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I figure we can get this discussion started
Players
Z - iNcontroL 
Z - Machine 
T - IdrA 
T - Artosis 
T - Yosh 
P - G5 
P - NonY 
P - Louder 
P - Future 
? - Unknown 
Groups are not out yet but I am assuming the final will be 2 groups of 5 with a round robin style tournament with the top 2 from each group advancing to the final 4. The final 4 will probably be a normal tournament format with the seedings going - Group A #1 vs Group B #2 and Group B #1 vs Group A #2 with a losers bracket.
October 2-5. Only 1 player goes to Germany for the Grand Final.
iNcontroL iNcontroL is replacing Skew via the US Open. Skew decided to drop out due to simply not caring about sc anymore. iNcontroL is at the top of the list of players for a reason. He is the defending champion and is undoubtedly looking to retake what is his. iNcontroL is one of the worst mechanic players in the field and one of (if not the) smartest in the field. He is a true thinker and plays his respective race as uniquely as anyone in the world. Will human kinds representative out last this field of robots and reclaim his crown as USA Champion? Only time will tell.
Artosis is a player who sticks out. He has represented USA twice at the Grand Finals and has placed in the top 5 in WCG USA every single year but has sadly never won it. Maybe his current job in Korea has given him some builds to break his cherry and bring home the title and represent WCG USA one more time. Either way, he is the most lan experienced player in the field (yes even more then IdrA) and as always is the black sheep no one expects to go far but always seems too. Lets see what the US Open champion can do.
IdrA is a progamer for CJEntus and has been to USA Finals last year (his only time) and lost in the group stages playing PvT vs his group of 5 Terrans. This year will be a different story for sure as he is one of the heavy favorites to win and is playing more then anyone right now.
NonY is a strong player who has top 4'd in WCG USA before. He did very well in the TSL and in various other online tournaments this year. He is another top contender which many feel will take 1st. NonY is probably only out matched by IdrA in mechanics and is probably overall the most solid player in the field. He is a very heavy favorite to win along with IdrA.
G5 (me ^_^) is apparently (IdrA interview -_-) known as a very abusive player and the maps "favor" my race. I guess I will just abuse and try to BO win every game vs every player and hope for the best. Woohoo~
Machine is the only Zerg player and has the advantage of being the only Zerg player. With ZvT being his best and ZvZ being his worst, he is in the best position he could have hoped for. Machine has been around for a while but never even qualified for Regionals until this year and now he is at the National Finals. Machine is the most solid Zerg in America (imo he has one of the most solid play styles of any foreign Zerg) and has the advantage of only having to practice 2 match ups. Also, with only 1 Zerg player, there may be many players who just skip TvZ / TvP practice leading up to the finals, this also plays into Machines hands. Machine has fast hands, great macro and a very solid player and could cause some upsets in this tourney. Watch out for this man. + Show Spoiler +If I were to give Machine any advice, it would be to take advantage of the fact that everyone knows his play style and will skip PvZ / TvZ practice. If I were him, I would learn some sneaky / unexpected BO's (not just saying cheese). Everyone will probably be playing standard / cookie cutter build orders vs him and he should prepare for this accordingly.
Nyoken Nyoken has dropped out due to unknown (unknown to me) reasons and a replacement hasn't been announced yet. It's going to be sad to see a USA Finals without Nyoken  . Love ya man~ Maybe USA Finals Veteran and South Regionals 3rd LzGaMeR will replace him?
Yosh reminds me of Froz a lot in the sense that he is a very seasonal player and comes to life around WCG time and when he is active, he plays A LOT. He placed 2nd in 2005 (I think 2005) and qualified for the Grand Finals but gave up his spot to Cocoa for school. He is a monster in all match ups and says his TvT is his best match up. The few things this man does play in, he does extremely well in. He is currently top 3 in Ascension (and will remain there for life) and was the first foreigner to A- in the last ICCUP Season (Season 5) before having his account hacked. Yosh is a very quiet / nice guy and you won't even notice him until he rapes the bahjesus out of you and your looking around thinking "wtf just happened?". Look for him to do very well.
Louder is an old school player. He isn't a great threat to anyone here imo. I guess we will just see what he does.
Future is another old school player who I believe is a bit out of shape. He shouldn't be too big of a threat to anyone but I hear hes a nice guy and I look forward to meeting him. As with Louder, I guess we will just see how he does.
Predictions anyone?
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United States10774 Posts
Yosh, Idra, Nony in that order
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Great players and great personalities.
IdrA, NonY and Yosh is my choice o.,o
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idra, nony and artosis (just because he's in korea right now...)
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i miss froz, he was nice irl !
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im hoping for yosh, so maybe 1. yosh 2. idra 3.nony ? if yosh's tvt really is his strongest :>
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I hope machine wins but i think idra ,yosh and nony will probably win, maybe nyoken too.
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The most exciting player of USA is missing T-T
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On September 02 2008 15:36 G5 wrote:
G5 (me ^_^) is apparently (IdrA interview -_-) known as a very abusive player and the maps "favor" my race. I guess I will just abuse and try to BO win every game vs every player and hope for the best. Woohoo~
I had to laugh at this
On September 02 2008 15:36 G5 wrote:
Louder is an old school player. He isn't a great threat to anyone here imo. I guess we will just see what he does.
and this
From my position of ignorance I am picking IdrA, Nony, and Yosh in that order. IdrA is a progamer and practises with pro teams, NonY is just solid and driven to win (and protoss), and I heard Yosh was pretty good so whatever.
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that's not true! i only played in 1 online prelim and opted not to play in the others
grrrr
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i just didn't wanna play in this year's WCG
same as last year
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT G5!!
SLANDER!!!
YELLOW JOURNALISM
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On September 02 2008 15:36 G5 wrote:
The rest of the old old WCG Champions don't play anymore / didn't compete.
THATS ME RIGHT UP THERE
ROAWR
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Lol nony and idra to win this easily but gl one shot terran aka toothpick terran aka nyoken
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On September 02 2008 16:57 Day[9] wrote:
i just didn't wanna play in this year's WCG
same as last year
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT G5!!
SLANDER!!!
YELLOW JOURNALISM
noted
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51453 Posts
IdrA, NonY, Yosh, Artosis Top 4.
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right except for the artosis part imo
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atm, idra and nony are the strong favourites, but i have a feeling nyoken and yosh will surprise everyone..
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1. NonY
Two. Yosh
III. Idra
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good luck yosh
1)yosh
2)idra
3)nony
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1. Yosh/Idra
3. Nony
just my guess o,o gogo usa bw!
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Yosh/Nony will win WCG USA, even with all that estro training and progamer liscence, I dont think Idra has enough skill to beat theese 2 players.
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1)Idra
2)Nony
3)Artosis ( I beleve in you^^)
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I hope IdrA wins the whole shit.. Becouse he has to Playing in Korea for some time now, says abit. So he HAS TO WIN!!!!!
but
NonY! <3
Yosh! <3
G5 <3
Machine <3
Artosis <3
can take him down!!
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im pretty sure idra is in the best shape at the moment because he trains A LOT, even tho I heard just recently that Yosh have been playing a whole lot games on ICCUP with great success.
I'd say
1. Idra
2. Yosh
3. NonY
and Machine won't be last for sure.
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wtf
it saddens me everytime I see such a lineup and only 1 spot =[
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Yosh and Nyoken or Idra and Nony
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I hate the fact that iNcontroL/LzGaMeR failed to qualify. Both really deserved to go, but it just wasn't their year I guess.
This will be a tough WCG, which makes it hard to pick a winner. While NonY, IdrA, Yosh, and G5 are probably the heavy favorites I would really like to see Machine (playing in his first wcg usa finals) and Future do well!
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Korea (South)11580 Posts
Nyoken / Future show them what's up!
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United States12607 Posts
Good luck to everyone! Go NonY~
With this lineup, I'm pretty sure we (USA) will have a good representative at WCG!
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Idra will definitely be the best player going into this tournament... but as we all know the best players don't always win. Else Jaedong would be champion of everything for 2 years running.
I hope you guys have some nifty all-ins planned. xD
I'm going to enjoy sitting back and watching the fireworks :p
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tbh day im really happy you decided not to play this year, you probbaly woulda raped me ^^
i think idra is the favorite followed by nony then g5
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This is going to be a really tough one to call, I guess Idra needs to win this though, to show that his training in Korea is really worth something.
But then again Machine is the only Zerg in it, so Machine fighting!
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1. Idra.
2. Yosh.
3. Nony.
Yosh's TvP is siiiicccckk, but I think Idra's practice regimen will give him the matchup power necessary (particularly TvT) to win this.
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On September 03 2008 00:39 HaXxorIzed wrote:
1. Idra.
2. Yosh.
3. Nony.
Yosh's TvP is siiiicccckk, but I think Idra's practice regimen will give him the matchup power necessary (particularly TvT) to win this.
I'm not sure about the time being.. But IdrA's TvT was absolute garbage before going to Korea... I'm not sure how drastically it has changed, but it is going to have to be damn good to even compete with Nyoken or Yosh's TvT.... IdrA will take this IF he has improved his TvT tenfold.
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it has, he now beats artosis and nyoken more than they beat him i think
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Idra and to qoute Idra "who cares ?".
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he beat sea[shield] for gods sake lol
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I look at it like this, if Idra doesnt win, I'd consider it a huge loss for him considering how much training and effort hes putting into his game as of late. Does usa have one spot or two again?
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1. Yosh
2. NonY
3. Idra/G5 (toss up) whooooooa O_O!
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1.Yosh (This guy is pure talent he will win for sure one of rare ppl that actually use his brain )
2. Nony/Idra ( Both are kinda the same. Great mechanics every game same BO robot style dont help vs inventive players )
3. G5 ( G5 really sold player and maybe will surprize all because there is alot of terrans and he is good PvT)
4. Artosis (Artosis is same style as Idra just alot weaker dont think he is mass gaming while making tons of vods)
The rest dont think got even small chance to win this.
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Idra>Yosh>Nony>Idra>Yosh>Nony>Idra>Yosh>Nony>Idra>Yosh>Nony>Idra>Yosh>Nony>Idra
it´s an endless circle
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This is what I love to see. The predictions are so spread out, its great. There is no clear winner to everybody and that is fantastic. For years USA has always had a wide spread skill base but no one who could really be called a top foreigner and compete with the likes of Mondragon / Draco etc... Now we have many and its great to see. I can't wait for this US Finals. My only wish was that iNc and LZ were there.
