EPT[ASL3] Ro4 Soulkey vs Flash - Page 24
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ortseam
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WhiteKnight.US
Great Britain102 Posts
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Zariel
Australia1285 Posts
Love how a obligatory starsense scan was demonstrated by Flash | ||
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Headshot
United States1656 Posts
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
 I guess we'll never know why SoulKey didn't morph the guardians in a safer place. It could've been a gamble to create chaos by inviting Flash to fight a close fight. But if that's not the reason then I'm convinced it was a mistake either due to neglect or pressure. But I hope Flash can step up his game, like most of the old guard he has some atypically weak moments. That's to be expected of course, the pros can't prepare as meticulously for their matches as they used to. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
4-10 sunkens to delay mm army only to get the defilers and get irradiated to death. That's a strategy? We've already been through this when JD attempted something similar only he had a pretty nice plan and it almost worked while here it was more like a weaker player trying his best to stay alive. Even the only game Soulkey won was a pain to watch with that science vessels control group floating around until the very end. Uninspiring micro and poor strategies, I will not recommend the games. This match was a walk in the park for Flash. Funny to acknowledge that the only zerg who actually uses his brains is Shine these days. At least I hope he makes Flash sweat his pants a little. | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On May 28 2017 23:03 lolfail9001 wrote: Observing promatches for his daytime job is the simple statement of fact: present BW top tier does not even practice that much. They are sure as hell better strategists now (i mean come on, you did not see defensive matrix on shuttles that often in Kespa days), but mechanics wise it is a different story. His daytime job? You do realize how few matches he observes in a week right? | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On May 28 2017 22:58 goody153 wrote: recommended games guys ? Honestly, the series was a roflstomp. Watch if you have time only. UPDATE: lol, I missed game 2. So, it wasn't a roflstomp but tbo the games score lies. Soulkey only scratched the surface of the ultimate weapon. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On May 29 2017 02:10 letian wrote: I barely managed to make myself watch the series to the end. Soulkey was utterly helpless and clueless, so much for preparation talks. On the other hand, when you play against Flash anyone can break. Still, I was expecting much better performance from Soulkey. Gosh, why do you even consider going mutas when you can't do anything with them and your micro is not that great either. Muta must do damage or you're fucked especially when you play against someone like Flash. This is just relying on luck and chance not strategy or inventive thinking. 4-10 sunkens to delay mm army only to get the defilers and get irradiated to death. That's a strategy? We've already been through this when JD attempted something similar only he had a pretty nice plan and it almost worked while here it was more like a weaker player trying his best to stay alive. Even the only game Soulkey won was a pain to watch with that science vessels control group floating around until the very end. Uninspiring micro and poor strategies, I will not recommend the games. This match was a walk in the park for Flash. Funny to acknowledge that the only zerg who actually uses his brains is Shine these days. At least I hope he makes Flash sweat his pants a little. At least his plan with mutas was clear. What the hell would he even do with lurker tech? Sit there and roll over? On May 29 2017 02:17 d(O.o)a wrote: His daytime job? You do realize how few matches he observes in a week right? I made my point, you missed it. We clear? | ||
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Barneyk
Sweden307 Posts
On May 28 2017 22:19 tanngard wrote: According to what Zero said, the players are less sharp because of less practice. On the other hand Hero has stated that he has gained a deeper and holistic understanding of the game. Yeah, that makes perfect sense to me and seem to confirm my view. On May 28 2017 22:20 Dante08 wrote: Strategically the players might be better now but mechanically they were way better during the Kespa era. Nowadays they practice according to their own free time compared to 8-10 hours a day when they were in pro-gaming houses. Even Flash said in an interview somewhere he is more developed strategically but mechanically he was no where near compared to his Kespa days. And even the practice you do during your own time isn't the same as practicing specific things intensely against teammates with the oversight of a coach. With different levels of mechanics it opens up completely different strategies. I can't wait for Shine vs. Flash, is it gonna be on the same maps as the semis? | ||
