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CadenZie
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)545 Posts
May 28 2019 00:02 GMT
#61
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Tuesday, May 28 12:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
(T)Flash vs (P)Mini
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
May 28 2019 01:45 GMT
#62
mini is really cool tvp but vs flash he often slams into a brick wall... hope it does not turn out like that and we have some even good / long games/series
kaspa84
Profile Joined July 2016
Brazil169 Posts
May 28 2019 12:37 GMT
#63
Is it live?
CadenZie
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)545 Posts
May 28 2019 12:51 GMT
#64
yes it is^^
kaspa84
Profile Joined July 2016
Brazil169 Posts
May 28 2019 12:56 GMT
#65
Thought guemchi would be streaming, he is playing fps lol. Why is Mini not streaming??
Aeternum
Profile Joined July 2015
Latvia35 Posts
May 28 2019 12:59 GMT
#66
Mini is streaming
The power of idea
kaspa84
Profile Joined July 2016
Brazil169 Posts
May 28 2019 13:06 GMT
#67
my video froze as Flash was just finishing the bunker...
nikolaus8844
Profile Joined March 2019
109 Posts
May 28 2019 13:43 GMT
#68
Oh Mini.... championship material right there! That clutch hold in game 3........
onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
May 28 2019 14:39 GMT
#69
that scream from flash on losing the dropship!! hilarious
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8128 Posts
May 29 2019 05:31 GMT
#70
Damn I'm sorta surprised mini took that many games off of flash, he looked super sloppy in a lot of them and basically did almost the exact same build in most of the games (proxy gate into reavers into 3 base carriers). But then I guess that's just his style: go for hyper aggression with poor macro and hope you damage the terran more than you lose from your investment. Against flash it only worked 1/3 of the time, but against lesser players it is far more effective. It's always cool to see 3+ shuttles used in a bust attempt too. But damn it hurt to see mini lose so many units to mines and lose more reavers than flash lost SCVs, or to lose entire mineral lines to like 6 speed vultures.

I like that getting 3 wins vs flash in a 9 game series is the new standard for "best in the world besides flash" lol. Who has the best chance of getting more than 3 wins vs flash that's left? I would guess snow, rain, or last (if last is playing at his top game).
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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-29 06:04:53
May 29 2019 05:57 GMT
#71
rain has very poor record vs flash. dont think flash v last will happen for this event since 9 games of tvt would be too time consuming and unappealing for most. (and i would pick sharp over last instead, sharp's opportunistic play have shown to probe holes in flash armour and frustrate him a lot)

its flash v zero next week so its gonna be another 6-3 probably
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
May 29 2019 16:18 GMT
#72
On May 29 2019 14:31 Ideas wrote:
Damn I'm sorta surprised mini took that many games off of flash, he looked super sloppy in a lot of them and basically did almost the exact same build in most of the games (proxy gate into reavers into 3 base carriers). But then I guess that's just his style: go for hyper aggression with poor macro and hope you damage the terran more than you lose from your investment. Against flash it only worked 1/3 of the time, but against lesser players it is far more effective. It's always cool to see 3+ shuttles used in a bust attempt too. But damn it hurt to see mini lose so many units to mines and lose more reavers than flash lost SCVs, or to lose entire mineral lines to like 6 speed vultures.

I like that getting 3 wins vs flash in a 9 game series is the new standard for "best in the world besides flash" lol. Who has the best chance of getting more than 3 wins vs flash that's left? I would guess snow, rain, or last (if last is playing at his top game).


Does effort count? I'd take effort o3 games at even money. Think 3 is a good line for last and rain.
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user80269
Profile Joined November 2018
20 Posts
May 29 2019 16:54 GMT
#73
thanks candenzie for posting up these excellent events o/
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
May 29 2019 17:07 GMT
#74
Jesus these games are hard to watch, Flash is on an entirely different level, seems like he lets others win sometimes so they don't feel bad
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
May 29 2019 17:09 GMT
#75
On May 29 2019 14:31 Ideas wrote:
I like that getting 3 wins vs flash in a 9 game series is the new standard for "best in the world besides flash" lol. Who has the best chance of getting more than 3 wins vs flash that's left? I would guess snow, rain, or last (if last is playing at his top game).

