EPT[ASL3] Ro4 Bisu vs Shine - Page 30
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XenoX101
Australia729 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4116 Posts
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
On May 28 2017 16:32 sc19980331 wrote: Yes, he said he went to outdoor for relax&fresh air at midnight, after long time pvz exercise. Unfortunately he caught a bit cold (roughly translated according to his interview before match). Damn that explains it. I wonder how the games would turn out if he was feeling well. | ||
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razorsuKe
Canada2000 Posts
On May 28 2017 17:58 M2 wrote: Kind off topic but did you guys hear one of the commentators talking about some stacked temples on Outsider that you can snipe faster with lurkers and get from the enemy's back or something. Like what the fuck was that bullshit xDD Everyone I was watching with caught that, we were all like "wtf is this kid talking about?" and "Is he high?" LOL "Why is Artosis letting him keep talking about it?" But he was cut off by Shine's lurks finishing and moving up for the bust and subsequent win so it's all good. | ||
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
On May 28 2017 18:33 razorsuKe wrote: Everyone I was watching with caught that, we were all like "wtf is this kid talking about?" and "Is he high?" LOL "Why is Artosis letting him keep talking about it?" But he was cut off by Shine's lurks finishing and moving up for the bust and subsequent win so it's all good. He should play 10 games a day on Icc for a few months. Like. How hard is it to micro a scouting probe vs one zergling? Rapid hyped that like Bisu did godly things when it's stuff I can do as a D/D+. They should have discussed what it meant that Shine let him scout to be able to drone up, what he could do with a strong economy. Instead we get 1 minute of bullshit hype. If he doesnt know then don't try too hard just say what's going on, let artosis do the expert role. | ||
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B-royal
Belgium1330 Posts
Keeping a probe alive at the top level IS very hard to do, as is trying to destroy it. Stop trying to equate your experiences with those at the top level! This happens way too much in these threads. Of course that does not mean I disagree with your point. I don't watch the English casts any more, and that would be one of the reasons. | ||
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ortseam
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DracoMortuiVolantus
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On May 28 2017 18:33 razorsuKe wrote: Everyone I was watching with caught that, we were all like "wtf is this kid talking about?" and "Is he high?" LOL "Why is Artosis letting him keep talking about it?" But he was cut off by Shine's lurks finishing and moving up for the bust and subsequent win so it's all good. He has also been casting SSL Classic with Neo Medusa. Pretty major misspeaking nonetheless, but it was only somewhat out of the blue, and not totally random. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On May 29 2017 00:57 B-royal wrote: You only manage to keep a probe alive at the D/D+ level. Any higher level player will destroy your probe in a matter of moments. Keeping a probe alive at the top level IS very hard to do, as is trying to destroy it. Stop trying to equate your experiences with those at the top level! This happens way too much in these threads. Of course that does not mean I disagree with your point. I don't watch the English casts any more, and that would be one of the reasons. Okay, I'm only playing at C level but I rarely lose the probe unless the zerg player brings back 4 to 6 lings. Dodging two is not that difficult unless the zerg is VERY good at controlling his lings. Or of course has speed. Even at pro level the truly good protosses, namely Bisu, are excellent at keeping the probe alive. There is no doubt that keeping a probe alive against more than a couple lings is very difficult, but it is something that can be achieved at any level of play. | ||
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infinity2k17
22 Posts
On May 27 2017 20:49 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote: Ok just gonna put it out there: Zergs whine when Flash or Last beat JD, or even any good Zerg. But what we saw here is the best Protoss, nay best PvZer ever (by a landslide, it's not even close), losing to a good but not really a top tier Zerg. This isn't a balance post, it's actually the opposite. This is the please stop whining post. It has to be said though, when was the last P who would comfortably win in PvZ BO5's? It's not so much one-off games. It's difficult to have a consistent style against Z, and its difficult to have a 'bag o builds' because Z has a variety of tricks especially in a BO5 - in my opinion that's a major difference in tournament play. Last notable BO5 I remember a P winning (excluding a few years post-kespa) was Jangbi vs great. Top tier Z don't lose against P in series play, it's been so long since that was the case. After Bisu you got Movie and Shuttle - that's the top vZ lineup. Now list Zerg's good against P... This isn't a balance whine however that's just the nature of the game although i do think it's unfortuate. | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
On May 29 2017 05:21 infinity2k17 wrote: It has to be said though, when was the last P who would comfortably win in PvZ BO5's? It was just last season. Best comfortably destroyed hero in a BO5. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On May 29 2017 03:25 L_Master wrote: Okay, I'm only playing at C level but I rarely lose the probe unless the zerg player brings back 4 to 6 lings. Dodging two is not that difficult unless the zerg is VERY good at controlling his lings. Or of course has speed. Even at pro level the truly good protosses, namely Bisu, are excellent at keeping the probe alive. There is no doubt that keeping a probe alive against more than a couple lings is very difficult, but it is something that can be achieved at any level of play. I think if you lose your scout to anything less than 3 lings without speed something is very wrong, its not that hard to do tbh | ||
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infinity2k17
22 Posts
On May 29 2017 05:42 usopsama wrote: It was just last season. Best comfortably destroyed hero in a BO5. Well that is fair enough, i'm afraid i've not followed BW as closely post-kespa. You have to admit though, mostly Z is favoured - imo there is just less threatening top zergs in the 'new BW'. Watching the games is frustrating even knowing that minor mistakes will cost the game for P, to me personally at least. Z throws in a hydra bust, a lurker drop, ling runby etc. and there is no equivalent (check out Movies terrible 1gateway proxy earlier this ASL). | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
On May 29 2017 06:26 infinity2k17 wrote: Well that is fair enough, i'm afraid i've not followed BW as closely post-kespa. You have to admit though, mostly Z is favoured - imo there is just less threatening top zergs in the 'new BW'. Watching the games is frustrating even knowing that minor mistakes will cost the game for P, to me personally at least. Z throws in a hydra bust, a lurker drop, ling runby etc. and there is no equivalent (check out Movies terrible 1gateway proxy earlier this ASL). Here is the VOD of Best vs hero. After you see it, you might begin to think that protoss is incredibly favored in pvz. Best's storms completely destroyed the zerg army. The zerg had no answer against Best's attacks. Minor mistakes cost the game for Z because each of Best's storm easily took out 5-6 hydras. Hydra bust and overlord drops only seem broken because Shine is doing them. Shine's builds are optimized to kill an opponent in the early to mid game. If his timing attack had failed, his economy would collapse (ie: Game 1). If Hydra bust and overlord drops are really so broken, you would see it in every single zvp. | ||
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The Intrepid
Canada205 Posts
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Ty2
United States1434 Posts
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Moopower
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
On May 29 2017 00:57 B-royal wrote: You only manage to keep a probe alive at the D/D+ level. Any higher level player will destroy your probe in a matter of moments. Keeping a probe alive at the top level IS very hard to do, as is trying to destroy it. Stop trying to equate your experiences with those at the top level! This happens way too much in these threads. Of course that does not mean I disagree with your point. I don't watch the English casts any more, and that would be one of the reasons. In a matter of moments one ling without speed will kill my probe? | ||
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