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VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
May 28 2017 12:06 GMT
#421
On May 28 2017 20:58 nojok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2017 20:56 sAw wrote:
This is painful to watch

BW is reviving but the current top level would not even qualify for the starleagues of the peak period.

That's not true, today's level is definitely higher.
And actually I'm so impressed by Shine, that I feel we'll have a fantastic finals!
And also very nice 3rd place match.

On May 28 2017 21:02 d(O.o)a wrote:
I'm expecting to see some ensnare out of Shine

I'm expecting infested CC :-)
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4116 Posts
May 28 2017 12:06 GMT
#422
anyone has the video where flash randomly scanned burrowed lings? cannot find it
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
May 28 2017 12:07 GMT
#423
On May 28 2017 21:03 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2017 20:58 d(O.o)a wrote:
On May 28 2017 20:58 nojok wrote:
On May 28 2017 20:56 sAw wrote:
This is painful to watch

BW is reviving but the current top level would not even qualify for the starleagues of the peak period.


uwotm8 lmfao

This is almost as stupid as the people that say the 2009-2011 foreign pros couldn't compete nowadays.

He is not particularly wrong. Consider that observer of that series is the one who is going to play Flash next week.


How is that relevant in any way? Does observing promatches somehow make him less qualified to play in them? Shine was a pro in that era too btw and he plays FAR better than he did back then.

I'm sure Jaedong was observing that match from home, does that make him less of a competitor?
Hi.
YASHSHAKAR
Profile Joined April 2017
United States75 Posts
May 28 2017 12:07 GMT
#424
[image loading]


"Black Ops??! *shrugs

All we need here is Blood... Sweat.. And the firepower of my terran Marine Core!!!" - Literally Flash
My wallet for Aiur
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
May 28 2017 12:08 GMT
#425
On May 28 2017 21:04 gngfn wrote:
I think that the skill level is as high as ever, but there seems to be a lot of choking onstage, possibly because without Proleague and two individual leagues players just spend less time playing in front of live crowds and aren't as used to it.

I miss Proleague
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-28 12:09:01
May 28 2017 12:08 GMT
#426
On May 28 2017 21:06 VioleTAK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2017 20:58 nojok wrote:
On May 28 2017 20:56 sAw wrote:
This is painful to watch

BW is reviving but the current top level would not even qualify for the starleagues of the peak period.

That's not true, today's level is definitely higher.
And actually I'm so impressed by Shine, that I feel we'll have a fantastic finals!
And also very nice 3rd place match.


Sea and Mong have also improved tremendously. Sea from the past would never have been able to 3-0 Bisu.
Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1408 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-28 12:48:12
May 28 2017 12:09 GMT
#427
For every mistake you see you see them solve 10 situations marvelously, you just don't think of them then.
Spyfire242
Profile Joined March 2009
United States715 Posts
May 28 2017 12:10 GMT
#428
On May 28 2017 21:05 Esp1noza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2017 20:57 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On May 28 2017 20:56 d(O.o)a wrote:
That would've been so much scarier if soulkey had morphed them all on the space ground where rines couldn't hit them.

To be honest I still don't understand how pros make little mistakes like these that constantly cost them the game.

Same here.


Its cause Brood War is very very hard, even the pros are always making mistakes, I cant think of one game where they haven't made mistakes.
Entusman #55 Spyfire242!
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10168 Posts
May 28 2017 12:10 GMT
#429
On May 28 2017 21:06 M2 wrote:
anyone has the video where flash randomly scanned burrowed lings? cannot find it

Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
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usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
May 28 2017 12:11 GMT
#430
On May 28 2017 21:03 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2017 20:58 d(O.o)a wrote:
On May 28 2017 20:58 nojok wrote:
On May 28 2017 20:56 sAw wrote:
This is painful to watch

BW is reviving but the current top level would not even qualify for the starleagues of the peak period.


uwotm8 lmfao

This is almost as stupid as the people that say the 2009-2011 foreign pros couldn't compete nowadays.

He is not particularly wrong. Consider that observer of that series is the one who is going to play Flash next week.


Shine was only observing and still killed Bisu?
tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
May 28 2017 12:11 GMT
#431
On May 28 2017 21:03 Terrorbladder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2017 21:00 tanngard wrote:
On May 28 2017 20:57 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On May 28 2017 20:56 d(O.o)a wrote:
That would've been so much scarier if soulkey had morphed them all on the space ground where rines couldn't hit them.

To be honest I still don't understand how pros make little mistakes like these that constantly cost them the game.

I know! I dont understand why zergs does that. It happens often.
ever heard of pressure
humans aren't robots you know

But i dont understand why they morph them in shooting distance of marines. Do you? I have a lot of respect for pressure and the players, but this one seems so easy. You just move them a little to the left to safety. When this stuff keeps happening you would imagine these great players making mental notes to remember and not let pressure get to them. Its not like forgetting an upgrade or something, because that is a mistake you are not expecting to make. This one is.
c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
May 28 2017 12:13 GMT
#432
On May 28 2017 21:11 usopsama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2017 21:03 lolfail9001 wrote:
On May 28 2017 20:58 d(O.o)a wrote:
On May 28 2017 20:58 nojok wrote:
On May 28 2017 20:56 sAw wrote:
This is painful to watch

BW is reviving but the current top level would not even qualify for the starleagues of the peak period.


uwotm8 lmfao

This is almost as stupid as the people that say the 2009-2011 foreign pros couldn't compete nowadays.

He is not particularly wrong. Consider that observer of that series is the one who is going to play Flash next week.


Shine was only observing and still killed Bisu?