Pretty sure Stork has a better PvT than both mini and best, or at least he used to

Mini made too many mistakes, he played smart in general though. Best was just banging his head against a wall.
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
May 29 2019 19:28 GMT
#76
It's amazing how bad these players look when they play against Flash. You see good players with good stats and when they play in KSL or ASL they look great. But when they meet Flash, the things change completely.
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REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1904 Posts
May 29 2019 21:12 GMT
#77
Yea. You can sometimes see casual BW viewers comment about flash in KSL chat like he isn't the best anymore. I feel like the gap between him and others is steadily increasing lol. 1 more month and Flash will be rank 1 elo for 24 consecutive months in a row. Right now he is 130 pts ahead of rank 2, while rank 2-10 are all within a 70 pts range. And in the meantime during the last year he casually made highest ranked Protoss acc on the ladder and became a top fastest player. Just insane...
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
May 30 2019 05:12 GMT
#78
So Flash is what, like four SDs better than the next best player?
KamMoye
Profile Joined December 2010
United States721 Posts
May 30 2019 05:13 GMT
#79
On May 30 2019 01:18 BigBalls wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2019 14:31 Ideas wrote:
Damn I'm sorta surprised mini took that many games off of flash, he looked super sloppy in a lot of them and basically did almost the exact same build in most of the games (proxy gate into reavers into 3 base carriers). But then I guess that's just his style: go for hyper aggression with poor macro and hope you damage the terran more than you lose from your investment. Against flash it only worked 1/3 of the time, but against lesser players it is far more effective. It's always cool to see 3+ shuttles used in a bust attempt too. But damn it hurt to see mini lose so many units to mines and lose more reavers than flash lost SCVs, or to lose entire mineral lines to like 6 speed vultures.

I like that getting 3 wins vs flash in a 9 game series is the new standard for "best in the world besides flash" lol. Who has the best chance of getting more than 3 wins vs flash that's left? I would guess snow, rain, or last (if last is playing at his top game).


Does effort count? I'd take effort o3 games at even money. Think 3 is a good line for last and rain.


I'll take that bet at $100
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8128 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-30 14:18:46
May 30 2019 14:11 GMT
#80
On May 30 2019 01:18 BigBalls wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2019 14:31 Ideas wrote:
Damn I'm sorta surprised mini took that many games off of flash, he looked super sloppy in a lot of them and basically did almost the exact same build in most of the games (proxy gate into reavers into 3 base carriers). But then I guess that's just his style: go for hyper aggression with poor macro and hope you damage the terran more than you lose from your investment. Against flash it only worked 1/3 of the time, but against lesser players it is far more effective. It's always cool to see 3+ shuttles used in a bust attempt too. But damn it hurt to see mini lose so many units to mines and lose more reavers than flash lost SCVs, or to lose entire mineral lines to like 6 speed vultures.

I like that getting 3 wins vs flash in a 9 game series is the new standard for "best in the world besides flash" lol. Who has the best chance of getting more than 3 wins vs flash that's left? I would guess snow, rain, or last (if last is playing at his top game).


Does effort count? I'd take effort o3 games at even money. Think 3 is a good line for last and rain.


Yeah Effort would be the best bet of current players if he wasn't in military. He's not only a great player but seems uniquely good at mind games with flash.



On May 30 2019 02:09 LG)Sabbath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2019 14:31 Ideas wrote:
I like that getting 3 wins vs flash in a 9 game series is the new standard for "best in the world besides flash" lol. Who has the best chance of getting more than 3 wins vs flash that's left? I would guess snow, rain, or last (if last is playing at his top game).

Pretty sure Stork has a better PvT than both mini and best, or at least he used to

Mini made too many mistakes, he played smart in general though. Best was just banging his head against a wall.



I mean come on, peak Stork was basically tied with Jangbi for GOAT PvT! But he's not that player any more despite impressive results in the KSL. Rain and Snow seem to be the best current PvTers, although maybe I'm wrong since I don't know korean so I don't really know who has the best stats on PvT sponmatches.

I feel like throughout flash's career there have definitely been times when I would take certain players over flash in a Bo9 (Jaedong in 2008/2009, bisu in late 2008, fantasy in 2012, etc) but damn he really is just a fucking terminator that only rarely loses games by getting caught off guard and even more rarely gets outplayed. These series are so cool at showing how 9 games really is just all about pure skill, whereas a Bo5 is still highly affected by mind games and strategy. Flash said in interviews back in like 2009/2010 that he rarely loses in practice, which is just insane and totally believable.
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