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[MBC vs CJ] Shinhan R2 Proleague Playoffs 08/01/19 - Page 79
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
Fuck yeah CJ, I love you <3 | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On January 21 2008 02:59 Guybrush wrote: Im disregarding the 2v2s in my review as I never watch them. Overall bad games, and I dont think CJ proved anything in their 1v1 wins. Apart from game 2 and 7 the favorites won. Kwanros sunken trick was cute, but Pusan is still superior, he just happens to be a god damn choker every time hes under pressure. He didnt have to move out like he did, as Kwanro was clearly allining. And dont get me started on game 7. Ridiculous BO when you know you're the better player, and wtf didnt that tank die to 5 scvs ? . Pusan HAD to attack the sunk. If he stayed behind his blockade the sunk would have completed 100% healthy, and killed the gate, core, and pylon with ease. Kwanro would have had even more lings at the choke while Pusan would have had what, like 1 goon, 2 zeals and a probe? LOL. | ||
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suprabum3
United States373 Posts
On January 21 2008 02:59 Guybrush wrote: Im disregarding the 2v2s in my review as I never watch them. Overall bad games, and I dont think CJ proved anything in their 1v1 wins. Apart from game 2 and 7 the favorites won. Kwanros sunken trick was cute, but Pusan is still superior, he just happens to be a god damn choker every time hes under pressure. He didnt have to move out like he did, as Kwanro was clearly allining. And dont get me started on game 7. Ridiculous BO when you know you're the better player, and wtf didnt that tank die to 5 scvs ? As I said before the final, MBC should have used Light instead of Hyun. The result might have been the same, but Much would have been a less favorite against Light than vs Hyun. Congrats to CJ, I think their chances are good in the final. Comes down to Lecafs 2v2 perfomance and of course AT&JD. EDIT: Saw game 7 again, and Sea wasnt microing good enough in that fight, while DE targeted properly. He still got outBOed, or outBOed himself if you might, and not outplayed imo. u should watch the 2v2.. although they normally suck.. memory's brilliance for about a minute or so is not something i would simply "not watch" on principle.. | ||
LosingID8
CA10828 Posts
On January 21 2008 02:59 Guybrush wrote: Im disregarding the 2v2s in my review as I never watch them. Overall bad games, and I dont think CJ proved anything in their 1v1 wins. Apart from game 2 and 7 the favorites won. Kwanros sunken trick was cute, but Pusan is still superior, he just happens to be a god damn choker every time hes under pressure. He didnt have to move out like he did, as Kwanro was clearly allining. And dont get me started on game 7. Ridiculous BO when you know you're the better player, and wtf didnt that tank die to 5 scvs ? As I said before the final, MBC should have used Light instead of Hyun. The result might have been the same, but Much would have been a less favorite against Light than vs Hyun. Congrats to CJ, I think their chances are good in the final. Comes down to Lecafs 2v2 perfomance and of course AT&JD. EDIT: Saw game 7 again, and Sea wasnt microing good enough in that fight, while DE targeted properly. He still got outBOed, or outBOed himself if you might, and not outplayed imo. i highly disagree with pusan being a "god damn choker every time hes under pressure" ok sure, you're probably thinking of the So1 OSL semis, but do you realize how many times MBC used him for the ace match? a LOT. and he won so many of them. he's really clutch. | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
On January 21 2008 12:00 Ace wrote: Pusan HAD to attack the sunk. If he stayed behind his blockade the sunk would have completed 100% healthy, and killed the gate, core, and pylon with ease. Kwanro would have had even more lings at the choke while Pusan would have had what, like 1 goon, 2 zeals and a probe? LOL. Im saying he should give up the choke and cannon up at the nexus, and use his probes against the lings and let that sunk kill the wall, because YES the sunk would use some time on killing that building, and that might have been enough time to complete his cannons. Not saying he would have won, but that choice would have atleast been a way better one than attacking dozens of lings and a sunk with what he had. He panicked. On January 21 2008 16:46 LosingID8 wrote: i highly disagree with pusan being a "god damn choker every time hes under pressure" ok sure, you're probably thinking of the So1 OSL semis, but do you realize how many times MBC used him for the ace match? a LOT. and he won so many of them. he's really clutch. I know Pusan has won many ace matches but its not nearly the same amount of pressure. Pusan might win ace matches from week to week in proleague throughout the season, but when it really counts, like the playoffs semifinals he chokes. You cant compare weekly ace matches to playoff matches simply due to the fact that theres always a new match every week, while the playoffs are do-or-die - if you lose you and most importantly your team is out of the competition. An example from earlier in the season was when he played Anytime in a match of big importance in a PL match vs Lecaf(1st place vs 2nd place). He won the first game by outclassing Anytime, and then he went on to lose the ace match vs the same player. Watching those matches was like watching two different Pusans. You could tell he was nervous. | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On January 23 2008 01:31 Guybrush wrote: Im saying he should give up the choke and cannon up at the nexus, and use his probes against the lings and let that sunk kill the wall, because YES the sunk