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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On July 09 2008 12:41 {88}iNcontroL wrote: yet smi. gets nothing for fielding almost an entirely hacker based lineup against media  1) spades and all that was caught hacking AFTER Yankee League finished. 2) Media won the clanwar anyways this is entirely different. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
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SickTighT
United States337 Posts
please...any 'hack specialists' out there...watch the replay posted in that first thread (linked in xeris post) and notice that at the time specified Se7en CANCELS and overlord upgrade...and doesn't hack (see Fear's post) i watched the replay and think that it's incredible that anyone thinks that he's hacking perhaps someone more mature should run YL (and the TL anti-hack staff for that matter)...rather than someone who's willing to jump at any hack accusation and if you think that perhaps the OverDoseD leadership is biased in one way or anyone you would be sorely mistaken...we have a strict no double clanning rule (ex: if member A(OD) was invited to join Excello., mYm w/e he would not be permitted to play under the our tag, like NonY playing for Media even though he joined Excello) we also have an aversion to hacks on ANY level (proven hackers have been exiled from the clan and in Se7en's case forgiven when the fault in 'hack accusation' was found) if CLEAR evidence can be bought forth against Se7en or ANY other OverDoseD member it should be brought to the direct attention of the OverDoseD leadership rather than the community first, as we can handle our problems and of course forfeit games in any league that a PROVEN hacker has played in, an example of this is Naya(OD), who was caught hacking and played for us in several WGT CW's which we ended up forfeiting due to him hacking In the future it would be more respectable if the staff of YL as well as any anit-hack crew they may have gathered, be it TL.net oriented or not, alert the ones in charge of X-clan/team about a possible hack instead of bad-mouthing them on a public forum | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
The most important thing in this case is that just several months ago, Se7en(OD) was caught hacking, and it was confirmed through teamliquid.net, and even OD leadership admitted this and said he would be removed from the team (CHECK HERE). If you appear to not take hacking seriously, people will think you do not take hacking seriously. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
On July 09 2008 13:38 Louder wrote: If you don't understand why you weren't given some sort of advance notice of this post, reread the post. If you appear to not take hacking seriously, people will think you do not take hacking seriously. Take your own advice and read his post, and Fear_chaos's post. | ||
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Fr33t
United States1128 Posts
On July 09 2008 13:38 Louder wrote: If you don't understand why you weren't given some sort of advance notice of this post, reread the post. If you appear to not take hacking seriously, people will think you do not take hacking seriously. You need to read over the topic, it was proven that Seven was NOT hacking several months ago and thus was permitted to rejoin the roster. If you read the post just above yours as well you would have seen that they do take hacking seriously and have forfeited matches before once they discovered one of their players cheated. Stop hating on OD, lol | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
2) If I was like a random east gamer, I would have included something like "ROFLSUPBANNED NUB HACKER FACE STOMP EZ" in my post. 3) Everyone who is not in OD apparently that has seen the replay thinks he's hacking. 4) I'm not very sympathetic towards hackers. Someone who has been accused and/or caught before does not have my respect in this game, and any sort of suspicious actions by that player will result in me taking action. I don't want the integrity of Yankee League compromised by being too trust worthy with regards to any banned hacker. As I said in a previous post: I have no reason to be biased, I'm not in Media or PewPew, LighT's position in Yankee League is not being compromised, we're going to be in the playoffs regardless, Media is withdrawing from Yankee due to lack of lineups, PewPew's position isn't threatened and I wasn't pressured by anyone. My only desire is to make sure the games are played cleanly, and I strongly believe that Se7en was hacking, and due to his past, I'm inclined to believe that is so, and I took action. You can come out on the forum and make a big elaborate post about how you don't tolerate cheaters, and all that. I know a similar team that had the same attitude, remember Keepers? That team was full of hackers, and SyXx acted just the same way as you publicly. Big bold statements on a forum don't mean your members aren't being dishonest behind your back. It's quite possible. Regardless of what you think, I stand by my judgment. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11552 Posts
I mean ultimately it is your choice, but still.. =/ | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
