The games are pretty boring tbh. I got through the first six. They all look familiar. Turtling play, even when it's close by supply flash always has superior upgrades and positioning. Best was lucky to take two games. Flash is leagues better.
reminder this is today (tomorrow for people in the west)^^ should be really fun~ maps FS, CB, medusa, collo, ground zero, overwatch, crossgame Flash vs Soulkey !
Quite excited to gauge where Soulkey is in his best matchup, playing against a fellow turtle (one named Flash, at that). Interesting timing, given that the rest of his path in KSL is comprised of Protoss.
Best is a disappointment. He has never been championship material. Stork on the other hand surprised me vs Last just recently in KSL. His reaver into carrier games 3-0ed Last was a real big shocker. How convincingly he destroyed Last, I never knew Stork had it in him to produce games to throw Terran off balance.
Best seems to stick to the same old strategy of just trying to outmacro everyone. Not only can he not outmacro Flash but he doesn't have the flexibility to adapt to different types of games. I will say though Best did improve his PvZ a notch. Perhaps his PvT dipped down below his usual self because he was focusing on improving his PvZ.
This matchup historically favors the Terran and a few of the maps are not zerg utopias but there is no stronger zerg in the world today than Soulkey.
Assuming both of them put in the time training and forethought . I will predict Soulkey, with a small to large margin.
My reason is based upon competitive rhythm. Soulkey has been a league staple and performing well for a while. He regularly shows up sets up his mouse and defeats a pro gamer with thousands of eyes across time and timezones upon him.
Flash has not been doing that. He hasnt been a hermit either and he has consistently demonstrated incredible play against world elites on stream.
Soulkey is a new type of zerg. He has the ability to be razor sharp decisive like peak Jaedong, the incredible next level macro of effort and something new ... a calmness.
He makes far less emotional blunders then any zerg in history. He has a dispassionate approach to decision making that allows him to deal with issues in zvt differently. Nobody can just use 3 hat muta-ling to control 5 rax + 1 like him while following a tech tree and balancing an economy. He mastered the technical art of middle game zvt to such a level that he at times leaves the middlegame so far ahead that terran looks underpowered.
Then there is his ability to threatenyou with an auto kill 2 hat muta fast pool you or just drone crush your rush.
He is a meta game unto himself and he is at the top of his game and still apparently improving (my opinion).
Flash is the greatest player in the history of our game and one of only a handful of terran grandmasters (Nada, iloveoov).
There is no nobody he is not capable of beating at anytime, but the last time they played Flash seemed to be easily managed by the professional whirlwind of accomplishment and form that is Soulkey.
I will be happy with either winning but I don't see Soulkey losing a match a few days before a bigger match. An object in motion.
Game 2 would have been really interesting if Flash ends up teching to ghosts. Very good game nonetheless and it was so cool to see an infested CC as well.
Damn flash is so fucking good. Although I think SK totally blew that second medusa game by trying to base-trade instead of stalling for lurkers and fighting flash's main army. super props to him though for almost making a comeback like 3 times after that though haha. Every time I see a zerg try to doom drop vs flash (or most terrans most of the time) with mostly hydras it just always fails miserably and the zerg loses like 20-30 hydras and only kills like 2 turrets and maybe a depot and damages a couple other buildings.
Flash is just so fucking good at knowing exactly when to attack with the most minimal force possible. That game on Colosseum where he just attacks with like 5 marines and 5 gols and 2 valks holy shit. Or in the final game flash just barely manages to kill the only defiler and run past the swarm and take out that 3rd. That attack just shouldn't have fucking worked but flash is so damn good jeez.
SK played amazing those 1st 3 games (and most of the series) but then flash got into his head I think.
Is this series going to be KOTH style? Who is next? Would love to see snow, larva, rain, sharp, and last all get destroyed by flash too lol.
Honestly Flash vs SK felt like a stomp. First 3 games were just pure BO wins/full all in wins for SK, Flash wasn't even able to win these games (And Flash just played in SK hands).
Rest of the games were just stomps, incl. the medusa game where I believe Flash just went unorthodox for a bit of fun, he could have played more standard.
