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[ASL5] Semi-Final Rain vs hero
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Today's Mapset: Set 1: Transistor Set 2: Third World Set 3: Gladiator Set 4: Sparkle Set 5: Transistor | ||
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On May 06 2018 11:43 mierin wrote: This is your tournament, hero! Practice up on your ZvP and go out with a bang if you decide to go to the military. But pack map don't allow Hero to do it. Third World and Sparkle are really difficult for Zerg. But game 1, 5 is Transistor and game 4 is Sparkle. Perfect situation is 3 0 for Hero. | ||
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On May 06 2018 11:57 Golgotha wrote: now that flash is out, I really really want hero to win it all! either him or Snowy. I'd rather Snow won. hero is leaving for the military so if he wins, we'll get the whole "could anyone have been him had he stuck around". In one case, it would be perfect for hero because he won the last SSL and would now win the "last" ASL since he won't play in any more till he comes back. However, Snow beating Flash in such a close series, edging out Mini who's one of the best PvPers and then beating Rain/hero would be a much cooler story imo. He's also sticking around compared to hero so who will challenge the champion Snow?  | ||
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On May 06 2018 13:24 BigFan wrote: I'd rather Snow won. hero is leaving for the military so if he wins, we'll get the whole "could anyone have been him had he stuck around". In one case, it would be perfect for hero because he won the last SSL and would now win the "last" ASL since he won't play in any more till he comes back. However, Snow beating Flash in such a close series, edging out Mini who's one of the best PvPers and then beating Rain/hero would be a much cooler story imo. He's also sticking around compared to hero so who will challenge the champion Snow? yeah BigFan, I hear you. Flash v Snow should have been the finals. I'd even go far as saying that even if Snow or Hero wins the whole thing, the biggest win from this season will be Snow's win over flash. The highlight and most challenging match definitely won't be the finals. It was Flash v Snow and Snow won. I kinda already see Snow as the current reigning "king". My reason for wanting hero to win is because I've been so shitty towards him in the past since I didn't want him vs Flash. But he has proven me wrong and he is a killer player. It's just that Flash was unbeatable, it had nothing to do with Hero's ability. I really don't want Rain to win. It would kinda piss me off if Rain won before Bisu. | ||
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On May 06 2018 14:31 Alpha-NP- wrote: I think the maps favor Hero but Rain seems to get nervous offline. Maps almost certainly favor Rain since P >>>> Z on both Sparkle and Third World and Transistor/Gladiator are pretty even. But if anyone can pull this off it's hero. | ||
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On May 06 2018 14:31 Alpha-NP- wrote: I think the maps favor Hero but Rain seems to get nervous offline. They certainly favour Protoss. If you add up with likely win% of 5 balanced maps you would get 2.5 (each map being 0.5). This map pool is 2.294 - 2.706 in favour of Protoss. I'd like Hero to win, and I think he can do it, but I won't be betting against rain thanks to Sparkle and 3rd World. | ||
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On May 06 2018 17:51 GTR wrote: btw time on the sidebar is wrong, it's at 7pm kst as always Afreeca's Tweet threw us off | ||
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Since we're already here, let's see some Koreans provide quasi-relevant entertainment | ||
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Relevant. | ||
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On May 06 2018 11:36 BLinD-RawR wrote: Thats right friends, secondary english stream is back with our very own Ty2 Casting, be sure to support and watch him too! >> http://play.afreecatv.com/aslenglish2 << Also on the sidebar! | ||
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On May 06 2018 19:23 Motivate wrote: i just realised - no sound proof booths. are the headphones good enough to cancel the audience? The white noise blasted into the headphones is louder than the game sounds in players' buds. Booths never do anything. It's the headphones. | ||
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On May 06 2018 19:27 RKC wrote: Rain v Mini PvP finals would be perfect to kill the hype and as a karmic lesson not to mess up the map pool ever again lol this is cruel | ||
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On May 06 2018 19:38 xccam wrote: herO looking in a great position to me Well don't I look silly | ||