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Agreed with G5, I still hope iNc and Lz plan on at least coming to LA to hang out. I heard Geoff is planning on going to observe and Lz's brother qualified for CNC3, so he will probably be there also.
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I am hoping machine and nyoken do well considering machine is only zerg player and nyoken is pretty good and representing the east coast. Either way ill be happy with any one who wins as long as they can bring USA the gold ^^
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On September 03 2008 04:43 -StrifeX- wrote:
Louder
Future
Skew
I agree completely - places 7-10 in no particular order.
I really don't see anyone having a hope of winning outside idra/nony/yosh. Since it's only one spot I think idra has the best chance - if he's learned nothing else in korea, he's learned to play under pressure better than anyone else who will be at the finals by playing in courage tournaments and such. I think yosh probably has the second best chance... he is incredibly fast (doesn't spam like some people with 300+ apm hands do to get his 300 apm) and multitasks better than most foreigners I've seen.
I don't see artosis/g5/nyoken/machine having a chance breaking into the top 3, much less the top one. I think they're all good players but it's just not going to be their year.
In any case, I am looking forward to watching some epic games between nony/yosh/idra, should be good stuff.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
If IdrA can't even win WCG USA, I think his chances of passing Courage are a longshot. But if he can beat Sea[Shield], Yosh and NonY should be no problem.
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It all depends on the initial groups for me, I hope that NonY wins so maybe he can get his shot at going to korea. Idra should win bcuz I mean com'on he does this for living ! But deep inside I think yosh is going to spoil the show =[
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On September 03 2008 05:55 TvAll wrote:
It all depends on the initial groups for me, I hope that NonY wins so maybe he can get his shot at going to korea. Idra should win bcuz I mean com'on he does this for living ! But deep inside I think yosh is going to spoil the show =[
I hope groups are something like this:
Group 1:
Louder
Future
Skew
Artosis
Nyoken
Group 2:
Yosh
Nony
Idra
G5
Machine
KEK
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The great thing about Yosh is that the man has been around for longer than anyone in that list, and he has posted extremely good results in the past 7 years. He went head to head with Guilliame and Smuft in WCG Canada 2001 (I think), and went for very exciting games against Doggi (though to be honest he wasn't the best) and his other oponents. His TvT is methodical and safe; probably his best match-up and will probably beat Idra.
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It's interesting that people say that Idra must win this to prove his training has been "worth it." Yet, in Starcaft, even the best players lose regularly -- it's not like Idra is playing a bunch of bumbling retards.
Just for example, a couple posters brought up the fact that he beat Sea. My guess is, Sea is still the superior player. We can apply the same concept here: being the better player does not GUARANTEE a win. They play the matches for a reason, after all.
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On September 03 2008 06:30 DeepGreen wrote:
It's interesting that people say that Idra must win this to prove his training has been "worth it." Yet, in Starcaft, even the best players lose regularly -- it's not like Idra is playing a bunch of bumbling retards.
Just for example, a couple posters brought up the fact that he beat Sea. My guess is, Sea is still the superior player. We can apply the same concept here: being the better player does not GUARANTEE a win. They play the matches for a reason, after all.
Smart man
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8748 Posts
On September 03 2008 03:51 G5 wrote:
This is what I love to see. The predictions are so spread out, its great. There is no clear winner to everybody and that is fantastic.
Agree 100%
There hasn't been a response like this since I started playing WCG and it's completely awesome
Also, I agree with DeepGreen. Truth
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A couple of years ago I heard about a rule WCG had that said no player could represent more than one country at the WCG grand finals, does anyone know if there is any truth to this, if so, Yosh may be disallowed to compete in the finals if he wins as he represented Canada in 2001
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I think that rule might mean in the same WCG year? I mean I know Olympic athletes can switch countries so I don't think it should be a problem.
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On September 03 2008 06:00 Hitokiri wrote:
The great thing about Yosh is that the man has been around for longer than anyone in that list, and he has posted extremely good results in the past 7 years. He went head to head with Guilliame and Smuft in WCG Canada 2001 (I think), and went for very exciting games against Doggi (though to be honest he wasn't the best) and his other oponents. His TvT is methodical and safe; probably his best match-up and will probably beat Idra.
Yosh has not been around longer than me or Artosis, that's for sure. We were newbies together with assem and corbalt back in early 99 I'm pretty sure Future is from ~99 as well. So HAH!
But yeah really, Yosh is fucking good.
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Its nice to see that i actually have people wanting me to win! even though with G5 Nony Idra Yosh i really dont see how i have a shot. As for top 3 i really believe alot of people underestimate G5 tho, like idra said in his interview hes not just making shit up. G5's pvt is excellent if not the best in usa its certainly 2nd and in a tournament of terrans it could definitly be his day. The last time Artosis Nony G5 Idra all met at an offline event G5 won it hands down without a loss, having said that i am 100% sure that idras time in korea IS paying off and i know his skill has improved 10 fold but in bo3's ive seen crazy shit happen especially offline when it counts.
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Machine, I know nony is more skilled then you... but see the cheesy zerg name?....
DUDE FUCKING WIN IT! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?
Zerg Power dude.
Z>P ... remember? .... Fuck P ... and Terran .... you can play 50 korean terrans a day at a higher level then artosis yosh and idra on iccup.
Do it man!
MACHINE HWAITING~!~!~!~!~!~!
KILL IT NIGGA!
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I really hope Idra can win this, but i would be fine if nony or yosh take it
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Yosh for win! I've met him before! He is the coolest guy you'll ever meet  I remember he was so cool with his red shirt too and his girlfriend next to him, omg he unloaded dropships but didn't even click that's how fast he was! And they all exploded the enemies BOOM BOOM BOOM and he placed a refinery in literally 0 seconds, it was impossibly GOOD.
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Idra, sorry but it's unrealistic to pick anyone else.
But if an upset were to happen, clearly yosh or nony.
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[EDIT] Wasn't my intention to be BM with the post, was just making an observation. I can see how it would appear BM though, so I'm just going to remove it [/EDIT]
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Louder no one here is saying im as good as nony, as i have said myself i am bad and i expect to just barely finish ahead of you 4th to last but as far as judgement of skill goes, I play these guys regularly on a day to day basis unlike yourself and trust me Nony sure as hell does not have close to the record G5 has on idra or artosis. That being said im very sure that nony's pvz is much better and pvp "i havent seen them play much but they went fairly even from what i recall" Nony is the robot protoss while G5 tends to be more of a "abusive style" as idra puts it. Not quite sure why you like picking on us so much but no one has said a word about you yet and we would like to have as little controversy as possible a month before usa finals so it can be peacefull, please help us make it that way ><
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Louder, I could care less what you think of me. All I ask is that you don't make this into a flame fest. Please respect that. And Machine, just ignore him please. Let him say his little 3 paragraphs and feel like he exposed us for the bad players we are. Just let it die. It's not worth arguing.
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
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I always found wcg usa a bit weak in terms of players and so on.. really.. but this time im stunned by the amount of very good players..
acutally im dissapointed about germany's wcg in terms of skill.. back in 02,03,04,05 there were so many well known names ( e.g Fisheye,Cope,kalaschni,infinity,breakdown ect.. )
Idra is the fav. but yosh and nonys chances are still decent..
and everyone else has a chance to ( who would have thoud wcg ukraine ends like this e.g. ? )
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Would it be wrong to say USA Seems to be really strong this year in the USA Finals compare to past years?
I mean you look at the people playing for no.1 USA to represent. That list is rather impressive. No Avg gamer is in there..all like B and higher rank people.. I think it was louder got A- before iccup season ended? (Can't remember 100%) If that is true and he is the least favorite..seems a lot of people played it up this year.
It would be nice if Skew Practiced. He was like very good with build order openings, if not the best. I was always fan of Skew's I know he wasn't the best but he was very impressive with the build orders and timing def in his TvP (In my view).
Seriously....hmm I got a feeling Nony will upset idra...and I am Terran player...If i wish put money down probably be on Nony though.
I know idra been playing alot lately but for not being in Korea so has Nony. Nony done better in past couple of tournament with non-koreans than Idra has.
Nony
Yosh//Idra (be very interesting)
Louder <3 For coming back in such a short time Louder you have done amazingly well and keep getting better rapidly.
Well the cool thing is most people be focusing on vsing T...Most other match-ups won't be practice as much that is really the only downside. Because anyone really good Vs T can take the top...but lack in other match-ups...hopefully that won't happen though.
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Louder is an old school player. He isn't a great threat to anyone here imo. I guess we will just see what he does."
lol made me lol =D
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My predictions:
1. Nony
2. Idra
3. Artosis
4. Yosh
I know... Not exactly everyone's pick, just my gut.
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1. MACHINE 2. ARTOSIS 3. YOSH 4. NONY Not in any perticular order. But thats the obvious people 2 win. Machine = best zerg ever. Artosis has drive. Yosh is gosu. And nony could play sc without talking, that says something!
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Nony, Yosh, G5 .. this order
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Sherwin for the win, for him beeing all time sexiest 2v2 team with Hattan beside of Dissy/Nick and now for his big comback <3
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United States12607 Posts
Prediction:
1. NonY
2. IdrA
3. Yosh
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Was just discussing skill levels relative to Nony, guys - not trying to bm either of you. I removed the post.
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I remember beating yosh/hattan in a 2v2 once with my cousin on gorky park, loool O_O! like 4-5 years ago :p
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G5 for the great thread xD
still a long time away though, where will it be held again (don't recall reading it before)
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LA in 1 month! should be fun fun :D!
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sorry for stupid question but do idra gonna play online or he gonna made the trip usa o_O???
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On September 04 2008 09:16 Xeris wrote:
I remember beating yosh/hattan in a 2v2 once with my cousin on gorky park, loool O_O! like 4-5 years ago :p
I remember playing vs Yosh/Hattan with Frenzy (a\Artosis will remember him) from stratforumregs like, way the fuck back in the day. They would just never expand and make phenomenal amounts of units off 1 base. Was so lame!!
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see you next month bryce ^_^!
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On September 04 2008 10:35 Louder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2008 09:16 Xeris wrote:
I remember beating yosh/hattan in a 2v2 once with my cousin on gorky park, loool O_O! like 4-5 years ago :p I remember playing vs Yosh/Hattan with Frenzy (a\Artosis will remember him) from stratforumregs like, way the fuck back in the day. They would just never expand and make phenomenal amounts of units off 1 base. Was so lame!!
