On May 28 2017 17:58 M2 wrote: Kind off topic but did you guys hear one of the commentators talking about some stacked temples on Outsider that you can snipe faster with lurkers and get from the enemy's back or something. Like what the fuck was that bullshit xDD
Sounds like the guys was talking about Medusa map, maybe? Can't think of other map with such features.
Anyway, after Flash vs Last I switched to Korean stream as I felt the English commentators have no idea about what they are talking about half the time. Especially when it comes to meta/strategies, both current and from before the proleague died... I don't understand Korean but from the intensity of commentating I can infer if something is unusual. And the rest of it is just observing and trying to understand what is happening. With enough experience (both playing and watching) it is quite easy to tell who is ahead, and I don't need a commentators to tell me that.
The only issue is understanding the small nuances in builds, but English stream is not good for that anyway.
Anyway, after Flash vs Last I switched to Korean stream as I felt the English commentators have no idea about what they are talking about half the time. Especially when it comes to meta/strategies, both current and from before the proleague died...
During Flash vs Soulkey they wondered whether Soulkey's build could be a 3 hatch hydra break. In a ZvT.
Anyway, after Flash vs Last I switched to Korean stream as I felt the English commentators have no idea about what they are talking about half the time. Especially when it comes to meta/strategies, both current and from before the proleague died...
During Flash vs Soulkey they wondered whether Soulkey's build could be a 3 hatch hydra break. In a ZvT.
Anyway, after Flash vs Last I switched to Korean stream as I felt the English commentators have no idea about what they are talking about half the time. Especially when it comes to meta/strategies, both current and from before the proleague died...
During Flash vs Soulkey they wondered whether Soulkey's build could be a 3 hatch hydra break. In a ZvT.
Anyway, after Flash vs Last I switched to Korean stream as I felt the English commentators have no idea about what they are talking about half the time. Especially when it comes to meta/strategies, both current and from before the proleague died...
During Flash vs Soulkey they wondered whether Soulkey's build could be a 3 hatch hydra break. In a ZvT.
Jaedong vs flash game 3? Or was it game 4 in asl2... i think it was 2 hatch hydra bust but the point is hydra busta do happen, just very rarely in tvz
Yeah that commentator has driven me to switch to the Korean too. Has no clue what he is talking about and tries to hype everything. The moment that did it for me was when Soulkey plagued 4 MM and 1 science vessel and he was all like, "OMFG sickest plague ever, all over everything." He can't even see what's going on in front of him, let alone know what units beat which.
Anyways. I'm also disappointed that Bisu won't be in the finals. But it's great for Shine's reputation as the Bisu slayer. I have to give him credit; other zerg players much watch how he beats Bisu but those zergs haven't successfully copied! I'll be looking forward to the rematch.
I really like seeing a zerg like Shine emerge because zerg always dictate the pace of the game.
Whether it's ZvP or ZvT, the other race (unless decides to cheese) will always have to watch what the zerg is doing before they can decide their own builds. It's always reactionary, so a really well-prepared zerg would be able to surprise its opponents the way other races could never do.
Honestly, I had to rewatch the final push 3 times to really believe what happened. If i knew my opponent had 5 zealots and 2 cannons on a ramp, I would not try to push with 3 lurkers and 10 zerglings, but Shine made it happen. Bisu's zealot first went to attack lurkers when it shouldn't have, and was a bit indecisive with zealots once he pulled back... did not expect him to actually push and was too slow to protect top and then bottom cannon.
Shine was so prepared for the matchup, probably even practiced that ramp push with lurkers and knew exactly how many units he could beat with his unit composition.
On May 31 2017 04:29 Muff2n wrote: Yeah that commentator has driven me to switch to the Korean too. Has no clue what he is talking about and tries to hype everything. The moment that did it for me was when Soulkey plagued 4 MM and 1 science vessel and he was all like, "OMFG sickest plague ever, all over everything." He can't even see what's going on in front of him, let alone know what units beat which.
Yeah, the commentators are getting really bad lately. I was watching SSL Classic Light vs Soulkey, and terran went bunker rush to vultures, and the commentators were like wow, that is really bad, vultures are good against zerglings but he has no units to push zerg now, and should go mass barracks immediately. I was like wtf are you talking about, going MM now would just give zerg free macro and the only choice he has is to go wraith to harass or even go for kill. When Light actually made starport, they had no idea what was going on and even said it was a terrible move, then the whole game they were saying Light was so far behind when in fact he wasn't until he messed up multitask much later in the game.
