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[ASL8] Grand Finals - Flash vs Snow
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BLinD-RawR
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Trozz
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I hope these games will be good. Leeyoungho fighting! | ||
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RxMidnight
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On September 01 2019 13:42 RxMidnight wrote: With Flash's injury, it's going to be tough for him to play well if the series stretches to 6 or 7 games. I hope he manages to close out the series quickly with a 4-1 victory. This is his last series before military, I think he will play through it. Snow 4-3 Flash | ||
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bovienchien
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On September 01 2019 13:42 RxMidnight wrote: With Flash's injury, it's going to be tough for him to play well if the series stretches to 6 or 7 games. I hope he manages to close out the series quickly with a 4-1 victory. If this match is best of one on Block Chain map today, who will win you think? | ||
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RxMidnight
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On September 01 2019 13:56 bovienchien wrote: If this match is best of one on Block Chain map today, who will win you think? Is Block Chain considered Toss favored? I've only watched Flash's matches and he beat Rain handily there. Regardless, the fanboy in me will always bet on Flash. | ||
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VioleTAK
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No one comes close to achieving his level of game mastery, and that includes Snow of course. However, Snow does stand a fair chance here for various reasons, and although the reasons for that chance are not great (Flash becoming quite painful after 1-2 games in streams, having to stop, etc...) it still is what it is, and from Snow's side, Flash is still the go-to to beat, so there's no reason to think twice, and its time to bring it 100%. Flash will always remain a legend, and maybe Snow needs a victory to step up. Flash did say in the winner interview of R8 that he's very greedy for this victory. I think we're in for a fantastic finals! | ||
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Akio
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Flash fighting! | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
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Heart says SnOw, but brain says 4-2 FlaSh. Let's see! | ||
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KobraKay
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Let's go Flash! | ||
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On September 01 2019 17:04 polgas wrote: Snow gonna give it his all. Lets see some reaver harass! i predict we will see lots of reboos | ||
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goody153
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hope we get a full series instead of a stomp | ||
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britney 26k * O_O vs the 9k kr stream xD and us cool kids 300 on the en stream REPRESENT | ||
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On September 01 2019 17:10 GTR wrote: what kind of countdown starts from 15??? right? even rockets that launch into space don't get that kind of drama | ||
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Alejandrisha
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On September 01 2019 17:11 Heartland wrote: I want to cheer for Protoss, but it would be nice to send off the king with a final victory. i feel you. i would love to see snow pull off the upset but i want flash to finish as the king; he deserves it!! | ||
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let's have good games regardless please lads | ||
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the next broodwar tournaments are gonna be fun | ||
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Alejandrisha
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On September 01 2019 17:19 [AS]Rattus wrote: is flash wins this one was alot of fun i feel like if he doesn't win it will be even more fun for the wtf factor | ||
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Alejandrisha
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On September 01 2019 17:19 goody153 wrote: yo if snow beats flash today the next broodwar tournaments are gonna be fun if flash loses...... im trying to think of reasonable things.... i will get my non-important stream going again in the spirit of protossu strength | ||
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superjoppe
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Do you know which race had the most medals in OSL? Terran Do you know which race had the fewest medals in MSL? Protoss Do you know which race had the most medals in MSL? Terran The Ultimate Weapon playing a superior race. This is gonna be ezpz 4-0. | ||
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goody153
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On September 01 2019 17:27 superjoppe wrote: Do you know which race had the fewest medals in OSL? Protoss Do you know which race had the most medals in OSL? Terran Do you know which race had the fewest medals in MSL? Protoss Do you know which race had the most medals in MSL? Terran The Ultimate Weapon playing a superior race. This is gonna be ezpz 4-0. Wouldn't discount Snow. Dude can be really scary | ||
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Alejandrisha
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On September 01 2019 17:29 goody153 wrote: Wouldn't discount Snow. Dude can be really scary the best current pvt player against the best terran player and best player of all time. i don't think it will be 4-0. i could see snow winning a map. i'm thinking 4-1 flash | ||
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goody153
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here we go On September 01 2019 17:33 imBLIND wrote: My head says Flash, my gut says Snow. same On September 01 2019 17:33 veQ wrote: Really hoping Snow will show some of the previous plays that stuff was crazy as hell yep | ||
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Alejandrisha
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On September 01 2019 17:31 prosatan wrote: Youtube link for the finals: from other thread for above ^ and others who have problems streaming afreeca | ||
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goody153
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On September 01 2019 17:37 SenorChang wrote: is the stream a little bit choppy / laggy for anyone else? watching the youtube stream as the afreeca stream just doesn't work for me | ||
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nojok
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On September 01 2019 17:27 superjoppe wrote: Do you know which race had the fewest medals in OSL? Protoss Do you know which race had the most medals in OSL? Terran Do you know which race had the fewest medals in MSL? Protoss Do you know which race had the most medals in MSL? Terran The Ultimate Weapon playing a superior race. This is gonna be ezpz 4-0. The superior humans picked terran because of their superior tastes. | ||
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goody153
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On September 01 2019 17:39 nojok wrote: The superior humans picked terran because of their superior tastes. did you just call flash a human ? | ||
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Flash created terrans in his image | ||
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goody153
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just that this finals have 178237192873786876x better players | ||
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johanes
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On September 01 2019 17:50 goody153 wrote: who is ahead ? Snow ? Snow is dead already | ||
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goody153
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was losing that many probes putting him in a dead position ? | ||
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lolfail9001
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Good thing i don't understand BW at all, makes watching this much more entertaining. Even though it feels like Flash is just doing whatever he wants. | ||
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On September 01 2019 17:46 goody153 wrote: ok snow just outplayed flash game 1 oh what? | ||
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GG | ||
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HolydaKing
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On September 01 2019 17:52 ggsimida wrote: why u no simcity/wall snow He built it way too late, yeah. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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Poll: Recommend Flash vs Snow Game 1? Yes (33) If you have time (4) No (2) 39 total votes Your vote: Recommend Flash vs Snow Game 1? | ||
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goody153
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On September 01 2019 17:56 lolfail9001 wrote: Is this how all Flash games go? Opponent does something and then he dies? Usually. Tho sometimes the enemy gets to upset tbh i don't understand broodwar enough to know that flash is winning already | ||
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Heartland
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On September 01 2019 17:56 lolfail9001 wrote: Is this how all Flash games go? Opponent does something and then he dies? The most Flash game I've ever seen was on Heartbreak Ridge against Shine (maybe?). Shine's rush failed, but he followed up with burrow and built lings and burrowed them on the ridge outside of Flash's base. I've never seen anyone do that strat before. The idea was to ambush Flash's army. Flash moves out a few moments later... and scans the ridge. How he knew, how he did it, I have no idea. | ||
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goody153
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apparently i know nothing about broodwar it looked like that around sub 10 minutes | ||
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oxKnu
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Gotta kill the first dropship, gotta protect your probes. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
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On September 01 2019 17:57 Heartland wrote: The most Flash game I've ever seen was on Heartbreak Ridge against Shine (maybe?). Shine's rush failed, but he followed up with burrow and built lings and burrowed them on the ridge outside of Flash's base. I've never seen anyone do that strat before. The idea was to ambush Flash's army. Flash moves out a few moments later... and scans the ridge. How he knew, how he did it, I have no idea. Star sense they call it. | ||
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imBLIND
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On September 01 2019 17:56 lolfail9001 wrote: Is this how all Flash games go? Opponent does something and then he dies? Flash did so much more than what is visible to us. -He blind built a bunker to stall the 2gate range goon because he smelled something funny from Snow blocking his choke so early -He always found a soft spot and net postive trades with his vulture raids -He showed insane patience when his raids were doing so much damage -He scouted Snow's 3rd base nearly perfectly -He waited to get a science vessel + 1 goliath to pick observers so that Snow would not know where/when to attack him There is literally no other terran in the world that would have the brains and speed to do all of the above. | ||