I remember playing vs Yosh in a LAN and 4 pooling him.
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I think USA's squad is starting to become on par with any foreign country out there. A USA versus Poland match could be good, if everyone shows up (a long shot, I know)
Good luck to all.
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On September 04 2008 11:43 Superiorwolf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2008 10:35 Louder wrote:On September 04 2008 09:16 Xeris wrote:
I remember beating yosh/hattan in a 2v2 once with my cousin on gorky park, loool O_O! like 4-5 years ago :p I remember playing vs Yosh/Hattan with Frenzy (a\Artosis will remember him) from stratforumregs like, way the fuck back in the day. They would just never expand and make phenomenal amounts of units off 1 base. Was so lame!! I remember playing vs Yosh in a LAN and 4 pooling him.
not a thing to be proud of ^_^
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i don't care who wins but someone better be sure to save all the damn replays
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iNfeRnaL
Germany1908 Posts
Sherwin Mahbod fighting~~~~~~~~~~
gogo yosh!
Hope:
#1 Yosh
#2 Idra
#3 Nony
Sadly IdrA really is the dark horse in this WCG USA.
We know his TvP and TvZ is quite good - but except NonY this will be a "literally tvt only" WCG for the top5 slots.
Means we really will have to wait and see how much Idra's TvT improved.
Yes, G5 said he wins more than he loses vs Artosis nowadays - but honestly - he should actually be able to win over 80% vs any foreigner being a pro, not just "more than he loses".
However, each one of those 3 will do fairly well in Cologne I suppose.
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btw imo its gonna be between yosh and idra with nony getting good chance too
aniway im really looking forward that tourney, lot of good players.
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Are you gonna insult Louder's parenting skills and children when you see him?
I'm hoping for yosh. He's quiet, he's GM (an incredible rarity amongst USA representatives), and he is super good.
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Machine if you win. You'll make my year.
This is the only national wcg of a top country that is heavily terran favored.
BTW ALEX IF YOUR READ THIS;
YOU = IamAterranUser okay?
..... kill these foolz
gg
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On September 04 2008 11:43 Superiorwolf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2008 10:35 Louder wrote:On September 04 2008 09:16 Xeris wrote:
I remember beating yosh/hattan in a 2v2 once with my cousin on gorky park, loool O_O! like 4-5 years ago :p I remember playing vs Yosh/Hattan with Frenzy (a\Artosis will remember him) from stratforumregs like, way the fuck back in the day. They would just never expand and make phenomenal amounts of units off 1 base. Was so lame!! I remember playing vs Yosh in a LAN and 4 pooling him.
I remember playing Smash TV with Yosh & KwarK for six hours straight.
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
On September 04 2008 10:35 Louder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2008 09:16 Xeris wrote:
I remember beating yosh/hattan in a 2v2 once with my cousin on gorky park, loool O_O! like 4-5 years ago :p I remember playing vs Yosh/Hattan with Frenzy (a\Artosis will remember him) from stratforumregs like, way the fuck back in the day. They would just never expand and make phenomenal amounts of units off 1 base. Was so lame!!
they r lucky they never hit me and lloydcarr. maet tebahpla sdrawkcab would have cleaned the floor with that sillyness.
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Netherlands4511 Posts
like you cleaned the floor with rekrul at wcg 2003
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i hear alex might not even show up, that would be gay TT
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I like how you put "quiet/nice" in the Yosh description - it's as if these two adjectives were interchangeable!
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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Idra, Machine, G5
no particular order
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can anyone answer my question plz : do idra gonna play online or he made the trip to the wcg to play in lan?
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what happen with incontrol???:O:O:O
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On September 05 2008 05:23 nZ.INFESTED wrote:
what happen with incontrol???:O:O:O
he went 0-3 to g5, yosh, and dino at wcg pacific iirc :/
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8748 Posts
so BW only gets 1 spot. every game in usa only gets 1 spot except CNC3 and red stone, both of which get 2 spots...
prize structure 3000, 1500, 700
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yes idra is coming to the lan
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On September 05 2008 05:51 NonY[rC] wrote:
so BW only gets 1 spot. every game in usa only gets 1 spot except CNC3 and red stone, both of which get 2 spots...
prize structure 3000, 1500, 700
Don't forget they're throwing us a PARTY. They should skip the part and send more players to Germany.
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i think nyoken is being underrated, he is one of the best tournament players around and he has sick tvt, i feel that he could surprise some of the nony/idra/yosh robots
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I think Yosh has been praised by NOT being a robot and actually thinking and also having pretty amazing mechanics...
COuld be wrong tho
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
CJ_IdrA fighting!
seriously, i wanna see a CJ uniform in the WCG
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Hoping for Yosh, but NonY and IdrA can win it on any given Sunday.
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Will #2 be able to buy a ticket ?? and go participate in Germany ??
Like WCG poland ??
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I'd like to see in Cologne Artosis or Yosh since they are probably the only american players in this tournament I get along with ![[image loading]](http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3817/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif)
The competition will be very tight and I don't think anyone is in the position to list a favourite. I'm especially pretty sure Idra Nony or G5 won't show as much skill as everyone is expecting. Machine could be a surprise of course and he might ending up first as well if he has a super good day. Whatever happens it will be extremely fun to watch since those guys practice together a lot and know each other style very well. Winning USA WCG is always an incredible accomplishment not just because of the high skilled top players, but because these players strongly feel the competition to be the best in their nation and they constantly play to surpass each other.
It's very odd how Poland, USA or Ukraine never send enough players to grant them a solid chance to get a medal in this game. I do really feel sad for the players who don't make it to the finals because I know there is a lot of them who deserve it.
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On September 05 2008 10:35 Mohawk wrote:
Will #2 be able to buy a ticket ?? and go participate in Germany ??
Like WCG poland ??
they might be able to, but usa to germany is a lot more money then poland to germany...
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On September 05 2008 07:25 PaeZ wrote:
I think Yosh has been praised by NOT being a robot and actually thinking and also having pretty amazing mechanics...
COuld be wrong tho
you completely misunderstood my post
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On September 05 2008 11:04 iG.ClouD wrote:I'd like to see in Cologne Artosis or Yosh since they are probably the only american players in this tournament I get along with The competition will be very tight and I don't think anyone is in the position to list a favourite. I'm especially pretty sure Idra Nony or G5 won't show as much skill as everyone is expecting. Machine could be a surprise of course and he might ending up first as well if he has a super good day. Whatever happens it will be extremely fun to watch since those guys practice together a lot and know each other style very well. Winning USA WCG is always an incredible accomplishment not just because of the high skilled top players, but because these players strongly feel the competition to be the best in their nation and they constantly play to surpass each other. It's very odd how Poland, USA or Ukraine never send enough players to grant them a solid chance to get a medal in this game. I do really feel sad for the players who don't make it to the finals because I know there is a lot of them who deserve it.
its funny you say i can be a surprise when i have like never beaten you lol
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That's probably the reason.
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when idra come back from korea?
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On September 03 2008 08:42 Beside_kr wrote:
A couple of years ago I heard about a rule WCG had that said no player could represent more than one country at the WCG grand finals, does anyone know if there is any truth to this, if so, Yosh may be disallowed to compete in the finals if he wins as he represented Canada in 2001
You're a little off. The rule is that a player can't try to qualify for the WCG Grand Final for more than one nation. IE, in Yosh's case where he has dual citizenship, he couldn't play in both the USA and Canadian finals hoping to qualify for the grand final in the same year.
Since Yosh is both a canadian and an american citizen, he CAN compete for either nation on any given year, but he can't try to qualify for the grand final from both.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
But on a more important note:
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~BRYCE~
~MACHINE~
~FIGHTING~
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interesting lil thing to note.. I will be playing in the US finals Skew dropped out and I took his spot on virtue of US open tourney.
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It's so cliche to say it at this point, but idra, nony, yosh
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WOW!!!
Geoff despite everything I am really looking forward to meeting you and the two of us burying the hatchet and being friends. See you there man!
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lol. not predicting a very good finish for the zergs ;(
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On September 05 2008 13:24 Aux1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2008 07:25 PaeZ wrote:
I think Yosh has been praised by NOT being a robot and actually thinking and also having pretty amazing mechanics...
COuld be wrong tho you completely misunderstood my post
Ohh sorry about that... I really Hope either Yosh or IDra win this, but im also rooting for MACHINE!! so Bryce Fighting!
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On September 06 2008 13:57 {88}iNcontroL wrote:interesting lil thing to note.. I will be playing in the US finals Skew dropped out and I took his spot on virtue of US open tourney.
If you don't practice your ass off, expect anthrax in the mail ....
jk
seriously thou if you take out nony,idra,yosh you will cause a major disruption in the force!
GL
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gl inc! hope there's some upsets this year :p
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How come Skew dropped out?
Another Z! cool!!
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No offense to Inc. but i really wanted to see skew play =*(
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allright another zerg~! gogo inc~Fighting!!
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On September 08 2008 23:52 Elsi wrote:
How come Skew dropped out?
prolly Diablo 2
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I hope Idra can win. Would be nice to prove that he actually has improved alot in Korea, and that he can show that in WCG Grand Finals in Germany aswell.
I wish the rest GL. ^^
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skews just broke i guess, his buisness partner left him or something so hes flat broke
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his business partner ? ;p
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nony, machine, yosh, inc fighting!
edit - in that order!!
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On September 09 2008 05:06 Xeris wrote:
his business partner ? ;p
ya his "business" partner
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On September 09 2008 06:16 DamageControL wrote:ya his "business" partner
teehee
skew's gotta pimp!
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On September 06 2008 13:57 {88}iNcontroL wrote:interesting lil thing to note.. I will be playing in the US finals Skew dropped out and I took his spot on virtue of US open tourney.
Inc Fighting! But.. GOGGOOGOGOO NONY!!
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who is going from canada? thats all that matters -_-
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On September 09 2008 06:16 DamageControL wrote:ya his "business" partner
what makes you think skew is the pimp?
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DamageControl has obviously done some "buisness" with him, thats why.
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That probly is skew's "business partner" lol. ASSHOLE JUST LEAVING HIM LIKE THAT! Murk, no one from Canada is going, WCG Canada didnt sponsor a slot for WCG BW this year because they like men, really big men.
