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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
October 20 2020 11:29 GMT
#101
Poor Snow, Soma was on another level today
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1207 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-20 11:36:02
October 20 2020 11:30 GMT
#102
On October 20 2020 20:28 Highgamer wrote:
Well anywho, we got ourself one serious infestation in this iteration of ASL. I remember Zergs were pretty much written off a few months (or years?) ago as serious contenders, what happened?


If somehow Flash is out of the picture, this is what it looks like. This is what sponbang has been for years too.

Zerg is really strong in this game.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50465 Posts
October 20 2020 11:30 GMT
#103
On October 20 2020 20:28 Highgamer wrote:
Well anywho, we got ourself one serious infestation in this iteration of ASL. I remember Zergs were pretty much written off a few months (or years?) ago as serious contenders, what happened?

meta, maps, player form, take your pick.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-20 11:34:37
October 20 2020 11:31 GMT
#104
I really hoped it wouldn't be a 3-0 and was generous to Snow in my prediction because of the map pool.
Obviously I shouldn't have been.
WriterReV hwaiting!
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
October 20 2020 11:32 GMT
#105
On October 20 2020 20:28 Highgamer wrote:
Well anywho, we got ourself one serious infestation in this iteration of ASL. I remember Zergs were pretty much written off a few months (or years?) ago as serious contenders, what happened?


Could a high A rank or S rank zerg please answer this question.
Why did we start winning after the recent 'bad times'?
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-20 11:33:47
October 20 2020 11:32 GMT
#106
On October 20 2020 20:28 Highgamer wrote:
Well anywho, we got ourself one serious infestation in this iteration of ASL. I remember Zergs were pretty much written off a few months (or years?) ago as serious contenders, what happened?
9734 happened and Zergs figured out how to deal with securing the 3rd vs Terran. Maps changed to accomodate previous "meta" just when Zergs were figured it out. Though in this case, neither is really relevant to the games today.
Kurte_Idumin
Profile Joined March 2014
Australia22 Posts
October 20 2020 11:33 GMT
#107
I think Soma just need to do 9 pool every game versus Flash, it could be a BO win or at least he will get on well with his aggressive style.
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4128 Posts
October 20 2020 11:35 GMT
#108
Guys I don't think Snow played poorly in game 1 at all, Soma knew Snow tends to play safe by getting 3 base up and going into late game. Soma chose a brilliant spilt map strategy by parking his lurkers at the high ground above the bridges. Once he was set it is extremely hard for Protoss to break out. That strat wouldn't have worked if they played again.

Game 2 Snow should have added more cannons and game 3 well it speaks for itself.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44202 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-20 11:42:21
October 20 2020 11:40 GMT
#109
What did i just watch. That was brutal.

I think Flash is actually in trouble against Soma but against Snow i'd put him above

I have no faith in his zvz and well soma's zvp clearly looks dangerous. Unless he draws like all terrans on his random that's the only way i see him winning
this is a quote
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21851 Posts
October 20 2020 11:41 GMT
#110
On October 20 2020 20:35 Dante08 wrote:
Guys I don't think Snow played poorly in game 1 at all, Soma knew Snow tends to play safe by getting 3 base up and going into late game. Soma chose a brilliant spilt map strategy by parking his lurkers at the high ground above the bridges. Once he was set it is extremely hard for Protoss to break out. That strat wouldn't have worked if they played again.

Game 2 Snow should have added more cannons and game 3 well it speaks for itself.
The problem with game 1 seems to be that Snow didn't want to get Reavers, which would have helped break the lurker contain.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1207 Posts
October 20 2020 11:43 GMT
#111
This is not the first time Snow did not get reavers when they were an absolute must (there was a previous game on Eclipse I think).