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Alejandrisha
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esp when you have to drop them in strange places and run through at weird times and always be cost efficient On September 01 2019 17:59 imBLIND wrote: Flash did so much more than what is visible to us. -He blind built a bunker to stall the 2gate range goon because he smelled something funny from Snow blocking his choke so early -He always found a soft spot and net postive trades with his vulture raids -He showed insane patience when his raids were doing so much damage -He scouted Snow's 3rd base nearly perfectly -He waited to get a science vessel + 1 goliath to pick observers so that Snow would not know where/when to attack him There is literally no other terran in thh world that would have the brains and speed to do all of the above. this exactly | ||
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HolydaKing
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On September 01 2019 17:57 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: absolutely insane game from Flash. No mistakes, impeccable vulture harass, keeping things safe and solid. Impressive. Yeah, his defense early with the bunker was also flawless, someone with less good control might have lost a lot stuff or died when Snow rushed past the bunker early. | ||
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goody153
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On September 01 2019 17:59 imBLIND wrote: Flash did so much more than what is visible to us. -He blind built a bunker to stall the 2gate range goon because he smelled something funny from Snow blocking his choke so early -He always found a soft spot and net postive trades with his vulture raids -He showed insane patience when his raids were doing so much damage -He scouted Snow's 3rd base nearly perfectly -He waited to get a science vessel + 1 goliath to pick observers so that Snow would not know where/when to attack him There is literally no other terran in the world that would have the brains and speed to do all of the above. Last is like the next best terran but he plays nothing like flash. | ||
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KobraKay
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On September 01 2019 17:56 lolfail9001 wrote: Is this how all Flash games go? Opponent does something and then he dies? Nah this time the vultures were key to this. Otherwise things could have snowballed out of control in favour of Snow. Flash is hard to predict because throught his career he seemed to play perfectly standard but just above everyone else but, at the same time, he could be seen as someone who would pull ridiculous strategies and make them work. This makes him a very tough opponent to prepare against. If you focus on standard you have a mountain to climb because that is almost unbeatable….if you try to prepare special builds or to anticipate his, you are out of your Comfort zone but he seems rather unfazed about unorthodox games. Sigh….but Snow actually stands a decent chance in regular standard games. | ||
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VioleTAK
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On September 01 2019 18:01 darktreb wrote: Masterful game by Flash, but it was actually a pretty big and completely avoidable mistake to let the Bunker die. That set him back a lot. If he had also lost his Dropship, it would have been a completely different game. That dropship survivng was a relly big deal. | ||
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ggsimida
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On September 01 2019 18:01 HolydaKing wrote: Yeah, his defense early with the bunker was also flawless, someone with less good control might have lost a lot stuff or died when Snow rushed past the bunker early. snow did make a mistake not rushing the goons up to the ramp below asap. the stronger pressure against the bunker would shift the momentum for snow earlier | ||
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goody153
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or i understood korean | ||
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johanes
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On September 01 2019 18:02 KobraKay wrote: Nah this time the vultures were key to this. Otherwise things could have snowballed out of control in favour of Snow. Flash is hard to predict because throught his career he seemed to play perfectly standard but just above everyone else but, at the same time, he could be seen as someone who would pull ridiculous strategies and make them work. This makes him a very tough opponent to prepare against. If you focus on standard you have a mountain to climb because that is almost unbeatable….if you try to prepare special builds or to anticipate his, you are out of your Comfort zone but he seems rather unfazed about unorthodox games. Sigh….but Snow actually stands a decent chance in regular standard games. This goes back to "cheddar terran" days, he was cheese master and then became standard player. He has it all. | ||
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On September 01 2019 18:06 VioleTAK wrote: Snow's third was nothing but a sinkhole until he finally places that 2nd pylon to properly protect it from vultures. Snow isn't used to playing Terrans this relentess, no protoss is used to it, to Flash. They forget how strong he is until they play him again. As LAst said in selection ceremony while chosing other Terran to create a 4T group due to his amazing TvT, "Flash isn't a Terran, I'll never chose Flash". tbh it's a hard map for protoss to take a third esp when dropships are out and he needed to be a base ahead for a LONG time to be able to hold that push. not gonna blame the map but flash abused the hell out of that map | ||
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On September 01 2019 18:08 VioleTAK wrote: Comon they need to continue the show, we've got ways to go. That game makes them think: "OK, we only have 3 maps to go, do the ads NOW." | ||
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Alejandrisha
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dove for 3 tanks and lost what, 3 dragoons?? amazeballz | ||
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On September 01 2019 18:25 KobraKay wrote: Is Snow facing nerves or something? Those moves dont seem that great or am i missing something? you basically cannot recall vs flash. he always spaces his depots out where recalls would come and sets up mines and turrets. recalling into flash is almost always a loss | ||
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LV_426
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ok +2 just hit | ||
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20 +2 which becomes 15+1 vs most units, 75 + x -1 damage for armor.. | ||
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On September 01 2019 18:31 LV_426 wrote: 2k gas and he is playing 1 stargate arbiters? no statis cost him this game.. No joke, when Flash went for this push i instantly understood why playing PvT without stasis is borderline suicide. | ||
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4-0 incoming !!!! | ||
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On September 01 2019 18:31 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: this is an answer to the questions asked before - this is what flash does. he makes his race look legitimately imbalanced. That's what the #1 players do. | ||
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On September 01 2019 18:31 lolfail9001 wrote: No joke, when Flash went for this push i instantly understood why playing PvT without stasis is borderline suicide. lol foreal. if you want to play late game pvt, you need to have lots of stasis | ||
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yeah. you watch this and everything is so perfect. he was 2 base vs 4, then 3 vs 5 and investing in defense and very smart unit positioning, waiting for opponent to make mistakes and then that famous "this is many tanks yes?" push. | ||
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On September 01 2019 18:33 De4ngus wrote: Flash trying to get Terran nerfed as he goes out. If he doesn't get to dominate anymore. Everybody in his race doesn't get to | ||
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LV_426
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On September 01 2019 18:33 Highgamer wrote: lol @ people pinning this on mass-tanks-push or missing stasis. Snow botched this one big time by idealessly recalling units around, not building enough infrastructure, never preparing for a fight in the middle. recalls were fine, but making arbiters from 1 stargate not | ||
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Cush
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Reminds me of an old Day[9] quote where he basically says after holding off lots of drops or chessy shit often you can just take your whole army "and go fucking kill him". Flash is a machine | ||
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lolfail9001
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On September 01 2019 18:33 Highgamer wrote: lol @ people pinning this on mass-tanks-push or missing stasis. Snow botched this one big time by idealessly recalling units around, not building enough infrastructure, never preparing for a fight in the middle. I mean, that's all correct, but i must say that doing stuff Snow was trying to do if you can't delay T from just killing you with maxed out mech army still does not look smart. | ||
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On September 01 2019 18:31 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: this is an answer to the questions asked before - this is what flash does. he makes his race look legitimately imbalanced. That's actually because his race is legitimately imbalanced. Let's be honest here guys, Snow is playing like absolute garbage. 2 of the worst recalls I've ever seen in the same game. Also Sylphid is Terran favored. That didn't help him either. | ||
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lolfail9001
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On September 01 2019 18:35 KamMoye wrote: Woke up in time to see Flash stomp. What was g1 like? Looked close for a minute with funky 1 base openers from both, then vultures killed 102398029384023 probes and Snow died. | ||
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goody153
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On September 01 2019 18:35 KamMoye wrote: Woke up in time to see Flash stomp. What was g1 like? Game 1 is fantastic. Just don't look at the results | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
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On September 01 2019 18:35 oxKnu wrote: That's actually because his race is legitimately imbalanced. if this is a reference to Flash being God - you're right! | ||
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LV_426
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if they buy you enough time, its ok to trade inefficient | ||
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lolfail9001
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On September 01 2019 18:37 VioleTAK wrote: Some progamers in the audience I mean, this is basically a send off for God himself, you'd expect a plenty of pros/semi-pros appearing if they have opportunity. | ||
