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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8108 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-14 22:38:43
August 14 2019 22:34 GMT
#101
On August 15 2019 01:10 QOGQOG wrote:
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On August 15 2019 00:10 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Guys who do you think the stronger Protoss is between Snow and Rain? Like I know Rain is the best PvP player and always wins Snow. But PvZ and PvT, to me, it seems like Snow is the better player. I remember Snow outplaying Jaedong PvZ in a recent tour. And Snow also beat Flash to win an ASL albeit on P favored maps. What is others opinions? Thanks.

I'm a big Snow fan, so a little biased, but I think Snow is stronger on the whole. While he doesn't have the titles, if it weren't for having to PvP Rain, he probably would have won ASL5 and KSL3--he eliminated the defending champions in both.

PvP: Rain is way better than everyone else. Snow is arguably second best, but it's a wide gap. Advantage: Rain.

PvZ: The last time Rain faced a high end zerg was him going 0-3 against Effort in ASL7. Snow recently won 3-1 against Soulkey in KSL3 (also beat him in ASL7). Effort is/was better and more consistent than Soulkey, but I don't know of any time where Rain actually defeated a great zerg. Probably the weakest matchup for both of them, though both have gotten better over time, especially Snow who used to always lose. Advantage: Snow.

PvT: Snow is the only one to defeat Flash, but Rain hasn't ever faced him offline. They've both had some inconsistency: Snow has a habit of getting knocked out of qualifiers by low-tier terrans, while Rain has a more back-and-forth record vs, say, Last, while Snow consistently stomps. There's some rivalry between Rain and Sharp as well, whereas Snow won easily against Sharp the one time they played (KSL1).

However, Snow is the stronger of the two because Snow has never lost a series to a terran in ASL or KSL. The only time I'm aware of that Snow was eliminated by a terran is when he got proxied by Last in a Bo1 in ASL7. Advantage: Snow.

All that said, the Ro4 matchups will probably show us a lot: they're each essentially facing harder versions of the other's Ro8 matches.


Yeah that analysis seems pretty apt. Rain is undoubtedly the best PvPer of the era. Snow seems to have the best PvT (I'd put rain at a close second). Both can have incredibly strong PvZ but are also inconsistent in it (which basically goes for mini as well, who actually might have the strongest pvz when he's not tilted, at least until Bisu gets back in shape).
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13018 Posts
August 15 2019 04:37 GMT
#102
I think Flash will wreck Rain. Not sure if such a hot take but I’d be surprised if he took more than 1 game.
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TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
August 15 2019 11:18 GMT
#103
Last time Rain tried to outmindgame a Terran, he lost to Last.

Let's see if he tries to do that again.

And I agree with QOGQOG's assessment, especially considering PvZ. Snow has improved immensely.
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Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
August 16 2019 11:15 GMT
#104
On August 15 2019 20:18 TaardadAiel wrote:
Last time Rain tried to outmindgame a Terran, he lost to beat Last in KSL3.

Let's see if he tries to do that again.

And I agree with QOGQOG's assessment, especially considering PvZ. Snow has improved immensely.

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Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-17 03:18:05
August 16 2019 15:16 GMT
#105
Looks like Action might not play next round because his appendix burst. Spoilered meme below.
superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3683 Posts
August 16 2019 17:08 GMT
#106
On August 15 2019 13:37 RowdierBob wrote:
I think Flash will wreck Rain. Not sure if such a hot take but I’d be surprised if he took more than 1 game.

Considering Flash will stop tournaments due to elevated body pain, I’ll vote for Rain.
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-16 18:47:22
August 16 2019 18:36 GMT
#107
Flash is barely playing anymore. Rain is practicing PvT nonstop, he's got a good chance. I think the series will be amazing and close under the overall current situation. I still give the edge to Flash, but it might be close, which is awesome
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KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-19 04:24:15
August 19 2019 04:21 GMT
#108
Are you watching? Flash completely dominates every time he's in KCM. It's unfair. Watch him dismantle the "next best" in the most recent KCM. Complete joke. Flash has been playing a different game for a long time. He's ~80% to win in any individual match.

He simply doesn't have a weakness. Army movement. Macro. Micro. Tactics. Strategy. Experience. Short games, long games. He seems virtually cheese-proof.

A lot of things went right for ZerO and Best v Flash this week in KCM. Didn't matter. It just didn't matter. Best friggin' 12 nexuses in a cross position. The best macro toss in the world with the optimal opening vs the best player in the world. It still didn't matter.

Rain has the best chance of anyone. Not saying much, though. I predict 3-1 Flash.

On August 17 2019 00:16 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Looks like Action might not play next round because his appendix burst. Spoilered meme below.



Awful news. Gotta feel for the guy. Flash will be winning this for his old KT Rolster buddy Action.
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