Seriously, these guys need to play and watch more games.
Anyway, after Flash vs Last I switched to Korean stream as I felt the English commentators have no idea about what they are talking about half the time. Especially when it comes to meta/strategies, both current and from before the proleague died...
During Flash vs Soulkey they wondered whether Soulkey's build could be a 3 hatch hydra break. In a ZvT.
Jaedong vs flash game 3? Or was it game 4 in asl2... i think it was 2 hatch hydra bust but the point is hydra busta do happen, just very rarely in tvz
They do happen in very specific situations. Based on what Soulkey had scouted it was making absolutely zero sense to go for hydras. And with all the recent talks about hydra breaks ZvP it was clear they were totally confused there.
On May 31 2017 04:29 Muff2n wrote: Yeah that commentator has driven me to switch to the Korean too. Has no clue what he is talking about and tries to hype everything. The moment that did it for me was when Soulkey plagued 4 MM and 1 science vessel and he was all like, "OMFG sickest plague ever, all over everything." He can't even see what's going on in front of him, let alone know what units beat which.
Yeah, the commentators are getting really bad lately. I was watching SSL Classic Light vs Soulkey, and terran went bunker rush to vultures, and the commentators were like wow, that is really bad, vultures are good against zerglings but he has no units to push zerg now, and should go mass barracks immediately. I was like wtf are you talking about, going MM now would just give zerg free macro and the only choice he has is to go wraith to harass or even go for kill. When Light actually made starport, they had no idea what was going on and even said it was a terrible move, then the whole game they were saying Light was so far behind when in fact he wasn't until he messed up multitask much later in the game.
Seriously, these guys need to play and watch more games.
That's SSL, where Wolf and Rapid cast, they're not close to qualified for this job. They don't know the game well enough. They should just stick to sc2 or go to a serious bootcamp for Broodwar.
Artosis and Tasteless are still good though, Tasteless will be back for the finals.
Their insights of the current meta isn't as it was in 2010 but their casting is now also for new viewers to learn. I just watch the ASL and some streamed games when they're recommended but I don't really notice if Tasteless and Artosis are missing out on the current meta. I like them a lot, to me them getting to cast the game that brought them to korea in the first place, that they still love. That's just a perfect little fairytale adding on to it. They bring a lot of genuine energy to the cast, not just big hype:ish words.
It's sad that that one of them being gone for a few days is enought to make the cast extremely annoying. I don''t know what I'd do in Artosis shoes. Maybe he as the expert casting role should correct Rapid everytime Rapid is overhyping the wrong thing or just plainly wrong. But he's doing it in a kind of smooth way now. Like the game where Rapid overhyped Bisus scouting probe and it's survival vs one zergling. He should probably have stopped that directly but how could he know that Rapid would go on for 45 seconds about it. Anyway he did correct him in the next game when the scouting probe entered the base, he then took over the initiative and described the value, role and difficulty of the scouting probe.
If I was Artosis I'd try talking to Rapid about how he should cast, how it's better that he just describes what's going in front of him and asks questions when he doesn't. That'd be more honest than just hyping things he clearly doesn't understand and it'd help new viewers to understand the game. It's just unprofessional to pretend to know a game, state false things as fact. He fools the new viewers and kills the experience for older viewers. I wonder how many games of BW he's played at all. I haven't listened to Esportsjohn, Flashftw casting but they're probably a much better solution. There has to be better options out there who'd be up for some casting work in korea. Maybe some of the old boys Moletrap/Diggity/Nukethestars/Cholera/Klazart/Conaanaa?
So yeah. When Tasteless and Artosis casts I'm all for it. Otherwise I go korean, but maybe I should give Esportsjohn, Flashftw a chance.
Artosis and tasteless are boring. They tell the same jokes constantly, over react to their imagined hilarity, and I dont understand the emphasis on trying to teach newbs. Maybe most of their audience were sc2 players, but they've been casting bw for ages, and, either way, it doesnt take much to understand these things. They still occasionally stop mid cast to discuss how dragoons are hard to micro. Err...thanks man. I cant imagine who this niche demographic is that apparently is totally uncomprehending, but they cast as if they exist.