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KobraKay
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On September 01 2019 18:35 KamMoye wrote: Woke up in time to see Flash stomp. What was g1 like? 10-10 1 base starport into 2 gate P….vulture harass a lot, snow getting cute with "hidden" expansion. Flash gets first expo and army and murders Snow still replacing dead probes from previous vulture harass. | ||
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Alejandrisha
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goody153
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On September 01 2019 18:37 lolfail9001 wrote: I mean, this is basically a send off for God himself, you'd expect a plenty of pros/semi-pros appearing if they have opportunity. who are the progamers on the stadium btw ? | ||
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God bless weird maps | ||
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On September 01 2019 18:40 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: lol oh boy this is fun God bless weird maps True that Sparkle games are still my favorite. | ||
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On September 01 2019 18:41 goody153 wrote: True that Sparkle games are still my favorite. even flash won on sparkle lol. i think that's when the 2 fac gol meta began. they did it on islands and they were like, damn this might even work on ground | ||
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On September 01 2019 18:43 lolfail9001 wrote: Isn't this central base a very obvious one? I mean, i might be biased coming from SC2, but we had plenty of maps were people were going for "ninja" base in the center all the time. Heck, there was even a variation of Fighting Spirit that allowed that. Secret bases in broodwar are usually the obscure locations. Not the obvious ones. Also i think sc2 explores the map much more than bw afaik | ||
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On September 01 2019 18:44 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: HOW DID FLASH SAVE THOSE TANKS?! he's 'good at skating' flash can definitely do a kick flip | ||
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what the hell happened | ||
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On September 01 2019 18:49 goody153 wrote: uhm i just went for an errand for a minute or two what the hell happened Flash went ahead and fucking killed Snow. Well, Snow still has some carriers and ton of mineral income, so maybe it's not quite over. EDIT: Never mind. | ||
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also, no one can 4-0 flash in any reality, so Flash got this. | ||
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Who wins in that situation, ever?? | ||
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Poland339 Posts
((((((( goddamn It was looking so good | ||
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Flash is something else | ||
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On September 01 2019 18:51 Ty2 wrote: darn. Pretty depressing. yeah. how to win.. | ||
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Game1 was the best. | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
On September 01 2019 18:50 BLinD-RawR wrote: "No" ? Come on….that was fun. It was helpful as well. Too late to face P with eco lead and carriers? Kill him right away while Carriers are still making. Maybe Rain is not so bad? o.O | ||
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goody153
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On September 01 2019 18:50 Alejandrisha wrote: hoe. lee. shit. i honestly thought this was gonna be closer looks like effort is still the only player who can beat flash in a finals | ||
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On September 01 2019 18:52 goody153 wrote: i honestly thought this was gonna be closer looks like effort is still the only player who can beat flash in a finals agreed. i still watch that finals from time to time just to remind myself it's possible for him to lose | ||
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johanes
Czech Republic2227 Posts
On September 01 2019 18:52 KobraKay wrote: "No" ? Come on….that was fun. It was helpful as well. Too late to face P with eco lead and carriers? Kill him right away while Carriers are still making. Maybe Rain is not so bad? o.O the problem is, every terran knows this, but Flash can actually make it work | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On September 01 2019 18:51 asel wrote: How was this win even possible? First Flash scouts a hidden nexus and understands that it is 3 base carriers. Prepares for the timing push just before the carrier and interceptor count becomes high. He did it many times against other tosses. | ||
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On September 01 2019 18:53 johanes wrote: the problem is, every terran knows this, but Flash can actually make it work flash made rain look like a 1600 player | ||
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oxKnu
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He has a timing attack for everything you can think of. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4009 Posts
If you are Last, you watch this and say "how the fuck???" | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On September 01 2019 18:52 goody153 wrote: i honestly thought this was gonna be closer looks like effort is still the only player who can beat flash in a finals Snow did it actually. But Effort is the only who does it consistently in the finals :D And I think partly because Flash is always very nervous when playing against him. | ||
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On September 01 2019 18:54 yoshi245 wrote: Effort is the closest thing to a true kryptonite to Flash. Snow had such a nice edge on that game, and yet Flash still won. At this point, what else can Snow do? i am sure at this point his mindset is absolute shit. he should have won at least 1 game maybe 2 games and he lost terribly in all 3. i don't even know what he is going to do in game 4 to avoid a sweep | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
On September 01 2019 18:54 letian wrote: First Flash scouts a hidden nexus and understands that it is 3 base carriers. Prepares for the timing push just before the carrier and interceptor count becomes high. He did it many times against other tosses. This was abit different as Flash was behind though after building so many turrets and getting a wraith. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On September 01 2019 18:54 Alejandrisha wrote: flash made rain look like a 1600 player Don't forget that Rain played worse than Snow today. | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On September 01 2019 18:54 letian wrote: First Flash scouts a hidden nexus and understands that it is 3 base carriers. Prepares for the timing push just before the carrier and interceptor count becomes high. He did it many times against other tosses. Tastosis kinda missed how Flash didn't panic when he scouted the hidden base. I don't know if they were just doing it for hype's sake, but Flash didn't panic at all and responded perfectly. He even scanned 3 base carriers to confirm. Once he did, that was pretty much GG for Snow. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
It's a minor detail, but when you set up a game so that the *only* option for your opponent is a push, it's the kind of detail you'd expect such a smart player like Snow to have taken care of. Snow would have won if he'd just managed to kill the first push even after losing his entire main. Terran was about to drop down to 1 base because of the low resource counts at the expansions. Snow's going to regret this one for a long time. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On September 01 2019 18:56 letian wrote: Don't forget that Rain played worse than Snow today. oh i won't. i just recently watched rain vs flash again just to remind myself how to not play vs terran | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
On September 01 2019 18:56 darktreb wrote: Oof, tough. Snow made a lot of mistakes. But a really small one that cost him a lot was not killing the eggs on his ramp when he had time to do so earlier in the game. I think that cost him a bunch of Dragoons as he was trying to retreat. It's a minor detail, but when you set up a game so that the *only* option for your opponent is a push, it's the kind of detail you'd expect such a smart player like Snow to have taken care of. Snow would have won if he'd just managed to kill the first push even after losing his entire main. Terran was about to drop down to 1 base because of the low resource counts at the expansions. Snow's going to regret this one for a long time. Actually not killing the eggs might have been a good move because it's so hard to move tanks up a ramp. | ||
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VioleTAK
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On September 01 2019 18:54 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: If you are Rain, you watch this and say "see i told you so" If you are Last, you watch this and say "how the fuck???" Hehe yeah All other Terrans are realizing how much they could potentially improve their game. You can watch Last, he's streaming himself watching the finals, he's mostly like 'ahhh...' 'ohhhh....' hehe, all of them are. Bisu's the same. Flash is on another level and that's 100% clear to everyone. When he's not playing anymore, the next 'strongest' players will always wonder how strong they really are compared to current Flash. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On September 01 2019 18:58 KamMoye wrote: Flash quitting is good for the scene if he's literally ~90% to win any series yeah but when flash is gone who cares who wins if they don't have to go against this monster man machine god jesus? | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On September 01 2019 18:56 darktreb wrote: Oof, tough. Snow made a lot of mistakes. But a really small one that cost him a lot was not killing the eggs on his ramp when he had time to do so earlier in the game. I think that cost him a bunch of Dragoons as he was trying to retreat. It's a minor detail, but when you set up a game so that the *only* option for your opponent is a push, it's the kind of detail you'd expect such a smart player like Snow to have taken care of. Snow would have won if he'd just managed to kill the first push even after losing his entire main. Terran was about to drop down to 1 base because of the low resource counts at the expansions. Snow's going to regret this one for a long time. This. But it would barely matter, he lost like 4-5 there but you know, it's easy to speculate. | ||
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On September 01 2019 18:59 Highgamer wrote: This series at least, Snow just doesn't look like he is thinking next steps in the lategame... You should know that Terran will move out like this against carriers, so no plan to stall the attack except a few goons? yeah. very uninspiring lategame from snow :/ | ||
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LV_426
Poland432 Posts
making 3 stargates without ground army, i guess he fells so much worse than Flash, that he has to gamble like that | ||
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Highgamer
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edit: Larva: "If he gets to talk, I want to talk too, cue me up next." | ||
