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TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-13 13:57:12
August 13 2019 11:58 GMT
#61
On August 13 2019 20:24 Jackal03 wrote:
Sacsri was very nervous, perhaps he was afraid of rain

He should work on his nerves, you can never be a champion if you don't have the right mindset

Nothing too unexpected, that's his first ASL elimination match and he's up against the arguably best player in the world.

Rain played 14 games against Action on Saturday and won 8-6. Rain is just Rain, he struggles online against the top zergs and then when he has to prepare for a big match, he goes and comfortably outplays Action. This guy's head is huge.
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Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
August 13 2019 12:33 GMT
#62
On August 13 2019 20:58 TaardadAiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2019 20:24 Jackal03 wrote:
Sacsri was very nervous, perhaps he was afraid of rain

He should work on his nerves, you can never be a champion if you don't have the right mindset

Nothing too unexpected, that's his first ASL elimination match and he's up against the arguably best player in the world.

He played 14 games against Action on Saturday and won 8-6. Rain is just Rain, he struggles online against the top zergs and then when he has to prepare for a big match, he goes and comfortably outplays Action. This guy's head is huge.


Good to know, I hope he rises up and become a top zerg, we are missing great zerg players after effort left and jaedong is not top anymore
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TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
August 13 2019 12:44 GMT
#63
He's almost there, to be honest. He's improved tremendously in recent tournaments. Remember he beat Mini 3-0 and then narrowly lost the rematch 2-3 when Mini was in probably the best form of his career so far, particularly in PvZ. I don't think know if he has the psyche for the biggest of stages though.

But Rain is really peculiar, I sometimes think he's not entirely human. I mean, he's 4-10 vs Action in July, he loses left and right to ZerO and JD in early August and then he just decides he needs to up his game, plays 14 damn games in a row against same Action and defeats him. I am slightly worried for Flash, although I still consider him the favourite.
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Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
August 13 2019 12:54 GMT
#64
That was quick.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1056 Posts
August 13 2019 14:11 GMT
#65
The first game of the series was one of the most impressive PvZ game ive seen and i feel like this is an under statement.
I watched it again, i am not even sure i can point out a single thing that Rain could have done better.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8108 Posts
August 13 2019 14:58 GMT
#66
On August 13 2019 21:44 TaardadAiel wrote:
He's almost there, to be honest. He's improved tremendously in recent tournaments. Remember he beat Mini 3-0 and then narrowly lost the rematch 2-3 when Mini was in probably the best form of his career so far, particularly in PvZ. I don't think know if he has the psyche for the biggest of stages though.

But Rain is really peculiar, I sometimes think he's not entirely human. I mean, he's 4-10 vs Action in July, he loses left and right to ZerO and JD in early August and then he just decides he needs to up his game, plays 14 damn games in a row against same Action and defeats him. I am slightly worried for Flash, although I still consider him the favourite.


I think Action has a pretty good shot at taking down Snow in the Ro4. I'd only put Snow at a 55% advantage. I don't think Action has the mechanics of an effort or SK to be a real tournament winner yet, but he's definitely a competent series player and very tricky.

Rain played basically perfectly today? Sacscri definitely had some nerves issues :\.

The Ro4 is going to be sick.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19246 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-13 16:15:32
August 13 2019 16:14 GMT
#67
On August 13 2019 23:11 TornadoSteve wrote:
The first game of the series was one of the most impressive PvZ game ive seen and i feel like this is an under statement.
I watched it again, i am not even sure i can point out a single thing that Rain could have done better.

The major flaw in game 1 was that he was forced to build a dragoon.It tells the whole build. Overlord scouts no stargate, the forge spinning, and a dragoon means corsairs are not coming for this fast speedlot build. Once the dragoon was out the build was blown, but surprisingly Sacsri didn't understand what he was seeing at the time due to nerves.
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10673 Posts
August 13 2019 16:49 GMT
#68
Where are the VOD's?
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VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-13 17:06:50
August 13 2019 16:50 GMT
#69
I know it was his attempt at mind games (at least I hope), but when he said in the pre interview he was going to 3-0 vs Rain, I literally said out loud "pleb! your power trip is about to end" hehe, and I'm not a fan of Rain, its just that his first time to Ro8 against someone of Rain's caliber, and if he was to actually win, vs Flash at Ro4, showing some respect is also an option at those interviews. But its all good he went for the attempted mindgames... Didn't quite work out for him.

I loved how Tasteless caught the fact that Rain only had his probes on the 2nd gas while the overlord was watching, well done!