Despite all the hype about SK... it's hard to me to see him up there with the all time greats. Just look closely at his face after a tough lose...... it tells the whole story. I'm pretty certain he doesn't have the substance to deal effectively with setbacks. Flash, being the 500 pound gorilla that he is, demonstrated that they are not at all the same caliber of players. Can't wait to see the same thing happen to Rain PS: Can you imagine... the nerve.. the audacity as Klazart would say, to infest a CC and go 4-pooling immediately after that. He was basically begging to be spanked!
Yeah it's easy to attribute SK's wins to "lucky BO wins", but when Flash wins in the same way (e.g. 8rax vs Jaedong in his prime) or counters opponents by reading them well, it's all about being smart and one step ahead of his opponent.
There's probably some confirmation bias in there sure, but it also depends on who wins the series. If soulkey got some bo wins and then proceeds to lose in a very one sided fashion. It doesn't make a lot of sense to say soulkey was reading flash and anticipating his next moves when he then got smashed 6 games in a row
If it was a bo5 in ASL finals or something and soulkey won 3-0 like that it would be viewed very differently
mini is really cool tvp but vs flash he often slams into a brick wall... hope it does not turn out like that and we have some even good / long games/series
Damn I'm sorta surprised mini took that many games off of flash, he looked super sloppy in a lot of them and basically did almost the exact same build in most of the games (proxy gate into reavers into 3 base carriers). But then I guess that's just his style: go for hyper aggression with poor macro and hope you damage the terran more than you lose from your investment. Against flash it only worked 1/3 of the time, but against lesser players it is far more effective. It's always cool to see 3+ shuttles used in a bust attempt too. But damn it hurt to see mini lose so many units to mines and lose more reavers than flash lost SCVs, or to lose entire mineral lines to like 6 speed vultures.
I like that getting 3 wins vs flash in a 9 game series is the new standard for "best in the world besides flash" lol. Who has the best chance of getting more than 3 wins vs flash that's left? I would guess snow, rain, or last (if last is playing at his top game).
rain has very poor record vs flash. dont think flash v last will happen for this event since 9 games of tvt would be too time consuming and unappealing for most. (and i would pick sharp over last instead, sharp's opportunistic play have shown to probe holes in flash armour and frustrate him a lot)
its flash v zero next week so its gonna be another 6-3 probably
On May 29 2019 14:31 Ideas wrote: Damn I'm sorta surprised mini took that many games off of flash, he looked super sloppy in a lot of them and basically did almost the exact same build in most of the games (proxy gate into reavers into 3 base carriers). But then I guess that's just his style: go for hyper aggression with poor macro and hope you damage the terran more than you lose from your investment. Against flash it only worked 1/3 of the time, but against lesser players it is far more effective. It's always cool to see 3+ shuttles used in a bust attempt too. But damn it hurt to see mini lose so many units to mines and lose more reavers than flash lost SCVs, or to lose entire mineral lines to like 6 speed vultures.
I like that getting 3 wins vs flash in a 9 game series is the new standard for "best in the world besides flash" lol. Who has the best chance of getting more than 3 wins vs flash that's left? I would guess snow, rain, or last (if last is playing at his top game).
Does effort count? I'd take effort o3 games at even money. Think 3 is a good line for last and rain.
On May 29 2019 14:31 Ideas wrote: I like that getting 3 wins vs flash in a 9 game series is the new standard for "best in the world besides flash" lol. Who has the best chance of getting more than 3 wins vs flash that's left? I would guess snow, rain, or last (if last is playing at his top game).
Pretty sure Stork has a better PvT than both mini and best, or at least he used to
Mini made too many mistakes, he played smart in general though. Best was just banging his head against a wall.
It's amazing how bad these players look when they play against Flash. You see good players with good stats and when they play in KSL or ASL they look great. But when they meet Flash, the things change completely.
Yea. You can sometimes see casual BW viewers comment about flash in KSL chat like he isn't the best anymore. I feel like the gap between him and others is steadily increasing lol. 1 more month and Flash will be rank 1 elo for 24 consecutive months in a row. Right now he is 130 pts ahead of rank 2, while rank 2-10 are all within a 70 pts range. And in the meantime during the last year he casually made highest ranked Protoss acc on the ladder and became a top fastest player. Just insane...