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tanngard
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But Snow is #1 in my heart always | ||
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Wonk
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On September 01 2019 18:56 darktreb wrote: Oof, tough. Snow made a lot of mistakes. But a really small one that cost him a lot was not killing the eggs on his ramp when he had time to do so earlier in the game. I think that cost him a bunch of Dragoons as he was trying to retreat. It's a minor detail, but when you set up a game so that the *only* option for your opponent is a push, it's the kind of detail you'd expect such a smart player like Snow to have taken care of. Snow would have won if he'd just managed to kill the first push even after losing his entire main. Terran was about to drop down to 1 base because of the low resource counts at the expansions. Snow's going to regret this one for a long time. Whether or though those eggs being left up hurt flash's push or snow's retreat is difficult to call until it happens. If he'd killed them and the tanks had rolled up into his base and he'd lost anyway people would be saying he shouldn't have killed them | ||
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Cush
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“Well hot female announcer, Snow is playing like fucking shit, have you seen the games???” Me paraphrasing the interview | ||
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United States6565 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:03 Cush wrote: “Sharp, how is Snow playing right now?” “Well hot female announcer, Snow is playing like fucking shit, have you seen the games???” Me paraphrasing the interview perty much | ||
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KobraKay
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Jk...but at least get one game man! CJ fighting! | ||
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Highgamer
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On September 01 2019 19:04 KobraKay wrote: Lets go Snow reverse "all-kill" him!!! Jk...but at least get one game man! CJ fighting! At this point it's Flash vs his wrists. | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4009 Posts
On September 01 2019 18:58 VioleTAK wrote: Hehe yeah All other Terrans are realizing how much they could potentially improve their game. You can watch Last, he's streaming himself watching the finals, he's mostly like 'ahhh...' 'ohhhh....' hehe, all of them are. Bisu's the same. Flash is on another level and that's 100% clear to everyone. When he's not playing anymore, the next 'strongest' players will always wonder how strong they really are compared to current Flash. As in that video from Nalra, players and coaches knew upon arrival of Flash he was a player the world have not seen before. This is a story just like from any fantasy book about a prophet, someone who does what was considered impossible by the very best | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:04 KobraKay wrote: Lets go Snow reverse "all-kill" him!!! Jk...but at least get one game man! CJ fighting! he's tried everything and everything has failed miserably lol. i can't imagine how demoralized he must be | ||
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Piste
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Seoul Qualifier: 2-0 ErOs_Lucider 2-0 eonzerg 2-0 815 ro24: W Soma L Sacsri W Soma ro16: W Soulkey W Sacsri Quarterfinals 3-1 Light Semifinals: 3-0 Rain Finals: atm 3-0 That is over 90% winrate. | ||
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Cush
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Yes Artosis, because we aren’t stupid. Anyone with eyes knows that no one can defeat God after seeing these last 3 games. | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:06 Piste wrote: ASL8 for Flash so far: Seoul Qualifier: 2-0 ErOs_Lucider 2-0 eonzerg 2-0 815 ro24: W Soma L Sacsri W Soma ro16: W Soulkey W Sacsri Quarterfinals 3-1 Light Semifinals: 3-0 Rain Finals: atm 3-0 That is over 90% winrate. Well if this ends 4-0 we can have a round of applause for Sacsri and Light. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:07 KobraKay wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On September 01 2019 19:06 Piste wrote: ASL8 for Flash so far: Seoul Qualifier: 2-0 ErOs_Lucider 2-0 eonzerg 2-0 815 ro24: W Soma L Sacsri W Soma ro16: W Soulkey W Sacsri Quarterfinals 3-1 Light Semifinals: 3-0 Rain Finals: atm 3-0 That is over 90% winrate. Well if this ends 4-0 we can have a round of applause for Sacsri and Light. I am confident Sacsri and Light are already ordering the "I took a map off of Flash" t-shirts. | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:06 lolfail9001 wrote: Man, i missed numbers on other maps, were they as scary as on this one? Flash's were roughly the same but Snow's were a lot better in previous maps. | ||
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Alejandrisha
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edit: no goon range expand? wtf is this good against | ||
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prosatan
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3rd cc right away | ||
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i wonder if his tears immediately freeze as they come out of his eyes | ||
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Cush
United States646 Posts
Edit: another went down from the turrets!!!! | ||
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prosatan
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Armory for Flash | ||
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goody153
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he must've been very threatened by that push | ||
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Alejandrisha
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On September 01 2019 19:17 goody153 wrote: i never saw flash with 1.6k floating minerals he must've been very threatened by that push mercy kill | ||
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fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium4009 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:17 goody153 wrote: i never saw flash with 1.6k floating minerals he must've been very threatened by that push he was saving for 1321324 factories | ||
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alypse
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Come on Flash! | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:18 alypse wrote: Snow's melting. Come on Flash! you're of a strange breed if you can't feel so bad for snow right now lol | ||
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On September 01 2019 19:20 alypse wrote: I can't coz I already felt pretty bad for Flash in his last final against Effort. fair enough | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:21 prosatan wrote: Another amazing thing is that Flash has 430+ apm in middle game! No wonder his wrists are dead. | ||
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superjoppe
Sweden3683 Posts
On September 01 2019 17:27 superjoppe wrote: Do you know which race had the fewest medals in OSL? Protoss Do you know which race had the most medals in OSL? Terran Do you know which race had the fewest medals in MSL? Protoss Do you know which race had the most medals in MSL? Terran The Ultimate Weapon playing a superior race. This is gonna be ezpz 4-0. Expz 4-0. | ||
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Goodbye Flash. It was truly an honour to watch you play. | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
Well earned 10th title! But he was so unimpressed after that 4th gg... even he felt this was anticlimactic? | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:21 Starlightsun wrote: Fucking PWNED... don't retire yet Flash! Nah, it's the perfect time to retire. Health is failing, you won your last tournament, have beaten the ASL 4-3, you can't find a better time to retire if you tried. | ||
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imBLIND
United States2626 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:21 KamMoye wrote: Glad I didn't stay up for this! I did x.x | ||
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Finland1838 Posts
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GTR
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On September 01 2019 19:22 Alejandrisha wrote: that was the most 1-sided finals i've ever seen. i dunno, jaedong vs yarnc in 2009 was pretty one sided too | ||
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lolfail9001
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On September 01 2019 19:22 Alejandrisha wrote: that was the most 1-sided finals i've ever seen. Now that you say it, it felt like Shine vs Flash was closer somehow. | ||
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goody153
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On September 01 2019 19:21 Starlightsun wrote: Fucking PWNED... don't retire yet Flash! Things looking bad for him as to continuing his career tbh. If i heard it correctly from tastosis that his doctor said that he just has to stop playing. And he has to go to military soon. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8025 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:23 GTR wrote: i dunno, jaedong vs yarnc in 2009 was pretty one sided too yesssss!!!! my thoughts exactly !!!!!!! | ||
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United States6565 Posts
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
GG's for all these years! You will be missed on these individual tournaments. | ||
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ggsimida
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G O A T | ||
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superjoppe
Sweden3683 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:22 TaardadAiel wrote: Poor Snow played like garbage. This is what many said about Rain as well... Neither played like garbage.. it’s just that you look like garbage when you play against the ultimate weapon. | ||
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Starecat
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Be comfy on your retirement Flash! On September 01 2019 19:22 Alejandrisha wrote: that was the most 1-sided finals i've ever seen. No, we had worst across both Starcrafts. | ||
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prosatan
Romania8025 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:23 CakeSauc3 wrote: Rain doesn't stop him. Snow can't either. Is there ANY form of precipitation that can? Idk about Rain or Snow! old veterans like Stork and Best are playing almost head to head vs flash in online matches! not to mention zero - he is a beast online these days | ||
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alypse
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Nah, it's the perfect time to retire. Health is failing, you won your last tournament, have beaten the ASL 4-3, you can't find a better time to retire if you tried. Agreed. His declining health + going out on a high note like this is the perfect time to retire. | ||
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goody153
44122 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:24 Alejandrisha wrote: happy travels to flash. the most GOAT of anything if i've ever seen anything and if i've ever seen a GOAT OG from dota2 and Lebron on basketball probably but yeah flash is one of the goatiest ever | ||
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VioleTAK
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Motivate
