In the finals and I still can't put a finger on why I don't find Rain impressive at all this tournament. I hope he can bring something special in the finals.

RJGooner

United States2038 Posts

May 07 2018 01:06 GMT

#166

On May 07 2018 09:55 BisuDagger wrote:
In the finals and I still can't put a finger on why I don't find Rain impressive at all this tournament. I hope he can bring something special in the finals.

IMO, Rain hasn't been flashy at all this tournament. He's quietly just had all-around solid play.

yangluphil

318 Posts

May 07 2018 01:15 GMT

#167

Same in SC2. Some people find him boring and 'nothing but solid'. Others salivate over his play, like artosis. Rain's replays often show how smart he is and he puts more apms than other protosses into things lost in broadcast instead of micros. You know on broadcast a lot of things seem to be 'game sense' but are really not.

GTR

51397 Posts

May 07 2018 02:04 GMT

#168

"By sun or by rain, he always delivers."

BigFan

TLADT24920 Posts

May 07 2018 02:28 GMT

#169

wow, this was quite unexpected. Would've never expected Rain to 3-1 hero, almost 3-0'd him too if it wasn't for him pushing too hard on Gladiator. What's amazing to me is always his macro. He always seems on top of it compared to someone like Snow who will bank resources and seems to allocate his apm elsewhere.

What really stood out is his planning. He explained his third world with the proxy gate making hero think its 2 gate to force 2 hatch muta then he countered with corsairs. Brilliant.!

I dunno tbh. Sure, his game isn't flashy but his games vs hero today were extremely solid. That first game was a fantastic display of Rain's usual PvZ style. Lots of multipronged frontal assaults with the occasional storm or dt drop. His decisions are also really good in "general". His game is macro with a solid plan.

Starlightsun

United States1405 Posts

May 07 2018 02:35 GMT

#170

Ugh all PvP from now on... so boring.

asongdotnet

United States1060 Posts

May 07 2018 03:05 GMT

#171

Was going to check out ASL live for the other semi's and the finals but ugh... PvP?

RKC

2848 Posts

May 07 2018 05:04 GMT

#172

On May 07 2018 11:28 BigFan wrote:
wow, this was quite unexpected. Would've never expected Rain to 3-1 hero, almost 3-0'd him too if it wasn't for him pushing too hard on Gladiator. What's amazing to me is always his macro. He always seems on top of it compared to someone like Snow who will bank resources and seems to allocate his apm elsewhere.

What really stood out is his planning. He explained his third world with the proxy gate making hero think its 2 gate to force 2 hatch muta then he countered with corsairs. Brilliant.!

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I find Rain's playstyle 'flashy' as Flash (sorry for broaching close to blasphemy here!). He has good game-sense, and very strategic-minded.

Cases in point: G1 vs hero and G1 vs Shuttle

He seemed to be taking 'bad trades' in 'bad positions', but gradually grind his opponents down, slowly but surely. Some may view his army management, micro and tactical play as poor, but I prefer to see it as his way of losing battles but winning the war. It's the same feeling I get seeing Flash's games - he makes some odd decisions, cut corners riskily, plays at a deficit, then somehow claws back to victory.

Not sure how else to put into words - it's their long-game strategic vision, and sheer confidence in executing their master-plan.

Starecat

934 Posts

May 07 2018 06:26 GMT

#173

On May 07 2018 11:35 Starlightsun wrote:
Ugh all PvP from now on... so boring.

Sincere there, PvP on BW is no where near awful to watch as PvP SC2 and Brood War ZvZ, i simply can't enjoy them.

BW TvT also deserves special mention if both players are turtling, the sound of Arclite Shock cannons grind your ears if it goes long.

Starlightsun

United States1405 Posts

May 07 2018 06:51 GMT

#174

On May 07 2018 15:26 Starecat wrote:

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I actually like TvT, especially if it's Flash playing. The static nature of the siege tanks really brings out the strategy side of RTS.

