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Jacenoob
Profile Joined August 2014
299 Posts
May 06 2018 12:09 GMT
#121
no idea about balance but games on that map just feel stupid and pointless
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
May 06 2018 12:10 GMT
#122
Legend of the kinda-fall-but-really-it's-not-even-summer
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13409 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-06 12:16:54
May 06 2018 12:16 GMT
#123
It’s a shame Sparkle is so rubbish for PvZ because it has produced some cool games in the other matchups.

I don’t mind them using a semi island map but they can’t use two. It’s too big a hurdle for T and Z to get over and skews it too far towards a Protoss winning.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
xccam
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Great Britain1150 Posts
May 06 2018 12:16 GMT
#124
On May 06 2018 21:08 Mnijykmirl wrote:
ASL 5 gonna be remembered as that poorly time season with a bunch of bad weird protoss maps

I like 3rd world and transistor
I can put up with the imbalances for fun games.
Sparkle is boring and badly balanced
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4351 Posts
May 06 2018 12:16 GMT
#125
PvP finals... only good thought I have is that it's not ZvZ :/
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-06 12:28:18
May 06 2018 12:26 GMT
#126
On May 06 2018 21:10 Ej_ wrote:
Legend of the kinda-fall-but-really-it's-not-even-summer

After the collapse of the God Emperor Lee Young Ho's Heavenly Mandate, professional Broodwar entered an era of protoss warlords vying for supremacy known as the Spring and Autumn Period.
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2609 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-06 16:16:45
May 06 2018 12:29 GMT
#127
The last time we had a PvP finals was 2008/09 GOMTV Averatec-Intel Classic Season 2 ((Wiki)2008/09 GOMTV Averatec-Intel Classic Season 2 ), so roughly 9 years ago... about time

TOSSAGI HWAITING
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
May 06 2018 12:32 GMT
#128
okay snow, it's all up to you now!
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
May 06 2018 12:43 GMT
#129
On May 06 2018 21:16 RowdierBob wrote:
It’s a shame Sparkle is so rubbish for PvZ because it has produced some cool games in the other matchups.


Sparkle games felt cool at the very beginning because it was new and exciting. At some point, it started feeling like one knows the winner of the match beforehand just based on the races.
The map itself is a total trainwreck looking at the stats. Both ZvP and TvZ seem pretty much unwinnable currently.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13409 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-06 12:54:23
May 06 2018 12:53 GMT
#130
Yes I think you’re right. I can’t see any way for them to keep Sparkle. I wonder if third world would benefit from having one of those Sparkle style expos where z can take the gas but the others can’t. It might be a map worth tinkering with a bit more.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4157 Posts
May 06 2018 13:04 GMT
#131
Seems like no zerg can win an ASL )
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
May 06 2018 13:08 GMT
#132
Sparkle was a mistake and it will be long gone. Mass Sairs are a bit too strong on third world imo.

All three players left are pvp masters? How would you rank them in terms of pvp prowess?
Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
May 06 2018 13:12 GMT
#133
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bd.Makin
Profile Joined August 2012
Chile104 Posts
May 06 2018 13:38 GMT
#134
bisu bad time to go to the army D:
ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
May 06 2018 14:34 GMT
#135
Rain really played Hero in the 2nd game. Hero probably thinks it's proxy 2 gate from the 1st zealot timing, when he could have defended and taken his natural. From that point, his best option is 2 hatch muta and Rain counters accordingly, really well thought out overall by Rain.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
May 06 2018 14:40 GMT
#136
On May 06 2018 19:27 RKC wrote:
Rain v Mini PvP finals would be perfect to kill the hype and as a karmic lesson not to mess up the map pool ever again


Excellent, everything is going as planned... *cackles*
gg no re thx
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4157 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-06 16:04:19
May 06 2018 16:01 GMT
#137
Aren't Transistor and Gladiator kind of Zerg favored vs Protoss and does that not mean that Hero had 3 favored maps to play on, while Rain 2? So its kind of Hero's fault that he did not take his home court advantage (if I may call it like this)
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6868 Posts
May 06 2018 16:14 GMT
#138
transistor third world and sparkle are toss favored
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
May 06 2018 16:18 GMT
#139
Asl is over for me 2 pvps, meh
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5458 Posts
May 06 2018 16:46 GMT
#140
Lol... 3 Protoss left. And none of them are dragons... That's not a great foresight.
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