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On September 09 2008 08:20 Murk wrote:
who is going from canada? thats all that matters -_-
Lol.
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On September 09 2008 08:20 Murk wrote:
who is going from canada? thats all that matters -_-
That's a pretty legit question, actually. Who is going from Canada? Did they not have WCG this year?
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wtf whys it say unknown now and no nyoken? common one shot terran aka toothpick terran aka your moms working late tonight aka go to the clinic!!!
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On September 09 2008 14:31 SkepTicAL wrote:
That probly is skew's "business partner" lol. ASSHOLE JUST LEAVING HIM LIKE THAT! Murk, no one from Canada is going, WCG Canada didnt sponsor a slot for WCG BW this year because they like men, really big men.
I thought i kinda mentioned it, but apparently not.
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I thought it was known for many months that Canada had no WCG O_O
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Edit: Wow.. I quoted the wrong person. Anyways you get the idea.
Have you been living under a rock for the past 4 months?
Canada sadly didn't get a WCG spot in bw.
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So f-ing ridiculous that Canada doesnt get a BW spot.
What the fuck.
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iNcontroL
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Ty for the nice comments I will try and make myself a threat in this tourney!
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Finding your opponents mysteriously in a dumpster after getting beaten up(and pretending you were in no way involved) is a good way to make yourself a threat during the tourny . Another way is just practicing ^_^
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im just going to tell everyone that im gonna pick them up from airport then leave them O_O gg no re Machine #1 USA EZEZEZPZ
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This is out of the blue, but...
Incontrol replaced Skew? Wasn't Symphony given a promise?
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On September 09 2008 00:59 Machine[USA] wrote:
skews just broke i guess, his buisness partner left him or something so hes flat broke
lol so random you say this on tl, owell. that's not exactly what happened, but my new job is poker and i dont enjoy sc anymore at all. ill be back next year for sc2 hopefully.
in other news, nyoken isnt comen cuzz he's afraid of flying. i lol'd.
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i doubt its cuz he's afraid of flying, cuz he went to L.A. finals in what? 2003? probably because he'd rather play poker, smphony might replace nyoken, if not lzgamer.
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On September 10 2008 10:25 BigBucketz wrote:
This is out of the blue, but...
Incontrol replaced Skew? Wasn't Symphony given a promise?
I think the US Open takes precedence
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On September 10 2008 10:07 Machine[USA] wrote:
im just going to tell everyone that im gonna pick them up from airport then leave them O_O gg no re Machine #1 USA EZEZEZPZ
Machine[NERO]?
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I'll let people stay at my place then poison their food... o_O!
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On September 10 2008 10:33 Skew wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2008 00:59 Machine[USA] wrote:
skews just broke i guess, his buisness partner left him or something so hes flat broke lol so random you say this on tl, owell. that's not exactly what happened, but my new job is poker and i dont enjoy sc anymore at all. ill be back next year for sc2 hopefully. in other news, nyoken isnt comen cuzz he's afraid of flying. i lol'd.
you should know your place when told by a pizza delivery boy that you're flat broke, mate.
I'm just kiddng.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On September 10 2008 10:50 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2008 10:25 BigBucketz wrote:
This is out of the blue, but...
Incontrol replaced Skew? Wasn't Symphony given a promise? I think the US Open takes precedence
Yes a lot takes precedence over a ill conceived promise to a "player(guy who happened to live near a prelim)."
It sucks for symphony that he had his hopes up but he should have never played, never been told it could mean anything and he should be wise enough to know there are more deserving players ahead of him in a line.
It was bad of Paul (if that was who it was) to lead symphony on but it was just that.. a cock tease.
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hmm if nyoken is bout to drop out, would it be even remotely possible fo rme to take it? ofcourse if there is no one else wanting to go.
some1 tryin to help meout?
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wait. i hope the lan isn't on october fourth. i have a football game , our game willb e on ESPN 2. Everyone check it out.
Dematha vs Good counsel
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its oct 3-4-5 .. probably saturday is going to be all day , Sunday is just finals
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never mind. my football game is october 2nd. :DDDDDDDDD
goin from that to LA afterward would be viciouis
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On September 10 2008 10:07 Machine[USA] wrote:
im just going to tell everyone that im gonna pick them up from airport then leave them O_O gg no re Machine #1 USA EZEZEZPZ
lol pro idea!
Good luck to all the players. Good to see that most of the top US player are going to be participating. It should be a competitive tournament and I'm looking forward to seeing how the rest stack up to Idra, Nony, and Yosh.
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hoho! ya, I think Oct 3rd and 4th are all day gaming.
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3rd and 4th are group stage all day, then finals morning of the 5th.
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pizza boys make more money than you would think O_O!!
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kingdom[ra] for last spot :D!
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Would be great to see Yosh in the WCG Grand Finals, just love his play and style. so im saying 1.Yosh 2.NonY 3.IdrA
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On September 12 2008 16:59 Machine[USA] wrote:
pizza boys make more money than you would think O_O!!
True that man, I totally agree.
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On September 12 2008 16:59 Machine[USA] wrote:
pizza boys make more money than you would think O_O!!
So you DID let those old ladies to use you afterall! Bad, naughty Bryce! /slap
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LOL nyoken afraid of flying rofl, I am so giving him so much shit for this
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So i know this is out of subject of what most people are talking about in here but...Will this finals be streamed on the internet? I mean would be really nice this time to see video stream of games. This will be an exciting USA finals compare to last couple of years. So Video Stream or some kind of shoutcasting going to be taking place there?
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There was a livestream last year so I would assume there will be one this time aswell.
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iNcontroL
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at the very least there will be some live reporting of games!
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Well i hate having f5 to read live reporting. I guess it's all good as long as there are replays posted afterwards. If can't watch it video next best thing is replays ;D
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
if we can shoutcast we will! mnm brought the gear last time, I have no idea if she is coming to this final.
replays/live reporting will have to do if nobody steps up!
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someone get Artosis some equipment to cast. He can cast when he isn't gaming.
Which I hope to see Dan the man do well.
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On September 13 2008 01:11 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
at the very least there will be some live reporting of games!
If internet action is limited, I would be more then willing to take phone calls , I'm in nor cal and do writeups. Let me know.
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AttackZerg I would like your phonenumber for phonesex plx
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
if you have heard ret on ventrillo you'd know he is dead serious. He likes em young, male and innocent. Kid will rape you in front of your parents if given the chance.
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So it looks like everyones favorite hacking protoss dino is going to be filling the last usa wcg final slot
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this is gonna be sooo bracket dependant. Eventhough Idra is a heavy favourite to win it all, his TvT isn't so strong and Yosh's TvT is really good. Also, Yosh has been practicing kind of seperated from most of the american players, and could take down Idra.
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On September 16 2008 06:27 likeaboss wrote:
So it looks like everyones favorite hacking protoss dino is going to be filling the last usa wcg final slot
oh really? how did that happen? since when was there a last spot even available?
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he got nyokens
was offered to lzgamer first but hes busy because he lives in hurricane-land
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wtf yo, rofl i sent email to wcg and no response
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dino to fill the last spot for the loss.
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On September 16 2008 06:27 likeaboss wrote:
So it looks like everyones favorite hacking protoss dino is going to be filling the last usa wcg final slot
oh you got to be kidding me
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X-RAY TOSS BACK IN ACTION. Won't matter anyways lol
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For serious I asked for pictures during pacific but no one took any.
If there are no pictures from the USA finals I'm going to blow more than a fuse.
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i rly hope they send lastgosu if they send anyone
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On September 17 2008 22:46 SCC-Faust wrote:
For serious I asked for pictures during pacific but no one took any.
If there are no pictures from the USA finals I'm going to blow more than a fuse.
would you blow me?
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On September 18 2008 15:57 Machine[USA] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2008 22:46 SCC-Faust wrote:
For serious I asked for pictures during pacific but no one took any.
If there are no pictures from the USA finals I'm going to blow more than a fuse. would you blow me?
Why the hell do you even have to ask?
You know I would!
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If you win bryce he will
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rooooofl :D
iloveHieu T_T why must you be so blunt and honest, let me dream a little kk?
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Anyone know what the map pool is going to be?
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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othello andromeda bluestorm and troy.
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I'm having some trouble finding the date for the USA National finals for wcg 2008 and i think it would be easier if i asked here.
Also does anyone remmeber the thread where it has a link to incontrol being interviewed about winning wcg 2008(not a text interview but on a video)and i think in the thread incontrol says something like "i was kinda embarrassed cuz the news reporters burst into my front door and i to talk about being a super video gaming nerd"
i think this could be it but the video isn't showing up for me..maybe it expired or is there another link?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=59477
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Korea (South)11580 Posts
that's from wcg 2007 not 2008.
USA WCG is oct 2-3rd as stated by the thread poster (OP)
meaning it hasn't happened yet, so inc didn't win it (yet) obv.
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2nd is checkin, i think we play the 3rd 4th
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Korea (South)11580 Posts
gotchya so who is going to cast it? tasteless? artosis when not playing?
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Crap, I meant wcg 2007 that was a typo
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I'm gunna bust out my special Machine fighting pam-pams for this one!
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On September 23 2008 08:26 TheSchwA wrote:
I'm gunna bust out my special Machine fighting pam-pams for this one!
lol pam-pams
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On September 03 2008 23:42 Tomcat wrote:My predictions: 1. Nony 2. Idra 3. Artosis 4. Yosh I know... Not exactly everyone's pick, just my gut.
You could seriously come up with a better list, that one is false.
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My predictions:
1. Nony
2. Idra
3. Yosh
Go Nony!!!!
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lol louder is gonna get stomped
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I think Idra will not make it to go to Germany. Ir is really sad, but we will see how he is doing in GOM.
1) Nony
2) Yosh
3) Idra
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I think Nony has the best chance to make it.
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alot of people dont quite seem to understand the idea of going to korea and playing with professionals everyday >< Lets put it this way. Before Idra went to korea him vs nony or yosh or artosis would have been very close, but after playing in korea so long its not like he has been playing c rank newbs @ iccup, hes playing the guys we have dreams about having tea parties with and beating on tv.... well at least ive always wanted to have a tea party with.
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yeah seriously....who do you think he is, rekrul?