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Barneyk
Sweden307 Posts
On May 29 2017 02:10 letian wrote: This match was a walk in the park for Flash. uuuhhhh, it was a 3-2 victory with a couple of clutch moments where Flash could've lost. Flash did feel more dominant but calling it a walk in the park is just ridiculous. | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On May 29 2017 02:29 Barneyk wrote: uuuhhhh, it was a 3-2 victory with a couple of clutch moments where Flash could've lost. Flash did feel more dominant but calling it a walk in the park is just ridiculous. Lucky 4 pool and really weird game on Andromeda where Soulkey used islands to survive? If Flash went mech, it would be a completely different game. For some strange reason he was sitting on pure mm whole time. The map is huge and he simply could not do the same he did on Outsider without being continuously harassed given their initial positioning. And even in that game Soulkey did not micro scourge at all to keep science vessels count low. Go, rewatch Effort vs Flash, JD vs Flash games to understand how a zerg should play in order to win against him and make a ZvT series great not mediocre as it was today. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On May 28 2017 20:58 nojok wrote: BW is reviving but the current top level would not even qualify for the starleagues of the peak period. I used to think this, but I'm no longer so sure. Just having gone back and watched old leagues I can't say there is a huge difference in play quality. Equally important, amateur players still perform at the same level, as they didn't lose the advantage of being able to practice 14 hrs a day in dedicated team houses. Given that, if the level has regressed significantly we should see a slew of former "no names" mixing it up with the KeSPA guys. This hasn't happened though, and is a major indication that the skill level has been maintained. | ||
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Barneyk
Sweden307 Posts
On May 29 2017 02:40 letian wrote: Lucky 4 pool and really weird game on Andromeda where Soulkey used islands to survive? If Flash went mech, it would be a completely different game. For some strange reason he was sitting on pure mm whole time. The map is huge and he simply could not do the same he did on Outsider without being continuously harassed given their initial positioning. And even in that game Soulkey did not micro scourge at all to keep science vessels count low. Go, rewatch Effort vs Flash, JD vs Flash games to understand how a zerg should play in order to win against him and make a ZvT series great not mediocre as it was today. Call it what you want, but it wasn't a walk in the park. Soulkey was close to winning a few times. And yes, even though he made a lot of basic mistakes he still won the game. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4129 Posts
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Moopower
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On May 29 2017 02:22 letian wrote: Honestly, the series was a roflstomp. Watch if you have time only. Interesting. a 3-2 roflstomp where FlaSh was in series danger of losing the entire series in G5. The scan on the guardians was a BIG deal, especially since he was able to kill several of the morphing guardians (and probably a devourer), eliminate the muta, and get out to Soulkey's third. Without that scan Flash is in his nat dealing with a control group of muta, some scourge, 6 guardians, and lings...as opposed to 2 guardians, no scourge, and a couple lings. Even in the latter situation, there were some points where FlaSh had to be careful. I wouldn't go so far as to say SK would have won had FlaSh not scanned, but it would have required some excellent defending by Flash to hang on, and SK would have had three gas to work with. In that series Soulkey completely outplayed Flash in 2 games, Flash completely outplayed Soulkey in 2 games, and the last game SK made a good showing of himself, but the combination of the good scan by Flash and Soulkey's admittedly poor decision not to morph the guardians over the black space air region, resulted in a reasonably comfortable Flash victory in G5. | ||
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DracoMortuiVolantus
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On May 29 2017 02:45 Barneyk wrote: Call it what you want, but it wasn't a walk in the park. Soulkey was close to winning a few times. And yes, even though he made a lot of basic mistakes he still won the game. No, judging the games quality only by the score is obviously wrong and this is what you trying to imply. If you liked the games, I can only think that you either didn't watch enough truly good ZvT or new to BW in general. You need to watch better ZvT games which are plenty around. Soulkey can play much better against Flash himself and we've already seen it. Unfortunately, he could not pull anything interesting in terms or strategy and execution today. | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
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