[ASL6] Grand Finals - Flash vs EffOrt - Page 49

On October 31 2018 00:19 Jukado wrote:
100 gas is spent at 3.37 in the video.

On October 31 2018 00:19 Jukado wrote:
100 gas is spent at 3.37 in the video.

On October 31 2018 00:00 Dazed. wrote:

...he spent that gas on lair and speed, theres no further spending of gas outside of his spire. i watched the entire game through, i also played his build through-- you cant get lair speed and burrow all at once.

On October 31 2018 00:23 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
I've never seen anything like game 4. That was defiler rush on 10 mining drones with Effort constantly reassigning them from minerals to gas and back. Ridiculous.

On October 31 2018 01:07 JieXian wrote:


Yes that was nuts, I was so worried for Effort when I saw the drone count, once he loses some momentum, there's no coming back.

On October 31 2018 01:15 Elroi wrote:

That is always the case in zvt if you play aggro. But somehow Effort managed to balance seamlessly aggression, droning and teching. We really need some high level player analyse this in detail because I felt like it was one of the most impressive series by a Broodwar player I have ever seen.

On October 31 2018 01:38 JieXian wrote:


Yes we zergs know how difficult it is (it's impossible for me) to sustain that econ and get to defiler, while never losing momentum on his pressure on Flash.

I wish someone would provide some analysis too... Ty2 please? (or anyone else capable)

On October 31 2018 01:07 JieXian wrote:


Yes that was nuts, I was so worried for Effort when I saw the drone count, once he loses some momentum, there's no coming back.

One could even go so far as to pontificate that coming back was from a short loss in momentum would have been...

+ Show Spoiler +

On October 30 2018 09:49 Elroi wrote:
If you want some more in-depth commentary on this amazing series I recommend Nyokens video. Its only a casting of the games and not an analysis, but it still pretty nice I think:

On October 30 2018 09:49 Elroi wrote:
If you want some more in-depth commentary on this amazing series I recommend Nyokens video. Its only a casting of the games and not an analysis, but it still pretty nice I think:

On October 31 2018 02:05 Sikcle wrote:



Yeah, how did he build up to 8+ lurkers for a complete contain and game-ending army while seamlessly teching up to defilers? Even the lost ovie which supplied blocked him right before morphing defilers didn't make the difference.




The pet peeve I had with this casting is that Nyoken clearly knows the outcome of the series while pretending not to so the spectulatory comments are the hindsight in mind: e.g. "even if one or two ultra pops here that would be a problem for flash". . No caster in their right mind would be implying that flash is the one in trouble at the point where effort's initial army melted in the face of defense matrix if they were watching in real time without spoilers. Unconvincing and disingenuous cast by Nyoken imo.

On October 31 2018 02:05 Sikcle wrote:



Yeah, how did he build up to 8+ lurkers for a complete contain and game-ending army while seamlessly teching up to defilers? Even the lost ovie which supplied blocked him right before morphing defilers didn't make the difference.




The pet peeve I had with this casting is that Nyoken clearly knows the outcome of the series while pretending not to so the spectulatory comments are the hindsight in mind: e.g. "even if one or two ultra pops here that would be a problem for flash". . No caster in their right mind would be implying that flash is the one in trouble at the point where effort's initial army melted in the face of defense matrix if they were watching in real time without spoilers. Unconvincing and disingenuous cast by Nyoken imo.

On October 31 2018 03:01 Zaibakk wrote:
After a rewatch of this amazing series, I want just to point out some of the incredible mind games between those two legends that I missed on live, focusing on game 5:

@1:53: Effort's drone scout the gas at Flash's base. He now knows that Flash is going for his 111 build.

@2:20: Flash put off 2 scv from gas as usual, as he always done in his 111 version for making a fast CC after putting down the factory. So right now on Effort's eyes Flash is making his standard 111 with fast CC. After that Effort retreat the drone, because the first Flash's marine it's about to coming out.

@3:07: Flash scouts the 2 hatch lair from Effort. Then he decided for an incredible change of strategy. After faking out the standard 111 with fast CC, and MOST PROBABLY seeing the super fast lair of Effort (it's impossible to say if it saw it with the SCV or not, but I think he saw because after that he did not scout the main again), Flash decided to entirely SKIP the CC and go for a very fast starport. This has many reasons:
- Flash knows from game 1 and 3 that Effort will put a massive speedling aggression to him, cutting his economy badly (he even lost game 1 and take much damage in game 3). So in any case he would not gain much economy from the second base with this kind of aggression from Effort. Closing his entrance, he is completely safe from speedling aggression, and he is making those lings really a waste of money from Effort.
- Knowing that, he is also pretty sure that Effort should not gain a big economic edge on him, because he should spend many of his money in zerglings, leaving the drone count lower.
- With a pretty low eco on both side, Flash he is confident that with a surprise attack with super fast wraiths, mass speedvults, and even a dropvults+cloakedwraiths+mines should destroy the already low economy of Effort, while defending from any muta harrass with cloakedwraiths+rines+turrets. He then plan to expand and winning the game easily.
Flash plan his amazing and shows his incredible capacity of fast adapting to Effort's new way of aggroing the 111+fast CC in early game.

@3:30: Effort move his bottom right overlord in the direction of Flash's natural. He then saw the there were not CC, while it should be already started at that time. He figured out instantly that Flash is going to make a fast harrass playstyle with 1 base only. He also decided for an incredible change of strategy. Effort immediately cancel his lair and put down his hydralisk den. The speed at which he changed his mind is incredible. With a lot of hydras he can:
- Put early aggression on Flash, harrassing him and forcing more defences, while delaying his second CC;
- Defend himself from any vults+wraits harrass (his following defence was amazingly well executed), while macroing a lot.
- Outmacroing Flash with a third base, and overcome him in midgame with a fast ultraling style. This is cool also because bio upgrades should come very late.

So, again, an amazing series to watch and rewatch! I hope many other details will be discovered. Those games should be matter of studies for the future generations :D

On October 31 2018 10:16 Starlightsun wrote:
Yeah I've always admired flash's attitude. It's easy to take for granted how great he is now but he's had many crushing losses too and harsh criticism over the years. Yet he's one of the few that just seems to keep improving his game. Gonna be sad when he goes to the military.

On October 31 2018 10:16 Starlightsun wrote:
Yeah I've always admired flash's attitude. It's easy to take for granted how great he is now but he's had many crushing losses too and harsh criticism over the years. Yet he's one of the few that just seems to keep improving his game. Gonna be sad when he goes to the military.

On October 31 2018 10:38 Letmelose wrote:


Flash may have had his fair share of problematic statements or attitudes, but his attitude towards self-improvement has not been one of them. This is what he had to say about his entire situation as being perceived as an obstacle to be overcome:

"I think it is only natural that people want to side for the underdog. I don't even care that much about the Taesagi claims anymore. There will come a time when even I will become weak, and people will miss what I used to represent. So I am always trying to delay that moment."

On October 31 2018 12:18 mierin wrote:


It's very confusing for me...on the one hand, I want to hate him, but on the other hand he is a stellar human being