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Edit: These storms though | ||
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On May 06 2018 19:47 Ej_ wrote: Shouldn't Rain be getting worried about securing himself a 5th? Or he can just murder herO I guess. | ||
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xccam
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Rain winning this game is terrible for hero, hard for him to win the Bo5 now | ||
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On May 06 2018 19:52 BLinD-RawR wrote: Why are yes and no switched? Oo | ||
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Rains of this caliber are enough to get any female genitalia wet imo | ||
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Tasteless needs to stop saying "I think X may have just done it" and "Did X Just do it here?" like 20 times a game | ||
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Rain's play in SC2 is so safe, solid and passive. His BW style seems so different - has he always played like this during the KeSPA period, or this some new Rain we are seeing? | ||
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On May 06 2018 19:57 RKC wrote: I haven't seen as many Rain BW games as SC2. Rain's play in SC2 is so safe, solid and passive. His BW style seems so different - has he always played like this during the KeSPA period, or this some new Rain we are seeing? Different games. | ||
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On May 06 2018 20:21 GTR wrote: time to bring back the 3 hatch hydra busts Well, the map is perfect for it... | ||
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I dare assume FlaSh is pissed at the  race so much so that he would wish for it to drag down the final's appeal with a mirror match, so ..JD, on the other hand, is he a racist (with) or a homophobe (vs his racesake)? Quite conflicting because he might be jelly of his SC2 success, but quasi entertainment suggests amiability towards Rain. | ||
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On May 06 2018 20:25 WiMa11 wrote: Did anyone overcome a 0-2 disadvantage in asl ever? Sea almost did, but otherwise, in ASL no  Afreeca Starleague Season 1 | ||
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a PvP finals | ||
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On May 06 2018 16:28 byj wrote: Gogogo Hero! I didn't get any of my Ro8 liquibets right, please safe me! I am cursed | ||
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On May 06 2018 21:04 xccam wrote: Well ZvP on these maps IS ludicrous I have really no idea what the point of that game was. | ||
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PvP final | ||
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I don’t mind them using a semi island map but they can’t use two. It’s too big a hurdle for T and Z to get over and skews it too far towards a Protoss winning. | ||
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On May 06 2018 21:08 Mnijykmirl wrote: ASL 5 gonna be remembered as that poorly time season with a bunch of bad weird protoss maps I like 3rd world and transistor I can put up with the imbalances for fun games. Sparkle is boring and badly balanced | ||
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On May 06 2018 21:10 Ej_ wrote: Legend of the kinda-fall-but-really-it's-not-even-summer After the collapse of the God Emperor Lee Young Ho's Heavenly Mandate, professional Broodwar entered an era of protoss warlords vying for supremacy known as the Spring and Autumn Period. | ||
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2008/09 GOMTV Averatec-Intel Classic Season 2 ), so roughly 9 years ago... about time TOSSAGI HWAITING | ||
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On May 06 2018 21:16 RowdierBob wrote: It’s a shame Sparkle is so rubbish for PvZ because it has produced some cool games in the other matchups. Sparkle games felt cool at the very beginning because it was new and exciting. At some point, it started feeling like one knows the winner of the match beforehand just based on the races. The map itself is a total trainwreck looking at the stats. Both ZvP and TvZ seem pretty much unwinnable currently. | ||
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All three players left are pvp masters? How would you rank them in terms of pvp prowess? | ||
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A sad day for Hero fans. I can only wish Hero a safe journey. Zero, come back from the military already! | ||
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On May 06 2018 19:27 RKC wrote: Rain v Mini PvP finals would be perfect to kill the hype and as a karmic lesson not to mess up the map pool ever again Excellent, everything is going as planned... *cackles* | ||
