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whaski
Finland577 Posts
On October 20 2020 21:58 ggsimida wrote: oh look another person who equates apm with ability to multitask or just trolling. bye. But at least on stream Soma seems to be quite fast with multiple screens... | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
On October 20 2020 22:14 MaGic~PhiL wrote: unless it is fake apm it is almost literally the definition of multitasking instead of being a defensive douche you could bring arguments precisely why u think that somas multitasking is weak; I just completely disagree with ur sentiment If I want to be a prick about context and precise wording, I got this as "Soma is not as good at multitasking as old Bisu used to be", which is a completely different argument, although probably impossible to prove. Apm does obviously help with multitasking, but basically everything gobbles up apm. It's pretty hard to establish a relationship between the two at the pro level where almost everyone (first exception I can think of is Movie) has 250+ apm and just allocates it differently. | ||
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PorkSoda
170 Posts
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Rucho
United States124 Posts
Not to mention soma's 3rd was undefended for a long time but snow scouted late and attacked late. After that it was a wrap for snow. | ||
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ShAsTa
Belgium2841 Posts
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
On October 21 2020 02:40 ShAsTa wrote: Not to take anything away from Soma but Snow just played poorly imo. Agreed, snow played like dog doo doo. But soma also showed once again how good he is at preparing for a series and executing | ||
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ne4aJIb
Russian Federation3209 Posts
Just watched the interview, he prepares on ladder against random by closing his eyes before game starts. Amazing. | ||
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kidcrash
United States623 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
G1: Soma got a lot of mileage from the weird placement of his third. Snow built a lot of cannons thinking that Soma was going for low-economy muta pressure, but instead there were few mutas and a third base. By the time Snow scouted the third, Soma was already able to blockade Snow with lurkers. Snow is used to fighting lurker containment magnificently with goon+storm, but his economic deficit was pretty big since he only got his third and fourth bases going when Soma had his fourth and fifth bases going. I assume there's some reason he didn't get reavers; maybe the map is too big and open, I dunno. (By contrast, on Eclipse, reavers are great at contesting that last base in the upper left.) To me it looked like Snow playing a "big PvZ" style that generally serves him well, but Soma used a mind game early on to stay ahead on macro all the time. G2: Hard to analyze. Snow used his units well and showed especially good micro against the first lurker bust. I thought he'd won when two lurkers died going in and the third lurker died with only 4 kills. Maybe Snow thought he'd won too. I dunno what he did wrong --- something about cannon placement and timing, rather than unit control? --- but few players react 100% optimally in weird situations. G3: One tiny screw-up in micro and it's over. The moment I noticed was when the zealot in charge of the left side of the gateway was too far down to hit the lings that were hitting the gateway. I wouldn't give Snow too terrible a grade over this. Remember that Soma 3-0'd Bisu last season and made him look bad, too. Soma plays mind games and he's good at them. Korean fans have given nicknames to players like the Emperor or the Tyrant. In my mind, Soma is the Sorcerer. Confusion descends on his opponents; they don't know if the five mutas they're seeing are the heralds of 15 more mutas to come, or if instead Soma is building a third and a fourth in some weird location and building drones. Whichever it is, the five mutas somehow do twice as much damage as they're supposed to. | ||
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andertalets77
144 Posts
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whaski
Finland577 Posts
On October 21 2020 05:51 Djabanete wrote: I didn't think Snow played that badly. G1: Soma got a lot of mileage from the weird placement of his third. Snow built a lot of cannons thinking that Soma was going for low-economy muta pressure, but instead there were few mutas and a third base. By the time Snow scouted the third, Soma was already able to blockade Snow with lurkers. Snow is used to fighting lurker containment magnificently with goon+storm, but his economic deficit was pretty big since he only got his third and fourth bases going when Soma had his fourth and fifth bases going. I assume there's some reason he didn't get reavers; maybe the map is too big and open, I dunno. (By contrast, on Eclipse, reavers are great at contesting that last base in the upper left.) To me it looked like Snow playing a "big PvZ" style that generally serves him well, but Soma used a mind game early on to stay ahead on macro all the time. G2: Hard to analyze. Snow