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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-08 12:02:52
October 08 2017 03:05 GMT
#1

Afreeca Starleague Season 4


Sunday, Oct 08 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)


(Wiki)Afreeca Starleague Season 4


Casters & Hosts


Tasteless | Artosis
EsportsJohn | FlashFTW


Streams


Korean Afreeca Stream
ENG Afreeca Stream
(Tastosis)

ENG2 Afreeca Stream
(EsportsJohn and FlashFTW)


Matchups and Maps



[image loading]      [image loading]
(P)Bisu              (T)Mind

[image loading]      [image loading]
(P)Shuttle              (T)sSak





Results


+ Show Spoiler [Full results] +




Recommended Games


+ Show Spoiler [Bisu vs Mind] +
Poll: Recommend Bisu vs Mind?

Yes (30)
 
81%

If you have time (7)
 
19%

No (0)
 
0%

37 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Bisu vs Mind?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


+ Show Spoiler [Shuttle vs sSak] +
Poll: Recommend Shuttle vs sSak?

If you have time (3)
 
50%

No (2)
 
33%

Yes (1)
 
17%

6 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Shuttle vs sSak?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


+ Show Spoiler [Winners Match] +
Poll: Recommend Winner's Game?

Yes (19)
 
63%

If you have time (6)
 
20%

No (5)
 
17%

30 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Winner's Game?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


+ Show Spoiler [Losers Match] +
Poll: Recommend Loser's Game?

If you have time (12)
 
60%

Yes (4)
 
20%

No (4)
 
20%

20 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Loser's Game?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


+ Show Spoiler [Final Match] +
Poll: Recommend Final Game?

If you have time (16)
 
62%

Yes (8)
 
31%

No (2)
 
8%

26 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Final Game?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time





CSS: FO-nTTaX
Banner: Afreeca

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
October 08 2017 03:05 GMT
#2
kept you waiting huh
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
October 08 2017 03:15 GMT
#3
MY BODY IS READY
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
October 08 2017 03:19 GMT
#4
Poll: Are you ready to see Bisu get rekted?

No. (34)
 
76%

Yes. (11)
 
24%

45 total votes

Your vote: Are you ready to see Bisu get rekted?

(Vote): Yes.
(Vote): No.

VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
October 08 2017 05:05 GMT
#5
It's time for Bisu to take back his crown! And it begins right here in this group where he shall leave with nothing but dust behind him.
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
gamapg
Profile Joined January 2010
Philippines189 Posts
October 08 2017 05:13 GMT
#6
BISU PLEASE......

DONT BREAK MY HEART FOR A 4th TIME

NO "SHINE" CUZ ITS YOUR TIME TO SHINE <3

I'm a bisu fanboy fite mi >_<
YASHSHAKAR
Profile Joined April 2017
United States75 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-08 18:18:02
October 08 2017 05:20 GMT
#7
NAW TODAY IS BISU'S DAY! He's got a bone to pick with Mind so he will show out.


I am making a prediction. Bisu win against Mind with Carriers. Get Hyped!
My wallet for Aiur
Season
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States301 Posts
October 08 2017 05:24 GMT
#8
The two week wait was almost too much >_< Especially with how good these next two groups are. Hoping for some Bisu dominance followed by whoever will do better against Flash. (which would be who by the way? I'm unsure)
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
October 08 2017 05:40 GMT
#9
sSak will be the first to advance.
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2606 Posts
October 08 2017 06:38 GMT
#10
Bisu and sSak to advance.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2038 Posts
October 08 2017 06:51 GMT
#11
Ssak and Mind all day erry day
#1 Jaehoon Fan! 김재훈 화팅!
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
October 08 2017 07:52 GMT
#12
Been waiting too long... and matches start right after I board a flight. FML
I can take that responsibility.
bioboyAT
Profile Joined July 2004
Austria1763 Posts
October 08 2017 08:07 GMT
#13
Oh boy, Bisu easily got this group. This is gonna be fun!
Milchmann | DeadVessel: Milchmann pwns. I fail.
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2750 Posts
October 08 2017 08:12 GMT
#14
So hyped !!
hipaul
Profile Joined May 2009
United States274 Posts
October 08 2017 09:02 GMT
#15
shuttle fighting!
SAMSUNG KHAN | tensai[ra] on iccup | Stork, Jangbi, Roro, Shine, Reality, Turn | Miss you Grape even though you failed in pvp and Brave the King of Chain Reaction
mastakilla[Xp]
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany93 Posts
October 08 2017 09:15 GMT
#16
I am a little afraid of Bisu. He lost a lot of PvT in his streams recently...
Nowadays I think that T is overpowered =) P has almost no chance in a max fight to win.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
October 08 2017 09:35 GMT
#17
lets goooooo
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
October 08 2017 09:53 GMT
#18
8 mins to get hyped. Let's do this.
superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3683 Posts
October 08 2017 09:59 GMT
#19
Mind and Shuttle will advance.
Mrwl
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Sweden339 Posts
October 08 2017 10:02 GMT
#20
Will there be no english secondary stream today?
BW heyo
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
October 08 2017 10:03 GMT
#21
On October 08 2017 19:02 Mrwl wrote:
Will there be no english secondary stream today?


its online
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
hixhix
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
1156 Posts
October 08 2017 10:05 GMT
#22
Is there a non-flash stream? Afreeca requires flash
Race Bannon
Profile Blog Joined February 2016
689 Posts
October 08 2017 10:06 GMT
#23
What's with shuttle's footwear?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KqEaAHqYkig Original Message From Tumblewood: dear god
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
October 08 2017 10:07 GMT
#24
On October 08 2017 19:05 hixhix wrote:
Is there a non-flash stream? Afreeca requires flash


Wondering the same. Has ASL stopped broadcasting on Twitch?
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Mrwl
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Sweden339 Posts
October 08 2017 10:08 GMT
#25
On October 08 2017 19:03 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 19:02 Mrwl wrote:
Will there be no english secondary stream today?


its online


Awesome!
BW heyo
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
October 08 2017 10:09 GMT
#26
On October 08 2017 19:07 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 19:05 hixhix wrote:
Is there a non-flash stream? Afreeca requires flash


Wondering the same. Has ASL stopped broadcasting on Twitch?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/526611-regarding-streaming-of-asl
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
October 08 2017 10:09 GMT
#27
In for carriers
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3683 Posts
October 08 2017 10:10 GMT
#28
On October 08 2017 19:05 hixhix wrote:
Is there a non-flash stream? Afreeca requires flash

I use Safari (Mac) and use set the user agent as iOS, then afreeca uses its html5 stream. I assume other browsers can do the same trick.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
October 08 2017 10:10 GMT
#29
On October 08 2017 19:05 hixhix wrote:
Is there a non-flash stream? Afreeca requires flash


Change the settings at the bottom right to HTML5. Yes, it sucks that it's not on Twitch
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-08 10:12:01
October 08 2017 10:11 GMT
#30
On October 08 2017 19:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 19:07 Grettin wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:05 hixhix wrote:
Is there a non-flash stream? Afreeca requires flash


Wondering the same. Has ASL stopped broadcasting on Twitch?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/526611-regarding-streaming-of-asl


Thanks BR, missed this one. Understandable but at the same time this sucks.