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Not even sure one of them is actually close to Bisu level atm, as rusty as he might be. | ||
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On May 07 2018 01:14 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: transistor third world and sparkle are toss favored Um not really. Sparkle for sure. Third World - mostly, but there are some ways out for Zerg. Transistor - pretty balanced, it's all about build execution and decision making. It's still better than some maps that were gushed over as balanced in the past but in fact are a hotbed for Terran bullying. | ||
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On May 07 2018 02:22 oxKnu wrote: Um not really. Sparkle for sure. Third World - mostly, but there are some ways out for Zerg. Transistor - pretty balanced, it's all about build execution and decision making. It's still better than some maps that were gushed over as balanced in the past but in fact are a hotbed for Terran bullying. transistor is really toss favored,is not easy at all to hold a fourth expansion,and there are not many places to attack the toss army.this is why do you see most of protoss expanding for free.. | ||
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On May 07 2018 01:51 Shinokuki wrote: and this is why foreign tournaments and rm ladder should not add ridiculous maps like 3rd world, transistor, or sparkle just because it looks fun. Let this be a lesson. Map balance literally does not play in a factor in low level games pretty much at all. Nobody is playing anywhere near close to perfectly. | ||
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On May 07 2018 02:37 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: transistor is really toss favored,is not easy at all to hold a fourth expansion,and there are not many places to attack the toss army.this is why do you see most of protoss expanding for free.. Drops and sneaky backdoor attacks. Protoss is an immobile army, Transistor doesn't change that. | ||
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On May 07 2018 01:14 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: transistor third world and sparkle are toss favored Transistor is 54.3% ZvP according to Sponbbang However, this is not the same sort of home court advantage as Protoss has on Sparkle or 3rd World. | ||
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On May 07 2018 02:20 TornadoSteve wrote: ^ lol Not even sure one of them is actually close to Bisu level atm, as rusty as he might be. By "Bisu level," you mean? ASL2: Sea 3-0 Bisu ASL3: Shine 3-1 Bisu ASL4: God 3-1 Bisu | ||
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On May 07 2018 03:15 Qikz wrote: Map balance literally does not play in a factor in low level games pretty much at all. Nobody is playing anywhere near close to perfectly. can you back this up with stats | ||
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How would that be possible in the slightest? | ||
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On May 07 2018 05:27 Valikyr wrote: If Rain takes this tournament he is the first player to win a Starleague in both SC2 and BW right? Yes, also the 5th to win a tier 1 tournament in both games (after Jaedong, FlaSh, ForGG and Hydra) | ||
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On May 07 2018 06:01 Ej_ wrote: Yes, also the 5th to win a tier 1 tournament in both games (after Jaedong, FlaSh, ForGG and Hydra) Meh Tier 1 and GSL / ASL / MSL / OSL are on very different levels Flash never made it past the round of 16 for GSL i think, and JD ForGG or Hydra never did that well in GSL, while Rain won two fucking GSLs I think Rain's accomplishment stands above these other "4" Jaedong is definitely the closest with his 2nd place at Blizzcon in SC2 Also why the fuck are all of you so down on this Rain win? All of a sudden a player who has an amazing personality, very entertaining play style, extremely talented and amazing story comes into ASL and all you just whine about balance and maps and PvPs | ||
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On May 07 2018 06:01 Ej_ wrote: Yes, also the 5th to win a tier 1 tournament in both games (after Jaedong, FlaSh, ForGG and Hydra) What does 'tier 1' even mean? Liquipedia counts dreamhacks, regional IEMs, ASUS ROG, WCS circuit and even HSC as 'premier tournaments'. | ||
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On May 06 2018 21:10 Ej_ wrote: Legend of the kinda-fall-but-really-it's-not-even-summer It's fall in the southern hemisphere! | ||