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On September 24 2008 09:34 Machine[USA] wrote:
alot of people dont quite seem to understand the idea of going to korea and playing with professionals everyday >< Lets put it this way. Before Idra went to korea him vs nony or yosh or artosis would have been very close, but after playing in korea so long its not like he has been playing c rank newbs @ iccup, hes playing the guys we have dreams about having tea parties with and beating on tv.... well at least ive always wanted to have a tea party with.
It's been a long time since I've had a tea party, anyone care to join? Perhaps we should call
Idra since he knows all the people.
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On September 24 2008 09:34 Machine[USA] wrote:
alot of people dont quite seem to understand the idea of going to korea and playing with professionals everyday >< Lets put it this way. Before Idra went to korea him vs nony or yosh or artosis would have been very close, but after playing in korea so long its not like he has been playing c rank newbs @ iccup, hes playing the guys we have dreams about having tea parties with and beating on tv.... well at least ive always wanted to have a tea party with.
Don't I recall reading something telling us that what you just described as his "pro training" was him just bashing nubs on iccup all day? He also mentioned that NO ONE in the house would play him except for in house tournaments, which were done away with when Daniel Lee left.(incontrol stated this in another thread, maybe the one where it tells us idra goes to CJ?) That is why it was so great he went to CJ... So yeah, he has the same training that NonY and the rest have.. But NonY, in my opinion, is much stronger mechanically, still, than IdrA. Idra doesn't cheese, so its Nony vs Idra in a mechanics war.. I haven't seen Idra reps in a while though. But I do believe Nony has the upper hand in this match up. But who knows, maybe our American hero can prove me otherwise! I hope for some good games!
Edit: Went to edit grammar, but ended up changing my statement.. If it doesn't make sense don't hold it against me, I'm frikin tired :p
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well yes i will admit, while in estro he did not play the actual pros very much but when he did he still was getting more exposure than any of us forginers, including nony. Also he was A- rank on iccup so its not like they were newbies, he was still getting good training but by far what did it was the time period of his practice. Imagine being forced to sit in a room and play as many games as you can for 12 hours a day every day for months..... Thats some serious training. Also, now that he Joined CJ he ONLY is allowed to play CJ members which are very good, and he plays them once again for a full 12 hours a day, and greg even puts in extra practice as well. I personally havent seen him and tyler play lately, tyler is awsome their is no doubting that but he does not have the advantage that greg has as far as practice goes, and i do believe that idra's mechanics are better. Once again im not saying Idra is going to rape usa finals easy, we have some solid players, but he SHOULD win. If you had to put money on anyone it should be the progamer whos been sitting in korea playing thousands of games vs pros.
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On September 24 2008 14:00 Machine[USA] wrote:
well yes i will admit, while in estro he did not play the actual pros very much but when he did he still was getting more exposure than any of us forginers, including nony. Also he was A- rank on iccup so its not like they were newbies, he was still getting good training but by far what did it was the time period of his practice. Imagine being forced to sit in a room and play as many games as you can for 12 hours a day every day for months..... Thats some serious training. Also, now that he Joined CJ he ONLY is allowed to play CJ members which are very good, and he plays them once again for a full 12 hours a day, and greg even puts in extra practice as well. I personally havent seen him and tyler play lately, tyler is awsome their is no doubting that but he does not have the advantage that greg has as far as practice goes, and i do believe that idra's mechanics are better. Once again im not saying Idra is going to rape usa finals easy, we have some solid players, but he SHOULD win. If you had to put money on anyone it should be the progamer whos been sitting in korea playing thousands of games vs pros.
Massgaming does not make you win, natural sense and talent does ^^
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IdrA has adv over NonY given there previous results. Both are the best atm in the tourney though. I love you both <3
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BOLD PREDICTION.
1)Artosis
2)Nony
3)Yosh
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bold and stupid prediction...... idra wins this easy is my new prediction. nony second
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On September 24 2008 14:24 Ilvy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 14:00 Machine[USA] wrote:
well yes i will admit, while in estro he did not play the actual pros very much but when he did he still was getting more exposure than any of us forginers, including nony. Also he was A- rank on iccup so its not like they were newbies, he was still getting good training but by far what did it was the time period of his practice. Imagine being forced to sit in a room and play as many games as you can for 12 hours a day every day for months..... Thats some serious training. Also, now that he Joined CJ he ONLY is allowed to play CJ members which are very good, and he plays them once again for a full 12 hours a day, and greg even puts in extra practice as well. I personally havent seen him and tyler play lately, tyler is awsome their is no doubting that but he does not have the advantage that greg has as far as practice goes, and i do believe that idra's mechanics are better. Once again im not saying Idra is going to rape usa finals easy, we have some solid players, but he SHOULD win. If you had to put money on anyone it should be the progamer whos been sitting in korea playing thousands of games vs pros. Massgaming does not make you win, natural sense and talent does ^^
this is gonna come off as biased since the general perception is that im a mass gamer but
why does almost everyone seem to value 'natural talent' (whatever that is) over hard work? its better to be born lucky than to have work ethic? so you happen to naturally have fast hands or a good mind for strategy games.. where does that get you in life? moreover, what does it show about the quality of your character? nowhere, and nothing. whereas someone capable of applying themselves and working really hard to accomplish a goal will succeed in whatever they choose, and it also shows something about their character, to have will power and self control and whatnot.
(and you're wrong btw, put garimto or whoever you want up against one of the 16 year old pro team practice drones, guess whos gonna win)
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Idra was between the 3/4 best in USA when he left to go Korea, now he should be the best, still not by such an edge that avoids him to lose when facing the others (imho) , I mean, let's say he has 75% possibilities of beating Nony, G5, and Artosis (almost randomly picked "best"), suppose he faces all of them during his way through the tournament, if you multiply 75% x 75% x 75% = about 42%, add the little possibility of losing to some other supposed "lesser" names and it goes below 40%
This means that Idra is probably the best, but all the others definetly have a shot at winning this
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On September 23 2008 07:16 CaucasianAsian wrote:
gotchya so who is going to cast it? tasteless? artosis when not playing?
Diggity and I (moletrap) will be casting it... eSportsTV will have coverage at wcglive.com - afaik live audio/video but I don't know for sure
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On September 24 2008 17:49 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 14:24 Ilvy wrote:On September 24 2008 14:00 Machine[USA] wrote:
well yes i will admit, while in estro he did not play the actual pros very much but when he did he still was getting more exposure than any of us forginers, including nony. Also he was A- rank on iccup so its not like they were newbies, he was still getting good training but by far what did it was the time period of his practice. Imagine being forced to sit in a room and play as many games as you can for 12 hours a day every day for months..... Thats some serious training. Also, now that he Joined CJ he ONLY is allowed to play CJ members which are very good, and he plays them once again for a full 12 hours a day, and greg even puts in extra practice as well. I personally havent seen him and tyler play lately, tyler is awsome their is no doubting that but he does not have the advantage that greg has as far as practice goes, and i do believe that idra's mechanics are better. Once again im not saying Idra is going to rape usa finals easy, we have some solid players, but he SHOULD win. If you had to put money on anyone it should be the progamer whos been sitting in korea playing thousands of games vs pros. Massgaming does not make you win, natural sense and talent does ^^ this is gonna come off as biased since the general perception is that im a mass gamer but why does almost everyone seem to value 'natural talent' (whatever that is) over hard work? its better to be born lucky than to have work ethic? so you happen to naturally have fast hands or a good mind for strategy games.. where does that get you in life? moreover, what does it show about the quality of your character? nowhere, and nothing. whereas someone capable of applying themselves and working really hard to accomplish a goal will succeed in whatever they choose, and it also shows something about their character, to have will power and self control and whatnot. (and you're wrong btw, put garimto or whoever you want up against one of the 16 year old pro team practice drones, guess whos gonna win)
dude idra.
We finally agree on something.
I've always thought it was more courageous and interesting to invest 100% of yourself into something knowing that you didn't start off ahead of the game but rather behind it. Not just in bw, in life. I'm more drawn to the perfectionist workhorse.
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eh i tend to believe that no one starts off that far ahead or behind in the first place, the whole idea of natural talent is kinda silly. beyond people with physical disabilities no ones hands are incapable of going 300 apm, and you can be the best player in the world with less than that. i suppose dumb people have a bit of a disadvantage, but at the state the game is in now you dont have to be a rocket scientist to play.
in a side note, luxury was just traded to KTF.
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On September 24 2008 18:22 IdrA wrote:
eh i tend to believe that no one starts off that far ahead or behind in the first place, the whole idea of natural talent is kinda silly. beyond people with physical disabilities no ones hands are incapable of going 300 apm, and you can be the best player in the world with less than that. i suppose dumb people have a bit of a disadvantage, but at the state the game is in now you dont have to be a rocket scientist to play.
in a side note, luxury was just traded to KTF.
Well the reason I say 'behind' in your case had nothing to do with talent or anything like that it had to do with experience. The people your playing with have been for the most part playing professionally longer then you have, and with better resources ... 5-6 years of starcraft on tv everynight and alot of real life friends who watch the games with you and play with you... helps I'm sure.
You aren't just taking on each oppt you'll meet right now, your taking on flash/jaedong/best ect... who have spent years to get where they are. Daniel lee said it takes what two years to properly nuture a pro gamer ... I know he always says something like that... that is what I ment, not a talent refrence at all  .
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well peeps, we'll see who wins this.
iknow nony will do his best ;d gl nony go for 1st place.
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Sorry to ask such a newb question, but how can I attend the WCG USA finals matches in person? I live in LA and would love to see these games as they happen. Do I need to buy tickets? I looked all through the WCG USA site and didn't see anything. Is it open to the public? Do I have to register for the E For All Expo?
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On September 28 2008 16:41 hanmunjae wrote:
Sorry to ask such a newb question, but how can I attend the WCG USA finals matches in person? I live in LA and would love to see these games as they happen. Do I need to buy tickets? I looked all through the WCG USA site and didn't see anything. Is it open to the public? Do I have to register for the E For All Expo?
I believe you have to buy tickets to the Expo and WCG is one of the "booths" at the Expo.
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Best chance for USA at WCG GRAND FINALS is Idra and Nony. Don't think anyone else can hang with them. I would include Yosh in there but from what I hear he isn't that active.
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who will be the "Unknown" since there is 1 spot left ? :O is it dino?
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Am I the only person voting for IdrA to win WCG USA?
What the hell?