On October 08 2017 19:10 sixfour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 19:05 hixhix wrote:
Is there a non-flash stream? Afreeca requires flash


Change the settings at the bottom right to HTML5. Yes, it sucks that it's not on Twitch


Thank you.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3683 Posts
October 08 2017 10:12 GMT
#31
Where's Tasteless? Who is this other dude?
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
October 08 2017 10:13 GMT
#32
On October 08 2017 19:12 superjoppe wrote:
Where's Tasteless? Who is this other dude?


No Tasteless? I may have to switch off John/Flash if the main casters are tolerable
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
October 08 2017 10:15 GMT
#33
Bisu > Mind
Shuttle > Ssak
Shuttle > Bisu
Mind < Ssak
Bisu < Ssak
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
October 08 2017 10:17 GMT
#34
Stream is lagging like hell. I cant watch this Such a disappointment
aya888888
Profile Joined September 2017
29 Posts
October 08 2017 10:19 GMT
#35
On October 08 2017 19:10 sixfour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 19:05 hixhix wrote:
Is there a non-flash stream? Afreeca requires flash


Change the settings at the bottom right to HTML5. Yes, it sucks that it's not on Twitch

Afreeca stop and cant load when I use HTML5

Here is the link for stream

English 1
http://play.afreecatv.com/aslenglish

English 2
http://play.afreecatv.com/aslenglish2

Korean FOV
http://play.afreecatv.com/afstar3
Dantak
Profile Joined January 2006
Czech Republic648 Posts
October 08 2017 10:20 GMT
#36
omg Rapid :/. Why the hell is this dude still commentating. Have to mute the stream :/. I hate to hate but this guy's commentating skills...
"Life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery." - f33red k0r34n z3rg
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
October 08 2017 10:21 GMT
#37
lagging a lot
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
October 08 2017 10:21 GMT
#38
"I am so impressed and angry!"
Mrwl
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Sweden339 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-08 10:22:03
October 08 2017 10:21 GMT
#39
Artosis is just annoying to watch sadly. I wish they would talk more about the game. Go EsportsJohn and FlashFTW :D
BW heyo
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
October 08 2017 10:21 GMT
#40
dat.. probe..
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
October 08 2017 10:24 GMT
#41
Is this pylon placement (in order to spot drops I guess?) common or does it indicate something?
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
October 08 2017 10:25 GMT
#42
Thank god, no Bisu shuttle today
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
October 08 2017 10:26 GMT
#43
Is bisu just rushing carriers? Well fair enough
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
October 08 2017 10:27 GMT
#44
Greed city
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2747 Posts
October 08 2017 10:32 GMT
#45
i missed the opening, how did they get to midgame?
superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3683 Posts
October 08 2017 10:33 GMT
#46
On October 08 2017 19:20 Dantak wrote:
omg Rapid :/. Why the hell is this dude still commentating. Have to mute the stream :/. I hate to hate but this guy's commentating skills...

Well he can't provide less knowledge than Tasteless. So I'm happy.
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
October 08 2017 10:33 GMT
#47
Streams are unwatchable for me. Which is pretty disapointing.
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
October 08 2017 10:33 GMT
#48
On October 08 2017 19:32 Navane wrote:
i missed the opening, how did they get to midgame?


CC first into fast third on one fact for Mind, Bisu gas stole and then tried to harass with a Reaver which was blocked by army movement and turrets. There was one small push from Terran that was barely held as Bisu got out his Carriers. Now we're here.
superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3683 Posts
October 08 2017 10:34 GMT
#49
On October 08 2017 19:32 Navane wrote:
i missed the opening, how did they get to midgame?

T went CC, fact, CC. P went Nexus with early reaver and very early carriers.
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
October 08 2017 10:34 GMT
#50
so many free tanks
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
October 08 2017 10:35 GMT
#51
woo lets go beesuit
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
October 08 2017 10:35 GMT
#52
Poll: Recommend Bisu vs Mind?

Yes (30)
 
81%

If you have time (7)
 
19%

No (0)
 
0%

37 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Bisu vs Mind?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
Race Bannon
Profile Blog Joined February 2016
689 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-08 10:37:18
October 08 2017 10:36 GMT
#53
gg
Those of you getting unbearable lag did you try watching on afreeca with high or medium quality?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KqEaAHqYkig Original Message From Tumblewood: dear god
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5478 Posts
October 08 2017 10:37 GMT
#54
Holy fucking hell, is bisu back in form?

I haven't seen him play this well in years. Perfect Probe Micro --->> Perfect Reaver Micro --->> Perfect Goon Micro --->> Perfect Carrier Micro
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
October 08 2017 10:37 GMT
#55
Such clean execution by Bisu, quite impressive!
Enter a Uh
Mrwl
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Sweden339 Posts
October 08 2017 10:37 GMT
#56
On October 08 2017 19:33 superjoppe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 19:20 Dantak wrote:
omg Rapid :/. Why the hell is this dude still commentating. Have to mute the stream :/. I hate to hate but this guy's commentating skills...

Well he can't provide less knowledge than Tasteless. So I'm happy.


I would advise to watch Afreeca ASL EN2 instead, they be dropping some sick knowledge bombs
BW heyo
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
October 08 2017 10:37 GMT
#57
That was awesome!
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
October 08 2017 10:37 GMT
#58
On October 08 2017 19:20 Dantak wrote:
omg Rapid :/. Why the hell is this dude still commentating. Have to mute the stream :/. I hate to hate but this guy's commentating skills...

Why would you watch the English stream and mute the volume. Watch the Korean.
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
October 08 2017 10:37 GMT
#59
Nice talent toi have
The copyright of this post belongs solely to me. Nobody else, not teamliquid, not greetech and not even blizzard have any share of this copyright. You can copy, distribute, use in commercial purposes the content of this post or parts of it freely.
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5478 Posts
October 08 2017 10:38 GMT
#60
On October 08 2017 19:35 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Poll: Recommend Bisu vs Mind?

Yes (30)
 
81%

If you have time (7)
 
19%

No (0)
 
0%

37 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Bisu vs Mind?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time


Amazing game.

I half expected him to do some kind of early zealot pressure/Proxy gate cheese, like he has been doing a lot over the past 2-3 seasons
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2747 Posts
October 08 2017 10:38 GMT
#61
On October 08 2017 19:33 Heartland wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 19:32 Navane wrote:
i missed the opening, how did they get to midgame?