On May 29 2019 14:31 Ideas wrote: Damn I'm sorta surprised mini took that many games off of flash, he looked super sloppy in a lot of them and basically did almost the exact same build in most of the games (proxy gate into reavers into 3 base carriers). But then I guess that's just his style: go for hyper aggression with poor macro and hope you damage the terran more than you lose from your investment. Against flash it only worked 1/3 of the time, but against lesser players it is far more effective. It's always cool to see 3+ shuttles used in a bust attempt too. But damn it hurt to see mini lose so many units to mines and lose more reavers than flash lost SCVs, or to lose entire mineral lines to like 6 speed vultures.
I like that getting 3 wins vs flash in a 9 game series is the new standard for "best in the world besides flash" lol. Who has the best chance of getting more than 3 wins vs flash that's left? I would guess snow, rain, or last (if last is playing at his top game).
Does effort count? I'd take effort o3 games at even money. Think 3 is a good line for last and rain.
On May 29 2019 14:31 Ideas wrote: Damn I'm sorta surprised mini took that many games off of flash, he looked super sloppy in a lot of them and basically did almost the exact same build in most of the games (proxy gate into reavers into 3 base carriers). But then I guess that's just his style: go for hyper aggression with poor macro and hope you damage the terran more than you lose from your investment. Against flash it only worked 1/3 of the time, but against lesser players it is far more effective. It's always cool to see 3+ shuttles used in a bust attempt too. But damn it hurt to see mini lose so many units to mines and lose more reavers than flash lost SCVs, or to lose entire mineral lines to like 6 speed vultures.
I like that getting 3 wins vs flash in a 9 game series is the new standard for "best in the world besides flash" lol. Who has the best chance of getting more than 3 wins vs flash that's left? I would guess snow, rain, or last (if last is playing at his top game).
Does effort count? I'd take effort o3 games at even money. Think 3 is a good line for last and rain.
Yeah Effort would be the best bet of current players if he wasn't in military. He's not only a great player but seems uniquely good at mind games with flash.
On May 29 2019 14:31 Ideas wrote: I like that getting 3 wins vs flash in a 9 game series is the new standard for "best in the world besides flash" lol. Who has the best chance of getting more than 3 wins vs flash that's left? I would guess snow, rain, or last (if last is playing at his top game).
Pretty sure Stork has a better PvT than both mini and best, or at least he used to
Mini made too many mistakes, he played smart in general though. Best was just banging his head against a wall.
I mean come on, peak Stork was basically tied with Jangbi for GOAT PvT! But he's not that player any more despite impressive results in the KSL. Rain and Snow seem to be the best current PvTers, although maybe I'm wrong since I don't know korean so I don't really know who has the best stats on PvT sponmatches.
I feel like throughout flash's career there have definitely been times when I would take certain players over flash in a Bo9 (Jaedong in 2008/2009, bisu in late 2008, fantasy in 2012, etc) but damn he really is just a fucking terminator that only rarely loses games by getting caught off guard and even more rarely gets outplayed. These series are so cool at showing how 9 games really is just all about pure skill, whereas a Bo5 is still highly affected by mind games and strategy. Flash said in interviews back in like 2009/2010 that he rarely loses in practice, which is just insane and totally believable.
On May 29 2019 14:31 Ideas wrote: Damn I'm sorta surprised mini took that many games off of flash, he looked super sloppy in a lot of them and basically did almost the exact same build in most of the games (proxy gate into reavers into 3 base carriers). But then I guess that's just his style: go for hyper aggression with poor macro and hope you damage the terran more than you lose from your investment. Against flash it only worked 1/3 of the time, but against lesser players it is far more effective. It's always cool to see 3+ shuttles used in a bust attempt too. But damn it hurt to see mini lose so many units to mines and lose more reavers than flash lost SCVs, or to lose entire mineral lines to like 6 speed vultures.
I like that getting 3 wins vs flash in a 9 game series is the new standard for "best in the world besides flash" lol. Who has the best chance of getting more than 3 wins vs flash that's left? I would guess snow, rain, or last (if last is playing at his top game).
Does effort count? I'd take effort o3 games at even money. Think 3 is a good line for last and rain.
I'll take that bet at $100
Which one? You'd take u3 games for effort? Or over/under 3 for last/rain?
I'm not confident on the last/rain lines, could see anywhere from 2.5-4 wins being the line for them. Effort does seem to do significantly better vs Flash than anyone else though, and will happily bet you if that match happens!
I would give Effort better odds like 6-8 months ago when he was still playing a ton and practicing for ASL and had the fire in him, but not now when he's in the military and not really practicing haha.