would use some time on killing that building, and that might have been enough time to complete his cannons. Not saying he would have won, but that choice would have atleast been a way better one than attacking dozens of lings and a sunk with what he had. He panicked. I know Pusan has won many ace matches but its not nearly the same amount of pressure. Pusan might win ace matches from week to week in proleague throughout the season, but when it really counts, like the playoffs semifinals he chokes. You cant compare weekly ace matches to playoff matches simply due to the fact that theres always a new match every week, while the playoffs are do-or-die - if you lose you and most importantly your team is out of the competition. An example from earlier in the season was when he played Anytime in a match of big importance in a PL match vs Lecaf(1st place vs 2nd place). He won the first game by outclassing Anytime, and then he went on to lose the ace match vs the same player. Watching those matches was like watching two different Pusans. You could tell he was nervous. well even if he cannoned up his nexus he would be so far behind with no gate no core it would just have been a waste of time continuing to play right ;p if he defended that sunken rush he would still have a bigger chance of winning ~_~ | ||
IntoTheWow
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
He couldnt defend the sunken rush no matter what hed done at that point. Losing his choke was bound to happen giving the circumstances. His forge was also beside his nex. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
If you dont die right away, its because the zerg decided to be nice and take every single expo on the map. | ||
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Guybrush
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36379 Posts
apparently i'm "retarded" for having a different opinion than you? | ||
Chill
Calgary25986 Posts
On January 23 2008 02:07 Guybrush wrote: Kwanro allined, and was very low on drones despite having two hatches. Denying that is utterly retarded. Ahahahaha reading your replies make me cry. You are honestly suggesting that Pusan would have come out ahead ahead losing a Pylon, Gateway and Cybernetics Core? It's not like Kwanro did 5 Pool + send Drones... If he lost his choke he had undoubtably lost the game. This is undeniable. His only chance at victory was holding his choke, which he tried but simply couldn't. | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
On January 23 2008 02:56 Hot_Bid wrote: it wasn't an allin, maybe if Kwanro had 9 pool speed + sunken rush. but 12 hatching then building one offensive sunken is not an allin. apparently i'm "retarded" for having a different opinion than you? I know you're not retarded, but watch the VOD again, and honestly tell me that Kwanro was not allining. He spent 2 drones on sunk in which one failed, and had 10 drones total including those he pulled away from the gas. And he was producing only lings after that. Surely you cant say Pusans economy wouldnt have been superior even after losing a GW, core, and a pylon. And Pusan had templar tech vs Kwanros speedling tech. Hell I would say hed still be ahead even if he had lost 4-5 probes on defending cannons around his nex after losing his choke. | ||
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purekorea
United States47 Posts
Pusan only hope was to protect the gate long enough to make a DT (I didn't see an overlord close by) which I think he tried by going out when the sunken wasn't finished. Also I think if Pusan kept his 2 zealots and goon. He would of had to make another pylon at base to make up supply lost by the pylon at the choke. (More minerals needed) There just isn't enough time for Pusan to do really anything. One more thing is the first sunken doesn't count as a big econ hit since it was canceled only losing out on 13 mins. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36379 Posts
On January 23 2008 03:44 Guybrush wrote: I know you're not retarded, but watch the VOD again, and honestly tell me that Kwanro was not allining. He spent 2 drones on sunk in which one failed, and had 10 drones total including those he pulled away from the gas. And he was producing only lings after that. Surely you cant say Pusans economy wouldnt have been superior even after losing a GW, core, and a pylon. And Pusan had templar tech vs Kwanros speedling tech. Hell I would say hed still be ahead even if he had lost 4-5 probes on defending cannons around his nex after losing his choke. it's not so much the pure economics of what was lost, but rather what Kwanro gained. Pusan would have no offense or way to threaten Kwanro for a long time, save for maybe one DT that can easily be repelled. this is especially true when someone does a tech build and you scout it, and kill his only means of production for the tech. this would translate into Kwanro whoring a ton of drones and taking two expos, and Pusan 100% losing. i don't think you really understand what "allin" means, it's a strategy with NO backup if it fails. if Pusan stopped the sunken rush Kwanro was by no means dead. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13241 Posts
Pusan would have lost for the reason stated above by hotbid if he lost his choke. If Pusan held his choke he would have been ahead but would not have necessarily won. | ||
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32277 Posts
On January 23 2008 03:44 Guybrush wrote: He spent 2 drones on sunk in which one failed His first drone hardly failed. It kept the dragoon inside his base while the lings + another drone arrived. The only other purpose kwanro would have made that other creep is to expand the creep and deny the cannon. | ||
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