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VioleTAK
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Participated in 7 ASLs, won 4. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:25 Starecat wrote: YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Be comfy on your retirement Flash! No, we had worst across both Starcrafts. finals are generally disappointing. semifinals are where all the games at. but this finals in particular was rough. what didn't snow try to try and win? he did everything besides proxy reaver and you know flash would have immediately scouted and killed it with turrets like he did all of snow's observers all series O_O | ||
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Kommander
Philippines4950 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:27 Motivate wrote: how does snow convincingly beat flash in asl 5 then roll over and die tonight? hmmms The map pool in ASL 5 that was notoriously Protoss favored in TvP might have had something to do with it, I suppose. | ||
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Cush
United States646 Posts
No shit Sherlock | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:27 Motivate wrote: how does snow convincingly beat flash in asl 5 then roll over and die tonight? hmmms maps | ||
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Ayjayzee
9 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:26 goody153 wrote: OG from dota2 and Lebron on basketball probably but yeah flash is one of the goatiest ever I think Flash is pretty easily better than them. The only person you might compare him to is like Donald Bradman. Once-in-a-century kind of talent. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:27 Motivate wrote: how does snow convincingly beat flash in asl 5 then roll over and die tonight? hmmms Third World.. | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13006 Posts
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gondolin
France332 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:28 Ayjayzee wrote: I think Flash is pretty easily better than them. The only person you might compare him to is like Donald Bradman. Once-in-a-century kind of talent. i'd say flash is wilt chamberlain. maybe bill russell. what's in a comparison, anyway. he's a fuckin goat. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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VioleTAK
4315 Posts
I'm just happy Flash's last finals is a happy one. Flash legend forever | ||
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prosatan
Romania8025 Posts
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whaski
Finland577 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:25 superjoppe wrote: This is what many said about Rain as well... Neither played like garbage.. it’s just that you look like garbage when you play against the ultimate weapon. You think Snow played well in games 1 2 and 4? Game 3 was legit godmode but the lack of simcity and awfull recalls were not. Snow made so many mistakes, Rain played way better than Snow. | ||
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asel
Germany1599 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:27 Motivate wrote: how does snow convincingly beat flash in asl 5 then roll over and die tonight? hmmms It certainly wasn't the maps. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:31 prosatan wrote: 30 mil won means 24 690 us dollars that's quite a few clams. knowing kr culture he'll give it to his family and continue to live in a 1 bedroom apartment prob used to make way more in salary, anyway | ||
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Kau
Canada3500 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:23 GTR wrote: i dunno, jaedong vs yarnc in 2009 was pretty one sided too I was thinking of that series when /i read this comment haha | ||
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Highgamer
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:32 Kau wrote: I was thinking of that series when /i read this comment haha can't seem to find it on youtube. tell me one thing.. was it a zvz? | ||
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Kau
Canada3500 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
ggs. hope wrist/shoulder no hurt too much and gl in military if you get recruited | ||
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Starecat
937 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:27 Alejandrisha wrote: finals are generally disappointing. semifinals are where all the games at. but this finals in particular was rough. what didn't snow try to try and win? he did everything besides proxy reaver and you know flash would have immediately scouted and killed it with turrets like he did all of snow's observers all series O_O No this wasn't a 4-0 of completely destruction Snow tried everything but Flash had the answers I enjoyed the finals because against Rain it felt by game 3 Rain was just wanting to go home and rethink his play and practice. | ||
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Neemi
Netherlands656 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:34 Alejandrisha wrote: can't seem to find it on youtube. tell me one thing.. was it a zvz? Yes. GG FlaSh | ||
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VioleTAK
4315 Posts
Hope he sticks steaming to guide the rest. I'd expect he'll go up on stream soon, they usualy come back and immeidiately stream. | ||
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NoS-Craig
Australia3095 Posts
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Kau
Canada3500 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:34 Alejandrisha wrote: can't seem to find it on youtube. tell me one thing.. was it a zvz? + Show Spoiler [Games] + | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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polgas
Canada1752 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
Has a break, comes back dominates 4/8 ASLs. Boom. | ||
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Starecat
937 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Someday I will get my wet dream of FT10 like fighting games | ||
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Starecat
937 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:44 Qikz wrote: FlaSh is so dominant it's unreal and this is after the 4-5 year break everyone had with SC2. To think in the end of 2011 when FanTaSy slayed FlaSh it looked like flash was done - he lost to fantasy and jangbi in relatively quick succession and while his proleague results were insane it almost appeared as if he'd never win another tournament again. Has a break, comes back dominates 4/8 ASLs. Boom. couldn't agree more, dood | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:37 Neemi wrote: Yes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPODbg_DbLY&list=PLFC164B13C1B4CF22&index=2 GG FlaSh that intro tho xD | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:46 Starecat wrote: Btw we all should do a Sacsri body thread for being able to take a game xD Light did as well (3-1). | ||
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Lorch
Germany3682 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:31 prosatan wrote: 30 mil won means 24 690 us dollars He'll make at least as much from balloons on his victory stream (probably later tonight). Well done Flash. Way to go out with a bang. 10 Starleagues. Truly the greatest of all time. | ||
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Sorusaba
276 Posts
That game three, where everything seemed to be going right for Snow, Flash just comes in and slaps him down with the most perfect timing and a sublimely executed push. Will this be the last time we see this level of transcendent gameplay? I sure hope not. One thing's for sure: Flash is the God of Starcraft. | ||
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
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SenorChang
Australia4730 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On September 01 2019 20:18 SenorChang wrote: was this flash's last tourney for a while? His last solo tournament yes - he said he'll still play in teamleagues up until he goes to the army. | ||
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NicksonReyes
Philippines4431 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19238 Posts
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mishimaBeef
Canada2259 Posts
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JackyVSO
Denmark85 Posts
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Shalashaska_123
United States142 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgflip.com/39exj2.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgflip.com/39extd.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgflip.com/39ez4s.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgflip.com/39ezfi.jpg) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgflip.com/39ezw9.jpg) Congratulations, FlaSh! Others may not like one-sided finals, but I could watch you dominate all day long. Thank you for the hours of entertainment. You are a living legend. GG User was warned for this post. | ||
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Motivate
2860 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:28 Ayjayzee wrote: I think Flash is pretty easily better than them. The only person you might compare him to is like Donald Bradman. Once-in-a-century kind of talent. agreed on what you said the only person in ANY sport that i would equate to flash is Don Bradman. I know no one on TL follows cricket (because 'Murica) but Don Bradman's batting average is said to be the great achievement by statics in ANY sport. 99.94 is completely insane compared to the next highest which is probably around 60? can't believe people are trying to make the comparison of OG or Lebron to Flash lol. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On September 01 2019 22:17 Motivate wrote: agreed on what you said the only person in ANY sport that i would equate to flash is Don Bradman. I know no one on TL follows cricket (because 'Murica) but Don Bradman's batting average is said to be the great achievement by statics in ANY sport. 99.94 is completely insane compared to the next highest which is probably around 60? can't believe people are trying to make the comparison of OG or Lebron to Flash lol. Hm guys, what do you think of Rafael Nadal's 118-2 record in bo5 on clay including a 12-0 in grand finals at Roland Garros? Flash truly is the god of Brood War(would Letmelose agree he's above NaDa now?) but I'm not sold on him being the greatest Rts player: if we speak of greatness in a single Rts, Moon in Wc3 is pretty insane too and if we speak of ability to perform at the highest level in different Rts, Flash's sc2 career(not bad by any means) was too disappointing compared to his BW domination, I'd say Rain is better since he could be called best player in the world for a time in both Sc2 and BW. | ||
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art_of_turtle
United States1184 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:44 Starecat wrote: And I hope longer series continue, Bo7 is completely fine for modern BW. + Show Spoiler + Someday I will get my wet dream of FT10 like fighting games These guys have wrist problems and issues. 2 hours of straight gaming does a lot at that high level. I think instead of just playing Bo7 in 1 day, 3 Bo3 series spread out over 3 days would do better for preparation and recovery. | ||
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Geographer
United States185 Posts
