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Muff2n
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom250 Posts
June 18 2019 20:57 GMT
#121
On June 13 2019 22:14 Szinkler wrote:
Just finished watching Flash vs Zero. This was the best series sofar in The end of the world. There were some really amazing and entertaining games. I suggest watching it for everyone!


I concur.
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
June 19 2019 07:48 GMT
#122
Larva so boring, same campy style but it thoroughly dismantles Ps
CadenZie
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)545 Posts
June 19 2019 09:21 GMT
#123
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Tuesday, Jun 25 12:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Jaeyun
Profile Joined June 2017
United States202 Posts
June 19 2019 15:52 GMT
#124
Who is the next player in the series? Cadenzie's picture isn't loading for me.
www.twitch.tv/jaeyun
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
June 19 2019 16:46 GMT
#125
its larva vs stork. (dont link directly from ygosu, put on imgur or some host)
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
June 20 2019 23:10 GMT
#126
On June 20 2019 01:46 ggsimida wrote:
its larva vs stork. (dont link directly from ygosu, put on imgur or some host)

HYPE~~~

They played tons of crazy (as in crazy good) 50+ min pvzs whenever they spon. YT's full with them, hope they can bring some of that to this series as well.

I hope Stork's gonna win
The heart's eternal vow
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8150 Posts
June 21 2019 00:38 GMT
#127
On June 19 2019 16:48 KamMoye wrote:
Larva so boring, same campy style but it thoroughly dismantles Ps


Eh I dunno, I like his style. Most zergs cant pull it off and just for 3 hat hydra busts all the time or go for 3-base 6 hat hydra. If every zerg played like him then sure it'd be boring, but I'm glad there's at least 1 zerg that wants to go to the late-game in zvp haha.
Free Palestine
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
June 21 2019 02:28 GMT
#128
I don't disagree. I just like it when players are like, "This is my bread and butter, but I will mix it up!"

Chances are I'm just not skilled enough to see how he is mixing it up. To my noob eyes, the first three or four games were basically wash, rinse, repeat.
Jaeyun
Profile Joined June 2017
United States202 Posts
June 23 2019 22:19 GMT
#129
6 hatch turtle style can get boring for the viewer sometimes but it’s also the most mechanically difficult style to pull off (ironically). One of the reasons why Larva is great at ZvP is because he’s confident going head to head with any P playing that style over and over again, which is really impressive because it’s actually really abusable if your opponent knows you’re doing it.

I will add that there is variance in builds because sometimes he goes muta and other times he doesn’t. Sometimes he makes 5 mutas and powers, other times he masses mutas, etc. Those are all nuanced builds.

Pretty sure Larva will win in a BO9 vs Stork. I’d absolutely love to see Rain vs Larva BO9, though.
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
June 24 2019 05:28 GMT
#130
Hope they got good viewer numbers so we might see a second season.
seriosity
Profile Joined July 2009
United States214 Posts
June 24 2019 12:57 GMT
#131
Nyoken is casting these a few days/week after the korean stream.
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
June 24 2019 13:58 GMT
#132
On June 24 2019 07:19 Jaeyun wrote:
6 hatch turtle style can get boring for the viewer sometimes but it’s also the most mechanically difficult style to pull off (ironically). One of the reasons why Larva is great at ZvP is because he’s confident going head to head with any P playing that style over and over again, which is really impressive because it’s actually really abusable if your opponent knows you’re doing it.

I will add that there is variance in builds because sometimes he goes muta and other times he doesn’t. Sometimes he makes 5 mutas and powers, other times he masses mutas, etc. Those are all nuanced builds.

Pretty sure Larva will win in a BO9 vs Stork. I’d absolutely love to see Rain vs Larva BO9, though.


Thanks. Actually, Rain v Larva would be perfect.

What makes it so difficult to pull off? What are its key weakest timings?

By the way, remember when Snow had that sick game vZ (was it SK? Bo1, recent KSL I think), every one said his vZ was amazing. I disagreed. I said it's uneven. That was one main reason I was disappointed in these matches, purely as a fan: Snow got completely washed.

So how did Larva shut Snow down, especially if Snow knew, generally speaking, what BO Larva favored?
Jaeyun
Profile Joined June 2017
United States202 Posts
June 24 2019 19:34 GMT
#133
So the turtle style might be easier to play at lower levels since you really just camp and make sunkens, but at a pro level, there’s so many things P can do to abuse or mess with Z while they camp because they’re forfeiting all aggression for virtually 10-12 minutes.

