying old joke that needs to be put to rest.When 1/4 of the posts in a tourney thread are 1a2a3a references it gets kinda redundant.



...I actually never said 1a2a3a was offensive. I said it was more likely to get you banned than words that might offend people.

What tickles me is that SC has been around long enough to have "redundant" (as you put it) jokes about these factions that are, for lack of a better term, short-sighted and "racist."

Wasn't trying to reopen issues ><.

So I told him your car was like that when I got here and as for your grandmother she shouldnt have mouthed off like that
TicTacToe
Profile Joined March 2009
China21 Posts
March 13 2009 05:29 GMT
#248
what's 1a2a3a jokes?
WarHeart
7x-Justice
Profile Joined April 2008
Russian Federation28 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-14 11:27:35
March 14 2009 11:27 GMT
#249
Oho-ho. Bans for 'PROTOSS IMBA' are really bad. =)
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
March 14 2009 19:33 GMT
#250
not that they will be, because they're so ingrained in gamer culture, but the words "gay" and "rape" probably ought to be ban-worthy offenses. Those two words will always have offensive meanings to some members of the community, after all, and it's not like anyone's vocabulary is limited by removing them.

Just a suggestion though, I know it won't happen.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
March 22 2009 12:17 GMT
#251
On March 15 2009 04:33 talismania wrote:
not that they will be, because they're so ingrained in gamer culture, but the words "gay" and "rape" probably ought to be ban-worthy offenses. Those two words will always have offensive meanings to some members of the community, after all, and it's not like anyone's vocabulary is limited by removing them.

Just a suggestion though, I know it won't happen.

But those words are sometimes.. ahem... used to describe feelings.

Like for example, if there's a huge 200 food vs 200 food battle, and battle ends up with one player with 50 food and other with 150 food, we can say 'hope shit he just got raped' or 'wtf gay storms, destroyed all the tanks'.

I'm sure, in those context, people won't find them that offensive. Maybe we should do a poll?
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Loanshark
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
China3094 Posts
March 22 2009 13:52 GMT
#252
On March 13 2009 14:29 TicTacToe wrote:
what's 1a2a3a jokes?


Joke about Protoss being ez (or imba, depending). All you need to do is 1a2a3a your guys in.
No dough, no go. And no mercy.
Blunderbore
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Lithuania23 Posts
March 22 2009 15:21 GMT
#253
[QUOTE]On March 22 2009 21:17 konadora wrote:

But those words are sometimes.. ahem... used to describe feelings.
<...> we can say 'hope shit he just got raped' or 'wtf gay storms, destroyed all the tanks'.

[QUOTE]

you mean you can't find other words to express your feelings? you must be popular with girls ^^
Fan of Termite Terran (Bogus)
Calyx
Profile Joined January 2009
United States49 Posts
March 22 2009 15:32 GMT
#254
[QUOTE]On March 23 2009 00:21 Blunderbore wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 22 2009 21:17 konadora wrote:

But those words are sometimes.. ahem... used to describe feelings.
<...> we can say 'hope shit he just got raped' or 'wtf gay storms, destroyed all the tanks'.

[QUOTE]

you mean you can't find other words to express your feelings? you must be popular with girls ^^[/QUOTE]

You have to admit, in this instance konadora is right - try saying "jaedong just raped that n00b" and then "jaedong won."

There is a big differance! And don't try arguing that you could just substitute the word 'rape' for something else. In gaming culture, 'rape' has a connotation different from any other word you can find. Sure, you could get your point across without using the word, but it just wouldn't be the same.
Your mind has been transported back in time... and to Mars.
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
March 22 2009 15:43 GMT
#255
The point is not that the word has a unique connotation in gaming culture... of course. Just like the N word has a unique connotation when used by certain groups compared to others.

The point is that, regardless, the use of any offensive word can be, well, offensive, even if the person who used it didn't intend it. That can't be changed. If there's a rape survivor on this forum, can you imagine how they feel every time they see the word used in such a relatively lighthearted context? Of course people don't mean it this way, but hearing the word used in this manner effectively equates their experience with someone beating someone else at starcraft. And that can cause at least a twinge of pain for survivors. The same point can be made about the word gay, since it's most often used in the gamer world to connote something negative.

