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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
- spades banned from yankee (this happened) - matches reversed (wouldn't change the end result) - if smi got caught again, they'd be removed from yankee (hasn't happened yet) also I'm not considering them as having earned 2nd place in Season 1 (asterisk) ... so uh, I don't really think your point of "the clan went unpunished" holds any weight. i didn't feel it was necessary to publicly warn them specifically because Spades' banning was already very public. | ||
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Fear_Chaos
United States101 Posts
I'm 100% against hackers too, but I think one game with a few suspicious moves, in what is said to be a virtually hack-free environment (ICCup with AH on), is far from proof of someone hacking. However, look at your post announcing this incident: You've stated that you made your decision based on this game alone, and not Se7en's previous (false) hack accusation, but you write... The most important thing in this case is that just several months ago, Se7en(OD) was caught hacking, and it was confirmed through teamliquid.net, and even OD leadership admitted this and said he would be removed from the team (CHECK HERE). and Although there are only two replays of Se7en(OD) playing in Yankee League, one highly suspicious game is all the proof needed, based on this player's prior history of hacking less than 6 months ago, to conclude that there was hacking going on in this game. Seems contradictory to your post stating that it had nothing to do with your accusation. Also, your reasons for deeming him suspicious: There are a lot of suspicious movements, of Se7en's army mirroring the movements of Zerg's army, the most telling moment is when Zerg is attempting to drop the 2nd main of Se7en, and without any vision, scouting, or prior notice of a drop at that specific location, moves his entire army directly to where Zerg's overlords are. That "most telling moment" turned out to be nothing, as Se7en has vision of the drop before he reacted to it. You've not even addressed this, despite it being pointed out several times. So, the two things that you said were the most damning in determining that Se7en is a hacker have turned out to be no proof at all. There are also several other "suspicious moves" of Se7en that are not actually suspicious (such as the DT not actually going straight to one prevoiusly unscouted expansion and leaving). You cannot truthfully say that your case now is nearly as strong as the one you've presented in your first post about this issue. It is of course your decision alone to make, as we all know, but if you are worried about the integrity of your league, know that jumping the gun on banning/punishing people in your league is just as damaging as being too lax. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On July 10 2008 03:57 Xeris wrote: well the punishment would have been; - spades banned from yankee (this happened) - matches reversed (wouldn't change the end result) - if smi got caught again, they'd be removed from yankee (hasn't happened yet) also I'm not considering them as having earned 2nd place in Season 1 (asterisk) ... so uh, I don't really think your point of "the clan went unpunished" holds any weight. i didn't feel it was necessary to publicly warn them specifically because Spades' banning was already very public. You don't see the point in addressing a hacking situation in your own league just because it happened in the grand final...? Seriously? Alright, it is at this time that I recognize what mentality I am dealing with! And back away slowly. | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On July 10 2008 04:17 {88}iNcontroL wrote: You don't see the point in addressing a hacking situation in your own league just because it happened in the grand final...? Seriously? Alright, it is at this time that I recognize what mentality I am dealing with! And back away slowly. ...or because everyone already knew that Spades hacked in YL. Spades was banned, we were warned, and matches would have been reversed. so... | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On July 10 2008 04:17 {88}iNcontroL wrote: You don't see the point in addressing a hacking situation in your own league just because it happened in the grand final...? Seriously? Alright, it is at this time that I recognize what mentality I am dealing with! And back away slowly. I did address it. I felt no point in publicly bringing up a belabored point since he had been publicly banned everywhere (including Yankee) and sMi was warned. Again, I didn't do it publicly because the season was already finished, and it was already public. If you don't care to read my posts then there's nothing I can do to help you. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On July 10 2008 04:05 Fear_Chaos wrote: + Show Spoiler + The main deal I have is it seems that none of the stuff you bring up now leads to say he's definitely a hacker. I'm 100% against hackers too, but I think one game with a few suspicious moves, in what is said to be a virtually hack-free environment (ICCup with AH on), is far from proof of someone hacking. However, look at your post announcing this incident: You've stated that you made your decision based on this game alone, and not Se7en's previous (false) hack accusation, but you write... The most important thing in this case is that just several months ago, Se7en(OD) was caught hacking, and it was confirmed through teamliquid.net, and even OD leadership admitted this and said he would be removed from the team (CHECK HERE). and Although there are only two replays of Se7en(OD) playing in Yankee League, one highly suspicious game is all the proof needed, based on this player's prior history of hacking less than 6 months ago, to conclude that there was hacking going on in this game. Seems contradictory to your post stating that it had nothing to do with your accusation. Also, your reasons for deeming him suspicious: There are a lot of suspicious movements, of Se7en's army mirroring the movements of Zerg's army, the most telling moment is when Zerg is attempting to drop the 2nd main of Se7en, and without any vision, scouting, or prior notice of a drop at that specific location, moves his entire army directly to where Zerg's overlords are. That "most telling moment" turned out to be nothing, as Se7en has vision of the drop before he reacted to it. You've not even addressed this, despite it being pointed out several times. So, the two things that you said were the most damning in determining that Se7en is a hacker have turned out to be no proof at all. There are also several other "suspicious moves" of Se7en that are not actually suspicious (such as the DT not actually going straight to one prevoiusly unscouted expansion and leaving). You cannot truthfully say that your case now is nearly as strong as the one you've presented in your first post about this issue. It is of course your decision alone to make, as we all know, but if you are worried about the integrity of your league, know that jumping the gun on banning/punishing people in your league is just as damaging as being too lax. all this discussion has been me explaining why I came to my decision. 3 pages worth. I already explained everything to you last night, I don't know why you are still referring to my original post. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
They will play the winner of LighT vs sMi , which will be played tomorrow. check http://www.bwusa.org for more details! | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
The broadcast will begin in 30 minutes. | ||
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On July 25 2008 09:31 Xeris wrote: You can catch LighT vs sMi at : http://scf.listen2myradio.com The broadcast will begin in 30 minutes. wait whos casting | ||
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4337 Posts
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G5
United States2907 Posts
On July 10 2008 03:47 {88}iNcontroL wrote: Ok, I will point out that regardless of timeframe the clan went unpunished (not even publicly warned). Regardless of when Spades was caught hacking, he was a prominant player while hacking in your season and you just ignored it and hoped that it wouldn't matter. You should have maintained the policy that hacking in your league is a punishable offense WIN OR LOSE. Your A/B point has NOTHING to do with him hacking against us and in your league. Hey Geoff... California just legalized gay marriage... Just thought I would throw that out there for when were together for regionals... ....I know a chapel which is close to the lan center..... so yeah.... you have my number.... let me know... | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
LighT [3-2] sMi 1v1 #1 Sadist[LighT] (T) (Python) sMi.dAemon (P) [1-0] 1v1 #2 SchiSm[LighT] (T) (Peaks) sMi.lols (Z) [2-0] 2v2: gOmi[LighT] + Louder[LighT] (PZ) (Hannibal) sMi.Froze + sMi.Fonger (??) [2-1] 1v1 #3: Loude[LighT] (P) (Zodiac) sMi.Fonger (T) [2-2] Ace: SchiSm[LighT] (Othello) sMi.Frozen [3-2] much closer than I suspected, sMi put up a really good fight O_O! | ||
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RoC)Ninjah
United States238 Posts
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Psyonic_Reaver
United States4337 Posts
Look for the most recent sMi. vs LighT matches. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On July 25 2008 12:49 Xeris wrote: we won against sMi 3-2 today. LighT [3-2] sMi 1v1 #1 Sadist[LighT] (T) (Python) sMi.dAemon (P) [1-0] 1v1 #2 SchiSm[LighT] (T) (Peaks) sMi.lols (Z) [2-0] 2v2: gOmi[LighT] + Louder[LighT] (PZ) (Hannibal) sMi.Froze + sMi.Fonger (??) [2-1] 1v1 #3: Loude[LighT] (P) (Zodiac) sMi.Fonger (T) [2-2] Ace: SchiSm[LighT] (Othello) sMi.Frozen [3-2] much closer than I suspected, sMi put up a really good fight O_O! Frozen gone Froze! gg light | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
OD vs LighT 1v1 #1 (Andromeda): NewbCrack (T) vs SchiSm (T) 1v1 #2 (Python): FitCH (Z) vs Future (P) 2v2 #1 (Hannibal): NewbCrack/Rise (TZ) vs GoMi/Moo (PZ) 1v1 #3 (Wuthering): Ivy77 (P) vs Sadist (T) 2v2 #2 (Vampire): FitCH/Ivy77 (PZ) vs Tear/Sun (TZ) 1v1 #4 (Othello): Rise (Z) vs Jumper (P) Time and Place Wednesday August 6th @ 9pm EST - op Yankee-1 on ICCUP Admin/Caster Quesadilla will be the main admin, Diggity will be the main shoutcaster Goodluck Have fun both teams!! | ||
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