On May 29 2019 14:31 Ideas wrote: Damn I'm sorta surprised mini took that many games off of flash, he looked super sloppy in a lot of them and basically did almost the exact same build in most of the games (proxy gate into reavers into 3 base carriers). But then I guess that's just his style: go for hyper aggression with poor macro and hope you damage the terran more than you lose from your investment. Against flash it only worked 1/3 of the time, but against lesser players it is far more effective. It's always cool to see 3+ shuttles used in a bust attempt too. But damn it hurt to see mini lose so many units to mines and lose more reavers than flash lost SCVs, or to lose entire mineral lines to like 6 speed vultures.
I like that getting 3 wins vs flash in a 9 game series is the new standard for "best in the world besides flash" lol. Who has the best chance of getting more than 3 wins vs flash that's left? I would guess snow, rain, or last (if last is playing at his top game).
Does effort count? I'd take effort o3 games at even money. Think 3 is a good line for last and rain.
I'll take that bet at $100
Which one? You'd take u3 games for effort? Or over/under 3 for last/rain?
I'm not confident on the last/rain lines, could see anywhere from 2.5-4 wins being the line for them. Effort does seem to do significantly better vs Flash than anyone else though, and will happily bet you if that match happens!
On June 01 2019 05:25 Jaeyun wrote: I was hoping SK would be able to push it to 5-4 with some closer wins, unfortunately.
As much as I love Rain, I'm not sure he's the man for the job. I think Snow vs. Flash would great actually.
Rain actually has the worst winrate out of all the tosses that played at least 10 games vs him during the last 3 months. Best 36% snow 28% Stork 26% Mini 25% Jaehoon 20% Rain 19%
On June 03 2019 03:01 -visnu- wrote: would love to see TvT bo9 vs Sharp or Last or something
Same, I think they would have the best chances. Still...Flash and Sharp played a bo9 sponmatch 2 days ago and it went 5-3 for Flash ^^
On June 04 2019 09:49 KamMoye wrote: Omg, best Zergs are 32%? Insane. Soulkey 22%?!
I think SK is the best zerg mechanically, but similar to mini he's prone to getting tilted if something goes too wrong and will make more mistakes/strategic blunders later on. Flash is so good at getting on the nerves of his opponents.
On June 04 2019 09:49 KamMoye wrote: Omg, best Zergs are 32%? Insane. Soulkey 22%?!
I think SK is the best zerg mechanically, but similar to mini he's prone to getting tilted if something goes too wrong and will make more mistakes/strategic blunders later on. Flash is so good at getting on the nerves of his opponents.
ZerO is better than SK mechanically. SK probably has better Muta control but ZerO is definitely cleaner.
SK doesn't really get tilted, he just goes for builds that are out of most players comfort zone. He is the real brain-zerg.
On June 07 2019 02:17 kaspa84 wrote: Dear? I remember M18M took a nice game from Flash with proxy Robo in this way.
Dear vs Flash on ground zero, Flash was making turrets but scanned Dear's observatory and not his robo support so he cancelled the turrets he was building then the shuttle comes in and did game ending damage.
There seems to be some sort of error with the last game, they stopped the cast halfway through, maybe a bugged replay? but they're watching this live i thought.
game 9 was so weird/close. Similar to the Colosseum game Zero seemed to gain an advantage multiple times but just sorta pushed too hard and blew his advantage. Reminded me a lot of JD vs flash haha. Was cool to see so many guardians used at this level, they can be really good if they catch an opponent off guard.
Just finished watching Flash vs Zero. This was the best series sofar in The end of the world. There were some really amazing and entertaining games. I suggest watching it for everyone!
On June 13 2019 22:14 Szinkler wrote: Just finished watching Flash vs Zero. This was the best series sofar in The end of the world. There were some really amazing and entertaining games. I suggest watching it for everyone!
On June 20 2019 01:46 ggsimida wrote: its larva vs stork. (dont link directly from ygosu, put on imgur or some host)
HYPE~~~
They played tons of crazy (as in crazy good) 50+ min pvzs whenever they spon. YT's full with them, hope they can bring some of that to this series as well.
On June 19 2019 16:48 KamMoye wrote: Larva so boring, same campy style but it thoroughly dismantles Ps
Eh I dunno, I like his style. Most zergs cant pull it off and just for 3 hat hydra busts all the time or go for 3-base 6 hat hydra. If every zerg played like him then sure it'd be boring, but I'm glad there's at least 1 zerg that wants to go to the late-game in zvp haha.