CC first into fast third on one fact for Mind, Bisu gas stole and then tried to harass with a Reaver which was blocked by army movement and turrets. There was one small push from Terran that was barely held as Bisu got out his Carriers. Now we're here.



On October 08 2017 19:34 superjoppe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 19:32 Navane wrote:
i missed the opening, how did they get to midgame?

T went CC, fact, CC. P went Nexus with early reaver and very early carriers.



Thanks guys!
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5478 Posts
October 08 2017 10:40 GMT
#62
On October 08 2017 19:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 19:07 Grettin wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:05 hixhix wrote:
Is there a non-flash stream? Afreeca requires flash


Wondering the same. Has ASL stopped broadcasting on Twitch?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/526611-regarding-streaming-of-asl

I understand the logic behind this, since Afreeca runs it, but it kind of killed the foreign viewership, dropping it to a quarter of what it was on twitch.

Afreeca isn't really a user friendly service + it doesn't have the established user base.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
October 08 2017 10:41 GMT
#63
afreeca has an html5 player, you can switch in settings
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
October 08 2017 10:43 GMT
#64
Please lord, protect us from the horror that is PvP
superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3683 Posts
October 08 2017 10:47 GMT
#65
On October 08 2017 19:40 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 19:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:07 Grettin wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:05 hixhix wrote:
Is there a non-flash stream? Afreeca requires flash


Wondering the same. Has ASL stopped broadcasting on Twitch?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/526611-regarding-streaming-of-asl

I understand the logic behind this, since Afreeca runs it, but it kind of killed the foreign viewership, dropping it to a quarter of what it was on twitch.

Afreeca isn't really a user friendly service + it doesn't have the established user base.

I know there is another topic about this discussion. But I have to say it again. I don't understand the logic. Afreeca will never be big in the west. Why not have the korean stream on afreeca, and the English stream on twitch?
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
October 08 2017 10:48 GMT
#66
If terran is going to be super greedy and take a quick third, why doesnt protoss take a fourth really quickly?
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3683 Posts
October 08 2017 10:48 GMT
#67
On October 08 2017 19:41 batsnacks wrote:
afreeca has an html5 player, you can switch in settings

I can only see the html5 switch after I have flash installed. Not the greatest UI design.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51425 Posts
October 08 2017 10:49 GMT
#68
lol can you not pause in observer mode? lmao
Commentator
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
October 08 2017 10:50 GMT
#69
On October 08 2017 19:49 GTR wrote:
lol can you not pause in observer mode? lmao

Apparently, that caught players offguard it seems.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Race Bannon
Profile Blog Joined February 2016
689 Posts
October 08 2017 10:50 GMT
#70
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KqEaAHqYkig Original Message From Tumblewood: dear god
razorsuKe
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada2000 Posts
October 08 2017 10:50 GMT
#71
On October 08 2017 19:49 GTR wrote:
lol can you not pause in observer mode? lmao


oh interesting, I hope that's the case cause that was the longest non-action for a "pp" ever
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10126 Posts
October 08 2017 10:50 GMT
#72
On October 08 2017 19:49 GTR wrote:
lol can you not pause in observer mode? lmao

lol i guess not.

somehow if this was kespa, they would find a reason to DQ ssak xD
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superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3683 Posts
October 08 2017 10:51 GMT
#73
On October 08 2017 19:49 GTR wrote:
lol can you not pause in observer mode? lmao

Players get auto loss if they pause, but only players can pause?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
October 08 2017 10:51 GMT
#74
On October 08 2017 19:48 superjoppe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 19:41 batsnacks wrote:
afreeca has an html5 player, you can switch in settings

I can only see the html5 switch after I have flash installed. Not the greatest UI design.

yeah I've been having some problems too. source is broken and had to install some kind of "hd player" to watch today?
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
October 08 2017 10:51 GMT
#75
Amazing.
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Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
October 08 2017 10:54 GMT
#76
Stream is a go again for me now that Bisu isn't playing.I wonder if those things are connected.
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
October 08 2017 10:54 GMT
#77
Protoss crushing it today.
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Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-08 10:55:27
October 08 2017 10:55 GMT
#78
Really slow on pulling his SCVs there sSak.
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
October 08 2017 10:55 GMT
#79
He forgot to build interceptors?
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Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
October 08 2017 10:56 GMT
#80
Carriers as a destraction for the reaver.
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5478 Posts
October 08 2017 10:57 GMT
#81
On October 08 2017 19:43 Heartland wrote:
Please lord, protect us from the horror that is PvP


What do you mean Bisu PvP is amazing!

He has a 22-3 record in PvP currently, It is by far his best match up.
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AManHasNoName
Profile Joined September 2017
United States165 Posts
October 08 2017 10:57 GMT
#82
On October 08 2017 19:47 superjoppe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 19:40 thezanursic wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:07 Grettin wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:05 hixhix wrote:
Is there a non-flash stream? Afreeca requires flash


Wondering the same. Has ASL stopped broadcasting on Twitch?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/brood-war/526611-regarding-streaming-of-asl

I understand the logic behind this, since Afreeca runs it, but it kind of killed the foreign viewership, dropping it to a quarter of what it was on twitch.

Afreeca isn't really a user friendly service + it doesn't have the established user base.

I know there is another topic about this discussion. But I have to say it again. I don't understand the logic. Afreeca will never be big in the west. Why not have the korean stream on afreeca, and the English stream on twitch?


Because Afreeca has agreements with sponsors regarding the broadcasting of this event. Since they couldn't come to an agreement with Twitch to honor those sponsor contracts, it's simply not an option...
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
October 08 2017 10:57 GMT
#83
On October 08 2017 19:57 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 19:43 Heartland wrote:
Please lord, protect us from the horror that is PvP


What do you mean Bisu PvP is amazing!

He has a 22-3 record in PvP currently, It is by far his best match up.


no you don't understand

PvP is garbage
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Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
October 08 2017 11:00 GMT
#84
sSak moving before he got trapped in there.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
October 08 2017 11:00 GMT
#85
That was a lot of turrets Shuttle fought into.
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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5478 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-08 11:02:08
October 08 2017 11:00 GMT
#86
On October 08 2017 19:57 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 19:57 thezanursic wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:43 Heartland wrote:
Please lord, protect us from the horror that is PvP


What do you mean Bisu PvP is amazing!

He has a 22-3 record in PvP currently, It is by far his best match up.


no you don't understand

PvP is garbage

Sarcasm?