And I loved the nuance of the fan showing an image of Rain and Bisu together, as the master is back.
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VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
August 13 2019 16:52 GMT
#70
On August 14 2019 01:49 GGzerG wrote:
Where are the VOD's?

http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/46820048
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VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
August 13 2019 17:09 GMT
#71
As big a venue as they can come up with for Rain vs Flash, will be packed to the brim and overflowing. This is a finals in its own right.
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TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1056 Posts
August 13 2019 17:24 GMT
#72
On August 14 2019 01:14 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2019 23:11 TornadoSteve wrote:
The first game of the series was one of the most impressive PvZ game ive seen and i feel like this is an under statement.
I watched it again, i am not even sure i can point out a single thing that Rain could have done better.

The major flaw in game 1 was that he was forced to build a dragoon.It tells the whole build. Overlord scouts no stargate, the forge spinning, and a dragoon means corsairs are not coming for this fast speedlot build. Once the dragoon was out the build was blown, but surprisingly Sacsri didn't understand what he was seeing at the time due to nerves.


Theres that, but i assume at this level hiding a pylon into another main to hide a citadel would be quite dumb. I mean at this level, you cant quite surprise your opponent with what youre doing, you can just surprise your opponent with the timing that you are doing it. And his build did about just that, cutting probes to build the nexus at 11 actually make Rain to make his 2nd pylon when his cybernetic core was almost done. He started his citadel right after his 2nd pylon, which is crazy fast.

I dont know if he knew that sacsri had no plans to build a spire whatsoever, but his build in the first 2 games was just perfect counter. And his army movements (it has been discussed before) is probably the best in the business at the moment, along with Flash.

People are impressed with Rain's macro, fair enough, but while hes macroing on his tiny screen_lol, he also move his army in a way that even Bisu has never did before. Note how he cleaned the scouting path for the 4 templars to attack the 3rd, and he even escorted them with his 1st group of zealots a few seconds before. Flawless
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
August 13 2019 17:40 GMT
#73
What a massacre. Rain is becoming such a scary protoss lately, almost Bisu level. I really want him to be able to take out FlaSh so God maybe will consider for another ASL run before his military (plus we gonna see Bisu) so he can get his trophy although his doctor already warned him.
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
August 13 2019 17:53 GMT
#74
Damn, schedule change so no ASL at the weekend when I can watch it live
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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
August 13 2019 18:15 GMT
#75
Rain to me looks bit like those solve Rubik's cube in seconds, Michael Bay's transformers assemble slower than the toss army in game 1 and 2. I thought this series was wild and lovely. I now have conflict of interests where watching Action die to Rain sounds as good final as Snow v. Flash.
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letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
August 13 2019 18:48 GMT
#76
Where can I watch the games? Afreeca links are not working for me.
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-13 19:03:35
August 13 2019 19:03 GMT
#77
On August 14 2019 03:48 letian wrote:
Where can I watch the games? Afreeca links are not working for me.

If you're ok without the English cast, then Flash uploaded his commentary on youtube for all the games.
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
fearthequeen
Profile Joined November 2011
United States787 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-13 19:34:41
August 13 2019 19:14 GMT
#78
On August 14 2019 01:14 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2019 23:11 TornadoSteve wrote:
The first game of the series was one of the most impressive PvZ game ive seen and i feel like this is an under statement.
I watched it again, i am not even sure i can point out a single thing that Rain could have done better.

The major flaw in game 1 was that he was forced to build a dragoon.It tells the whole build. Overlord scouts no stargate, the forge spinning, and a dragoon means corsairs are not coming for this fast speedlot build. Once the dragoon was out the build was blown, but surprisingly Sacsri didn't understand what he was seeing at the time due to nerves.


The dragoon to kill overlord is not necessarily a tell of a non sair opening. It's more like "ok they are staying in my main with overlord, free kill." The early supply block on Zerg really hurts them, and denying the scouting is good regardless of P build. Protosses WILL do this with sair openings.

Edit: a few related details about game 1 - Tasteless pointed out that Rain made the 2nd gas and then pulled ALL 3 probes off once scouting was denied @ natural. Sacsri never actually saw the citadel in main with initial overlord, the only info was that +1 timing on forge and presumably he saw the 2nd gas as well. So yes you know it will be some kind of zealot opening, but the follow up is not clear at all. Sacsri might presume from 2nd gas it is an archon or sair follow up rather than the straight 4 gates before other tech.
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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
August 13 2019 19:47 GMT
#79
On August 13 2019 19:59 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Poll: Recommend Rain vs Sacsri Game 3?

No (13)
 
62%

If you have time (8)
 
38%

Yes (0)
 
0%

21 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Rain vs Sacsri Game 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


I think the probe pulls deserve an "If you have time" vote.
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Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8512 Posts
August 13 2019 21:01 GMT
#80
wow, that was more one-sided than I expected. Game 3 perfectly shows that 500 apm means nothing if you don't have the multitasking to support them...
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