I don't disagree. I just like it when players are like, "This is my bread and butter, but I will mix it up!"
Chances are I'm just not skilled enough to see how he is mixing it up. To my noob eyes, the first three or four games were basically wash, rinse, repeat.
6 hatch turtle style can get boring for the viewer sometimes but it’s also the most mechanically difficult style to pull off (ironically). One of the reasons why Larva is great at ZvP is because he’s confident going head to head with any P playing that style over and over again, which is really impressive because it’s actually really abusable if your opponent knows you’re doing it.
I will add that there is variance in builds because sometimes he goes muta and other times he doesn’t. Sometimes he makes 5 mutas and powers, other times he masses mutas, etc. Those are all nuanced builds.
Pretty sure Larva will win in a BO9 vs Stork. I’d absolutely love to see Rain vs Larva BO9, though.
On June 24 2019 07:19 Jaeyun wrote: 6 hatch turtle style can get boring for the viewer sometimes but it’s also the most mechanically difficult style to pull off (ironically). One of the reasons why Larva is great at ZvP is because he’s confident going head to head with any P playing that style over and over again, which is really impressive because it’s actually really abusable if your opponent knows you’re doing it.
I will add that there is variance in builds because sometimes he goes muta and other times he doesn’t. Sometimes he makes 5 mutas and powers, other times he masses mutas, etc. Those are all nuanced builds.
Pretty sure Larva will win in a BO9 vs Stork. I’d absolutely love to see Rain vs Larva BO9, though.
Thanks. Actually, Rain v Larva would be perfect.
What makes it so difficult to pull off? What are its key weakest timings?
By the way, remember when Snow had that sick game vZ (was it SK? Bo1, recent KSL I think), every one said his vZ was amazing. I disagreed. I said it's uneven. That was one main reason I was disappointed in these matches, purely as a fan: Snow got completely washed.
So how did Larva shut Snow down, especially if Snow knew, generally speaking, what BO Larva favored?
So the turtle style might be easier to play at lower levels since you really just camp and make sunkens, but at a pro level, there’s so many things P can do to abuse or mess with Z while they camp because they’re forfeiting all aggression for virtually 10-12 minutes.
Given the above, you need to be way on top of your scouting to see what P is doing and be ready to defend everything at all times. P will often deny vision with corsairs and you need to perfectly cover your overlords with scourges behind because 1 spore won’t block 6+ sairs. Sairs deny vision for Z which opens the opportunity for DT drop (Z doesn’t go speed ovie until later), which can be game ending. Fast storm drops are a thing, and nothing to really stop it. P can also completely skip HT and go straight into mass dragoons and bust down both the hatch/evo/den at both bases, crippling the Z’s economy and tech.
There’s just a flurry of things P can do to abuse the Z that it requires so much to defend everything and know exactly when to sunk and to drone. At the pro level, you need to make sure this is paying off economically to just going 5hh with a close 3rd. If it’s not, then you’re just forfeiting aggression for making useless sunks and letting P expand to his heart’s content. Moving into the late game and defending all your bases/speed shuttle drops is difficult.
One game that comes to mind that showed Larva’s brilliance was vs. Bermuda G5 in the first KSL on Aztec when he failed a 7 pool but blocked everything and eventually choked Bermuda out late game.
Larva also likes opening mutas, which is really hard to pull off because microing muta + scourge is really scary vs corsairs, but it forces P into guessing whether it’s mass muta or just 5 and scourges. He did that well in this series and in general Larva just outplayed Snow in the late game. Larva likes to choke P’s out economically by taking 6 quick bases a lot.