PvP is a fun match up, imho

Honestly the only MU I don't like is ZvZ. TvZ>TvP>PvZ>TvT>PvP>>>>>ZvZ
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Race Bannon
Profile Blog Joined February 2016
689 Posts
October 08 2017 11:00 GMT
#87
Same build, arguably used better by shuttle.
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AManHasNoName
Profile Joined September 2017
United States165 Posts
October 08 2017 11:00 GMT
#88
PvP inc! PogChamp monkaS9

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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
October 08 2017 11:01 GMT
#89
On October 08 2017 20:00 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 19:57 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:57 thezanursic wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:43 Heartland wrote:
Please lord, protect us from the horror that is PvP


What do you mean Bisu PvP is amazing!

He has a 22-3 record in PvP currently, It is by far his best match up.


no you don't understand

PvP is garbage

Sarcasm?

PvP is a fun match up, imho


its the worst mirror
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chuDr3t4
Profile Joined April 2010
Russian Federation484 Posts
October 08 2017 11:02 GMT
#90
Nice tactics by Bisu, losing ASL3 Ro4 to get seeded into ASL4 Group C not B and having time to prepare and figure out the map.
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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5478 Posts
October 08 2017 11:02 GMT
#91
On October 08 2017 20:01 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 20:00 thezanursic wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:57 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:57 thezanursic wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:43 Heartland wrote:
Please lord, protect us from the horror that is PvP


What do you mean Bisu PvP is amazing!

He has a 22-3 record in PvP currently, It is by far his best match up.


no you don't understand

PvP is garbage

Sarcasm?

PvP is a fun match up, imho


its the worst mirror


Clearly that's ZvZ
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RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
October 08 2017 11:02 GMT
#92
On October 08 2017 20:00 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 19:57 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:57 thezanursic wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:43 Heartland wrote:
Please lord, protect us from the horror that is PvP


What do you mean Bisu PvP is amazing!

He has a 22-3 record in PvP currently, It is by far his best match up.


no you don't understand

PvP is garbage

Sarcasm?

PvP is a fun match up, imho

Honestly the only MU I don't like is ZvZ. TvZ>TvP>PvZ>TvT>PvP>>>>>ZvZ

You forgot JvZ in the list.
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jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
October 08 2017 11:03 GMT
#93
wow, flash might actually be the only terran in the ro8
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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5478 Posts
October 08 2017 11:03 GMT
#94
On October 08 2017 20:00 AManHasNoName wrote:
PvP inc! PogChamp monkaS9

No. Are you crazy. Ssak just played way worse than Mind.

Bisu's control was infinitely better.
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superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3683 Posts
October 08 2017 11:04 GMT
#95
The death of tesagi? I've waited 20 years.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
October 08 2017 11:04 GMT
#96
On October 08 2017 20:02 thezanursic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 20:01 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On October 08 2017 20:00 thezanursic wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:57 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:57 thezanursic wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:43 Heartland wrote:
Please lord, protect us from the horror that is PvP


What do you mean Bisu PvP is amazing!

He has a 22-3 record in PvP currently, It is by far his best match up.


no you don't understand

PvP is garbage

Sarcasm?

PvP is a fun match up, imho


its the worst mirror


Clearly that's ZvZ


tell me of the good PvPs since taekbang rok.
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arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
October 08 2017 11:04 GMT
#97
On October 08 2017 20:02 chuDr3t4 wrote:
Nice tactics by Bisu, losing ASL3 Ro4 to get seeded into ASL4 Group C not B and having time to prepare and figure out the map.

LOL, that's the best excuse for his trash games in semifinals of last ASL.
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THE Sliggy
Profile Blog Joined September 2017
Australia65 Posts
October 08 2017 11:04 GMT
#98
On October 08 2017 20:01 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 20:00 thezanursic wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:57 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:57 thezanursic wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:43 Heartland wrote:
Please lord, protect us from the horror that is PvP


What do you mean Bisu PvP is amazing!

He has a 22-3 record in PvP currently, It is by far his best match up.


no you don't understand

PvP is garbage

Sarcasm?

PvP is a fun match up, imho


its the worst mirror


ZvZ is 100% the worst mirror.
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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5478 Posts
October 08 2017 11:04 GMT
#99
On October 08 2017 20:03 jtan wrote:
wow, flash might actually be the only terran in the ro8

Flash is all it takes for Terran to win this season
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Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
October 08 2017 11:06 GMT
#100
I don't understand the word structure of tesagi. Is it T for terran then 사기. In which case we can just change it to Flash사기. Anyway the point is Flash is overpowered not Terran.
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
October 08 2017 11:06 GMT
#101
Nice, so Flash will have one matchup less to practice already. Probably by the semifinals there will be no P left, so FvZ to rule 'em all!
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thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5478 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-08 11:08:07
October 08 2017 11:07 GMT
#102
On October 08 2017 20:04 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 20:02 thezanursic wrote:
On October 08 2017 20:01 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On October 08 2017 20:00 thezanursic wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:57 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:57 thezanursic wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:43 Heartland wrote:
Please lord, protect us from the horror that is PvP


What do you mean Bisu PvP is amazing!

He has a 22-3 record in PvP currently, It is by far his best match up.


no you don't understand

PvP is garbage

Sarcasm?

PvP is a fun match up, imho


its the worst mirror


Clearly that's ZvZ


tell me of the good PvPs since taekbang rok.


That Electric Circuit game where Bisu was playing I think Shuttle or Movie, 2 seasons ago. I remember Bisu was bottom right and the opponent waas top left.

I don't precisely remember who the opponent was.
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tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
October 08 2017 11:08 GMT
#103
On October 08 2017 19:57 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 19:57 thezanursic wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:43 Heartland wrote:
Please lord, protect us from the horror that is PvP


What do you mean Bisu PvP is amazing!

He has a 22-3 record in PvP currently, It is by far his best match up.


no you don't understand

PvP is garbage

I think every matuchup is fun when you are paying attention to the nuances and generally investing some passion into it. If you decide its "garbage" i think you have already made up your mind to not bother paying attention to the all the great things that is going on in a good PvP.
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1402 Posts
October 08 2017 11:13 GMT
#104
On October 08 2017 20:08 tanngard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 19:57 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:57 thezanursic wrote:
On October 08 2017 19:43 Heartland wrote:
Please lord, protect us from the horror that is PvP


What do you mean Bisu PvP is amazing!

He has a 22-3 record in PvP currently, It is by far his best match up.


no you don't understand

PvP is garbage

I think every matuchup is fun when you are paying attention to the nuances and generally investing some passion into it. If you decide its "garbage" i think you have already made up your mind to not bother paying attention to the all the great things that is going on in a good PvP.


no you don't understand

PvP is garbage
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
October 08 2017 11:15 GMT
#105
LETS GOOOOO
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
October 08 2017 11:15 GMT
#106
Hahaha that flank failed so miserably with just one huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge reaver shot.
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sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
October 08 2017 11:16 GMT
#107
huge flank but lose everything anyway lol
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
October 08 2017 11:16 GMT
#108
Poll: Recommend Winner's Game?

