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Harem
United States11393 Posts
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
The only good news is that the maps in the pool are tending to be against zerg. So SKT1 should be better off than any other team just because of the map pool ><;; | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
On October 19 2008 16:22 Fontong wrote: Hydras are really cost effective against metal, just consider the cost of a hydra compared to that of a tank or goliath. It was kind of old school though, wasn't it? Well, that's kind of the thing. A lot of new players (zergs) have mostly (say 95% of the time) been playing against standard M&M builds. It's one of the advantages that keeps shining through with July over and over. He doesn't get surprised/thrown off his game by nonstandard builds. Same when he played Mind on Hwarangdo in EVER this spring. Mind went for a vulture-->goliath mech if I remember correctly, and got completely shredded by July. A pretty low-econ build for a pretty low-econ map - worked perfectly. Same with how he handled corsair/reaver in th ever so famous g3 against BeSt in the osl finals. A lot of people would be taken off their game by corsair/reaver. July is as comfortable as ever against it. He's been around for too long to be taken off guard by most builds and he doesn't choke when faced with something unorthodox. He simply knows how to adapt. I think the best way to tackle him is just to play the build you feel the most comfortable with and outplay him by superior mechanics. I think someone like Hwasin or Sea would overpower him on a map like Othello or Medusa with an M&M build. Their mechanics are just so solid in that build I think July wouldn't be able to handle it. But then again, what do I know? July hasn't been playing an awful lot of ZvT lately to give a good picture of how his play is against M&M. The game against Flash last month was not a good example. He just went mass mutas and overcommited. Doesn't really tell anything. | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
Btw, lifetime stats mean nothing. GoRush is like 55% or something and he's useless in proleague. You'd think that Hyuk would be really useful on the ZvZ that always occurs on Raid Assault II but he gets sniped. Twice, IIRC. | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
Remember when Estro had 2 wins in a row and proceeded to lose 14 in a row next? SKT will pick up, and I agree Teams without a good zerg player tend to do poorly Too bad SKT didn't buy Luxury when they had the chance, it could've pulled them up to the top | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
Although July might not have the mechanics of the newer players, his experience really makes him fun to watch. Same as all of the older players and exemplified by Boxer. | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
On October 19 2008 16:06 Aux1 wrote: kal's reavers didnt fire because of his horrible positioning. what the fuck dont you get? Are you an idiot? He was in horrible position cus he was forced into it. More than 2 reavers/1 shuttle and it's too much to shuttle micro them, so people tend to fall back on formation at that point. Best struck at a great time when kal wasn't paying attention. | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
Damn I wish I had screenshotted that!  The STX coach poking Hwasin repeatedly in the ear and twisting his finger around. Hwasin did not look amused at all.... so the coach did it again That dude rocks  | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
It seems that Midas hasn't recovered from his OSL loss though. I've only seen him in the lineups once, and it would seem that he would be optimal choice for ace. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
 This wasn't a "OMG JULY KNOWS HOW TO BEAT MECH!" moment - not even close. The way Canata fucked up most zerg players would have smashed him to pieces. Canata let July back into the game, had no vulture presence, and sat back and massed units - so Zerg gets their eco up. And whoever said Hydras are good vs mech...wtf? :/ You need a shit ton of hydras and late game defilers to even have a chance of breaking a major mech force. They are not cost effective at all, but they work because of the damage type and the fact that you can replace your army of hydras much faster than he can replace tanks. If you lose 4 hydras for every 1 tank you probably won't care if he let you have 5 expos now would you? | ||
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economist_
Vietnam719 Posts