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Because i was hella busy.. due to 2 hurricans back to back hitting where i live >_>
~Wish i could go but even tho i cant.. i will be rooting for some amazazazing games and wishing for some great upsets! which IMO is what makes WCG usa better then any other wcg event
GL to all my friends and practice partners: Control/Artosis/Machine/Idra/G5/Nony! MAY THE MOST LUCKY CHEESING NEWBY WIN!!!
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MAY THE MOST LUCKY CHEESING NEWBY WIN!!!
impossible!
you're not gonna be there
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Whoever goes take lots of pictures from the event, and if possible make some videos!
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On September 29 2008 06:18 SCC-Faust wrote:
Am I the only person voting for IdrA to win WCG USA?
What the hell?
i'm totally with you
there is so few of us :[
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On September 24 2008 18:22 IdrA wrote:
eh i tend to believe that no one starts off that far ahead or behind in the first place, the whole idea of natural talent is kinda silly.
watch slayer documentary gg :>
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On September 24 2008 17:53 UbRi wrote:
blah blah blag.........
This means that Idra is probably the best, but all the others definetly have a shot at winning this
You dont need high school math to come to that conclusion -.-
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So can I buy tickets online or do I have to wait to be in person
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Its scary thinking that Idra (B-team in Korea) is the favorite for WCG USA.
Wtf do they feed these progamers (do they even feed them at all?)
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On September 24 2008 17:49 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2008 14:24 Ilvy wrote:On September 24 2008 14:00 Machine[USA] wrote:
well yes i will admit, while in estro he did not play the actual pros very much but when he did he still was getting more exposure than any of us forginers, including nony. Also he was A- rank on iccup so its not like they were newbies, he was still getting good training but by far what did it was the time period of his practice. Imagine being forced to sit in a room and play as many games as you can for 12 hours a day every day for months..... Thats some serious training. Also, now that he Joined CJ he ONLY is allowed to play CJ members which are very good, and he plays them once again for a full 12 hours a day, and greg even puts in extra practice as well. I personally havent seen him and tyler play lately, tyler is awsome their is no doubting that but he does not have the advantage that greg has as far as practice goes, and i do believe that idra's mechanics are better. Once again im not saying Idra is going to rape usa finals easy, we have some solid players, but he SHOULD win. If you had to put money on anyone it should be the progamer whos been sitting in korea playing thousands of games vs pros. Massgaming does not make you win, natural sense and talent does ^^ this is gonna come off as biased since the general perception is that im a mass gamer but why does almost everyone seem to value 'natural talent' (whatever that is) over hard work? its better to be born lucky than to have work ethic? so you happen to naturally have fast hands or a good mind for strategy games.. where does that get you in life? moreover, what does it show about the quality of your character? nowhere, and nothing. whereas someone capable of applying themselves and working really hard to accomplish a goal will succeed in whatever they choose, and it also shows something about their character, to have will power and self control and whatnot. (and you're wrong btw, put garimto or whoever you want up against one of the 16 year old pro team practice drones, guess whos gonna win)
This might come of as just a tad bit too nerdy but whatever :p
Let's say that we can model "skill" at brood war as
s = 10^(1/at)
where s = skill and t = time spent practicing.
a would then then imo be "talent" namely the speed by which one approaches the maximum possible skill level.
This model is obviously flawed since a is dependent on other factors as well, like practice partners etc + that I belive that "talent" also influences the maximum possible skill level.
However I still think that it gets a point across.
So yea I think "talent" is very important.
As for the point you made, I think it is because people feel that "anyone" can work really hard, (it isn't true of course) Talent however they feel is something to look up to, because that is something they themselves simply haven't got, thus it is easier to admire it in someone else.
Going "woooow I could _never_ do that!" as opposed to "That's cool, it would take me a lot of hours to be able to do that."
That said I have always viewed you as a rather "talented" player, you became really good rather fast, speeding past a lot of people who were playing just as much.
Good luck ~~ I both hope and belive you will win.
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that model doesnt even make sense, as practice time increases skill decreases(according to it). not to mention its totally arbitrary. and practice time is obviously quite a bit more important, especially in modern bw. dont think anyone would argue against boxer being insanely talented (whatever that means, coordination or intelligence or mindset), but how many starleagues has he made since hes been confined to the airforce practice schedule and training partners?
that makes sense, but people also follow the opposite line of reasoning quite often. most newbies are clamoring for sc2 to be a 'pure' strategy game, take physical ability out of the mix as much as possible. mainly because they all believe that, given the proper time, they could outthink anyone... they just cant keep up with the game. seems like the same line of logic would apply to this. its not that theyre innately bad, they just dont have the time to get good at the game.
people want to believe theyre capable of kicking ass given the proper circumstances. the whole obsession with 'talent' kinda seems to go against that.
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Here's my view of talent. There are people who are smarter, i.e they have a greater capacity to learn and process information more quickly than others. There are people who are talented athletically, for whatever reason their bodies are stronger, faster, etc, than others. You can say that these types of people are naturally talented.
I DO NOT believe that there is such a thing as talent for one specific thing or another. For example saying "Boxer is naturally good at BW" or "Kobe Bryant is naturally good at basketball" is just plain wrong IMO. I believe that a "talented" person (see above) can excel at any activity they choose to set their mind on. Boxer could have been great at anything he tried; he got attached to BW and rose to the top. This doesn't mean he is talented at this game, but he is just generally talented.
Being mentally or physically more capable than others is not the only way to become great at something though. The other most important determining factor is one's will. I believe that if someone wants something badly enough they CAN achieve it (unless they have physical or mental impairments like retardation or something that stop them). If you want something and work hard enough to get it, 9 times out of 10, you will at least accomplish your minimum goal. If you DON'T achieve your goal then you have to examine WHY that happens, and I can almost guarnatee every single time you failed at something in life, you either a) didn't work hard enough or b) didn't work the right way.
Anyone can do anything if they train/practice/study/etc the RIGHT way... because there are right ways and wrong ways. If you play 40 games of ICCUP per day, there's only so much you can improve from there if you aren't learning/playing the right way to maximize what you get out of each game. Similarly, if you sit in front of a book for 8 hours you might not be getting everything out of it that you can, etc.
So there ARE people who are "talented" i.e more mentally/physically equipped to be good at whatever it is they are interested in, but any normal person can be great at anything too, it just takes extra dedication, will, and effort.
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On September 29 2008 06:38 IdrA wrote:impossible! you're not gonna be there
Good to see korea hasnt changed you greg =)
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Is there a schedule for the games yet? I'll only be able to go one day, so I want it to be a day with plenty of SC action.
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the 4th will be the longest day of bw if they do the same format as last year, the 2nd group + part of the brackets played on the 2nd day.
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On September 29 2008 09:12 IdrA wrote:
that model doesnt even make sense, as practice time increases skill decreases(according to it). not to mention its totally arbitrary. and practice time is obviously quite a bit more important, especially in modern bw. dont think anyone would argue against boxer being insanely talented (whatever that means, coordination or intelligence or mindset), but how many starleagues has he made since hes been confined to the airforce practice schedule and training partners?
that makes sense, but people also follow the opposite line of reasoning quite often. most newbies are clamoring for sc2 to be a 'pure' strategy game, take physical ability out of the mix as much as possible. mainly because they all believe that, given the proper time, they could outthink anyone... they just cant keep up with the game. seems like the same line of logic would apply to this. its not that theyre innately bad, they just dont have the time to get good at the game.
people want to believe theyre capable of kicking ass given the proper circumstances. the whole obsession with 'talent' kinda seems to go against that.
Lolol posted at 3 am without dubble checking and went to sleep, now I look like an idiot :p oh well.
And I am not sure why everyone cites boxer as the one with most talent, he obviously has developed a sick "feel" for the game after all these years. (His scans are beyond awsome) but again if I am not misstaken, the reason as to why he dominated so hard in the beginning was that he was the first one to practice 12 hours a day nonstop.
There are and have always been a lot of people playing this game for 8+ hours a day, only a few of them actually are any good.
For example, if I am not misstaken Flash started playing like 3-4 years ago, in raw practice time he is probably behind a lot of the other progamers but he is still playing at a higher level than most of them.
I think they are slightly different groups of people . The ones convinced that they could win everything if only the game was easier are bad players, very bad players. Too bad to be able to appriciate talent in top players at all.
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On September 29 2008 10:56 Xeris wrote:
Here's my view of talent. There are people who are smarter, i.e they have a greater capacity to learn and process information more quickly than others. There are people who are talented athletically, for whatever reason their bodies are stronger, faster, etc, than others. You can say that these types of people are naturally talented.
I DO NOT believe that there is such a thing as talent for one specific thing or another. For example saying "Boxer is naturally good at BW" or "Kobe Bryant is naturally good at basketball" is just plain wrong IMO. I believe that a "talented" person (see above) can excel at any activity they choose to set their mind on. Boxer could have been great at anything he tried; he got attached to BW and rose to the top. This doesn't mean he is talented at this game, but he is just generally talented.
so you want to say just because Kobe Bryant is a great basketball player ("athletically talented") he could write poems like Goethe if he chooses to "set his mind on it"?
i don't think that's what you want to say. it would make your whole argument seem rather silly.
of course you are talented in one field or another. just look at people with an "asperger syndrome".. they can take the n-th root of 294820720587250293 just like that but have IMMENSE shortcomings in other areas. on the other hand there are many very very talented poets, writers, artists who are fucking newbs at maths.
so you need to define your understanding of "talent" better. i give you that kobe bryant could probably excel in kinds of sports which are related to basketball, thus, require similar mechanics. but that doesn't mean he would be a natural table tennis star.
to be honest there have been only very few people in history who were really universal geniuses. someone like Leonardo could make that claim but I don't know if he'd have become a celebrated basketball star. rather doubt it.
look at Slayer (not boxer), he was called a "one in a million talent" by a respectable player like Fisheye and he did indeed excel above all others at his time and now in his poker career he is *again* extremely successful (this one is also directed at Idra), praised by his friend Tillerman, and this is because - there goes my guess - poker requires similar skills as starcraft. we don't know what his weaknesses are but he will have some.
to make it shorter:
1. yes, natural talent in certain areas
2. only few universal geniuses (+ physical =/= mental)
3. ability to excel in fields close to "yours"
*edit*
as far as dedication and discipline is concerned: i don't want to dismiss it, not at all. i think idra is right that nowadays refined mechanics are more important than ever and even with all talent you still need to train 12 hours a day to keep up, no question.
but the whole "denial" of talent is a bit silly imho.