Questionable play to say the least.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-20 11:47:55
October 20 2020 11:46 GMT
#112
The map wasn't split at all though. Snow just adamantly refused to manoeuvre his units around. Seemed to have faith that this time, everytime, he will be able to break the great lurker plain and all the zealot sacrifices will be worth it. "Don't let our boys die in vain!" seemed to be his mantra that game. Maybe had a bad sleep, or has RSI issues. His game before the long suicide was good though, I cannot fault that, had nice moments like storming perfectly to save his corsairs from like 24 scourge, shame about everthing else. Who knows, maybe there is a good reason for his decision that game to try to break that lurker spread despite not enough HT or reavers and it's just the roll of dice that makes it look terrible.
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
October 20 2020 11:54 GMT
#113
game 1 just makes me yearn for old bisu. soma actually lost air control towards the mid-lategame (although soma dropped focus on it probably he knows hes up against snow who wouldn't be able to take advantage of it), his 6 and 12 expos was scantily defended. soma has shown that he reacts rather lately to harass and does not seem as great on the multitasking front. bisu on the hotseat would really have punished soma for those. oh and pretty willing to make reavers in lategame too like others have pointed out how they are vital.
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
October 20 2020 12:12 GMT
#114
This is not first time for Soma to destroy Snow. I was sure it would be 3-0. ZvZ finals incomming.
it's not just a music it's something else
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
October 20 2020 12:26 GMT
#115
On October 20 2020 20:54 ggsimida wrote:
game 1 just makes me yearn for old bisu. soma actually lost air control towards the mid-lategame (although soma dropped focus on it probably he knows hes up against snow who wouldn't be able to take advantage of it), his 6 and 12 expos was scantily defended. soma has shown that he reacts rather lately to harass and does not seem as great on the multitasking front. bisu on the hotseat would really have punished soma for those. oh and pretty willing to make reavers in lategame too like others have pointed out how they are vital.


soma not great on the multitasking front?
guy has 370apm as zerg ô_Ô

hatred outlives the hateful
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
October 20 2020 12:58 GMT
#116
On October 20 2020 21:26 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2020 20:54 ggsimida wrote:
game 1 just makes me yearn for old bisu. soma actually lost air control towards the mid-lategame (although soma dropped focus on it probably he knows hes up against snow who wouldn't be able to take advantage of it), his 6 and 12 expos was scantily defended. soma has shown that he reacts rather lately to harass and does not seem as great on the multitasking front. bisu on the hotseat would really have punished soma for those. oh and pretty willing to make reavers in lategame too like others have pointed out how they are vital.


soma not great on the multitasking front?
guy has 370apm as zerg ô_Ô



oh look another person who equates apm with ability to multitask or just trolling. bye.
Muff2n
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom250 Posts
October 20 2020 12:58 GMT
#117
It didn't seem to me that Snow played that poorly. He was just outclassed a bit today. Game one I can question why he didn't get reavers (and shuttle speed), but he initially traded pretty cost efficiently with the zerg - until hive tech - despite the choke and high ground.

g2 I think we can excuse to confusing maps. Had he managed to block the lurkers better, the game would have been quite different. Only one got through, so close enough margins.

g3 I see these micro errors happen from time to time. The protoss is in the dark after all, and doesn't want to pull probes unnecessarily.

IMO Snow deserved to lose, but not to be called am amateur or anything. He is a player who doesn't do things precisely (apart from reaver control), but is good at strategy and scrappy games. But sometimes imprecision can cost you (g3).
Soulforged
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Latvia924 Posts
October 20 2020 13:09 GMT
#118
The whole reason the chokehold even got setup in game 1 was the fact that Snow didn't have his nat covered against mutas and he lost a great amount of probes there, after investing a lot into sairs and cannons already.
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
October 20 2020 13:14 GMT
#119
On October 20 2020 21:58 ggsimida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2020 21:26 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
On October 20 2020 20:54 ggsimida wrote:
game 1 just makes me yearn for old bisu. soma actually lost air control towards the mid-lategame (although soma dropped focus on it probably he knows hes up against snow who wouldn't be able to take advantage of it), his 6 and 12 expos was scantily defended. soma has shown that he reacts rather lately to harass and does not seem as great on the multitasking front. bisu on the hotseat would really have punished soma for those. oh and pretty willing to make reavers in lategame too like others have pointed out how they are vital.


soma not great on the multitasking front?
guy has 370apm as zerg ô_Ô



oh look another person who equates apm with ability to multitask or just trolling. bye.


unless it is fake apm it is almost literally the definition of multitasking

instead of being a defensive douche you could bring arguments precisely why u think that somas multitasking is weak; I just completely disagree with ur sentiment
hatred outlives the hateful
Zaibakk
Profile Joined May 2017
101 Posts
October 20 2020 13:16 GMT
#120
I love fanboys protoss tears
Anyway best zvp in the world Soma. The question is, how good is his zvz?
Flash as a tough opponent now, and I'm happy Soma won this (Snow would have been crashed again by Flash)
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