What tactics or strategies could Snow have employed to even the series? He never used DTs or storm drops. | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
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Terrorbladder
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Motivate
2860 Posts
On September 01 2019 22:28 Xain0n wrote: Hm guys, what do you think of Rafael Nadal's 118-2 record in bo5 on clay including a 12-0 in grand finals at Roland Garros? i think it's pretty unfair to take a specific part of a player's performance into account | ||
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
Flash's games will always be in my memory | ||
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
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Shindobaddo
6 Posts
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1707 Posts
I would tell that person to think of the most perfect player they can possibly imagine. Macro. Micro. Multitasking. Decision-making. Everything. Flawless. Then visualize that player go up against Flash and get completely destroyed like he was no better than you or me. GG | ||
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prosatan
Romania8025 Posts
On September 01 2019 23:00 StarscreamG1 wrote: Where's the youtube VOD? :-( I found this on youtube | ||
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lepape
Canada557 Posts
Every game seemed like Flash was maphacking. Unbelievable game sense and timing with his pushes. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
Today's finals was the only appropriate manner for the most dominant bw player to cement his legacy. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19238 Posts
On September 02 2019 00:40 ggrrg wrote: Since Flash became a bw pro, there have been 36 Starleagues (OSL+MSL+ASL+KSL). Him winning 10 of those is an absolutely mind-boggling achievement. Today's finals was the only appropriate manner for the most dominant bw player to cement his legacy. Subtract the ones he didnt participate in please. Also list the number of finals appearances. That would make the stats very interesting. | ||
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
Starcraft 2 stopped being able to hold my attention around 2014 when WCS fell apart and some of my favourite casters and hosts moved up the eSports broadcasting career ladder and disappeared off-screen. A few years later I noticed that competitive Brood War was back in form after AfreecaTV singlehandedly revived it, and I started watching Brood War again. The first few seasons were rough, with a lot of newer players trying their hand at the game and struggling to defeat the few old school pros that had never really stopped playing. Having to watch a 640x480 game in the second decade of the 21st century also kind of hurt the eyes. However, it has been smooth sailing ever since Starcraft: Remastered came out. Broadcasting got a lot better, Tasteless and Artosis are better than ever, and the level of gameplay on display is staggeringly high. It's been a rush seeing Flash dominate ASL after ASL, and I'm looking forward to seeing how Season 9 will turn out without Flash being the insurmountable roadblock that he is to many players. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
On September 02 2019 00:48 BisuDagger wrote: Subtract the ones he didnt participate in please. Also list the number of finals appearances. That would make the stats very interesting. I imagine Flash did not miss out on any OSL and MSL. He never played in KSL (so -3 here) and skipped one ASL due to health issues. He only has 3 silver medals - one in each of OSL, MSL and ASL. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On September 01 2019 23:40 Jackal03 wrote: The only sad thing about flash's retirement is that there is no one to substitute him. That's also the zerg problem No one could replace Flash, but I agree if you just mean top Terran; Light might evolve into a very strong player now that his TvP seems fixed and Fantasy said 2019 might be his last year in sc2, he could come back to BW. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On September 02 2019 00:48 maartendq wrote: I still remember watching the GOMTV Averatec-Intel classic VODs in 240p (or was it 360p) around 2008-2009. If I recall correctly people were already talking about Flash as this insanely talented 15-year-old. A decade later and he's turned into the best player competitive Brood War has ever known. That was what got me back into BW too. The Flash vs Stork finals, and Tasteless doing and English cast was a real novelty. I remember Flash winning two games on Katrina in huge goliath vs carrier battles... Amazing how he's just gotten better and better. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66161 Posts
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Moridin
Bulgaria164 Posts
I also started watching BW with the GOMTV Averatec-Intel and for all these and newer BW fans you can find some great 240/360 games here, all from the GOMTV competitions: https://www.youtube.com/user/MickeyToss/videos (Flash vs Memory is great, F vs Stork of course and apparently all F vs J) BTW you can also see how much Tasteless improved | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
GOD YOUNG HO FOREVER! ULTIMATE WEAPON HWAITING! On September 01 2019 19:27 Motivate wrote: how does snow convincingly beat flash in asl 5 then roll over and die tonight? hmmms Got lucky getting 1st and last maps as Third World but he also won a sick tiring neck-o-neck game on Gladiator. On September 01 2019 21:08 NicksonReyes wrote: Definitely a better temporary end to his BW career than the last time in 2012 where he was already being overshadowed by Fantasy. We fucking need terrorist terran back but guess he's doing OK'ish on GSL although nothing compared to his end KeSPA dominance. | ||
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Versita
Canada1032 Posts
On September 02 2019 01:06 ggrrg wrote: I imagine Flash did not miss out on any OSL and MSL. He never played in KSL (so -3 here) and skipped one ASL due to health issues. He only has 3 silver medals - one in each of OSL, MSL and ASL. He didn't miss any MSL since his first one at the GOMTV MSL Season 3 and didn't miss any OSL since the Daum OSL. So he won 3 of 11 MSLs, 3 of 13 OSLs, 4 of 7 ASLs that he participated in. He also won 2 of the 4 GOMTV events. I'm really going to miss watching Flash play in tournaments. It's always an absolute pleasure. | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
On September 02 2019 02:42 Versita wrote: He didn't miss any MSL since his first one at the GOMTV MSL Season 3 and didn't miss any OSL since the Daum OSL. So he won 3 of 11 MSLs, 3 of 13 OSLs, 4 of 7 ASLs that he participated in. He also won 2 of the 4 GOMTV events. I'm really going to miss watching Flash play in tournaments. It's always an absolute pleasure. + WCG which was considered a premiere thing back then. EDIT: Let's not say this is end of an era, I'm sure FlaSh will be back after some time, I have that feeling. Years pass so quick, it's already 2 years since SC:R came out. Instead let this amazing human/god being to inspire us at everything we do. EDIT2: Anyone noticed unimpressed FlaSh mom and dad somewhere at 02:43:40? And that girl is his GF. | ||
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Nukid
United States240 Posts
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fearthequeen
United States787 Posts
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maartendq
Belgium3115 Posts
On September 02 2019 02:28 Moridin wrote: Flash showed again his dominance.Really felt bad for everyone trying to hype this final when it's all about GOD and his skills. I also started watching BW with the GOMTV Averatec-Intel and for all these and newer BW fans you can find some great 240/360 games here, all from the GOMTV competitions: https://www.youtube.com/user/MickeyToss/videos (Flash vs Memory is great, F vs Stork of course and apparently all F vs J) BTW you can also see how much Tasteless improved I still wish he'd sneak in a pandabearguy remark into one of the casts, just as an easter egg. Also, if we could have SuperDanielMan back for even one game, that'd be great. Just for old time's sake. | ||
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
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Jackal03
Brazil7469 Posts
On September 02 2019 01:13 Xain0n wrote: No one could replace Flash, but I agree if you just mean top Terran; Light might evolve into a very strong player now that his TvP seems fixed and Fantasy said 2019 might be his last year in sc2, he could come back to BW. Yeah, i mean substitute in top terran, no one will ever be like flash (probably) | ||
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Lazyer
United States342 Posts
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TiQ.SinGi
Norway385 Posts
4 ASLs and even more impressive; he has won those ASLs in every matchup: TvT (vs Sea) TvZ (vs Shine, Hero) TvP (vs Snow). And he has won every premier BW tournament (ASL, MSL, OSL, WCG, GOMTV Classic's). I'm really thrilled he won. He came to win. He prepeared to win. I think Flash will be back for more, at some point. He is just that good. It doesn't matter if he is away, if he comes back he will dominate again. The games from the finals, and his run through this tournament. He is just that step above the rest. His TvP is a monster. So many times during the finals I thought Flash could just as well have typed the infamous "this is many tank yes?" His army + upgrades.. I think Snow was lacking in upgrades, and he didn't seem interested in upping his play with HT's either... A little strange. Especially when he went for Arbiter tech. All the other games was variants of reaver into carrier or straight carrier-builds. Kinda sad to say.. but Flash had his number from game one, and I think Snow got a bit demoralized as this series unfolded. Losing observers, goons, letting vultures eat all the probes. Anyways, GG's. Flash is forever legend. | ||
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Barneyk
Sweden305 Posts
On September 02 2019 06:36 TiQ.SinGi wrote: And he has won every premier BW tournament (ASL, MSL, OSL, WCG, GOMTV Classic's). The KSL should be a considered a premier BW tournament as well, shouldn't it? I mean, Flash didn't join any of the seasons did he? But still, that is the one title he "lacks". | ||
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PanoRaMa
United States5069 Posts
On September 02 2019 04:45 ProxyKnoxy wrote: Flash dropped 2 games the whole tourney Just one, I believe. It was the game vs Light where Flash should've won anyway and it took the most epic comeback of modern BW for Light to win. _That_ was the only game Flash lost. Watching Flash's dominance over the past 10 years has been incredible. He's such a likeable player too. I remember dismissing him at first because I thought he was just some 15 year old who was only winning games against "real" players because he was cheesing. Then he became the macro god. Then he became god. What an unparalleled talent. We're so lucky Flash decided to play Brood War. | ||
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AntiHack
Switzerland553 Posts
On September 02 2019 06:59 Barneyk wrote: The KSL should be a considered a premier BW tournament as well, shouldn't it? I mean, Flash didn't join any of the seasons did he? But still, that is the one title he "lacks". Who knows maybe one day #dreamsarefree | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13006 Posts