Larva vs. Stork is on and this series is off to a good start + Show Spoiler +
Dark archons and guardian rush vs. protoss, pimpest play of the week update: guardian rush vs scout, make that pimpest play of the year update 2: i can't believe this game is still going, how the hell is larva still alive after losing those bases, he's been consistently up in supply for like the last 15 minutes despite having fewer bases than stork, his ling/lurker/ultra is just hitting everywhere constantly
I'd have like to've seen stork making more than one Dark archon for chain maelstroms, espeically considering he kinda threw away a lot of DTs in the middle and end of that game that never really did much
super cute play by larva, burrowing hydras and waiting till stork pushed over them to snipe the reaver shuttle, then looping back with mutas to catch the slow reavers once they fell behind
I'd have like to've seen stork making more than one Dark archon for chain maelstroms, espeically considering he kinda threw away a lot of DTs in the middle and end of that game that never really did much
super cute play by larva, burrowing hydras and waiting till stork pushed over them to snipe the reaver shuttle, then looping back with mutas to catch the slow reavers once they fell behind
Wonk if you wanna see a game of Stork with a lot of Dark Archons here is a recent good game of his:
I'd have like to've seen stork making more than one Dark archon for chain maelstroms, espeically considering he kinda threw away a lot of DTs in the middle and end of that game that never really did much
super cute play by larva, burrowing hydras and waiting till stork pushed over them to snipe the reaver shuttle, then looping back with mutas to catch the slow reavers once they fell behind
On June 01 2019 05:25 Jaeyun wrote: I was hoping SK would be able to push it to 5-4 with some closer wins, unfortunately.
As much as I love Rain, I'm not sure he's the man for the job. I think Snow vs. Flash would great actually.
Rain actually has the worst winrate out of all the tosses that played at least 10 games vs him during the last 3 months. Best 36% snow 28% Stork 26% Mini 25% Jaehoon 20% Rain 19%
On June 03 2019 03:01 -visnu- wrote: would love to see TvT bo9 vs Sharp or Last or something
Same, I think they would have the best chances. Still...Flash and Sharp played a bo9 sponmatch 2 days ago and it went 5-3 for Flash ^^
This stat is ridiculous. It's amazing how Flash makes TvP one of the hardest matchups look easy. Snow was toying with Last in their games and only has a 28% win rate over Flash which just shows how big the gap is.
Larva v Sharp was phenomenal. So good I'll likely watch it again. I love this series. Great concept. This was probably the best week. Larva is such a patient python.
seems like Larva vs Light will be played in one hour (if i translated the sponbbang calender right) - nice to have a rematch between them so soon after Larva's loss (i'm still sad that he couldnt advance to the ro8 )
On July 29 2019 18:45 TornadoSteve wrote: He still can. Pray for SK to win a spot from group D first
Did they officially announce that the 3rd ranked players of each group would have the opportunity to participate in a tie breaker?
btw they play at 9pm kst (i was wrong about the time in my previous post)
That's what Artosis said at the end of Sunday's cast. So it'd be between Larva, Rush, Best, and the 3rd place of group D. I love larva but personally I was hoping SK would get a draft deferment until he got eliminated from ASL, but it sounds like that's not going to be able to happen?
edit - this could all be pointless too as there's a decent chance SK doesn't even make it out of group D.
Light (FPVOD) vs Best - i cannot upload Best's FPVOD due to him not wanting me to do so - also the video about half way through the video de-syncs by 2 seconds i'm not sure why to be honest but its only 2ish seconds so its not to bad hopefully
Light's stint as P obviously helped him. Anyone not shocked by the result must not have followed Light's career. He was notoriously awful v P. Every P in the world ate his lunch. His TvZ has always been hypermegaelite and his TvT is fine (not that I ever watch that matchup, just going off w%). I honestly thought his competitive career was all but over once he switched to Protoss.
Him solving P catapults him into the t3 Terrans and puts him neck and neck with Last, imo.
*If* he's solved it. But he looked great. Very unpredictable with his aggression. Reminded me a lot of Mind.
Best' s vT is standard and predictable, but it typically doesn't matter because he's overwhelmingly good at it. Most Ts have no shot v his standard. Light, though, had no problem beating him in macro games.
I think this series exposed how predictable Best is. I had a good read on his DT/Reaver decisions, and his engagements weren't great. Even when he earned advantages, Light consistently outplayed him in minute fashion over time, piling up small wins. Best was absolutely awful at attacking. This series displays Best's "very good but not great" ceiling.
Obviously attacking is very very hard in BW. There's a reason every top pro is typically defensive and macro heavy. But there were a few times a strong, well-timed and executed attack would've ended the game. Being defensive and trying to outgrow your opponent is not always the best decision.
That's what impressed me about Light. He isn't afraid to be aggressive. I think that's how Terran needs to play the matchup. I think at the top top levels TvP is even or only slightly P-favored.