On June 01 2017 09:38 Dazed_Spy wrote: Artosis and tasteless are boring. They tell the same jokes constantly, over react to their imagined hilarity, and I dont understand the emphasis on trying to teach newbs. Maybe most of their audience were sc2 players, but they've been casting bw for ages, and, either way, it doesnt take much to understand these things. They still occasionally stop mid cast to discuss how dragoons are hard to micro. Err...thanks man. I cant imagine who this niche demographic is that apparently is totally uncomprehending, but they cast as if they exist.
They still get 5k views and the cast that caters to veterans recieves barely any. So they have no reason to change a recipe that breeds success.
On June 01 2017 09:38 Dazed_Spy wrote: Artosis and tasteless are boring. They tell the same jokes constantly, over react to their imagined hilarity, and I dont understand the emphasis on trying to teach newbs. Maybe most of their audience were sc2 players, but they've been casting bw for ages, and, either way, it doesnt take much to understand these things. They still occasionally stop mid cast to discuss how dragoons are hard to micro. Err...thanks man. I cant imagine who this niche demographic is that apparently is totally uncomprehending, but they cast as if they exist.
Well agree to disagree. I'd call "imagined hilarity" just "hilarity". And this demographic do exist. To what extent, that I don't know though. But if they don't. Well then English casting in korea is probably dead. Sc2 had a much bigger audience outside korea than BW had, with SC:R coming up that's gonna be the main source of new players and viewers. Atm, it's the sc2 people coming from playing sc2 or watching GSL where Artosis and Tasteless probably talk about ASL as well.
On May 28 2017 17:58 M2 wrote: Kind off topic but did you guys hear one of the commentators talking about some stacked temples on Outsider that you can snipe faster with lurkers and get from the enemy's back or something. Like what the fuck was that bullshit xDD
Everyone I was watching with caught that, we were all like "wtf is this kid talking about?" and "Is he high?" LOL "Why is Artosis letting him keep talking about it?"
But he was cut off by Shine's lurks finishing and moving up for the bust and subsequent win so it's all good.
He should play 10 games a day on Icc for a few months. Like. How hard is it to micro a scouting probe vs one zergling? Rapid hyped that like Bisu did godly things when it's stuff I can do as a D/D+. They should have discussed what it meant that Shine let him scout to be able to drone up, what he could do with a strong economy. Instead we get 1 minute of bullshit hype. If he doesnt know then don't try too hard just say what's going on, let artosis do the expert role.
Too bad Artosis is by far not qualified for the expert role at all, either. While I do think there were fewer moments in the games I watched (only bisu/shine, bisu/soulkey and flash/shine) compared to last season where it was a total "wtf that's not even close"-moment, he still spews out a bit of basic/more advanced stuff wrong. He seems to know the BW history well at least (but maybe I just feel that way because I never followed the pro scene very closely and wouldn't even know if he was providing wrong information). One that really made me think twice was when Artosis confirmed to Rapid that lurkers are affected by the miss-chance of attacking high ground. Lurkers are not affected by that, their attacks do not count as ranged in that kind of way. They just attack in a direction and everything in their way gets hit (you can dodge it only by moving out of the slow animation's path). And if you focus a unit on the high ground, it will get hit every hit, not just 49% of the time.
Also regarding Bisu's play, it felt completely off. Maybe he was sick and his concentration wasn't on point, but the way he lost some of these corsairs just didn't seem right. But that can happen, being nervous + not feeling well can definitely affect that. But what really stood out to me was his zealot vs zergling micro. It was oftentimes non-existent. His zealot vs zergling micro is usually marvelous and has taught me so much. How to focus the lings and move the zealots back and forth, etc. He did none of that at several occasions, almost as if he wasn't even trying. It seemed like a completely different player.
On June 01 2017 09:38 Dazed_Spy wrote: Artosis and tasteless are boring. They tell the same jokes constantly, over react to their imagined hilarity, and I dont understand the emphasis on trying to teach newbs. Maybe most of their audience were sc2 players, but they've been casting bw for ages, and, either way, it doesnt take much to understand these things. They still occasionally stop mid cast to discuss how dragoons are hard to micro. Err...thanks man. I cant imagine who this niche demographic is that apparently is totally uncomprehending, but they cast as if they exist.
They still get 5k views and the cast that caters to veterans recieves barely any. So they have no reason to change a recipe that breeds success.
Which cast caters to veterans? Because I agree with Dazed_Spy and I find Tastosis boring and not up-to-date.
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