LocoBolon

Argentina243 Posts

May 07 2018 06:55 GMT

#175

I see a lot of negativity in these threads lately regarding how ppl percieved latest series of ASL, for me the games (not all ofc but many) are incredibly good, I more and more see everyday how out of control these guys are. I saw many games full of true genius, and many of them due to new and crazy maps, where regularly non-viable and unexpected strategy just happened:
Today we had a few, first game on transistor showed some hardcore protoss vs z managment example, Rains knew exactly when to rescind micro for the sake of macro, in fact the macro and reinforcement skills of the guy are something to watch plus his planning and mind games that won 100% of set 2 starting with a proxy gate that shaked Hero's world, such smart fella.
Another examples of how out of this world some games were are Snow 2 Robo vs Stork on Transistor wich allowed him that beautiful elevator drop and combat, Shuttle pvz on Third world also spectacular imo. and the most mind blowing Flash decition's making and execution to defend vs the fastest DT drop possible on sparkle the other day; go and pause the game the moment the shuttle appears in Flash's sight and drop the 1st dt right there, understand the situation (1 dt, 1 shuttle with possibly 1 or 2 more dt, no turrets, 1 scan, 3 marines) and the context, try to get inside Flash's head and watch the decitions he made that led to him to defend and then win the game, no other player can stand near God, no human could win that set from there. Ppl are not satisfied with the quality of the games? get out of here....
Maybe I'm beeing overoptimistic and ASL is creating some state of patological joy in me when watching it but I see many amazing things and find hard to connect with the discontent of some.
I think Snow will go to finals and I think games will be good at least, PvP can deliver some action packed fights. Congrats to Rain, he was brillant today.

Qikz

United Kingdom12022 Posts

May 07 2018 09:17 GMT

#176

The important thing guys is look at the PvPs we've had this tournament.

Rain vs Shuttle, Stork vs Snow. All of them have been epic as hell and we barely ever even get PvPs anymore. PvP is such a rare matchup these days as protoss have been struggling for a long time. It's not like it's blahblah vs blahblah, these are three of the current best PvP players in the world. The series are going to be amazing! PvP is rare, let's enjoy it!

Ikirouta

Finland727 Posts

May 07 2018 10:13 GMT

#177

On May 07 2018 11:35 Starlightsun wrote:
Ugh all PvP from now on... so boring.

PvP is the best matchup!

PVJ

Hungary5214 Posts

May 07 2018 10:29 GMT

#178

On May 07 2018 18:17 Qikz wrote:
The important thing guys is look at the PvPs we've had this tournament.

Rain vs Shuttle, Stork vs Snow. All of them have been epic as hell and we barely ever even get PvPs anymore. PvP is such a rare matchup these days as protoss have been struggling for a long time. It's not like it's blahblah vs blahblah, these are three of the current best PvP players in the world. The series are going to be amazing! PvP is rare, let's enjoy it!

Also, Stork v Horang2 with that 20+ kill gigantic storm blanket.

Djabanete

United States2786 Posts

May 07 2018 22:13 GMT

#179

A lot of games have been great, weird, or original, but there's also been an "engineered" feeling, by which I mean it feels like the organizers are trying to achieve very specific things with the maps [get Flash out of the picture ("turn around"), have a map with geysers that literally only one race can mine from].

I have no problem with PvP, and the remaining players have a done a great job to get where they are, but I don't like that engineered feeling. I hope the organizers can find a map selection procedure that keeps things fresh while maintaining individual map balance in the 45/55% range. I also hope they'll get some people with a background in statistics to try to piece together what various stats are telling them and establish what is or isn't meaningful. Maps make or break a tournament and I think they could do a bit better in that area, although the creativity is definitely there.

ggrrg

Bulgaria2716 Posts

May 07 2018 23:09 GMT

#180

On May 07 2018 15:26 Starecat wrote:

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I agree that sc2 PvP is more boring, but bw PvP is hardly much better than bw ZvZ imo
but i have to disagree with TvT being boring. imo Korean TvTs are very often very exciting to watch.