Anyone know what happened in the first game of Light vs Stork? + Show Spoiler +
Around 20 minutes it almost looks like a corrupted replay, Light's army is just sitting there doing nothing while 1 zealot decimates an entire mineral line. And Light lifts off his 5th base to 1 zealot. Then suddenly the observer removes and resets vision and the game snaps back into sync with what I guess was really going on. But this is not a replay afaik, so I guess we have a new spectator bug going on? Kind of a shame to have missed what was actually going on for a good 2-3 minutes. Anyone know the source of this bug?
On September 19 2019 03:05 BlueSplint wrote: Anyone know what happened in the first game of Light vs Stork? + Show Spoiler +
Around 20 minutes it almost looks like a corrupted replay, Light's army is just sitting there doing nothing while 1 zealot decimates an entire mineral line. And Light lifts off his 5th base to 1 zealot. Then suddenly the observer removes and resets vision and the game snaps back into sync with what I guess was really going on. But this is not a replay afaik, so I guess we have a new spectator bug going on? Kind of a shame to have missed what was actually going on for a good 2-3 minutes. Anyone know the source of this bug?
That's a bug that's happened before, it's not a new thing at least.
Loving that Light can play TvP now, always loved his TvZ when he isn't getting cheesed. Obviously online vs offline is a whole different ball game, but he might be the terran hope in tourneys to come tbh as he is one of the only guys to have already done service.
Wow Light's TvP is looking so good right now. Is it me or is he above Last right now as "best non-Flash terran" ? Also hoping that the next match will be Light vs Zero
Wow Light's TvP is looking so good right now. Is it me or is he above Last right now as "best non-Flash terran" ? Also hoping that the next match will be Light vs Zero
I think if Light can overcome his nerves he can be the terran. Mechanically he is already there. And Last is not gonna get better. His left hand is fucked for good sadly...
I think its today. Here is link to ultimate battles YouTube channel. On front page you can find matchcalender. I think its always sunday and tuesday for starcraft
On September 22 2019 14:57 whaski wrote: I think its today. Here is link to ultimate battles YouTube channel. On front page you can find matchcalender. I think its always sunday and tuesday for starcraft
Both series were great but what's with the continuity? To be honest I'm always trying to understand, take seriously their intro texts -- "winner takes all," them doing "seasons" etc. but then they never add up. How come?
Yeah zero was making infested terrans in the final game just to screw around, lol
I guess it could be argued that the Z needs to already be pretty far ahead to be able to infest that CC, but damn infested terrans seem strong AF against Protoss. They literally kill 1-shot every protoss ground unit in the game with a pretty big splash radius lol.
Old maps vs new maps look like Super Saiyan Goku vs Frieza level 1
In old maps are so many interesting things: narrow paths, some island bases, high grounds, lack of resources,... Gosu have to use so many their brain to take matches. In new maps are so many bases, 15 or 16 bases put on a place completely flat, that's it. Gosu just need their fast hands, they will take their games.
Have you ever wonder. Why there are bonjwas from 1999 - 2007, but it's not from 2008 - 2019 (except Flash)? You must have so much brain, so genius, so intelligent,... to get bonjwa title. 1999 - 2007 we have some people like that. After that, we have no anyone (except Flash).
I have seen Infested Terrans made before in pro matches, but i have never seen them actually kill someone. Zero, however, managed to blow up a bunch of Protoss units with them, amazing...
Later i saw Zero vs. Snow. There was a match, which Snow lost due to extensive Infested Terran continuous siege. Felt like watching some single player.
I was shouting hoarsely and my eyes were gouging out when i saw this:
I've seen Arbiters made occasionally in PvZ, but Carriers? First time ever! Talk about Carriers being plagued, slowed and spored at the same time... Talk about all Dark Archon spells and all Zerg Queen spells used in this game. How do you like your hypnotized Ultralisk/Carrier/Reaver combo? How about a full control group of Devourers? How about a Corsair dweb to block hydralisk attacks? This match is INSANE! The only thing better would be Tastosis casting it.
If I had to guess I'd say this is a new season but I really have no idea. I can't read Korean but maybe the site that is linked to in the op can confirm/deny that.
Edit: Ah, wait. I don't need to read Korean because op is a saint. "끝장전" was indeed on Saturday, and there's Another one coming soon on Monday and Tuesday.
Edit: Not sure How we feel about double posting on this site so I'll just update here:
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