He's that good
WriterMovie, 진영화 : "StarCraft will never die".
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10168 Posts
May 28 2017 12:13 GMT
#433
On May 28 2017 21:11 tanngard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2017 21:03 Terrorbladder wrote:
On May 28 2017 21:00 tanngard wrote:
On May 28 2017 20:57 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On May 28 2017 20:56 d(O.o)a wrote:
That would've been so much scarier if soulkey had morphed them all on the space ground where rines couldn't hit them.

To be honest I still don't understand how pros make little mistakes like these that constantly cost them the game.

I know! I dont understand why zergs does that. It happens often.
ever heard of pressure
humans aren't robots you know

But i dont understand why they morph them in shooting distance of marines. Do you? I have a lot of respect for pressure and the players, but this one seems so easy. You just move them a little to the left to safety. When this stuff keeps happening you would imagine these great players making mental notes to remember and not let pressure get to them. Its not like forgetting an upgrade or something, because that is a mistake you are not expecting to make. This one is.

because under pressure, you forget things. have you ever forgotten things while trying to rush to work or going somewhere?

this game is so intense, you will make small mistakes. it cost him.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
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Highgamer
Profile Joined October 2015
1408 Posts
May 28 2017 12:13 GMT
#434
On May 28 2017 21:06 M2 wrote:
anyone has the video where flash randomly scanned burrowed lings? cannot find it


This was not random...

Same as the "maphack" scan on the guards. That's the position where they're most likely to morph...
BrosephBrostar
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States445 Posts
May 28 2017 12:14 GMT
#435
On May 28 2017 21:06 M2 wrote:
anyone has the video where flash randomly scanned burrowed lings? cannot find it

Was it from one of the 2v2s they played?
wabe.PrayHard
Profile Joined October 2011
Bolivia45 Posts
May 28 2017 12:14 GMT
#436
On May 28 2017 21:03 usopsama wrote:
[image loading]

Bag of Builds vs God.

This won't be close. God will slaughter Shine.

I will be satisfied as long as Soulkey milk me some Bisu tears.


I'm on Shine this time, go bag of builds!!!

Third place on Bisu, he has to win at least to leave third place before going to the army.

Any statistics, games from these two matches that anyone recommends?
the force is in prayer
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10168 Posts
May 28 2017 12:15 GMT
#437
On May 28 2017 21:14 wabe.PrayHard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2017 21:03 usopsama wrote:
[image loading]

Bag of Builds vs God.

This won't be close. God will slaughter Shine.

I will be satisfied as long as Soulkey milk me some Bisu tears.


I'm on Shine this time, go bag of builds!!!

Third place on Bisu, he has to win at least to leave third place before going to the army.

Any statistics, games from these two matches that anyone recommends?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdkE9rbGPsQ this game for sure :D
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
tanngard
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway1325 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-28 12:24:13
May 28 2017 12:22 GMT
#438
On May 28 2017 21:13 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2017 21:11 tanngard wrote:
On May 28 2017 21:03 Terrorbladder wrote:
On May 28 2017 21:00 tanngard wrote:
On May 28 2017 20:57 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On May 28 2017 20:56 d(O.o)a wrote:
That would've been so much scarier if soulkey had morphed them all on the space ground where rines couldn't hit them.

To be honest I still don't understand how pros make little mistakes like these that constantly cost them the game.

I know! I dont understand why zergs does that. It happens often.
ever heard of pressure
humans aren't robots you know

But i dont understand why they morph them in shooting distance of marines. Do you? I have a lot of respect for pressure and the players, but this one seems so easy. You just move them a little to the left to safety. When this stuff keeps happening you would imagine these great players making mental notes to remember and not let pressure get to them. Its not like forgetting an upgrade or something, because that is a mistake you are not expecting to make. This one is.

because under pressure, you forget things. have you ever forgotten things while trying to rush to work or going somewhere?

this game is so intense, you will make small mistakes. it cost him.

And that is why i say its ok to forget stuff like you upgrades and shit when under pressure. But this is so fucking obvious and integral to your entire gameplan. AND its a mistake they keep on repeating. If you kept on forgetting to plant your third base after sending a drone to the third base location. You would expect that thats a mistake you would not keep happening right? All you have to do is make a mental note that every time i'm going to morph guardians, i morph them in a spot were they are not going to be hit by marines, especially when that spot is easy to reach. You dont make mental notes about all the other thousands things that can go wrong, because you have to trust you brain to remeber that. But those guardians are the most important thing in his strategy.
sAw
Profile Joined November 2008
965 Posts
May 28 2017 12:23 GMT
#439
Shine has really been impressive and fun to watch lately, I really hope he can rise up to the challenge so we all can enjoy an epic finals. I know most people see Shine as a "meme" player, but he has proven us all wrong time and time again. One way or the other, I expect the finals won't last very long. Shine will probably tend to avoid late game, surely he will have some cute builds and tricks prepared (ensnare, infested cc, who knows?), but to hide something successfully from Flash is another problem altogether.

On topic, Soulkey put up a very good fight today, not many players can take Flash to game 5. I still feel we haven't seen the peak of SK's play, he has a lot of potential. One of my favourite Zergs, that's for sure. <3
flashimba
Profile Joined May 2011
225 Posts
May 28 2017 12:25 GMT
#440
On May 28 2017 21:03 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2017 20:58 nojok wrote:
On May 28 2017 20:56 sAw wrote:
This is painful to watch

BW is reviving but the current top level would not even qualify for the starleagues of the peak period.

lol what? FlaSh if anything has improved since then.


I'd imagine not having a team for dedicated practice and help with builds would affect Flash much less than other players.
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