used his units well and showed especially good micro against the first lurker bust. I thought he'd won when two lurkers died going in and the third lurker died with only 4 kills. Maybe Snow thought he'd won too. I dunno what he did wrong --- something about cannon placement and timing, rather than unit control? --- but few players react 100% optimally in weird situations. G3: One tiny screw-up in micro and it's over. The moment I noticed was when the zealot in charge of the left side of the gateway was too far down to hit the lings that were hitting the gateway. I wouldn't give Snow too terrible a grade over this. Remember that Soma 3-0'd Bisu last season and made him look bad, too. Soma plays mind games and he's good at them. Korean fans have given nicknames to players like the Emperor or the Tyrant. In my mind, Soma is the Sorcerer. Confusion descends on his opponents; they don't know if the five mutas they're seeing are the heralds of 15 more mutas to come, or if instead Soma is building a third and a fourth in some weird location and building drones. Whichever it is, the five mutas somehow do twice as much damage as they're supposed to. ? It was 3-2 against Bisu. At least koreans seem to think Snow was playing badly, just look this for example http://bj.afreecatv.com/tmsh401/post/63257516 . Soma has trashed Snow before and he has been training offline. Still game 3 was so bad, after killing 2 drones and denying gas Snow should have know that all-in was only option for Zerg | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On October 21 2020 07:06 whaski wrote: ? It was 3-2 against Bisu. At least koreans seem to think Snow was playing badly, just look this for example http://bj.afreecatv.com/tmsh401/post/63257516 I totally misremembered the Bisu match, thanks for the correction. As for what "koreans" think, there is a gulf between pros and fans. Fans are not necessarily fair-minded. I'm not able to follow your link atm. BW is a game where you can easily look bad when you lose, that's all. | ||
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
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Ideas
United States8171 Posts
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Nukid
United States240 Posts
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Nukid
United States240 Posts
On October 21 2020 09:08 Ideas wrote: Someone PLEASE explain to me why it wouldn't be a good idea for a protoss in Snow's position in game 1 (large econ, zerg using lots of lurkers for defense, snow still has 6-8 corsairs) to get dweb to help bust lurkers? I understand fleet beacon and dweb costs a bit of cash, but how many zeal/goon/templar did he waste trying to attack into those lurkers? I'm guessing that dweb is too apm intensive and it doesn't last long. Also you can easily reposition the lurker back a bit to avoid dweb. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13425 Posts
If he quickly got that cair flock up to 12 he would’ve dominated the muta harass and scourge cloud which would’ve helped him gain those key high ground points. In the end he was too passive and it cost him when it came time to bust out. | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2413 Posts
On October 20 2020 22:14 MaGic~PhiL wrote: He noticed the DT killing drones very quickly in Game 1, as a point in Soma's favour. I would classify that as multitasking or at least relevant to multitasking ability.unless it is fake apm it is almost literally the definition of multitasking instead of being a defensive douche you could bring arguments precisely why u think that somas multitasking is weak; I just completely disagree with ur sentiment Actually the original wording was "reacts slowly to harass"yrah I dunno, didn't see it in these 3 games at least. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
In game 1 Snow got outclassed, it's as simple as that. He wasn't able to figure out a strong response to Soma's strategy and lost as a result. A lot of professional games look like that. Ask Flash, he's the master of outclassing his competition. In game 2 Snow looked like he was quite well prepared but something went wrong with his preparation, or maybe the specific movement from Soma's units flowing in didn't go the way Snow expected. It looked like he could've prepared a little better for this, but anyone who thinks this is easy has no idea how complex the map is strategically. If you misjudge your opponent you can easily fall for a secret preparation. In game 3 I can't really explain Snow's thought process, maybe he truly misjudged the situation. Maybe zerg really only had the option of massing zerglings. This probably makes for one poor decision, all his other plays are quite understandable. People need to calm their tits, in a bo5 anything can happen. Since when can a very good pro not simply get outplayed these days? Sheesh. People didn't say that stuff about Savior either when he got steamrolled by Bisu who made him look like a chobo on that famous day (and he even openly announced long before the match that he'd be using his DT strategy, yet Savior still lost to it). The backseat gamers in here every time a pro loses a bo5 lmao... | ||
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