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On May 07 2018 09:55 BisuDagger wrote: In the finals and I still can't put a finger on why I don't find Rain impressive at all this tournament. I hope he can bring something special in the finals. IMO, Rain hasn't been flashy at all this tournament. He's quietly just had all-around solid play. | ||
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On May 07 2018 09:55 BisuDagger wrote: In the finals and I still can't put a finger on why I don't find Rain impressive at all this tournament. I hope he can bring something special in the finals. Same in SC2. Some people find him boring and 'nothing but solid'. Others salivate over his play, like artosis. Rain's replays often show how smart he is and he puts more apms than other protosses into things lost in broadcast instead of micros. You know on broadcast a lot of things seem to be 'game sense' but are really not. | ||
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What really stood out is his planning. He explained his third world with the proxy gate making hero think its 2 gate to force 2 hatch muta then he countered with corsairs. Brilliant.! On May 07 2018 09:55 BisuDagger wrote: In the finals and I still can't put a finger on why I don't find Rain impressive at all this tournament. I hope he can bring something special in the finals. I dunno tbh. Sure, his game isn't flashy but his games vs hero today were extremely solid. That first game was a fantastic display of Rain's usual PvZ style. Lots of multipronged frontal assaults with the occasional storm or dt drop. His decisions are also really good in "general". His game is macro with a solid plan. | ||
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On May 07 2018 11:28 BigFan wrote: wow, this was quite unexpected. Would've never expected Rain to 3-1 hero, almost 3-0'd him too if it wasn't for him pushing too hard on Gladiator. What's amazing to me is always his macro. He always seems on top of it compared to someone like Snow who will bank resources and seems to allocate his apm elsewhere. What really stood out is his planning. He explained his third world with the proxy gate making hero think its 2 gate to force 2 hatch muta then he countered with corsairs. Brilliant.! I dunno tbh. Sure, his game isn't flashy but his games vs hero today were extremely solid. That first game was a fantastic display of Rain's usual PvZ style. Lots of multipronged frontal assaults with the occasional storm or dt drop. His decisions are also really good in "general". His game is macro with a solid plan. I find Rain's playstyle 'flashy' as Flash (sorry for broaching close to blasphemy here!). He has good game-sense, and very strategic-minded. Cases in point: G1 vs hero and G1 vs Shuttle He seemed to be taking 'bad trades' in 'bad positions', but gradually grind his opponents down, slowly but surely. Some may view his army management, micro and tactical play as poor, but I prefer to see it as his way of losing battles but winning the war. It's the same feeling I get seeing Flash's games - he makes some odd decisions, cut corners riskily, plays at a deficit, then somehow claws back to victory. Not sure how else to put into words - it's their long-game strategic vision, and sheer confidence in executing their master-plan. | ||
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On May 07 2018 11:35 Starlightsun wrote: Ugh all PvP from now on... so boring. Sincere there, PvP on BW is no where near awful to watch as PvP SC2 and Brood War ZvZ, i simply can't enjoy them. BW TvT also deserves special mention if both players are turtling, the sound of Arclite Shock cannons grind your ears if it goes long. | ||
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On May 07 2018 15:26 Starecat wrote: Sincere there, PvP on BW is no where near awful to watch as PvP SC2 and Brood War ZvZ, i simply can't enjoy them. BW TvT also deserves special mention if both players are turtling, the sound of Arclite Shock cannons grind your ears if it goes long. I actually like TvT, especially if it's Flash playing. The static nature of the siege tanks really brings out the strategy side of RTS. | ||
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LocoBolon