Yes (19)
 
63%

If you have time (6)
 
20%

No (5)
 
17%

30 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Winner's Game?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
October 08 2017 11:16 GMT
#109
Damn, it's good to see that Bisu is back. <3
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Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2747 Posts
October 08 2017 11:16 GMT
#110
HOW THE FUCK did that flank just whither
aya888888
Profile Joined September 2017
29 Posts
October 08 2017 11:16 GMT
#111
Bisu rock as always ^_^
Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24580 Posts
October 08 2017 11:16 GMT
#112
All in a days work
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
October 08 2017 11:16 GMT
#113
lol at building a nexus in pvp
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
October 08 2017 11:16 GMT
#114
Yeahhhhh!!!!!
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juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
October 08 2017 11:17 GMT
#115
What's with the ceremony? Bisu finally joining the army?
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jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
October 08 2017 11:17 GMT
#116
Bisu making it look easy somehow
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bigmetazltank
Profile Joined September 2017
34 Posts
October 08 2017 11:17 GMT
#117
On October 08 2017 20:16 Navane wrote:
HOW THE FUCK did that flank just whither


Bisu dropped his dual reavers just when the flank started meaning they had time to fire and melt Shuttle's flanks. Bisu's got good control so you do the math lol.
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3809 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-08 11:20:50
October 08 2017 11:19 GMT
#118
On October 08 2017 20:06 Greg_J wrote:
I don't understand the word structure of tesagi. Is it T for terran then 사기. In which case we can just change it to Flash사기. Anyway the point is Flash is overpowered not Terran.


Yes 테 or 'Te' for Terran.
then 사기 or 'Sagi' for Cheat / Con

In Korean a lot of slang takes the first symbol of the words, which is why you get Tesagi instead of Terransagi

I guess for flash you could use like like Leesagi or Youngsagi? Peusagi?
: o )
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10126 Posts
October 08 2017 11:20 GMT
#119
nono tesagi is just terran terran dont you guys know
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aya888888
Profile Joined September 2017
29 Posts
October 08 2017 11:20 GMT
#120
Shuttle will take the second ticket.
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
October 08 2017 11:20 GMT
#121
why can't I choose quality of stream on this afreeca?!
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
epi
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada115 Posts
October 08 2017 11:21 GMT
#122
I was hoping they'd ask about the salute ceremony in the interview. Has to be a reference to Airforce ACE and the likelihood that he's going to the military soon, right?
truth_seeker
Profile Joined October 2017
13 Posts
October 08 2017 11:22 GMT
#123
Really glad to see Bisu in such a good form. I would love to see Jaedong and Strok doing as well too, it would feel like the late 00's all over again.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
October 08 2017 11:24 GMT
#124
On October 08 2017 20:21 epi wrote:
I was hoping they'd ask about the salute ceremony in the interview. Has to be a reference to Airforce ACE and the likelihood that he's going to the military soon, right?


doubt ACE will be back, it would easily the most shocking thing to happen
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yenta
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Poland1142 Posts
October 08 2017 11:28 GMT
#125
On October 08 2017 20:20 ne4aJIb wrote:
why can't I choose quality of stream on this afreeca?!

if you open the stream on their site and switch to html5 mode, you can
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jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
October 08 2017 11:28 GMT
#126
First three games felt kind of standard, hoping for something interesting to happen here. Go mind!
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51425 Posts
October 08 2017 11:35 GMT
#127
On October 08 2017 20:19 ShloobeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 20:06 Greg_J wrote:
I don't understand the word structure of tesagi. Is it T for terran then 사기. In which case we can just change it to Flash사기. Anyway the point is Flash is overpowered not Terran.


Yes 테 or 'Te' for Terran.
then 사기 or 'Sagi' for Cheat / Con

In Korean a lot of slang takes the first symbol of the words, which is why you get Tesagi instead of Terransagi

I guess for flash you could use like like Leesagi or Youngsagi? Peusagi?


갓사기, god-sagi.
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jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
October 08 2017 11:37 GMT
#128
Mind tvt looking really solid
Enter a Uh
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
October 08 2017 11:39 GMT
#129
Surprisingly one-sided.
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10126 Posts
October 08 2017 11:39 GMT
#130
beautiful stuff from mind sick drops man.
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sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
October 08 2017 11:39 GMT
#131
clinic from mind
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3809 Posts
October 08 2017 11:40 GMT
#132
On October 08 2017 20:35 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 20:19 ShloobeR wrote:
On October 08 2017 20:06 Greg_J wrote:
I don't understand the word structure of tesagi. Is it T for terran then 사기. In which case we can just change it to Flash사기. Anyway the point is Flash is overpowered not Terran.


Yes 테 or 'Te' for Terran.
then 사기 or 'Sagi' for Cheat / Con

In Korean a lot of slang takes the first symbol of the words, which is why you get Tesagi instead of Terransagi

I guess for flash you could use like like Leesagi or Youngsagi? Peusagi?


갓사기, god-sagi.


oh yeah, for sure
: o )
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
October 08 2017 11:40 GMT
#133
Poll: Recommend Loser's Game?

If you have time (12)
 
60%

Yes (4)
 
20%

No (4)
 
20%

20 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Loser's Game?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time

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ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
October 08 2017 11:40 GMT
#134
Wtf now Mind can TvT?
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
October 08 2017 11:43 GMT
#135
Let's see if Mind can beat the player that he himself has chosen for this group - Shuttle.
Who do you think Flash would prefer to face in Ro8?
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-08 11:44:16
October 08 2017 11:44 GMT
#136
On October 08 2017 20:40 ortseam wrote:
Wtf now Mind can TvT?

he seems to have learned how to TvT since his exile last season
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10126 Posts
October 08 2017 11:44 GMT
#137
On October 08 2017 20:43 VioleTAK wrote:
Let's see if Mind can beat the player that he himself has chosen for this group - Shuttle.
Who do you think Flash would prefer to face in Ro8?

probably mind. flash's tvt is incredible right now and crossing field TvP is actually giving him some fits with the carrier builds on stream.
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Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-08 11:47:23
October 08 2017 11:45 GMT
#138
On October 08 2017 20:35 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 20:19 ShloobeR wrote:
On October 08 2017 20:06 Greg_J wrote:
I don't understand the word structure of tesagi. Is it T for terran then 사기. In which case we can just change it to Flash사기. Anyway the point is Flash is overpowered not Terran.


Yes 테 or 'Te' for Terran.
then 사기 or 'Sagi' for Cheat / Con

In Korean a lot of slang takes the first symbol of the words, which is why you get Tesagi instead of Terransagi

I guess for flash you could use like like Leesagi or Youngsagi? Peusagi?


