EPTOn January 16 2009 20:04 Baddieko wrote:
there must be a way to pvz on tears. Stork, Kal and Free will come up with it.
there must be a way to pvz on tears. Stork, Kal and Free will come up with it.
I'm pretty sure Kal has won a PvZ on tears.
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DownMaxX
Canada1311 Posts
I'm pretty sure Kal has won a PvZ on tears. | ||
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Choros
Australia530 Posts
On January 16 2009 20:06 Shikyo wrote: I'd like to ask a question. How much damage done after 5pool is enough so that you're still ahead if you go overlord -> a few drones -> expand to nat? He didn't seem to do that much and was still way ahead. For example, if you get 2 cannons and defend with probes for a while, and the Z kills maybe 5 probes, is the Z ahead? Id say it depends on how many probes the Protoss cuts in order to actually get the cannons up but I would say that if they kill 5 probes then its probably about even, any less your behind, and more and it should be a fast gg | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
On January 16 2009 19:41 Rostam wrote: Yeah, I'm wondering if Shuttle has even bothered to watch any of the other PvZ games on this map so far because it didn't seem like it there. Luxury didn't even have to make use of the second entrance to win that.. well, if you can read Korean you could see that he asked the referees to not start game for an additional minute so he could check the map preview. | ||
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Baddieko
Singapore855 Posts
On January 16 2009 20:08 DownMaxX wrote: I'm pretty sure Kal has won a PvZ on tears. yes won 1 game against an average progamer Z with 4 gate push. But against high tier Z such pushes will be defended. Still not enough to convince. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On January 16 2009 19:58 Shikyo wrote: Since what you said was obviously false... And I just gave a list of recent maps with non-narrow chokes and back entrances(considering protoss FE) Sorry, I misspoke when I only talked about the width of the entrance. But rather, what sets Tears of the Moon apart is rather the location of the expansion, which prevents the protoss from funneling all units to a single choke. Maps like Destination may have wide chokes, but you can cut off one side so there's only one point of defense. You can't do that with Tears of the Moon because then you won't be able to protect the expansion AND prevent the runby up the ramp at the same time. Edit: Want to add that I have no clue what the "optimal" FE positioning is for this map, so I could be wrong. Just commenting on what Shuttle did. Probably the optimal FE position hasn't been invented yet, or doesn't exist. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 16 2009 20:12 freelander wrote: well, if you can read Korean you could see that he asked the referees to not start game for an additional minute so he could check the map preview. Some people sure take OSL seriously, don't they? | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On January 16 2009 20:12 freelander wrote: well, if you can read Korean you could see that he asked the referees to not start game for an additional minute so he could check the map preview. Seriously? That seems really stupid on his part if so, what the hell else does the guy have to practice for if not the OSL?... | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8093 Posts
On January 16 2009 20:08 Plexa wrote: Luxury is going 0-3 in his group unless he 5pools some more seriously... Plexa whats with all the lux hate? | ||
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Baddieko
Singapore855 Posts
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
On January 16 2009 20:16 Rostam wrote: Seriously? That seems really stupid on his part if so, what the hell else does the guy have to practice for if not the OSL?... welcome to romania, to the left you see the world trade center, one of the most famous landmarks of this small european country. | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On January 16 2009 20:15 Shikyo wrote: Some people sure take OSL seriously, don't they? There is no map preview for obs maps -__-. And he already played vs Hiya on the same map and Shuttle used same FE sim city as bisu cept later 2nd canon. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
On January 16 2009 20:25 damenmofa wrote: welcome to romania, to the left you see the world trade center, one of the most famous landmarks of this small european country. That was totally uncalled for. | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On January 16 2009 20:25 damenmofa wrote: welcome to romania, to the left you see the world trade center, one of the most famous landmarks of this small european country. I'm terribly sorry if my perception is not up to your standards. He played like garbage in those games so I wouldn't have had a hard time believing it was his first time on them. | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
On January 16 2009 20:58 Rostam wrote: I'm terribly sorry if my perception is not up to your standards. He played like garbage in those games so I wouldn't have had a hard time believing it was his first time on them. He's welcoming you to Romania because he's from romania and regular non-romanian people don't get his logic. On another note, I don't get why Protosses complain so much about FE on that map. Silver once said "FE is a privilege, not a right." Now it may not necessarily be a privilege, but it's a trade-off. If it's a bad trade, then don't do it. | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
On January 16 2009 21:24 damenmofa wrote: wtf guys, these are progamers, they play for 8-12 hours a day. Do you think they are playing sunken defence in that time or what? You can be pretty sure that every progamer has had a ton of games on all current league maps... that would explain a lot of things haha | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On January 16 2009 21:24 damenmofa wrote: wtf guys, these are progamers, they play for 8-12 hours a day. Do you think they are playing sunken defence in that time or what? You can be pretty sure that every progamer has had a ton of games on all current league maps... I don't want to derail the thread so I'm not going to get sucked into a long argument here, but in response to this: "Seriously?" usually denotes skepticism or disbelief. I only considered it because he seemed to have absolutely no idea what he was doing against Luxury so I was wondering if he might not have had time to practice the map because of something else that I wasn't aware of (Winners' League, personal issues, etc.). That's all I'll say on the issue. | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Game1: Set 1: HiyA(T) vs BorAdori(P) http://www.playsc.com/voddownload/Download/090116_BATOO_OSL_Game1_Set1_HiyA_vs_BorAdori.avi Set 2: HiyA(T) vs BorAdori(P) http://www.playsc.com/voddownload/Download/090116_BATOO_OSL_Game1_Set2_HiyA_vs_BorAdori.avi Game2: Set 1: BorAdori(P) vs Luxury(Z) http://www.playsc.com/voddownload/Download/090116_BATOO_OSL_Game2_Set1_BorAdori_vs_Luxury.avi Set 2: BorAdori(P) vs Luxury(Z) http://www.playsc.com/voddownload/Download/090116_BATOO_OSL_Game2_Set2_BorAdori_vs_Luxury.avi | ||
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
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