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Today we had a few, first game on transistor showed some hardcore protoss vs z managment example, Rains knew exactly when to rescind micro for the sake of macro, in fact the macro and reinforcement skills of the guy are something to watch plus his planning and mind games that won 100% of set 2 starting with a proxy gate that shaked Hero's world, such smart fella. Another examples of how out of this world some games were are Snow 2 Robo vs Stork on Transistor wich allowed him that beautiful elevator drop and combat, Shuttle pvz on Third world also spectacular imo. and the most mind blowing Flash decition's making and execution to defend vs the fastest DT drop possible on sparkle the other day; go and pause the game the moment the shuttle appears in Flash's sight and drop the 1st dt right there, understand the situation (1 dt, 1 shuttle with possibly 1 or 2 more dt, no turrets, 1 scan, 3 marines) and the context, try to get inside Flash's head and watch the decitions he made that led to him to defend and then win the game, no other player can stand near God, no human could win that set from there. Ppl are not satisfied with the quality of the games? get out of here.... Maybe I'm beeing overoptimistic and ASL is creating some state of patological joy in me when watching it but I see many amazing things and find hard to connect with the discontent of some. I think Snow will go to finals and I think games will be good at least, PvP can deliver some action packed fights. Congrats to Rain, he was brillant today. | ||
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Qikz
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Rain vs Shuttle, Stork vs Snow. All of them have been epic as hell and we barely ever even get PvPs anymore. PvP is such a rare matchup these days as protoss have been struggling for a long time. It's not like it's blahblah vs blahblah, these are three of the current best PvP players in the world. The series are going to be amazing! PvP is rare, let's enjoy it! | ||
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On May 07 2018 11:35 Starlightsun wrote: Ugh all PvP from now on... so boring. PvP is the best matchup! | ||
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On May 07 2018 18:17 Qikz wrote: The important thing guys is look at the PvPs we've had this tournament. Rain vs Shuttle, Stork vs Snow. All of them have been epic as hell and we barely ever even get PvPs anymore. PvP is such a rare matchup these days as protoss have been struggling for a long time. It's not like it's blahblah vs blahblah, these are three of the current best PvP players in the world. The series are going to be amazing! PvP is rare, let's enjoy it! Also, Stork v Horang2 with that 20+ kill gigantic storm blanket. | ||
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Djabanete
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I have no problem with PvP, and the remaining players have a done a great job to get where they are, but I don't like that engineered feeling. I hope the organizers can find a map selection procedure that keeps things fresh while maintaining individual map balance in the 45/55% range. I also hope they'll get some people with a background in statistics to try to piece together what various stats are telling them and establish what is or isn't meaningful. Maps make or break a tournament and I think they could do a bit better in that area, although the creativity is definitely there. | ||
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Bulgaria2716 Posts
On May 07 2018 15:26 Starecat wrote: Sincere there, PvP on BW is no where near awful to watch as PvP SC2 and Brood War ZvZ, i simply can't enjoy them. BW TvT also deserves special mention if both players are turtling, the sound of Arclite Shock cannons grind your ears if it goes long. I agree that sc2 PvP is more boring, but bw PvP is hardly much better than bw ZvZ imo but i have to disagree with TvT being boring. imo Korean TvTs are very often very exciting to watch. | ||
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SaraLing
9 Posts
https://www.sc2links.com/tournament/?match=533 Thanks in advance. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On May 08 2018 14:46 SaraLing wrote: Sorry in case it was already mentioned here, but where can I watch a replay of the game? Usually sc2links offers the VODs but it seems they didn't update the page since the quarterfinals? https://www.sc2links.com/tournament/?match=533 Thanks in advance. No worries, small vod thread is always your friend: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-tournaments/402419-small-vod-thread-20?page=76#1504 | ||
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TaardadAiel
Bulgaria750 Posts
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Starecat
934 Posts
On May 08 2018 08:09 ggrrg wrote: I agree that sc2 PvP is more boring, but bw PvP is hardly much better than bw ZvZ imo but i have to disagree with TvT being boring. imo Korean TvTs are very often very exciting to watch. The only problem for me to watch is that they keep old audio setting from the OSL days were the game is loud as hell in comparison to a SC2 cast and the Siege Tank fire keep spiking and spiking your headset. Also the kinda bummer part of the nature of the match-up anything that comes out of the barracks is useless and koreans abandoned Ghosts for understandable reasons but yeah. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66145 Posts