갓사기, god-sagi.

Well I've learned a word. I knew the verb 속이다 - 속여요 to cheat but I didn't know cheat as a noun 사기. I wish Chinese was this easy.

There was talk of the loser of this group having to play Flash. So if that is true I think Mind would put up more of a fight than Shuttle. So I'm going to root for Mind. People who don't like Tvt and would rather see Flash smash Shuttle 3:0 are free to root for Shuttle.
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
October 08 2017 11:47 GMT
#139
If Shuttle wins... Flash is the only Terran in Ro8... -_-
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
October 08 2017 11:48 GMT
#140
On October 08 2017 20:45 Greg_J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 20:35 GTR wrote:
On October 08 2017 20:19 ShloobeR wrote:
On October 08 2017 20:06 Greg_J wrote:
I don't understand the word structure of tesagi. Is it T for terran then 사기. In which case we can just change it to Flash사기. Anyway the point is Flash is overpowered not Terran.


Yes 테 or 'Te' for Terran.
then 사기 or 'Sagi' for Cheat / Con

In Korean a lot of slang takes the first symbol of the words, which is why you get Tesagi instead of Terransagi

I guess for flash you could use like like Leesagi or Youngsagi? Peusagi?


갓사기, god-sagi.

Well I've learned a word. I knew the verb 속이다 - 속여요 to cheat but I didn't know cheat as a noun 사기. I wish Chinese was this easy.

There was talk of the loser of this group having to play Flash. I think Mind would put up more of a fight than Shuttle. So I'm going to root for Mind. People who don't like Tvt and would rather see Flash smash Shuttle 3:0 are free to root for Shuttle.


Flash has been unstoppable in TvT however TvP has been pretty interesting, hes been having trouble like the other terrans on crossing field at least.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
October 08 2017 11:48 GMT
#141
On October 08 2017 20:47 VioleTAK wrote:
If Shuttle wins... Flash is the only Terran in Ro8... -_-


thus denying tesagi
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ortseam
Profile Joined April 2015
996 Posts
October 08 2017 11:53 GMT
#142
No. Tesagi is all about Flash
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
October 08 2017 11:58 GMT
#143
that was really smart by mind
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Terrorbladder
Profile Joined May 2014
2717 Posts
October 08 2017 12:02 GMT
#144
Watching Shuttle throwing the match with his decision making is painful
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Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
October 08 2017 12:03 GMT
#145
Mind has this
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
October 08 2017 12:03 GMT
#146
Bisu, now do you understand why Mind chose Shuttle? he knew what he was doing.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50107 Posts
October 08 2017 12:03 GMT
#147
Poll: Recommend Final Game?

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jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
October 08 2017 12:03 GMT
#148
Cool to see a terran doing while playing aggressively!
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ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3809 Posts
October 08 2017 12:03 GMT
#149
Good Mindfields there
: o )
Sajiki
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany522 Posts
October 08 2017 12:05 GMT
#150
bromance
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jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
October 08 2017 12:05 GMT
#151
So this means 50% chance of having mind vs flash next round, could be cool actually!
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Essbee
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada2371 Posts
October 08 2017 12:07 GMT
#152
Absolutely fantastic games from mind, saving terran's face lol

Strange decision to go carriers on fs imo, meh
Race Bannon
Profile Blog Joined February 2016
689 Posts
October 08 2017 12:07 GMT
#153
On October 08 2017 21:03 ShloobeR wrote:
Good Mindfields there

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SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1707 Posts
October 08 2017 12:09 GMT
#154
bisu!!! love the games!!!
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jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-08 12:14:53
October 08 2017 12:13 GMT
#155
Shuttle looked good too so it's sad to see him go. It will be even worse tomorrow though
edit:tuesday
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chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2606 Posts
October 08 2017 12:23 GMT
#156
On October 08 2017 21:05 jtan wrote:
So this means 50% chance of having mind vs flash next round, could be cool actually!


Umm isn't it 33% actually? Or can A only play second place of C or D?
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jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
October 08 2017 12:32 GMT
#157
Not sure, I'm just reading from Liquipedia
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
October 08 2017 12:43 GMT
#158
sSak
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reminisce12
Profile Joined March 2012
Australia318 Posts
October 08 2017 12:54 GMT
#159
did shuttle only practice carrier builds vs terran?
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1707 Posts
October 08 2017 13:07 GMT
#160
Very impressive by both bisu and mind. Great games this group
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KAGA100MAN
Profile Joined October 2017
12 Posts
October 08 2017 17:44 GMT
#161
On October 08 2017 21:07 Essbee wrote:
Absolutely fantastic games from mind, saving terran's face lol

Strange decision to go carriers on fs imo, meh


It's a cross position carrier.
www.teamliquid.net
People should know by now that cross position Carrier Build is popular. Shuttle does this every time, and he optimized this build into one of his style. Even Bisu admitted this strong build and used in his PvT matches.

CognacLover
Profile Joined January 2016
Poland66 Posts
October 08 2017 18:11 GMT
#162
Poor Shuttle, no Legend of the Fall for this time...
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NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3093 Posts
October 08 2017 19:01 GMT
#163
Just watched the games on youtube. 1-1 for my picks once again.

Mind played brilliantly in that last game. Playing a great game against Shuttle, great play. Bisu of course a beast as always. Sad to see Shuttle not make it through though.
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1707 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-08 19:28:54
October 08 2017 19:26 GMT
#164
On October 08 2017 20:48 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2017 20:47 VioleTAK wrote:
If Shuttle wins... Flash is the only Terran in Ro8... -_-


thus denying tesagi

Just realized Bisu might be the only P if neither Rain/Stork dont make it on Tue. Highly unlikely they both advance. Rain has a better chance imo and I do think he ends up advancing, which leaves 2T 2P 4Z in ro8

On tesagi, it really shouldnt be a surprise that if you make maps to nerf flash, you end up with most Ts having a really hard time getting deep in a tourney.
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YASHSHAKAR
Profile Joined April 2017
United States75 Posts
October 08 2017 19:38 GMT
#165
Well Iearned today that the singer of the theme song for this asl season is a satanic homosexual.

But hey he's an edomite. Im not surprised.
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YASHSHAKAR
Profile Joined April 2017
United States75 Posts
October 08 2017 19:38 GMT
#166
But yea BISU delivered tho!! Great wins and he won with carriers like i predicted.
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EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
October 08 2017 19:53 GMT
#167
Man I wish every game was a best of 3, I need more ASL in my life!
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mcmascote
Profile Joined September 2004
Brazil1575 Posts
October 08 2017 21:15 GMT
#168
I was wondering what Bisu planned by hiding his robo bay but leaving his shuttle hanging near the robo facility .I doubt that was a mistake, btw.

