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UbRi
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Italy603 Posts
January 19 2008 13:04 GMT
#1481
LOL! Believe me or not I predicted every single match in the right way, and I voted for CJ !! AHAHAH
Storchen
Profile Joined September 2006
Sweden4385 Posts
January 19 2008 13:06 GMT
#1482
OMG! How did this happen? Just woke up to see this.. I'm amazed.
pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 13:33:46
January 19 2008 13:12 GMT
#1483
Maps for Finals:

CJ Entus vs Lecaf Oz

      1: <Python>

      2: <Baekmagoji>

      3: <Seongangil>

      4: <Monty Hall SE>

      5: <Un'Goro Crater>

      6: <Hwangsanbul>

      7: <Blue Storm>


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Moderatorpachi fanclub http://goto.tl/6DI9 。◕‿◕。
pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
January 19 2008 13:13 GMT
#1484
On January 19 2008 21:59 IntoTheWow wrote:
(06:56:36) (intrigue2) they are editing their choice
(06:56:40) (intrigue2) please be savior

(06:57:59) (Hot_Bid) well i guess i should be happy i picked MBC in liquibet
(06:58:02) (Hot_Bid) GG darkelf
(06:58:04) (Hot_Bid) haha

(06:58:31) (intrigue2) god i can't believe
(06:58:34) (intrigue2) the twists of fate

(06:59:37) (intrigue2) look at mbc
(06:59:39) (intrigue2) they're happy
(06:59:42) (intrigue2) it's sea vs darkelf
(06:59:46) (intrigue2) fuck

(06:59:54) (intrigue2) little do they know i now support
(06:59:56) (intrigue2) darkelf

(07:00:09) (Hot_Bid) darkelf is 1-6 in last 7 tvts
(07:00:10) (Hot_Bid) hahaha
(07:00:18) (intrigue2) IRRELEVANT

11 minutes later:

(07:13:18) (INtRiGuE) GOM GOMG OMGOM GOMGOM GOMG OMOMGGOMOMGMOG

(07:11:57) (INtRiGuE) how did that scv get in
(07:11:59) (INtRiGuE) fuCK
(07:12:02) (INtRiGuE) FATAL MISTAKE
(07:12:03) (INtRiGuE) OR
(07:12:06) (INtRiGuE) CALCULATED STRATEGY

(07:13:12) (INtRiGuE) OMG OMG OMGOM GOMGO GMOGOMMOGOMOMGOMG
(07:13:20) (Hot_Bid) HAHAHAHAHAHA wtf why did i not bet CJ
(07:14:05) (+BoxeR_Locked) DARKELF BEST PLAYER INT HE WORLD
(07:14:42) (+BoxeR_Locked) DARKELF #1 P[WOER RANKINGS
(07:14:52) (CJ_dsh) DARKELF FOR PRESIDENT
(07:14:56) (+BoxeR_Locked) PRESIDENT OF HTE WORLD
(07:16:03) (INtRiGuE) LONGTIME FAN

Fix the power ranks please.


Fix the election please.
Moderatorpachi fanclub http://goto.tl/6DI9 。◕‿◕。
Aepplet
Profile Joined December 2003
Sweden2908 Posts
January 19 2008 13:27 GMT
#1485
On January 19 2008 22:12 pachi wrote:
Maps for Finals:

CJ Entus vs Lecaf Oz

1 <Python>

2 <Baekmagoji>

3 <Seongangil>

4 <Monty Hall SE>

5 <Un'Goro Crater>

6 <Hwangsanbul>

7 <Blue Storm>

Good thing they dropped Katrina and added Crater.
Pads
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
England3228 Posts
January 19 2008 13:39 GMT
#1486
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES + Show Spoiler +
CJJJJJJJJJJ
#1 Kwanro[saM] fan!
mrdx
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Vietnam1555 Posts
January 19 2008 13:46 GMT
#1487
On January 19 2008 18:57 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 18:38 QibingZero wrote:
On January 19 2008 18:24 Saracen wrote:
On January 19 2008 18:22 The Storyteller wrote:
On January 19 2008 18:17 Aillusion wrote:
On January 19 2008 18:16 The Storyteller wrote:
Wait... why is this because Sea choked? I know he scouted the starport, but surely he would have expected some wraith harrass into expo for Darkelf, right? Who the hell does a tank/marine/wraith all in in an ace match? It doesn't sound like he played badly at all.


its not just the starport sea scouted, Before DE pushed, Sea even scounted DE's rax in middle pumping rines, and he didnt do anythin, choke?