On September 02 2019 08:15 PanoRaMa wrote: Just one, I believe. It was the game vs Light where Flash should've won anyway and it took the most epic comeback of modern BW for Light to win. _That_ was the only game Flash lost. Watching Flash's dominance over the past 10 years has been incredible. He's such a likeable player too. I remember dismissing him at first because I thought he was just some 15 year old who was only winning games against "real" players because he was cheesing. Then he became the macro god. Then he became god. What an unparalleled talent. We're so lucky Flash decided to play Brood War. He lost a game to Sacsri too. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
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AgentRabbits
7 Posts
On September 02 2019 13:25 Scaramanga wrote: Is there a vod with English/Korean commentary? I can't find any full vods apart from the one posted in here, would prefer to watch not with another commentator over the top http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/47343188 | ||
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Neemi
Netherlands656 Posts
On September 02 2019 00:48 BisuDagger wrote: Subtract the ones he didnt participate in please. Also list the number of finals appearances. That would make the stats very interesting. EDIT: Forgot about PDPop MSL, everything adjusted accordingly Even more interesting if you start counting from 2010: Kespa: EVER OSL (1st) Nate MSL (2nd) Korean Air OSL (2nd) Hana Daetoo Securities MSL (1st) Bigfile MSL (1st) Korean Air OSL Season 2 (1st) (Won WCG 2010 too) PDPop MSL (Ro32) Bacchus OSL (Ro16) ABC Mart MSL (1st) JinAir OSL (Ro8) Tving OSL (Ro4) ASL: Season 1 (Ro8) Season 2 (1st) Season 3 (1st) Season 4 (1st) Season 5 (Ro8) Season 6 (2nd) Season 8 (1st) So in his career, that's 10/33 starleague wins, and 13/33 finals. If you include the 4 seasons of GSL & WCG, that's 13/38 wins and 17/38 finals. From 2010 forward, that's 9/18 starleague wins, and 12/18 finals. If you include WCG, that's 10/19 wins and 13/19 finals. Bacchus OSL 2010 & PDPop MSL 2010 are the only times he didn't advance from the group stages, losing to Kal & Hyuk in OSL and losing to Classic & sSak in MSL. Only players to stop him in series: Jaedong, Effort (x2), Jangbi, Fantasy, Last, Snow. That's a pretty elite list of vT players. | ||
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bruticus18
Philippines1 Post
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Rus_Brain
Russian Federation1893 Posts
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
What a legacy statement that series was! | ||
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Brainojack
Canada195 Posts
On September 02 2019 16:41 Neemi wrote: Even more interesting if you start counting from 2010: Kespa: EVER OSL (1st) Nate MSL (2nd) Korean Air OSL (2nd) Hana Daetoo Securities MSL (1st) Bigfile MSL (1st) Korean Air OSL Season 2 (1st) (Won WCG 2010 too) Bacchus OSL (Ro16) ABC Mart MSL (1st) JinAir OSL (Ro8) Tving OSL (Ro4) ASL: Season 1 (Ro8) Season 2 (1st) Season 3 (1st) Season 4 (1st) Season 5 (Ro8) Season 6 (2nd) Season 8 (1st) So in his career, that's 10/32 starleague wins, and 13/32 finals. If you include the 4 seasons of GSL & WCG, that's 13/37 wins and 17/37 finals. From 2010 forward, that's 9/17 starleague wins, and 12/17 finals. If you include WCG, that's 10/18 wins and 13/18 finals. Bacchus OSL 2010 is the only time he didn't advance from the group stages, losing to both Kal & Hyuk. Only players to stop him in series: Jaedong, Effort (x2), Jangbi, Fantasy, Last, Snow. That's a pretty elite list of vT players. Flash retirement/hiatus? More like balance patching hosagi | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On September 02 2019 16:41 Neemi wrote: Even more interesting if you start counting from 2010: Kespa: EVER OSL (1st) Nate MSL (2nd) Korean Air OSL (2nd) Hana Daetoo Securities MSL (1st) Bigfile MSL (1st) Korean Air OSL Season 2 (1st) (Won WCG 2010 too) Bacchus OSL (Ro16) ABC Mart MSL (1st) JinAir OSL (Ro8) Tving OSL (Ro4) ASL: Season 1 (Ro8) Season 2 (1st) Season 3 (1st) Season 4 (1st) Season 5 (Ro8) Season 6 (2nd) Season 8 (1st) So in his career, that's 10/32 starleague wins, and 13/32 finals. If you include the 4 seasons of GSL & WCG, that's 13/37 wins and 17/37 finals. From 2010 forward, that's 9/17 starleague wins, and 12/17 finals. If you include WCG, that's 10/18 wins and 13/18 finals. Bacchus OSL 2010 is the only time he didn't advance from the group stages, losing to both Kal & Hyuk. Only players to stop him in series: Jaedong, Effort (x2), Jangbi, Fantasy, Last, Snow. That's a pretty elite list of vT players. This is missing an MSL early exit before the final MSL he won. Still an incredible list. | ||
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Artas1984
Lithuania119 Posts
On September 01 2019 19:23 Kommander wrote: Lol Flash just grabbed the trophy, did a 5-second trophy raise, and went back to his station to drink water. So matter-of-fact lol. He grabbed it like it was his from the beginning. Like ''let's just not waste anymore time'', ''we all know i was to win''. Not surprisingly the youtube video, is once again, removed, but there is one in afreeca tv site. Typically the grand final match would get copied more often through-out other channels. Such a shame that even the final match got castrated by youtube's policies... | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
On September 02 2019 12:56 Dante08 wrote: Snow is more of an early to mid game player in PvT, utilizing reavers and various Protoss tricks to gain an advantage then smashing Terran in late game but his actual late game PvT is not that great. From the games I've seen Flash play only Best and sometimes Stork give Flash trouble in late game. As you've seen in the series Flash got into the late game pretty comfortably and was able to crush through. I wouldn't say "comfortably" is particularly accurate for games 2 and 3. On Neo Sylphid Flash was in no position to harm Snow in any way after the early game set back. He focused on denying Snow any chance to finish him off or even doing any more damage. On Tripod Flash did not look in a good position at all, so he had to device a timing attack to snap Snow's neck before things got completely out of control. So I don't think Flash was cruising comfortably into the late game. If anything, I'd say that despite being put in uncomfortable positions Flash managed to do everything correctly in order to make it look like Snow was a level below him. | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1685 Posts
Oh wait he didnt LMAO Maybe yall finally will give Rain some respect | ||
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KamMoye
United States721 Posts
On September 03 2019 04:21 Artas1984 wrote: Not surprisingly the youtube video, is once again, removed, but there is one in afreeca tv site. Typically the grand final match would get copied more often through-out other channels. Such a shame that even the final match got castrated by youtube's policies... R.I.P Brood War These finals were terrible and anti-climactic though. No one is missing much. | ||
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[AS]Rattus
427 Posts
flash is just this mythical being that cannot be touched. | ||
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sM.Zik
Canada2547 Posts
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1707 Posts
On September 03 2019 10:21 sM.Zik wrote: I'm just stunned that FlaSh only apparent tiny weakness might be against Zergs, he makes TvP looks so easy. Yet the balance whining between P and Z is incomparable. | ||
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reincremate
China2213 Posts
Afreeca really puts a lot of work into the production quality of the ASL and I'm really grateful that there is still this level of dedication to BW in 2019. The passion that goes into this game was palpable when I was sitting in the stands. I wish I could better articulate how lucky I feel to have been able to experience this moment in BW history. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11047 Posts
On September 02 2019 12:56 Dante08 wrote: Snow is more of an early to mid game player in PvT, utilizing reavers and various Protoss tricks to gain an advantage then smashing Terran in late game but his actual late game PvT is not that great. From the games I've seen Flash play only Best and sometimes Stork give Flash trouble in late game. As you've seen in the series Flash got into the late game pretty comfortably and was able to crush through. It feels like a lot of protoss have forgotten how to execute old fashioned late game pvt versus giant tank armies with the depots etc. Though yeah it doesn't count with Flash. He just looks flawless. | ||
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lpajax
3 Posts
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
On September 03 2019 12:30 lpajax wrote: Any idea when Afreeca is going to post the final? it has been close to 48 hrs trying to stay spoiler free which is pretty much "mission impossible" and is also frustrating. thanks You are doing it wrong, game was uploaded soon after the finals in Afreeca and youtube. Of course Youtube blocked it but you can find it in afreeca platform. The link is somewhere in this thread, or you may just make a search in afreeca for "aslenglish". I know because I saw it that way. | ||
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Ideas
United States8099 Posts
With his retirement we really are losing a lot :\ . Thanks for showing us what's possible Flash. Hope you recover your health and go through your military service smoothly. | ||
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lpajax
3 Posts
anyone know a way to get the time and time bar away on afreeca? | ||
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onlystar
United States971 Posts
well i guess the injuries will just slowly pass over when he doesn't has to be behind a keyboard allday. pumping out insane apm . | ||
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
On September 03 2019 14:31 onlystar wrote: so how can someone with these kinds of injuries be suited for the militairy ? well i guess the injuries will just slowly pass over when he doesn't has to be behind a keyboard allday. pumping out insane apm .military doesnt mean everyone is a foot soldier. lower medical grade- >some 9-5 desk job in the civil service | ||
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Varanice
United States1517 Posts
On September 02 2019 00:40 lepape wrote: Those two tanks sieging the hidden expo in game 3, waiting there for 2 minutes while the 4 Dragoons walked the long path to reach them, then he unsieged and left two seconds before the Dragoons were in line of sight. Any other Terran in the world would have lost those tanks. Every game seemed like Flash was maphacking. Unbelievable game sense and timing with his pushes. that gave me chills | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1461 Posts
On September 03 2019 10:21 sM.Zik wrote: I'm just stunned that FlaSh only apparent tiny weakness might be against Zergs, he makes TvP looks so easy. TvZ might be his strongest matchup. Between his two 2-3 losses to EffOrt (Korean Air Starleague 2010 and ASL6), Flash only lost one TvZ series. That was almost a decade of being undefeated outside of Bo1s. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
Well played Flash. Rough for Snow fans. Would still recommend the finals though and hopefully we see Flash play 1v1 in the future again. This win further confirms that Flash is the GOAT in BW, above Nada and the rest. The guy that re-fueled all the tesagi talk lol. Good thing Tesagi doesn't exist. | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1558 Posts
On September 04 2019 00:18 LightSpectra wrote: TvZ might be his strongest matchup. For sure, this race don't have players of EffOrt's calibre. Protoss getting wrecked is a good thing for Earth and Mankind in general. | ||