(because it makes a difference if jaedong trains 12 hours a day or if mumyung trains 12 hours a day.. results are results)
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On September 29 2008 20:02 KlaCkoN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2008 09:12 IdrA wrote:
that model doesnt even make sense, as practice time increases skill decreases(according to it). not to mention its totally arbitrary. and practice time is obviously quite a bit more important, especially in modern bw. dont think anyone would argue against boxer being insanely talented (whatever that means, coordination or intelligence or mindset), but how many starleagues has he made since hes been confined to the airforce practice schedule and training partners?
that makes sense, but people also follow the opposite line of reasoning quite often. most newbies are clamoring for sc2 to be a 'pure' strategy game, take physical ability out of the mix as much as possible. mainly because they all believe that, given the proper time, they could outthink anyone... they just cant keep up with the game. seems like the same line of logic would apply to this. its not that theyre innately bad, they just dont have the time to get good at the game.
people want to believe theyre capable of kicking ass given the proper circumstances. the whole obsession with 'talent' kinda seems to go against that. Lolol posted at 3 am without dubble checking and went to sleep, now I look like an idiot :p oh well. And I am not sure why everyone cites boxer as the one with most talent, he obviously has developed a sick "feel" for the game after all these years. (His scans are beyond awsome) but again if I am not misstaken, the reason as to why he dominated so hard in the beginning was that he was the first one to practice 12 hours a day nonstop. There are and have always been a lot of people playing this game for 8+ hours a day, only a few of them actually are any good. For example, if I am not misstaken Flash started playing like 3-4 years ago, in raw practice time he is probably behind a lot of the other progamers but he is still playing at a higher level than most of them. I think they are slightly different groups of people . The ones convinced that they could win everything if only the game was easier are bad players, very bad players. Too bad to be able to appriciate talent in top players at all.
its not so much overall practice time as skill levels are kinda asymptotic, its really really easy to improve when you're bad and gets progressively harder as you get better and better. thats why new progamers can catch up to the established ones, their practice is more efficient until they reach that level.
"the reason as to why he dominated so hard in the beginning was that he was the first one to practice 12 hours a day nonstop"
isnt that kind of what you're arguing against? you were saying talent is a big deal, but somehow or another a guy who mass gamed when most others didnt was the only player ever to win 2 starleagues in a row?
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That poor guy is getting owned by IdrA... If I was him, I wouldn't post again....
+ Show Spoiler +But at least if he does post again, this might take him off subject so IdrA can stop dickslapping him.
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This thread needs less civilized discussion of what skill is and more trashtalking. Where is all the drama?
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On September 30 2008 07:55 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2008 20:02 KlaCkoN wrote:On September 29 2008 09:12 IdrA wrote:
that model doesnt even make sense, as practice time increases skill decreases(according to it). not to mention its totally arbitrary. and practice time is obviously quite a bit more important, especially in modern bw. dont think anyone would argue against boxer being insanely talented (whatever that means, coordination or intelligence or mindset), but how many starleagues has he made since hes been confined to the airforce practice schedule and training partners?
that makes sense, but people also follow the opposite line of reasoning quite often. most newbies are clamoring for sc2 to be a 'pure' strategy game, take physical ability out of the mix as much as possible. mainly because they all believe that, given the proper time, they could outthink anyone... they just cant keep up with the game. seems like the same line of logic would apply to this. its not that theyre innately bad, they just dont have the time to get good at the game.
people want to believe theyre capable of kicking ass given the proper circumstances. the whole obsession with 'talent' kinda seems to go against that. Lolol posted at 3 am without dubble checking and went to sleep, now I look like an idiot :p oh well. And I am not sure why everyone cites boxer as the one with most talent, he obviously has developed a sick "feel" for the game after all these years. (His scans are beyond awsome) but again if I am not misstaken, the reason as to why he dominated so hard in the beginning was that he was the first one to practice 12 hours a day nonstop. There are and have always been a lot of people playing this game for 8+ hours a day, only a few of them actually are any good. For example, if I am not misstaken Flash started playing like 3-4 years ago, in raw practice time he is probably behind a lot of the other progamers but he is still playing at a higher level than most of them. I think they are slightly different groups of people . The ones convinced that they could win everything if only the game was easier are bad players, very bad players. Too bad to be able to appriciate talent in top players at all. its not so much overall practice time as skill levels are kinda asymptotic, its really really easy to improve when you're bad and gets progressively harder as you get better and better. thats why new progamers can catch up to the established ones, their practice is more efficient until they reach that level. "the reason as to why he dominated so hard in the beginning was that he was the first one to practice 12 hours a day nonstop" isnt that kind of what you're arguing against? you were saying talent is a big deal, but somehow or another a guy who mass gamed when most others didnt was the only player ever to win 2 starleagues in a row?
Can agree with the first thing I guess, though that is still ignoring the fact that there are a lot of people in the same enviroment, playing just as much that don't even make the qualifiers.
Nah I said that talent is important, obviously practice time is more important (Like in all other areas) talent is more like the thing that puts people who are practicing a lot apart.
Then again if we assume that boxer really is extremly talented, then his domination makes even more sense.
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keep the subject guys, it's the usa finals not "boxer" coming back and dominating.
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I think talent and practice are equally important once you get to top level.
If two players practice 12 hours a day, only the guy with more talent will be stronger than the other, given that they practice under the same conditions.
Thats why some enter the starleagues over and over again, and others don't.
Don't you agree?
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Looking forward to this! My only question is what happens if Idra lose miserably?Do we have to claim that hes not belong to korea progaming?Or to put it this way:He hever gonna make it??
Sry for the bad english but i guess u got my point.
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Or perhaps south korea would open their eyes and realize that foreigners arent THAT bad, even though they dont practice 12 hours a day.
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On September 30 2008 19:50 pokerface wrote:
Looking forward to this! My only question is what happens if Idra lose miserably?Do we have to claim that hes not belong to korea progaming?Or to put it this way:He hever gonna make it??
Sry for the bad english but i guess u got my point.
If he looses it really doesn't fucking matter.
It basically means he lost a tournament. Woopdidoo
No one outside of Greg's coaches and Greg himself can decide if he belongs in Korea. Whether he will "make it" as you so vaguely call it, is yet to be determined I suppose. IMO since he is there right now, he has "made it" in my eyes. But that isn't good enough for little idiot kids like you.
Why you guys put so much pressure on him to win every single little thing. Your being retarded acting like since IdrA went to Korea he should never ever loose to a foreigner and if he does, he is failing in Korea and doesn't belong there. Let me note that when Legionnaire was in Korea, he was still loosing to guys like fucking Anon in various little foreign tourneys & show matches. And Leg was still the shit and took out almost every top tier Korean Terran (boxer xellos etc..) on TV including an all-kill in Proleague.
So I say again, if IdrA looses US Finals, it won't fucking matter because he is still the right person to be there. Do you know how I know that? Cuss hes still fucking there. If he wasn't good enough he wouldn't still be there. If he has an off day and looses US Finals. Who gives a shit. It will suck because I want to see Greg do well in everything he plays in but it's not a failure of epic proportions as you so casually imply.
As for you pokerface. Just for making that post... 
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Idra clearly doesn't play like a stone cold killer. His gomtv games showed that. Also he plays terran. It's very easy to lose vs a less mechanically skilled player. He knows that. Sure, pressure is all on him and he should definitely win. And yeah, he needs to learn how to handle that. But when he doesn't win this that doesn't mean at all he is failing in Korea or something. It he loses because of tactics/cheese/game sense that again confirms his weakness there, which he needs to overcome. If t's because of nerves then it shows he needs to improve there and just win like some players can.
Is there some scedule for the broadcass?
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Thank your very much g5 ^^ I was just wondering ur opinions...I ment no offense to him,and i really really root for him to do well and "make it" in korea.U had the wrong idea.Chill the fuck down
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A lot of people have really high expectations for Idra since he's the only foreigner in Korea right now. The reality is that the average progamer (if one even makes it that far), doesn't win a star league or dominate in team league because they are just that - average.
We can hope that Idra becomes an S-class progamer, but to expect that of him is ridiculous. But people aren't gonna shut up about it unless he does. If he gets televised matches and does decently then that is a lot of success already.
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On September 30 2008 23:20 pokerface wrote:
Thank your very much g5 ^^ I was just wondering ur opinions...I ment no offense to him,and i really really root for him to do well and "make it" in korea.U had the wrong idea.Chill the fuck down
That's odd since, from your previous post, you seem to be ready to abandon all hope in him if he loses WCG USA.
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Thats right!Here is my dilemma:If he not capable of winning wcg usa how can we expect him to be an S class progamer?
Well deep down i know hes not gonna be an s class.One televised game would be enough for me ^^.
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On September 30 2008 23:47 pokerface wrote:
Thats right!Here is my dilemma:If he not capable of winning wcg usa how can we expect him to be an S class progamer?
Well deep down i know hes not gonna be an s class.One televised game would be enough for me ^^.
Cause shit doesn't happen overnight?
And did you even read my post? I said that we shouldn't expect him to be S class.
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I guess we should wait the end of USA wcg and start this discussion over again
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Really tournament just shows how well person might of been prepared or the luck of the brackets sometimes. Best player or whoever considered the best player wins everything, even in korea. Why they have Kespa rankings. Kespa is suppose try determine who best player is at that time or month. Normally of course better skilled player always favored. If they always won no one would watch though .
Idra said he hasn't been able practicing the maps hardly at all (I might be wrong). I bet you 100% all USA gamers going are preparing builds vs him.
Anyone would thinks person going be better or more skilled than them will try to prepare a build vs their style to try gain advantage early game. some people might not go through all that but i know top contenders will be preparing builds vs each other.
Why i think this will be one of the most exciting WCG compare to the other countries. I think this will great.
Good Luck to all the players in it. Anyone find out who unknown person is?
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On September 30 2008 22:24 G5 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2008 19:50 pokerface wrote:
Looking forward to this! My only question is what happens if Idra lose miserably?Do we have to claim that hes not belong to korea progaming?Or to put it this way:He hever gonna make it??