On October 19 2008 16:28 thunk wrote: Not even. Fantasy's TvZ looked really good actually versus GGpaly in game three and it's well known that Midas' TvZ is really good. I think SKT1's dearth of good zergs and good zerg practice partners is really hurting their team. Hyuk is the worst in the league right now in win-loss ratio and GoRush is washed up. Rumble needs to get better. Fantays TvsZ was horrible before the match against GGPlay. The only reason that he won vs GGplay is that he gave GGplay a big surprise by his revolution. Look at his standard TvsZ in that match, it might be better but still had no chance against well-prepared GGplay. I am pretty sure his games before that semi looked damn poor which resulted in 4 games losing streak This Canata mech build is just the output of the T team research I guess but using it without making Z surprise would mean suicide | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On October 19 2008 16:35 thunk wrote: Yea, I think once SKT1 players stop prepping for the OSL they'll play a lot better. It seems that Midas hasn't recovered from his OSL loss though. I've only seen him in the lineups once, and it would seem that he would be optimal choice for ace. For ace, I would probably pick best- he seems like he's most on top of his game out of all of the skt1 players. The ones that are out of msl/osl are the best for the announced matches, but you just want the straight up best player for ace (or your cluch player i suppose- see anytime/pusan) | ||
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Ideas
United States8167 Posts
On October 19 2008 11:28 Ideas wrote: I can't wait for this match! predictions: Bisu > by.hero ( I love watching bisu lose to Zs but I don't see by.hero beating anyone but boxer) Midas < Hwasn (Hwasin is TvT godness) rumble < Calm (calm is on STX and I like STX) best > Kal (Kal is way cooler than best but best is best :\) ace match: Best < July (because July is awesome) I was fucking close....Canata = best though  | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
and their terran lineup needs a revitalize :\ | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
On October 19 2008 16:37 economist_ wrote: Fantays TvsZ was horrible before the match against GGPlay. The only reason that he won vs GGplay is that he gave GGplay a big surprise by his revolution. Look at his standard TvsZ in that match, it might be better but still had no chance against well-prepared GGplay. I am pretty sure his games before that semi looked damn poor which resulted in 4 games losing streak This Canata mech build is just the output of the T team research I guess but using it without making Z surprise would mean suicide I actually thought that Oov recommended that metal build to Fantasy because GGplay probably would have won if Fantasy let the game go to hive. There was an interview where somebody said that the biggest difference between rookies and veterans was that veterans' late game mechanics were so much better. If you look at it like that, Fantasy was better off trying to end the game relatively early rather than let GGplay's superior late game kick in. It's a hard question to answer from where we stand right now. We'll see in future games whether or not Fantasy's mnm play is any good. Plenty of players have completely reversed previous play in their weak matchups in less than 4 months ago, when Fantasy's last set of TvZ losses occurred. | ||
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Aux1
United States780 Posts
On October 19 2008 16:34 .risingdragoon wrote: Are you an idiot? He was in horrible position cus he was forced into it. More than 2 reavers/1 shuttle and it's too much to shuttle micro them, so people tend to fall back on formation at that point. Best struck at a great time when kal wasn't paying attention. i dont get what is so hard for you to understand. Kal never should have attacked and he had horrible positioning when he moved to attack. Best's only option at this point in the game was to go all-in and hope for the best(no pun intended). Kal should have realized this and just stayed in his safe position. Best has amazing macro--obviously, however Kal lost a won game here, he did not get outplayed by best in this game | ||
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
On October 19 2008 16:52 Aux1 wrote: i dont get what is so hard for you to understand. That's my line. You don't win a game while the other guy still has an army running around. Kal had the advantage, he harrassed better all game long but as soon as he let his main army get intercepted by best (get this, he wasn't moving to attack, he was just moving) while he was still savoring that dt harrass, he lost too much ground and the game. When Best crossed the lower high ground with a superior army the game was effectively finished. The fact that he gained that ground instead of getting lucky and walking into it makes it a comeback. | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Ideas, you were sooooo close. + Show Spoiler + On October 19 2008 11:28 Ideas wrote: I can't wait for this match! predictions: Bisu > by.hero ( I love watching bisu lose to Zs but I don't see by.hero beating anyone but boxer) Midas < Hwasn (Hwasin is TvT godness) rumble < Calm (calm is on STX and I like STX) best > Kal (Kal is way cooler than best but best is best :\) ace match: Best < July (because July is awesome) | ||
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9071 Posts
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Gatw
United Kingdom4 Posts
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