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Nukid
United States240 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
Here we can see Stork killing all but the middle egg, which makes it easier for dragoons but tanks still trip over. Also, he had standing army while going for the carriers expanding to both directions keeping the one further. The pylon stop at the third, untaken main base was genius move as well. Don't misunderstand me, I know this game is nothing like it would have been were they playing offline but there are still some example steps here that show how to lead win v Flash. (Also, observers.) | ||
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J. Corsair
United States470 Posts
On September 03 2019 11:33 reincremate wrote: I flew to Korea to watch this finals, and it was an enthralling experience. Despite the one-sided result, it was a beauty to watch Flash play his god-level TvP, the matchup that initially launched him to fame, on the biggest stage for the last time. What a great way for the greatest player of all time to go out. Afreeca really puts a lot of work into the production quality of the ASL and I'm really grateful that there is still this level of dedication to BW in 2019. The passion that goes into this game was palpable when I was sitting in the stands. I wish I could better articulate how lucky I feel to have been able to experience this moment in BW history. That is really awesome. You'll remember that forever. Thanks for sharing. | ||
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WilliamBlue
26 Posts
The guy that re-fueled all the tesagi talk lol. Good thing Tesagi doesn't exist. I think it is not down to Tesagi but rather Flashsagi instead. His read on the game as well as his timing push is what other Terran players need to learn from, especially versus Protoss. In my opinion, Protoss was at its weakest during the period of transitioning to Carriers (or when the Carrier count is low) and that was when Flash delivers the killing blow on game 3. That said, I think the best PvTer of all time is Jangbi. Snow lost the mind games and seems to crack under pressure, perhaps he was nervous against Flash. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On September 04 2019 13:04 WilliamBlue wrote: I think it is not down to Tesagi but rather Flashsagi instead. His read on the game as well as his timing push is what other Terran players need to learn from, especially versus Protoss. ... I wonder how much is learnable and how much is Flash's uncanny abilities to predict what's coming and make the best choice under pressure. It's one thing to analyze outside of the game but it's just amazing how great his decision making is even during intense micro/macro. That's why Flash is so scary going in to late game because he doesn't seem to succumb to the mental burden of increased management requirements as much as other players. My favorite Flash matchups were the super long tvts where he just continues to make solid little decisions while the opponent slowly breaks down. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On September 04 2019 14:47 Starlightsun wrote: I wonder how much is learnable and how much is Flash's uncanny abilities to predict what's coming and make the best choice under pressure. It's one thing to analyze outside of the game but it's just amazing how great his decision making is even during intense micro/macro. That's why Flash is so scary going in to late game because he doesn't seem to succumb to the mental burden of increased management requirements as much as other players. My favorite Flash matchups were the super long tvts where he just continues to make solid little decisions while the opponent slowly breaks down. That was the amazing thing about FanTaSy though, in TvT he seemed to somehow always have a way to throw FlaSh off even in the lategame. The tving OSL semi finals were a perfect example of that and it just goes to show how someone who plays in a completely opposite style to Flash can beat him. | ||
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ggsimida
1148 Posts
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Barneyk
Sweden305 Posts
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Caihead
Canada8550 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13006 Posts
On September 05 2019 07:54 Barneyk wrote: Jangbi and Fantasy are both dearly missed on the BW scene imo. :/ I agree. Probably Soo too (he was breaking out before switching to SC2). Flash is without equal but it’s a shame many of his strongest competitors never came back to BW. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4128 Posts
On September 05 2019 07:54 Barneyk wrote: Jangbi and Fantasy are both dearly missed on the BW scene imo. :/ Didn't Jangbi come back for awhile and then left to manage his family business? | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 05 2019 13:14 Dante08 wrote: Didn't Jangbi come back for awhile and then left to manage his family business? He came back for a while during SSL in 2014/15, lost to Larva in one of those (can't remember if he played in more than one SSL atm), then eventually "left" and then came back and made that statement about leaving the scene for good and wanting to continue the family business instead. It's too bad, but if he wasn't motivated to try and make it as one of the best Protosses, there's not much that can be done. | ||
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asel
Germany1599 Posts
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VioleTAK
4315 Posts
On September 03 2019 11:33 reincremate wrote: I flew to Korea to watch this finals, and it was an enthralling experience. Despite the one-sided result, it was a beauty to watch Flash play his god-level TvP, the matchup that initially launched him to fame, on the biggest stage for the last time. What a great way for the greatest player of all time to go out. Afreeca really puts a lot of work into the production quality of the ASL and I'm really grateful that there is still this level of dedication to BW in 2019. The passion that goes into this game was palpable when I was sitting in the stands. I wish I could better articulate how lucky I feel to have been able to experience this moment in BW history. Congratulations, I'm happy it was an awesome experience for you. You got to see Flash's final official bow. A complete 4-0 domination as it should be tbh, that's current Flash, and that's what you got to see, and you are right to be grateful, I envy you could see that live Amazing. | ||
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polgas
Canada1752 Posts
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TiQ.SinGi
Norway385 Posts
On September 02 2019 06:59 Barneyk wrote: The KSL should be a considered a premier BW tournament as well, shouldn't it? I mean, Flash didn't join any of the seasons did he? But still, that is the one title he "lacks". I could have edited and said "premier tournaments" that he entered. KSL is a high profiled tournament for sure. But this is just academic. Flash didn't play in any of the KSL's, and while I really enjoyed watching KSL, if the absolute best choose not play in a championship, then your statement is debatable^^ | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
On September 06 2019 17:54 TiQ.SinGi wrote: I could have edited and said "premier tournaments" that he entered. KSL is a high profiled tournament for sure. But this is just academic. Flash didn't play in any of the KSL's, and while I really enjoyed watching KSL, if the absolute best choose not play in a championship, then your statement is debatable^^ One could argue there are reasons beyond the tournament profile behind such decisions in the streamer era. Your argument is still valid, of course. | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
On September 06 2019 17:54 TiQ.SinGi wrote: I could have edited and said "premier tournaments" that he entered. KSL is a high profiled tournament for sure. But this is just academic. Flash didn't play in any of the KSL's, and while I really enjoyed watching KSL, if the absolute best choose not play in a championship, then your statement is debatable^^ I understand your point about KSL. However, given its prize and player pools there are certainly some reasons to call it a premier tournament. Not to mention that it listed as such in liquipedia. More importantly, if we assumed that KSL cannot claim to be a premier tournament, then GOMTV Classic can hardly be called one either. In season 1, 5 pro teams did not send their players to participate, in season 2, 3 pro teams did not send any of their players, and in season 3 there were again several pro teams that did not let their players participate. Most notably, SKT did not let their players compete in seasons 1 and 3 of GOMTV Classic. | ||
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mcmartini
Australia1972 Posts
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1166 Posts
On September 06 2019 20:20 ggrrg wrote: I understand your point about KSL. However, given its prize and player pools there are certainly some reasons to call it a premier tournament. Not to mention that it listed as such in liquipedia. More importantly, if we assumed that KSL cannot claim to be a premier tournament, then GOMTV Classic can hardly be called one either. In season 1, 5 pro teams did not send their players to participate, in season 2, 3 pro teams did not send any of their players, and in season 3 there were again several pro teams that did not let their players participate. Most notably, SKT did not let their players compete in seasons 1 and 3 of GOMTV Classic. Bisu recently stated that he won't participate in KSL most probably, because "of their approach to the players" - whatever that means... The top Koreans don't feel tempted to participate. | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On September 08 2019 20:34 BlueStar wrote: Bisu recently stated that he won't participate in KSL most probably, because "of their approach to the players" - whatever that means... The top Koreans don't feel tempted to participate. Top Koreans aka Flash and a washed out Bisu? That doesn't sound quite right to me... | ||
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FakeFin
Germany392 Posts
On September 09 2019 06:33 Kaolla wrote: Top Koreans aka Flash and a washed out Bisu? That doesn't sound quite right to me... EffOrt never tried to qualify either | ||
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1166 Posts
On September 09 2019 06:33 Kaolla wrote: Top Koreans aka Flash and a washed out Bisu? That doesn't sound quite right to me... It may not sound quite right but it is the truth. | ||
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Barneyk
Sweden305 Posts
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v1p3r52
New Zealand182 Posts
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Highways
Australia6103 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On October 21 2019 07:14 Highways wrote: Anyone know where I can find the English vods for this match? http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/47343188 blind-rawr maybe add this to op. so easier to see+ Show Spoiler + flash pwn noobs | ||
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Highways
Australia6103 Posts
Anyway to download that? I'm currently overseas and only have my phone | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On October 22 2019 17:36 Highways wrote: Thanks! Anyway to download that? I'm currently overseas and only have my phone idk how to do that i can barely buffer afreeca streams live. | ||
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