Given the above, you need to be way on top of your scouting to see what P is doing and be ready to defend everything at all times. P will often deny vision with corsairs and you need to perfectly cover your overlords with scourges behind because 1 spore won’t block 6+ sairs. Sairs deny vision for Z which opens the opportunity for DT drop (Z doesn’t go speed ovie until later), which can be game ending. Fast storm drops are a thing, and nothing to really stop it. P can also completely skip HT and go straight into mass dragoons and bust down both the hatch/evo/den at both bases, crippling the Z’s economy and tech.

There’s just a flurry of things P can do to abuse the Z that it requires so much to defend everything and know exactly when to sunk and to drone. At the pro level, you need to make sure this is paying off economically to just going 5hh with a close 3rd. If it’s not, then you’re just forfeiting aggression for making useless sunks and letting P expand to his heart’s content. Moving into the late game and defending all your bases/speed shuttle drops is difficult.

One game that comes to mind that showed Larva’s brilliance was vs. Bermuda G5 in the first KSL on Aztec when he failed a 7 pool but blocked everything and eventually choked Bermuda out late game.

Larva also likes opening mutas, which is really hard to pull off because microing muta + scourge is really scary vs corsairs, but it forces P into guessing whether it’s mass muta or just 5 and scourges. He did that well in this series and in general Larva just outplayed Snow in the late game. Larva likes to choke P’s out economically by taking 6 quick bases a lot.
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Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-25 13:03:37
June 25 2019 12:32 GMT
#134
Larva vs. Stork is on and this series is off to a good start
+ Show Spoiler +
Dark archons and guardian rush vs. protoss, pimpest play of the week
update: guardian rush vs scout, make that pimpest play of the year
update 2: i can't believe this game is still going, how the hell is larva still alive after losing those bases, he's been consistently up in supply for like the last 15 minutes despite having fewer bases than stork, his ling/lurker/ultra is just hitting everywhere constantly


DAmn, what a game 1
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
June 25 2019 13:04 GMT
#135
great game by larva recovering from the loss of the main base but stork was kinda uninspiring not doing any drop harass and simply plain deathballing,
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-25 14:43:32
June 25 2019 13:13 GMT
#136
yeah, + Show Spoiler +
I'd have like to've seen stork making more than one Dark archon for chain maelstroms, espeically considering he kinda threw away a lot of DTs in the middle and end of that game that never really did much



+ Show Spoiler +
super cute play by larva, burrowing hydras and waiting till stork pushed over them to snipe the reaver shuttle, then looping back with mutas to catch the slow reavers once they fell behind
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
June 25 2019 15:11 GMT
#137
I saw in comments that there was a no-gg from Larva but I missed out what actually happened, can someone tell?
The heart's eternal vow
Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
June 25 2019 15:12 GMT
#138
On June 25 2019 22:13 Wonk wrote:
yeah, + Show Spoiler +
I'd have like to've seen stork making more than one Dark archon for chain maelstroms, espeically considering he kinda threw away a lot of DTs in the middle and end of that game that never really did much



+ Show Spoiler +
super cute play by larva, burrowing hydras and waiting till stork pushed over them to snipe the reaver shuttle, then looping back with mutas to catch the slow reavers once they fell behind


Wonk if you wanna see a game of Stork with a lot of Dark Archons here is a recent good game of his:
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4139 Posts
June 25 2019 15:35 GMT
#139
Didn't know there was a thread for this, loved the series so far with Flash vs Zero being one of the best games, an absolute must watch!
Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
June 26 2019 00:45 GMT
#140
On June 26 2019 00:12 Alpha-NP- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2019 22:13 Wonk wrote:
yeah, + Show Spoiler +
I'd have like to've seen stork making more than one Dark archon for chain maelstroms, espeically considering he kinda threw away a lot of DTs in the middle and end of that game that never really did much



+ Show Spoiler +
super cute play by larva, burrowing hydras and waiting till stork pushed over them to snipe the reaver shuttle, then looping back with mutas to catch the slow reavers once they fell behind


Wonk if you wanna see a game of Stork with a lot of Dark Archons here is a recent good game of his:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=REahhZjtWiA


didn't see that one, i'll def watch it when i get home. super lategame PvZs I never see enough of
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