On that map you can harass with 2zeas+1goon on the back base while poking the T at the ramp with goons, so I thought he wanted to suggest that, but then, there was no point of keeping it near the robo...

Did he hide the reaver tech and then realize he wanted Mind to make a lot of turrets to delay a possible push since he was going carriers and the reaver was for defensive purposes (and later to use it in conjunction with the carriers)?

Just curious what was the metagame there. If any.

Also, Bisu's plan was to catch the T on the high ground but Mind dribbled the reaver and went another path, that could've costed bisu the game. Amazing micro.

On Jangbi's 'leaving the army' thread here people were discussing if he was the best PvTer ever or not I mentioned how Jangbi was much better than any toss at using the reaver to defensive purposes, he'd double expo and go reaver tech and still defend such pushes, Bisu pulled a Jangbi here.

[image loading]

2 tanks were joining the party and Bisu couldn't macro during that battle since the micro was way more intensive for the toss there. Amazing stuff.
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THE Sliggy
Profile Blog Joined September 2017
Australia65 Posts
October 08 2017 22:20 GMT
#169
So good to see that Bisu's here to win! Seeing Mind absolutely wreck the other opposition just makes Bisu's win all the more impressive.
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
October 09 2017 02:50 GMT
#170
Anyone sick of crossing ground?? who was the genius that looked at hbr and said, hey, adding a free base at the back will make for more interesting games
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TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
October 09 2017 07:09 GMT
#171
On October 09 2017 06:15 mcmascote wrote:
I was wondering what Bisu planned by hiding his robo bay but leaving his shuttle hanging near the robo facility .I doubt that was a mistake, btw.

On that map you can harass with 2zeas+1goon on the back base while poking the T at the ramp with goons, so I thought he wanted to suggest that, but then, there was no point of keeping it near the robo...

Did he hide the reaver tech and then realize he wanted Mind to make a lot of turrets to delay a possible push since he was going carriers and the reaver was for defensive purposes (and later to use it in conjunction with the carriers)?

Just curious what was the metagame there. If any.

Also, Bisu's plan was to catch the T on the high ground but Mind dribbled the reaver and went another path, that could've costed bisu the game. Amazing micro.

On Jangbi's 'leaving the army' thread here people were discussing if he was the best PvTer ever or not I mentioned how Jangbi was much better than any toss at using the reaver to defensive purposes, he'd double expo and go reaver tech and still defend such pushes, Bisu pulled a Jangbi here.

[image loading]

2 tanks were joining the party and Bisu couldn't macro during that battle since the micro was way more intensive for the toss there. Amazing stuff.


That fight was a pimpest play right there. I was watching the game with my buddies on a huge 107 inch screen and we were all screaming in disbelief. Enormous reaver micro.

And I thought pulling a JangBi was pushing with goons and carriers at separate expos and killing both bases or something like that? Or it's just any amazing PvT play?
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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-09 07:16:01
October 09 2017 07:15 GMT
#172
For some weird reason after watching so many remastered games... I just noticed the mini-map in observer mode also tracks the movement of players screens, mind-blown.
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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-09 10:01:54
October 09 2017 10:00 GMT
#173
On October 09 2017 16:09 TaardadAiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2017 06:15 mcmascote wrote:
I was wondering what Bisu planned by hiding his robo bay but leaving his shuttle hanging near the robo facility .I doubt that was a mistake, btw.

On that map you can harass with 2zeas+1goon on the back base while poking the T at the ramp with goons, so I thought he wanted to suggest that, but then, there was no point of keeping it near the robo...

Did he hide the reaver tech and then realize he wanted Mind to make a lot of turrets to delay a possible push since he was going carriers and the reaver was for defensive purposes (and later to use it in conjunction with the carriers)?

Just curious what was the metagame there. If any.

Also, Bisu's plan was to catch the T on the high ground but Mind dribbled the reaver and went another path, that could've costed bisu the game. Amazing micro.

On Jangbi's 'leaving the army' thread here people were discussing if he was the best PvTer ever or not I mentioned how Jangbi was much better than any toss at using the reaver to defensive purposes, he'd double expo and go reaver tech and still defend such pushes, Bisu pulled a Jangbi here.

[image loading]

2 tanks were joining the party and Bisu couldn't macro during that battle since the micro was way more intensive for the toss there. Amazing stuff.


That fight was a pimpest play right there. I was watching the game with my buddies on a huge 107 inch screen and we were all screaming in disbelief. Enormous reaver micro.

And I thought pulling a JangBi was pushing with goons and carriers at separate expos and killing both bases or something like that? Or it's just any amazing PvT play?


I don't think it was anything special, reavers do pretty well vs unsieged tanks. I'm not sure why Mind didn't siege, he must have had it at that point. It's practically suicide when attacking into reavers.
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
October 09 2017 10:01 GMT
#174
BISU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was so scared. i thought that flank would surely kill him. but shuttle didnt split goons and so bisu got 2 and then 3 per volley. holy shit if we don't get flash and bisu for finals, I will be very upset (insert: fuck you shine, glad you got knocked out!)
fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium3999 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-09 11:23:57
October 09 2017 11:23 GMT
#175
On October 09 2017 16:09 TaardadAiel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2017 06:15 mcmascote wrote:
I was wondering what Bisu planned by hiding his robo bay but leaving his shuttle hanging near the robo facility .I doubt that was a mistake, btw.

On that map you can harass with 2zeas+1goon on the back base while poking the T at the ramp with goons, so I thought he wanted to suggest that, but then, there was no point of keeping it near the robo...

Did he hide the reaver tech and then realize he wanted Mind to make a lot of turrets to delay a possible push since he was going carriers and the reaver was for defensive purposes (and later to use it in conjunction with the carriers)?

Just curious what was the metagame there. If any.

Also, Bisu's plan was to catch the T on the high ground but Mind dribbled the reaver and went another path, that could've costed bisu the game. Amazing micro.

On Jangbi's 'leaving the army' thread here people were discussing if he was the best PvTer ever or not I mentioned how Jangbi was much better than any toss at using the reaver to defensive purposes, he'd double expo and go reaver tech and still defend such pushes, Bisu pulled a Jangbi here.

[image loading]

2 tanks were joining the party and Bisu couldn't macro during that battle since the micro was way more intensive for the toss there. Amazing stuff.


That fight was a pimpest play right there. I was watching the game with my buddies on a huge 107 inch screen and we were all screaming in disbelief. Enormous reaver micro.

And I thought pulling a JangBi was pushing with goons and carriers at separate expos and killing both bases or something like that? Or it's just any amazing PvT play?


Dude that engagement from Bisu was Mind blowing!
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VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-09 16:23:05
October 09 2017 12:44 GMT
#176
I'm very happy Bisu made it, you could tell he was super nervous. He has every reason to believe in himself more than it seems he does at this moment of his career. His game is incredible. Go all the way Bisu!

