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Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States859 Posts
May 06 2018 16:51 GMT
#141
and this is why foreign tournaments and rm ladder should not add ridiculous maps like 3rd world, transistor, or sparkle just because it looks fun. Let this be a lesson.
Life is just life
ajmbek
Profile Joined November 2008
Italy460 Posts
May 06 2018 17:11 GMT
#142
lol de, Rain outplayed Hero
Sic iter ad astra
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
May 06 2018 17:13 GMT
#143
Good to see the protoss champion won't be that overrated Bisu though.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1000 Posts
May 06 2018 17:20 GMT
#144
^ lol
Not even sure one of them is actually close to Bisu level atm, as rusty as he might be.
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1143 Posts
May 06 2018 17:22 GMT
#145
On May 07 2018 01:14 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
transistor third world and sparkle are toss favored


Um not really.

Sparkle for sure.

Third World - mostly, but there are some ways out for Zerg.

Transistor - pretty balanced, it's all about build execution and decision making. It's still better than some maps that were gushed over as balanced in the past but in fact are a hotbed for Terran bullying.
TonDan
Profile Joined May 2018
65 Posts
May 06 2018 17:32 GMT
#146
watching this rain vs hero it occured to me that we really need to eliminate 'chink in the armor' from the English language. Hearing Tasteless say it on air was very jarring.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6505 Posts
May 06 2018 17:37 GMT
#147
On May 07 2018 02:22 oxKnu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2018 01:14 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
transistor third world and sparkle are toss favored


Um not really.

Sparkle for sure.

Third World - mostly, but there are some ways out for Zerg.

Transistor - pretty balanced, it's all about build execution and decision making. It's still better than some maps that were gushed over as balanced in the past but in fact are a hotbed for Terran bullying.

transistor is really toss favored,is not easy at all to hold a fourth expansion,and there are not many places to attack the toss army.this is why do you see most of protoss expanding for free..
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
May 06 2018 18:15 GMT
#148
On May 07 2018 01:51 Shinokuki wrote:
and this is why foreign tournaments and rm ladder should not add ridiculous maps like 3rd world, transistor, or sparkle just because it looks fun. Let this be a lesson.


Map balance literally does not play in a factor in low level games pretty much at all. Nobody is playing anywhere near close to perfectly.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
RxMidnight
Profile Joined July 2014
United States251 Posts
May 06 2018 18:20 GMT
#149
Even though Rain is my favorite protoss of the 3 left, I was rooting for hero so that we wouldn't have a mirror finals. Too bad.
oxKnu
Profile Joined December 2017
1143 Posts
May 06 2018 18:22 GMT
#150
On May 07 2018 02:37 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2018 02:22 oxKnu wrote:
On May 07 2018 01:14 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
transistor third world and sparkle are toss favored


Um not really.

Sparkle for sure.

Third World - mostly, but there are some ways out for Zerg.

Transistor - pretty balanced, it's all about build execution and decision making. It's still better than some maps that were gushed over as balanced in the past but in fact are a hotbed for Terran bullying.

transistor is really toss favored,is not easy at all to hold a fourth expansion,and there are not many places to attack the toss army.this is why do you see most of protoss expanding for free..


Drops and sneaky backdoor attacks.

Protoss is an immobile army, Transistor doesn't change that.
xccam
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Great Britain1150 Posts
May 06 2018 18:39 GMT
#151
On May 07 2018 01:14 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
transistor third world and sparkle are toss favored

Transistor is 54.3% ZvP according to Sponbbang

However, this is not the same sort of home court advantage as Protoss has on Sparkle or 3rd World.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
May 06 2018 18:47 GMT
#152
I think Third World just isn't figured out by zerg players yet. We see all of them going mass air against mass sair. Why?
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usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-06 19:45:43
May 06 2018 19:44 GMT
#153
On May 07 2018 02:20 TornadoSteve wrote:
^ lol
Not even sure one of them is actually close to Bisu level atm, as rusty as he might be.

By "Bisu level," you mean?

ASL2: Sea 3-0 Bisu
ASL3: Shine 3-1 Bisu
ASL4: God 3-1 Bisu
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States859 Posts
May 06 2018 20:06 GMT
#154
On May 07 2018 03:15 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2018 01:51 Shinokuki wrote:
and this is why foreign tournaments and rm ladder should not add ridiculous maps like 3rd world, transistor, or sparkle just because it looks fun. Let this be a lesson.


Map balance literally does not play in a factor in low level games pretty much at all. Nobody is playing anywhere near close to perfectly.


can you back this up with stats
Life is just life
orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
May 06 2018 20:12 GMT
#155
Really enjoying this ASL. Rain's game sense is really something. From SC2 success to BW, says much.
http://youtu.be/LfmrHTdXgK4
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
May 06 2018 20:27 GMT
#156
If Rain takes this tournament he is the first player to win a Starleague in both SC2 and BW right?
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
May 06 2018 20:44 GMT
#157
On May 07 2018 05:06 Shinokuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2018 03:15 Qikz wrote:
On May 07 2018 01:51 Shinokuki wrote:
and this is why foreign tournaments and rm ladder should not add ridiculous maps like 3rd world, transistor, or sparkle just because it looks fun. Let this be a lesson.


Map balance literally does not play in a factor in low level games pretty much at all. Nobody is playing anywhere near close to perfectly.


can you back this up with stats


How would that be possible in the slightest?
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 06 2018 21:01 GMT
#158
On May 07 2018 05:27 Valikyr wrote:
If Rain takes this tournament he is the first player to win a Starleague in both SC2 and BW right?

Yes, also the 5th to win a tier 1 tournament in both games (after Jaedong, FlaSh, ForGG and Hydra)
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1669 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-06 21:10:36
May 06 2018 21:08 GMT
#159
On May 07 2018 06:01 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2018 05:27 Valikyr wrote:
If Rain takes this tournament he is the first player to win a Starleague in both SC2 and BW right?

Yes, also the 5th to win a tier 1 tournament in both games (after Jaedong, FlaSh, ForGG and Hydra)


Meh Tier 1 and GSL / ASL / MSL / OSL are on very different levels

Flash never made it past the round of 16 for GSL i think, and JD ForGG or Hydra never did that well in GSL, while Rain won two fucking GSLs

I think Rain's accomplishment stands above these other "4"

Jaedong is definitely the closest with his 2nd place at Blizzcon in SC2

Also why the fuck are all of you so down on this Rain win? All of a sudden a player who has an amazing personality, very entertaining play style, extremely talented and amazing story comes into ASL and all you just whine about balance and maps and PvPs
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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5214 Posts
May 06 2018 22:22 GMT
#160
Totally caught me off guard, wouldn't have ever guessed this. Good showing!
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