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BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-31 14:51:21
May 31 2019 14:48 GMT
#81
On May 30 2019 14:13 KamMoye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2019 01:18 BigBalls wrote:
On May 29 2019 14:31 Ideas wrote:
Damn I'm sorta surprised mini took that many games off of flash, he looked super sloppy in a lot of them and basically did almost the exact same build in most of the games (proxy gate into reavers into 3 base carriers). But then I guess that's just his style: go for hyper aggression with poor macro and hope you damage the terran more than you lose from your investment. Against flash it only worked 1/3 of the time, but against lesser players it is far more effective. It's always cool to see 3+ shuttles used in a bust attempt too. But damn it hurt to see mini lose so many units to mines and lose more reavers than flash lost SCVs, or to lose entire mineral lines to like 6 speed vultures.

I like that getting 3 wins vs flash in a 9 game series is the new standard for "best in the world besides flash" lol. Who has the best chance of getting more than 3 wins vs flash that's left? I would guess snow, rain, or last (if last is playing at his top game).


Does effort count? I'd take effort o3 games at even money. Think 3 is a good line for last and rain.


I'll take that bet at $100


Which one? You'd take u3 games for effort? Or over/under 3 for last/rain?

I'm not confident on the last/rain lines, could see anywhere from 2.5-4 wins being the line for them. Effort does seem to do significantly better vs Flash than anyone else though, and will happily bet you if that match happens!
if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8171 Posts
May 31 2019 14:51 GMT
#82
I would give Effort better odds like 6-8 months ago when he was still playing a ton and practicing for ASL and had the fire in him, but not now when he's in the military and not really practicing haha.
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LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
May 31 2019 19:56 GMT
#83
Would Rain be able to take more than 3 games off Flash?
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4267 Posts
May 31 2019 20:09 GMT
#84
On June 01 2019 04:56 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Would Rain be able to take more than 3 games off Flash?

IMO yes
Jaeyun
Profile Joined June 2017
United States202 Posts
May 31 2019 20:25 GMT
#85
I was hoping SK would be able to push it to 5-4 with some closer wins, unfortunately.

As much as I love Rain, I'm not sure he's the man for the job. I think Snow vs. Flash would great actually.
www.twitch.tv/jaeyun
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
June 01 2019 06:58 GMT
#86
On May 31 2019 23:48 BigBalls wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2019 14:13 KamMoye wrote:
On May 30 2019 01:18 BigBalls wrote:
On May 29 2019 14:31 Ideas wrote:
Damn I'm sorta surprised mini took that many games off of flash, he looked super sloppy in a lot of them and basically did almost the exact same build in most of the games (proxy gate into reavers into 3 base carriers). But then I guess that's just his style: go for hyper aggression with poor macro and hope you damage the terran more than you lose from your investment. Against flash it only worked 1/3 of the time, but against lesser players it is far more effective. It's always cool to see 3+ shuttles used in a bust attempt too. But damn it hurt to see mini lose so many units to mines and lose more reavers than flash lost SCVs, or to lose entire mineral lines to like 6 speed vultures.

I like that getting 3 wins vs flash in a 9 game series is the new standard for "best in the world besides flash" lol. Who has the best chance of getting more than 3 wins vs flash that's left? I would guess snow, rain, or last (if last is playing at his top game).


Does effort count? I'd take effort o3 games at even money. Think 3 is a good line for last and rain.


I'll take that bet at $100


Which one? You'd take u3 games for effort? Or over/under 3 for last/rain?

I'm not confident on the last/rain lines, could see anywhere from 2.5-4 wins being the line for them. Effort does seem to do significantly better vs Flash than anyone else though, and will happily bet you if that match happens!


Under 4 for effort, not 3.
-visnu-
Profile Joined April 2009
Australia149 Posts
June 02 2019 18:01 GMT
#87
would love to see TvT bo9 vs Sharp or Last or something
REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1904 Posts
June 02 2019 18:53 GMT
#88
On June 01 2019 05:25 Jaeyun wrote:
I was hoping SK would be able to push it to 5-4 with some closer wins, unfortunately.

As much as I love Rain, I'm not sure he's the man for the job. I think Snow vs. Flash would great actually.

Rain actually has the worst winrate out of all the tosses that played at least 10 games vs him during the last 3 months.
Best 36%
snow 28%
Stork 26%
Mini 25%
Jaehoon 20%
Rain 19%

On June 03 2019 03:01 -visnu- wrote:
would love to see TvT bo9 vs Sharp or Last or something

Same, I think they would have the best chances. Still...Flash and Sharp played a bo9 sponmatch 2 days ago and it went 5-3 for Flash ^^
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
June 03 2019 18:40 GMT
#89
Noone has more than a 36% win rate vs Flash? :l
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1904 Posts
June 03 2019 19:38 GMT
#90
No toss player.

Sharp has a 40% winrate. TvT is not that common in spongames and Last hasn't played against Flash at all in the last 3 months.

Best Zergs are:
Zero: 31.5%
Larva: 26.4%
Soulkey: 22.2%
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1259 Posts
June 03 2019 20:00 GMT
#91
On June 04 2019 03:40 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Noone has more than a 36% win rate vs Flash? :l


36% is amazing against Flash.

Best is a macro god.

KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-04 00:49:50
June 04 2019 00:49 GMT
#92
Omg, best Zergs are 32%? Insane. Soulkey 22%?!
nahyunjung
Profile Joined October 2018
40 Posts
June 04 2019 06:56 GMT
#93
We need Dear to come back and kill Flash PvT with a reaver vs no turrets again. Legendary game.
kaspa84
Profile Joined July 2016
Brazil169 Posts
June 06 2019 17:17 GMT
#94
Dear? I remember M18M took a nice game from Flash with proxy Robo in this way.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8171 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-06 19:04:42
June 06 2019 19:04 GMT
#95
On June 04 2019 09:49 KamMoye wrote:
Omg, best Zergs are 32%? Insane. Soulkey 22%?!


I think SK is the best zerg mechanically, but similar to mini he's prone to getting tilted if something goes too wrong and will make more mistakes/strategic blunders later on. Flash is so good at getting on the nerves of his opponents.
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oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1259 Posts
June 06 2019 22:30 GMT
#96
On June 07 2019 04:04 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2019 09:49 KamMoye wrote:
Omg, best Zergs are 32%? Insane. Soulkey 22%?!


I think SK is the best zerg mechanically, but similar to mini he's prone to getting tilted if something goes too wrong and will make more mistakes/strategic blunders later on. Flash is so good at getting on the nerves of his opponents.


ZerO is better than SK mechanically. SK probably has better Muta control but ZerO is definitely cleaner.

SK doesn't really get tilted, he just goes for builds that are out of most players comfort zone. He is the real brain-zerg.
nahyunjung
Profile Joined October 2018
40 Posts
June 06 2019 23:02 GMT
#97
On June 07 2019 02:17 kaspa84 wrote:
Dear? I remember M18M took a nice game from Flash with proxy Robo in this way.


Dear vs Flash on ground zero, Flash was making turrets but scanned Dear's observatory and not his robo support so he cancelled the turrets he was building then the shuttle comes in and did game ending damage.
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1156 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-06-07 10:19:05
June 07 2019 06:47 GMT
#98
FyRe_DragOn
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada2056 Posts
June 08 2019 19:03 GMT
#99
was flash vs zero not played? I cant seem to find vods
aka DragOn[NaS]
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8171 Posts
June 08 2019 20:11 GMT
#100
On June 09 2019 04:03 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
was flash vs zero not played? I cant seem to find vods


OP says it'll be played June 9th.
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