It was a completely unorthodox build. That's not choking, that's natural.

On a different note... I wonder about three things:

1. Why DE scouted cross position first
2. Why DE let the SCV into his base (was it deliberate or did he just not care anymore by that point?)
3. Did DE change his mind about wrath harrass or did he have this planned from the start?

Watching the replay, his troop positioning for the all in was beautiful.

DE let scv in to scout port so sea would build armory and delay siege? o.O



That would solve nearly every question we have about this game, actually. It did seem like he let the SCV in.

So DE lets the scout into his base so Sea worries more about the wraiths than anything. Meanwhile, he's actually going fast siege and not an abundance of wraiths, or cloak or anything. Sea commits to a battle he thought he could win, but once he realizes DE has siege, it's already too late?

People aren't going to want to believe he intentionally let the scout in though (and he may not have, of course), if only because he's not considered a top tier player. If boxer happened to do it, we'd see it on PP2008 without a doubt. =P

But still, a timing push like that, with siege, and in an extremely important all-or-nothing game? I'm even more surprised now after analyzing all this.

Under no circumstance would it make sense to let your opponent scout you going 1 fact 1 port. NONE. Stop posting this crap Sea knew that darkelf was going fast siege with 1 port harass because its an excellent counter to fast expand. 1 fact into 2 port is total shit vs cc first builds.

Sea knew that DE had siege before he commited to the attack. He just didnt anticipate DE's excellent targeting with tanks + wriaths while repairing the tank that sea was targeting immediately with 3 scvs.

If boxer let the scv in we'd say, "Wtf boxer way to not stop an scv you should've stopped" because this is the only logical reaction. DE did not let the scv in on purpose because it MAKES NO SENSE TO DO SO. He may not have particularly cared about stopping it however, but thats a different story.

How long have you been following progaming? In the last 3 years, have you ever seen any Terran making that mistake with 4 freaking rines at his ramp, so early in game and so important in an ace match (and most importantly when it matters most that your build is not discovered so soon)?

It looks pretty obvious to me that DarkElf intentionally let Sea's SCV in. - To fool Sea to build an armory, or even to confuse Sea that he was just letting him in on purpose.. you can't just simply tell how the mental battle between the progamers went until they specifically say it,
Wait for the interview, I think DE will say he did it intentionally.

I totally agree with QibingZero - if it's Boxer everyone will know that it's his intention for sure
BoxerForever.com - the one and only international Boxer fansite since 2006 :)
mousey.rr
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States103 Posts
January 19 2008 14:50 GMT
#1488
heheh i bet cj before seeing the lineups then I saw them and im like fuck....glad they pulled through though
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
January 19 2008 15:03 GMT
#1489
Sea liquiscrewed me by being a choker again.
日本語が分かりますか
eborp
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States266 Posts
January 19 2008 15:10 GMT
#1490
w00t
i got every pick right xD

neways gogogo cj!
UMCP CSL NEEDS YOU!
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 19 2008 15:35 GMT
#1491
w00t this bumped me up to 4th place on liquibet... my quest for the first ever dual trophy is well on course!
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
January 19 2008 15:40 GMT
#1492
On January 19 2008 17:46 joeki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 17:45 CDRdude wrote:
Am I the only one that thinks that much has a good chance of being CJ ace?


MBC doesn't really have a great protoss killer. I think best choice would be Bisu, but because of the randomness of PvP i don't think Bisu in top shape has more than 55/45 vs much. Much is the perfect choice imo.


uhh cannibal toss pusan, pusan has crazy high win % v other toss
OMG you nasty gurl
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
January 19 2008 15:44 GMT
#1493
On January 19 2008 22:46 mrdx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2008 18:57 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On January 19 2008 18:38 QibingZero wrote:
On January 19 2008 18:24 Saracen wrote:
On January 19 2008 18:22 The Storyteller wrote:
On January 19 2008 18:17 Aillusion wrote:
On January 19 2008 18:16 The Storyteller wrote:
Wait... why is this because Sea choked? I know he scouted the starport, but surely he would have expected some wraith harrass into expo for Darkelf, right? Who the hell does a tank/marine/wraith all in in an ace match? It doesn't sound like he played badly at all.


its not just the starport sea scouted, Before DE pushed, Sea even scounted DE's rax in middle pumping rines, and he didnt do anythin, choke?


It was a completely unorthodox build. That's not choking, that's natural.