Is it already set that Flash vs Mind will happen, or some kind of draw still needs to take place?
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Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
October 09 2017 17:02 GMT
#177
Hey someone please update liquipedia to put Bisu in the ro8.
jakarti
Profile Joined August 2017
13 Posts
October 09 2017 17:28 GMT
#178
There is still a draw to take place after tomorrow's games. Don't know why people are randomly filling out the Ro8 on liquipedia.
Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-09 23:36:17
October 09 2017 23:35 GMT
#179
nice games
Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8493 Posts
October 10 2017 04:41 GMT
#180
Holy fuck the Reavers in Game 3.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-10 17:16:20
October 10 2017 06:38 GMT
#181
Bisu vs Mind first game on Crossing Field was fantastic. Bisu defended that attack so well. His carrier micro wasn't too shabby either. Those double reaver in the winners' match against Shuttle were also sick. I thought that Shuttle for sure had it but had to rewind once his army melted and Bisu came out with such a large army T.T

Really glad that Mind made it! A while back, one of his only donors told him that he'll stop donating so losing in the Ro16 then must've been devastating. Also, he beat sSak and Shuttle really hard. Shuttle looked like he had no chance despite some stellar micro early on. Congrats to Bisu and Mind!
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mcmascote
Profile Joined September 2004
Brazil1575 Posts
October 10 2017 17:05 GMT
#182
On October 09 2017 19:00 Dante08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2017 16:09 TaardadAiel wrote:
On October 09 2017 06:15 mcmascote wrote:
I was wondering what Bisu planned by hiding his robo bay but leaving his shuttle hanging near the robo facility .I doubt that was a mistake, btw.

On that map you can harass with 2zeas+1goon on the back base while poking the T at the ramp with goons, so I thought he wanted to suggest that, but then, there was no point of keeping it near the robo...

Did he hide the reaver tech and then realize he wanted Mind to make a lot of turrets to delay a possible push since he was going carriers and the reaver was for defensive purposes (and later to use it in conjunction with the carriers)?

Just curious what was the metagame there. If any.

Also, Bisu's plan was to catch the T on the high ground but Mind dribbled the reaver and went another path, that could've costed bisu the game. Amazing micro.

On Jangbi's 'leaving the army' thread here people were discussing if he was the best PvTer ever or not I mentioned how Jangbi was much better than any toss at using the reaver to defensive purposes, he'd double expo and go reaver tech and still defend such pushes, Bisu pulled a Jangbi here.

[image loading]

2 tanks were joining the party and Bisu couldn't macro during that battle since the micro was way more intensive for the toss there. Amazing stuff.


That fight was a pimpest play right there. I was watching the game with my buddies on a huge 107 inch screen and we were all screaming in disbelief. Enormous reaver micro.

And I thought pulling a JangBi was pushing with goons and carriers at separate expos and killing both bases or something like that? Or it's just any amazing PvT play?


I don't think it was anything special, reavers do pretty well vs unsieged tanks. I'm not sure why Mind didn't siege, he must have had it at that point. It's practically suicide when attacking into reavers.



What? He had 6 marines, 2 vults, 5 tanks and two more were close to join the fight and he caught bisu with 4 goons, 2 zeas and a reaver on a shuttle on a favorable position of the map. If that was nothing special then... Not sure what to say. And it was not 'reavers'. It was one reaver. Two reavers are much better and much easier to micro there because they instantly kill a tank and you can just keep switching the reavers. taking one, dropping another and so on and so fort.

Also, on why he didn't siege... That was a timing push. He wanted to get at the choke point to siege up. If he kept sieging Bisu would pick the furthest siege one by one. That'd be much easier. Also,Bisu would've time to macro. As you can see on my screen shot he had accumulated 1100+ minerals very early on the game, his newest gates weren't producing units.

If mind delayed that Push he'd be ran over by Bisu's production, lose every tank and then be stuck with 3 bases trying to make tanks while also being forced to make liaths to deal with carriers.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
October 10 2017 17:13 GMT
#183
On October 11 2017 02:05 mcmascote wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2017 19:00 Dante08 wrote:
On October 09 2017 16:09 TaardadAiel wrote:
On October 09 2017 06:15 mcmascote wrote:
I was wondering what Bisu planned by hiding his robo bay but leaving his shuttle hanging near the robo facility .I doubt that was a mistake, btw.

On that map you can harass with 2zeas+1goon on the back base while poking the T at the ramp with goons, so I thought he wanted to suggest that, but then, there was no point of keeping it near the robo...

Did he hide the reaver tech and then realize he wanted Mind to make a lot of turrets to delay a possible push since he was going carriers and the reaver was for defensive purposes (and later to use it in conjunction with the carriers)?

Just curious what was the metagame there. If any.

Also, Bisu's plan was to catch the T on the high ground but Mind dribbled the reaver and went another path, that could've costed bisu the game. Amazing micro.

On Jangbi's 'leaving the army' thread here people were discussing if he was the best PvTer ever or not I mentioned how Jangbi was much better than any toss at using the reaver to defensive purposes, he'd double expo and go reaver tech and still defend such pushes, Bisu pulled a Jangbi here.

[image loading]

2 tanks were joining the party and Bisu couldn't macro during that battle since the micro was way more intensive for the toss there. Amazing stuff.


That fight was a pimpest play right there. I was watching the game with my buddies on a huge 107 inch screen and we were all screaming in disbelief. Enormous reaver micro.

And I thought pulling a JangBi was pushing with goons and carriers at separate expos and killing both bases or something like that? Or it's just any amazing PvT play?


I don't think it was anything special, reavers do pretty well vs unsieged tanks. I'm not sure why Mind didn't siege, he must have had it at that point. It's practically suicide when attacking into reavers.



What? He had 6 marines, 2 vults, 5 tanks and two more were close to join the fight and he caught bisu with 4 goons, 2 zeas and a reaver on a shuttle on a favorable position of the map. If that was nothing special then... Not sure what to say. And it was not 'reavers'. It was one reaver. Two reavers are much better and much easier to micro there because they instantly kill a tank and you can just keep switching the reavers. taking one, dropping another and so on and so fort.

Also, on why he didn't siege... That was a timing push. He wanted to get at the choke point to siege up. If he kept sieging Bisu would pick the furthest siege one by one. That'd be much easier. Also,Bisu would've time to macro. As you can see on my screen shot he had accumulated 1100+ minerals very early on the game, his newest gates weren't producing units.

If mind delayed that Push he'd be ran over by Bisu's production, lose every tank and then be stuck with 3 bases trying to make tanks while also being forced to make liaths to deal with carriers.

That was some amazing micro by Bisu, truly top notch. He managed to survive a situation that a lot of protoss players would lose imo.
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