RandomGuy(OD) : "Se7en(OD) was accused of hacking, and confirmed through replay analysis... but we proved he didnt do it" oh ok!! that clears up all the misconceptions because you told me he actually never hacked. the fact that a player even comes under suspicion is suspicious enough. you don't see anyone accusing InControl, Machine, IefNaij, or even me of hacking... just because you tell me he was disproven won't clear the doubt in my mind, especially since you are biased towards OD. that's like me saying "God exists because I saw him once" and expecting people to blindly believe it. | ||
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Fear_Chaos
United States101 Posts
Note that I'm not necessarily defending Se7en in this incident; there are more people that are much more qualified in making the decision of whether he was 100% hacking or not in his matches vs PewPew than myself. Like you, I have no tolerance for hackers as well; However, it seems like you're basing this decision off of incorrect information of him "hacking" several months ago. | ||
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Fear_Chaos
United States101 Posts
Basically, you don't believe that he was actually disproven to be hacker 6 months ago. However, all you have to do is watch the replay at the time stated in the accuser's blog and see that he did in fact not hack. Again please note I'm not saying he didn't hack in this incident, if the general consensus based off that one replay is that he's 100% a hacker, then so be it. What I don't want his him to be accused as a hacker based off a faulty accusation 6 months ago. Basically, my concern about the situation can be dumbed down to this: Saying "This guy was proven hacking months ago, look at this suspicious replay" will almost always create a response of "Yeah, he's hacking for sure", while "Look at this suspicious replay, does this guy hack?" may create a different response. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
I didn't know about his past when I first looked at the replay, when the PewPew guys first complained about the game they didn't know his past either, when the people I showed the game to saw it, they didn't know his past. Everyone that saw the replay thought it was suspicious BEFORE they knew about his past. You are misunderstanding the point I'm making. I'm not saying : he hacked before ==> he must be a hacker now too because of the suspicious replay. What I AM saying is that: here we have a VERY suspicious replay (in my opinion as a 3rd party person), and other people have agreed with me, who are not members of PewPew. The replay alone is suspicious enough for me to take action, so I did. That's what I'm saying. The ONLY thing that the past accusation does (whether it is true or false) is put his character into question. I would have taken action even if that other accusation had never taken place. | ||
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Fear_Chaos
United States101 Posts
If a previous false accusation did not influence your decision, that's fine by me (well, as fine as a shitty situation like this can be). Sorry this happened. | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On July 09 2008 12:41 {88}iNcontroL wrote: yet smi. gets nothing for fielding almost an entirely hacker based lineup against media Entire lineup? You mean Spades? | ||
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SickTighT
United States337 Posts
if there is anyone else that would like to analyze the replay, they may contact me at sHiFt_240(OD)@useast and i will gladly show the replay in question | ||
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Xeris
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Ilovewaffles
9 Posts
On July 09 2008 12:56 FragKrag wrote: Addressing the whole Se7en(OD) subject: Several months ago, one of our most trusted clan members disproved it. He was banned, he was exiled, and the member analyzed the replay. It was a canceled upgrade. Now on the overlord drop. What mirroring movement? You see Se7en moving towards the middle to gain map control at around 20:50ish, not mirroring the movement of the overlords. The cannon had clear sight of 4 overlords that were unloading. 4 fucking overlords, and after he sees ultra/ling unloaded, he reacts. That is definitely hacking amirite. Then at around 23:00 minutes, you see Se7en preparing to attack the Zerg main. Tell me 7 o'clock main would not be easier to attack? Nope, he decides to lose most of his army. I see this as bias against OD just because OD gained victories over Media and now, pewpew. Maybe the bold part was completely disregarded in a combined effort of righteous zeal... | ||
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Belly
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Fear_Chaos
United States101 Posts
Please don't just post "you're biased because you're in OD" or whatever; I just want to know the details of why a player in my clan is being accused of hacking, since saying he "mirrored the movements of the Zerg army" is vague, and, as was discussed before, he had vision of the drop with cannons before moving his army towards the drop. | ||
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