Like I said before, nothing will change here with regards to official policy and these two words. But I hope, in the long run, that people think about the language they use. There are substitutions (none are perfect), but I, for example, use "lame" instead of gay and "own" instead of rape. Something to think about.
Excello.ChOseN
Profile Joined April 2008
United States82 Posts
March 22 2009 15:45 GMT
#256
Going back a page to geoff + cdrdude's comments.
This is sooooo dumb. Cdrdude are you still in middle school?
Ok, here I'll make this really simple. Say I'm gay. Ok so now I'm gay, I like men, not so attracted to females. I now have the choice, hey am I going to go around telling ppl I like men. Hey I'm gay! Or could I hide it by so many things. I could even choose just not to have sex at all. I could just say ok I'm gonna go become a preacher, or I'm gonna go become a eunich. Just for the sake of argument either of those things is better then being dead.

Now to change it up. Say I'm black. Ok I'm black, in the past I would simply be a slave. Theres no choices I have here. I can't hide that I'm black. I can't make a lifestyle choice and say hey I'm going to just stop being black, or avoid being black. Its not even in the same category as being gay.
Cdrdude, to conclude, you are a pathetic ignorant child. Good day sir ^_^!
pavement ist rad
Profile Joined January 2007
United States226 Posts
March 23 2009 22:37 GMT
#257
I think a lot of people here miss the point.
YES: fag/gay is used a lot, it is part of our vernacular, it means a lot of things, and NONE of them are good.

the POINT: even though you don't realize it, you are using the word as an insult, which is harmful. You should try not to use language like this on the internet or in real life. Words are powerful, they are linked to stigmas which we should try as whole to break down. Using such words just continues them.
NicolBolas
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1388 Posts
March 23 2009 23:22 GMT
#258
On March 23 2009 00:32 Calyx wrote:
You have to admit, in this instance konadora is right - try saying "jaedong just raped that n00b" and then "jaedong won."


That's a classic strawman. There are other alternatives that do not use the word "rape" that are more exciting than "won":

"Jaedong owned the hell out of that fuggin' n00b."
"Jaedong absolutely crushed that n00b."

They get the point across without using that language. And they allow us to all sound different, instead of everybody using the exact same language like they were clones or something.

Also, if you have to call a match a "rape," it had better be exactly that. Not just "owning" or "won handily" or even "dominated the match". So many things have been called "rape" that aren't worthy of that word that it's starting to lose all meaning.

"Gay"... there's really no defense for that one.
So you know, cats are interesting. They are kind of like girls. If they come up and talk to you, it's great. But if you try to talk to them, it doesn't always go so well. - Shigeru Miyamoto
Xusneb
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada612 Posts
March 23 2009 23:25 GMT
#259
In this day and age, I don't really see how there's any argument from the people who want to justify their usage of these words. If you want to appear civilized and be considerate to other people, try finding replacement words or at least have the decency to recognize (and maybe apologize for) your mistaken word usage. If you want to use the word then go for it, there's no law stopping you (freedom of speech and all that ). However, just realize that you will come off as someone stupid and ignorant to other people. Of course, most people don't care about what others think I suppose, so this point is usually moot.

Personally, I cringe at these words and my personal opinion of the person using these words usually goes down a bit. It just shows one is not understanding what he or she is saying or one just doesn't really care that much about other people.
If you want to be happy, be. - Leo Tolstoy
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51646 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-12 12:51:28
April 12 2009 12:50 GMT
#260
'Bumping' this because I have noticed lately that the quality has once again dwindled somewhat.

Examples

On April 12 2009 21:47 fanatacist wrote:
Storm your own goon more you dipshit.


On April 12 2009 21:43 fanatacist wrote:
HOW THE FUCK DID SPEAR NOT PREPARE FOR THIS SHIT


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