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Barneyk
Sweden304 Posts
On May 09 2018 18:31 konadora wrote: this was one of the most underwhelming series i've watched in a while It is fascinating how different our experiences can be, I thought it was great. Even the last game on Sparkle was OK, Rains reaver control was bonkers vs the hydras. I felt like Hero could've done a much better job with controlling his hydras there though... On May 06 2018 21:16 RowdierBob wrote: It’s a shame Sparkle is so rubbish for PvZ because it has produced some cool games in the other matchups. I don’t mind them using a semi island map but they can’t use two. It’s too big a hurdle for T and Z to get over and skews it too far towards a Protoss winning. Yeah, I think TvP and the mirror matchups are really interesting to see on Sparkle. TvZ and PvZ just don't work though, but I would love to see some more tweaking with the concept and see what kind of games we get. I would love to see a more regular season play out over a longer period of time, and then the current ASL format being the play offs. Having 7 maps or so in the map pool over a longer season, then keeping 4 maps for the play offs. Having all 4 maps being non-standard this season felt a bit messy. Still exciting and enjoyable for me though! On May 07 2018 06:08 ShowTheLights wrote: Also why the fuck are all of you so down on this Rain win? All of a sudden a player who has an amazing personality, very entertaining play style, extremely talented and amazing story comes into ASL and all you just whine about balance and maps and PvPs This is my biggest problem with the maps, they steal so much focus from the players. There have been some great games and it has been really exciting to see how people adapt and what strategies they go for etc. Some has handled it a lot better than others. On May 07 2018 15:55 LocoBolon wrote: I see a lot of negativity in these threads lately regarding how ppl percieved latest series of ASL, for me the games (not all ofc but many) are incredibly good, I more and more see everyday how out of control these guys are. I saw many games full of true genius, and many of them due to new and crazy maps, where regularly non-viable and unexpected strategy just happened: Today we had a few, first game on transistor showed some hardcore protoss vs z managment example, Rains knew exactly when to rescind micro for the sake of macro, in fact the macro and reinforcement skills of the guy are something to watch plus his planning and mind games that won 100% of set 2 starting with a proxy gate that shaked Hero's world, such smart fella. Another examples of how out of this world some games were are Snow 2 Robo vs Stork on Transistor wich allowed him that beautiful elevator drop and combat, Shuttle pvz on Third world also spectacular imo. and the most mind blowing Flash decition's making and execution to defend vs the fastest DT drop possible on sparkle the other day; go and pause the game the moment the shuttle appears in Flash's sight and drop the 1st dt right there, understand the situation (1 dt, 1 shuttle with possibly 1 or 2 more dt, no turrets, 1 scan, 3 marines) and the context, try to get inside Flash's head and watch the decitions he made that led to him to defend and then win the game, no other player can stand near God, no human could win that set from there. Ppl are not satisfied with the quality of the games? get out of here.... Maybe I'm beeing overoptimistic and ASL is creating some state of patological joy in me when watching it but I see many amazing things and find hard to connect with the discontent of some. I think Snow will go to finals and I think games will be good at least, PvP can deliver some action packed fights. Congrats to Rain, he was brillant today. I agree! Man, I still can't believe that its 2018 and I am watching high quality world class Broodwar games in HD with english commentators in my livingroom on my 65" TV. I am just so damn happy about it! I never thought this was going to happen again when the KESPA era ended. On May 08 2018 14:46 SaraLing wrote: Sorry in case it was already mentioned here, but where can I watch a replay of the game? Usually sc2links offers the VODs but it seems they didn't update the page since the quarterfinals? https://www.sc2links.com/tournament/?match=533 Thanks in advance. I recommend subscribing to AfreecaTVs youtube channel so you get all the updates: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK5eBtuoj_HkdXKHNmBLAXg Here is the replay of the games: | ||
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