Sry for the bad english but i guess u got my point. If he looses it really doesn't fucking matter. It basically means he lost a tournament. Woopdidoo No one outside of Greg's coaches and Greg himself can decide if he belongs in Korea. Whether he will "make it" as you so vaguely call it, is yet to be determined I suppose. IMO since he is there right now, he has "made it" in my eyes. But that isn't good enough for little idiot kids like you. Why you guys put so much pressure on him to win every single little thing. Your being retarded acting like since IdrA went to Korea he should never ever loose to a foreigner and if he does, he is failing in Korea and doesn't belong there. Let me note that when Legionnaire was in Korea, he was still loosing to guys like fucking Anon in various little foreign tourneys & show matches. And Leg was still the shit and took out almost every top tier Korean Terran (boxer xellos etc..) on TV including an all-kill in Proleague. So I say again, if IdrA looses US Finals, it won't fucking matter because he is still the right person to be there. Do you know how I know that? Cuss hes still fucking there. If he wasn't good enough he wouldn't still be there. If he has an off day and looses US Finals. Who gives a shit. It will suck because I want to see Greg do well in everything he plays in but it's not a failure of epic proportions as you so casually imply. As for you pokerface. Just for making that post...
I don't know why you feel obligated to lower expectations for Idra. Idra himself has been saying repeatedly that he should be the overwhelming favorite and I certainly get the sense that he would be very disappointed in himself if he lost. Whining about haters putting pressure on him is just pathetic. If he handles pressure like you're handling it for him, then he should indeed get out of Korea. Luckily he hasn't been unnecessarily lowering expectations just to avoid disappointing himself and others. He can prove all the haters wrong by winning. It doesn't get much simpler than that.
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On October 01 2008 00:34 radar14 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2008 22:24 G5 wrote:On September 30 2008 19:50 pokerface wrote:
Looking forward to this! My only question is what happens if Idra lose miserably?Do we have to claim that hes not belong to korea progaming?Or to put it this way:He hever gonna make it??
Sry for the bad english but i guess u got my point. If he looses it really doesn't fucking matter. It basically means he lost a tournament. Woopdidoo No one outside of Greg's coaches and Greg himself can decide if he belongs in Korea. Whether he will "make it" as you so vaguely call it, is yet to be determined I suppose. IMO since he is there right now, he has "made it" in my eyes. But that isn't good enough for little idiot kids like you. Why you guys put so much pressure on him to win every single little thing. Your being retarded acting like since IdrA went to Korea he should never ever loose to a foreigner and if he does, he is failing in Korea and doesn't belong there. Let me note that when Legionnaire was in Korea, he was still loosing to guys like fucking Anon in various little foreign tourneys & show matches. And Leg was still the shit and took out almost every top tier Korean Terran (boxer xellos etc..) on TV including an all-kill in Proleague. So I say again, if IdrA looses US Finals, it won't fucking matter because he is still the right person to be there. Do you know how I know that? Cuss hes still fucking there. If he wasn't good enough he wouldn't still be there. If he has an off day and looses US Finals. Who gives a shit. It will suck because I want to see Greg do well in everything he plays in but it's not a failure of epic proportions as you so casually imply. As for you pokerface. Just for making that post... I don't know why you feel obligated to lower expectations for Idra. Idra himself has been saying repeatedly that he should be the overwhelming favorite and I certainly get the sense that he would be very disappointed in himself if he lost. Whining about haters putting pressure on him is just pathetic. If he handles pressure like you're handling it for him, then he should indeed get out of Korea. Luckily he hasn't been unnecessarily lowering expectations just to avoid disappointing himself and others. He can prove all the haters wrong by winning. It doesn't get much simpler than that.
I think G5's point is that the only people that Idra needs to "prove" himself to are his coaches. It doesn't matter what people like you or me think of him.
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On September 30 2008 22:24 G5 wrote:If he looses it really doesn't fucking matter. It basically means he lost a tournament. Woopdidoo No one outside of Greg's coaches and Greg himself can decide if he belongs in Korea. Whether he will "make it" as you so vaguely call it, is yet to be determined I suppose. IMO since he is there right now, he has "made it" in my eyes. But that isn't good enough for little idiot kids like you. Why you guys put so much pressure on him to win every single little thing. Your being retarded acting like since IdrA went to Korea he should never ever loose to a foreigner and if he does, he is failing in Korea and doesn't belong there. Let me note that when Legionnaire was in Korea, he was still loosing to guys like fucking Anon in various little foreign tourneys & show matches. And Leg was still the shit and took out almost every top tier Korean Terran (boxer xellos etc..) on TV including an all-kill in Proleague. So I say again, if IdrA looses US Finals, it won't fucking matter because he is still the right person to be there. Do you know how I know that? Cuss hes still fucking there. If he wasn't good enough he wouldn't still be there. If he has an off day and looses US Finals. Who gives a shit. It will suck because I want to see Greg do well in everything he plays in but it's not a failure of epic proportions as you so casually imply. As for you pokerface. Just for making that post...
G5 I cannot agree that if he just loses the tournament it’s a “whoopdidoo”. He has been training for 12 hours a day in Korea for many months against progamers and has the ideal practice scenarios lately and it would be embarrassing if he lost to someone that has been fortunate to have the same training environment. Now, this does not mean he doesn’t belong in Korea but I do think that if he loses it means he’s not all the way there yet mentally. He mechanically is the best player in the USA and is top seven foreigners and there is no reason realistically that he should lose this but if for some reason he does, he shouldn’t look as all is lost. Sadly since he is a foreigner in Korea, he is representing the world outside of Korea and there is a lot on his shoulders. So he will be expected to win almost every foreigner event he plays in, I don’t think that there would be any less pressure to be on a T.V. game so this is nothing out of the ordinary for what he has in store for his future. He had to know all of this was going to happen before he went over there and he can’t expect to win them all despite of what the community expects. It is not up to us to decide whether he stays in Korea or not so he should just not listen to all the “media” hype and focus on being the best tiger terran he can be.
So in a nutshell would it be a huge disappointment if he doesn’t win WCG USA : Yes
Would it be detrimental to his career in Korea: Not at all
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Drama drama just enjoy the tourny.....please.
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All the other players, be sure to get there early if you want event passes for friends. Gotta grab them before all the FPS homos do ~~
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October 2-5. Only 1 player goes to Germany for the Grand Final.
Thats harsh. On a large country and only 1 representative?
Korea gets 3 representative every year.
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He won't "loose" G5. Even if he doesn't win, he just loses (sry, had to).
I'm rooting for Bryce / Geoff, obviously
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On October 01 2008 00:43 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2008 00:34 radar14 wrote:On September 30 2008 22:24 G5 wrote:On September 30 2008 19:50 pokerface wrote:
Looking forward to this! My only question is what happens if Idra lose miserably?Do we have to claim that hes not belong to korea progaming?Or to put it this way:He hever gonna make it??
Sry for the bad english but i guess u got my point. If he looses it really doesn't fucking matter. It basically means he lost a tournament. Woopdidoo No one outside of Greg's coaches and Greg himself can decide if he belongs in Korea. Whether he will "make it" as you so vaguely call it, is yet to be determined I suppose. IMO since he is there right now, he has "made it" in my eyes. But that isn't good enough for little idiot kids like you. Why you guys put so much pressure on him to win every single little thing. Your being retarded acting like since IdrA went to Korea he should never ever loose to a foreigner and if he does, he is failing in Korea and doesn't belong there. Let me note that when Legionnaire was in Korea, he was still loosing to guys like fucking Anon in various little foreign tourneys & show matches. And Leg was still the shit and took out almost every top tier Korean Terran (boxer xellos etc..) on TV including an all-kill in Proleague. So I say again, if IdrA looses US Finals, it won't fucking matter because he is still the right person to be there. Do you know how I know that? Cuss hes still fucking there. If he wasn't good enough he wouldn't still be there. If he has an off day and looses US Finals. Who gives a shit. It will suck because I want to see Greg do well in everything he plays in but it's not a failure of epic proportions as you so casually imply. As for you pokerface. Just for making that post... I don't know why you feel obligated to lower expectations for Idra. Idra himself has been saying repeatedly that he should be the overwhelming favorite and I certainly get the sense that he would be very disappointed in himself if he lost. Whining about haters putting pressure on him is just pathetic. If he handles pressure like you're handling it for him, then he should indeed get out of Korea. Luckily he hasn't been unnecessarily lowering expectations just to avoid disappointing himself and others. He can prove all the haters wrong by winning. It doesn't get much simpler than that. I think G5's point is that the only people that Idra needs to "prove" himself to are his coaches. It doesn't matter what people like you or me think of him.
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On October 01 2008 02:11 anch wrote:Thats harsh. On a large country and only 1 representative? Korea gets 3 representative every year.
It's all about sponsoring the tickets, every country can send three players should they want to.
In Korea they (obviously) have no trouble finding sponsors for three players, winning every year doesn't hurt either.
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i really do hope by some miracle we get to send 3 players instead of 1. We really have potential this year and without a doubt have 3 very capable sc players.
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On October 01 2008 09:52 Machine[USA] wrote:
i really do hope by some miracle we get to send 3 players instead of 1. We really have potential this year and without a doubt have 3 very capable sc players.
I really hope so too but under what circumstances could new sponsers suddenly pop up to send two more players?
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On October 01 2008 09:54 ahole-surprise wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2008 09:52 Machine[USA] wrote:
i really do hope by some miracle we get to send 3 players instead of 1. We really have potential this year and without a doubt have 3 very capable sc players. I really hope so too but under what circumstances could new sponsers suddenly pop up to send two more players?
Have faith, you non-believer. Another sponser would be orgasmic...
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I think by this point it's too late, all the spots have to be locked in before the WCG group drawing which is tomorrow night
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it looks like two of the commentators from sc2gg.com are commentating.
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maybe blizzard should sponsor usa finalists
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On October 01 2008 11:04 G0dly wrote:
it looks like two of the commentators from sc2gg.com are commentating.
ugh... >.<;
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nony should join mym just to get a paid ticket lol
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last year skew tried to pay his way with the third spot and they wouldnt allow it (who knows why)
so even if someone with a team willing to pay got top 3 its not a guarantee.
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On September 02 2008 15:46 OneOther wrote:
Yosh, Idra, Nony in that order
This is a bold prediction, I will go reverse order on that, Nony, Idra, then Yosh. Most will pick IdrA to win I think, but I just believe in Nonys tom foolery ;P He has always struck me as the most pro like of all the foreigners, with his insane builds, mechanics, and just really impressive the way he analyzes things. :O should be a good final though.
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Soon we will see who wins
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