On a different note... I wonder about three things:

1. Why DE scouted cross position first
2. Why DE let the SCV into his base (was it deliberate or did he just not care anymore by that point?)
3. Did DE change his mind about wrath harrass or did he have this planned from the start?

Watching the replay, his troop positioning for the all in was beautiful.

DE let scv in to scout port so sea would build armory and delay siege? o.O



That would solve nearly every question we have about this game, actually. It did seem like he let the SCV in.

So DE lets the scout into his base so Sea worries more about the wraiths than anything. Meanwhile, he's actually going fast siege and not an abundance of wraiths, or cloak or anything. Sea commits to a battle he thought he could win, but once he realizes DE has siege, it's already too late?

People aren't going to want to believe he intentionally let the scout in though (and he may not have, of course), if only because he's not considered a top tier player. If boxer happened to do it, we'd see it on PP2008 without a doubt. =P

But still, a timing push like that, with siege, and in an extremely important all-or-nothing game? I'm even more surprised now after analyzing all this.

Under no circumstance would it make sense to let your opponent scout you going 1 fact 1 port. NONE. Stop posting this crap Sea knew that darkelf was going fast siege with 1 port harass because its an excellent counter to fast expand. 1 fact into 2 port is total shit vs cc first builds.

Sea knew that DE had siege before he commited to the attack. He just didnt anticipate DE's excellent targeting with tanks + wriaths while repairing the tank that sea was targeting immediately with 3 scvs.

If boxer let the scv in we'd say, "Wtf boxer way to not stop an scv you should've stopped" because this is the only logical reaction. DE did not let the scv in on purpose because it MAKES NO SENSE TO DO SO. He may not have particularly cared about stopping it however, but thats a different story.

How long have you been following progaming? In the last 3 years, have you ever seen any Terran making that mistake with 4 freaking rines at his ramp, so early in game and so important in an ace match (and most importantly when it matters most that your build is not discovered so soon)?

It looks pretty obvious to me that DarkElf intentionally let Sea's SCV in. - To fool Sea to build an armory, or even to confuse Sea that he was just letting him in on purpose.. you can't just simply tell how the mental battle between the progamers went until they specifically say it,
Wait for the interview, I think DE will say he did it intentionally.

I totally agree with QibingZero - if it's Boxer everyone will know that it's his intention for sure


How long have YOU been following progaming? I agree with theforeverwar and you obviously don't know DarkElf very well if you think he can't make that mistake
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
January 19 2008 16:18 GMT
#1494
CJ, I believe you and fighting. Fantastic morning wake up news.
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
joeki
Profile Joined June 2004
Sweden292 Posts
January 19 2008 16:28 GMT
#1495
On January 20 2008 00:44 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
How long have YOU been following progaming? I agree with theforeverwar and you obviously don't know DarkElf very well if you think he can't make that mistake


Mind games as well as mistakes do exist. To judge what this was in DarkElfs case you have to know how DarkElf usually plays, sure, but it's MUCH more a question about knowing the game.

Anyone who isn't DarkElf or an extremely good player and still believes he is 100 % sure of what was going on, greatly overvalues his knowledge.
snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
January 19 2008 16:40 GMT
#1496
taken from the interview with darkelf after the game:

[...]정찰을 허용한 것은 내 실수였는데
it was my mistake to allow the scouting

it's darkelf guys, not boxer!
@riotsnowbird
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
January 19 2008 16:44 GMT
#1497
On January 20 2008 01:40 snowbird wrote:
taken from the interview with darkelf after the game:

[...]정찰을 허용한 것은 내 실수였는데
it was my mistake to allow the scouting

it's darkelf guys, not boxer!


LMao
XD

Well his mistake won him the game
Much's Momentum took CJ this far eh, hes a real captain
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-19 16:48:54
January 19 2008 16:48 GMT
#1498
he also said he scouted the cross position first, because if sea had been there, he wouldn't have chosen the strategy with uncloaked wraith + early siege + early attack

so actually the early attack had been his plan, in case of close positions, all along. sea's scout was a mistake, but actually helped him out because it made sea feel safe(he said).
@riotsnowbird
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
January 19 2008 17:10 GMT
#1499
NICE JOB DE
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
January 19 2008 17:16 GMT
#1500
Ugh. I went to sleep when it was 2-1. If you told me Bisu would win and MBC would still lose I wouldn't believe you.

BAH I SAY. BAH.

Oh well, I'll take CJ over Lecaf in the finals. ;/
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