EPT[ATB] Ro8 Day 1: Team Flash vs Team hero
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Terrorbladder
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On February 19 2017 01:34 Terrorbladder wrote: Guys, please remember that these players have already retired as far as their professional careers are concerned, of course they DON'T have to take these games (the team games today) as seriously as they used to in the Kespa era. They're having fun with these games. Think of the games as sponmatches but on LAN You are right ofc, but imo these players also have a responisbility to help the scene as a whole. It's nothing i am really upset about but i think they could have done a bit better. About Effort: I mean online he looks great but you also have to do it offline imo. JD's offline result was better, you cannot deny that. Also "best zerg" isn't only about ZvT, there are more matchups to consider. On February 19 2017 00:05 classicyellow83 wrote: Great news guys. Flash: I heard that sponsors are lined up to sponsor BW leagues. Even SpotTV is preparing something also. Afreeca has more sponsors lined up than they can handle. That sounds great, let's see what is happening  (OGN PLS) | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19307 Posts
On February 18 2017 23:10 juvenal wrote: I don't get this mindset. Nobody can beat Flash in TvZ consistently -> change the map pool? One player dominating a match up has little to do with balance and should never be the reason to take balancing actions. If others can replicate what he's doing then yes, of course. Now I don't know if that's the case right now, my point is: judging the whole TvZ by Flash is nonsensical. Like no one banned Nadal from clay courts in 2005-2013. Fighting Spirit has been an issue for zergs for the past several years. Circuit Breaker is also workings towards that direction. Zero won today because he was on a three spawn map with close rush distances where he was able to punish a greedy Terran player. 5rax can only be punished on FS and CB by two base mutas if Terran makes a large amount of mistakes. And I am not saying maps in response to flash but to state of TvZ in general. | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
In the scenarios where the Zerg can't get map control to establish their third base, the game is pretty much already over. It isn't even semi-exciting in the "Let's root for the underdog" kind of way, because it is more like "Lets hope the Terran player has an aneurysm so the Zerg has a chance". | ||
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Miragee
8646 Posts
On February 19 2017 07:21 SCC-Faust wrote: I don't really like talking about balance, but from a spectator standpoint it is really brutal to watch ZvT. In the scenarios where the Zerg can't get map control to establish their third base, the game is pretty much already over. It isn't even semi-exciting in the "Let's root for the underdog" kind of way, because it is more like "Lets hope the Terran player has an aneurysm so the Zerg has a chance". Yeah, that's like watching FvZ when Flash was on top of his game, destroying zergs left and right before hive tech. Although we have to see more tournament games imho. There is probably a way to probably play against this, it just has to be figured out. If not, new maps would be a good idea to test out. | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On February 19 2017 07:47 Miragee wrote: Yeah, that's like watching FvZ when Flash was on top of his game, destroying zergs left and right before hive tech. Although we have to see more tournament games imho. There is probably a way to probably play against this, it just has to be figured out. If not, new maps would be a good idea to test out. Lets give it another 6 years to figure out | ||
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Miragee
8646 Posts
On February 19 2017 08:18 duke91 wrote: Lets give it another 6 years to figure out Well, 5 rax play had disappeared from the scene for a considerable amount of time. Well, not disappeared completely but it was way less popular than it is now after Last (and Flash I guess) brought it back. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On February 19 2017 08:18 duke91 wrote: Lets give it another 6 years to figure out /end sarcasm. Probably warranted, tho'. | ||
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Toua
Denmark318 Posts
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Terrorbladder
2719 Posts
On February 19 2017 07:21 SCC-Faust wrote: It is also really brutal from a spectator standpoint to watch PvZ in the scenarios where the Protoss can't get map control to establish a third base. Or in the scenarios where the Zerg keeps doing 3hatch Spire into 5hatch Hydra and Protoss predictably dies to a bust...I don't really like talking about balance, but from a spectator standpoint it is really brutal to watch ZvT. In the scenarios where the Zerg can't get map control to establish their third base, the game is pretty much already over. It isn't even semi-exciting in the "Let's root for the underdog" kind of way, because it is more like "Lets hope the Terran player has an aneurysm so the Zerg has a chance". | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On February 18 2017 22:31 BisuDagger wrote: Change the map pool. That's the best answer. Yep, but specifically how? Just simply maps that offer Zerg a better chance to take and hold a gas third? | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
On February 18 2017 21:09 Terrorbladder wrote: Flash be like: "You see here, Last, my firmware was created before yours, but it's more up to date than yours..." Just like Win7 (published 2009) is better than Win10 (published 2015). | ||
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Probemicro
3708 Posts
On February 19 2017 12:45 outscar wrote: Damn EffOrt, you've fallen from your 2015 Bisu wrecking form, dying in less than 10 min. to M&M push, at least give us macro game. Poor ZerO, traveling all long and showing how to play by winning 2 games for these zergies... Just like Win7 (published 2009) is better than Win10 (published 2015). funnily sponmatches ZerO is 3-0 over Flash this month (the only zerg with a winning record this month) :-) also inb4 windows fanboys | ||
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Bakuryu
Germany1065 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Plexa/Backseat_Broodwar/hwaseunghouse.jpg) | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On February 19 2017 10:05 Terrorbladder wrote: It is also really brutal from a spectator standpoint to watch PvZ in the scenarios where the Protoss can't get map control to establish a third base. Or in the scenarios where the Zerg keeps doing 3hatch Spire into 5hatch Hydra and Protoss predictably dies to a bust... This is about ZvT, not PvZ. It's funny how you as a terran immediately try to steer the argument towards PvZ. That's not what we are discussing about. Also what are you talking about? If protoss can't establish a third, he must be ridiculously behind. PvZ nowadays is either 3 base zerg vs 2 base zerg where no one has mapcontrol, or 4 base sim city zerg where protoss gets map control until zerg has enough to break out. | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2396 Posts
Also yeah Effort was just depressing, why is he the ace seriously? | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17733 Posts
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Turbovolver
Australia2396 Posts
On February 19 2017 19:48 Ilikestarcraft wrote: I don't even really think 5 rax is that imbalanced in tvz. Ofc its a really strong build and is one of the reasons why tvz is more favored for terrans these days but the top zergs can still manage against it no wonder Effort struggled | ||
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LittLeLives
United States692 Posts
On February 19 2017 15:23 Bakuryu wrote: after effort self owned himself and lost in 9 minutes and then zero played a nice game by managing to abuse the bad build (on outsider) by last, i was sure they would send zero, but instead this happened.... + Show Spoiler + Definitely looked like they had a discussion at their table. Would've liked to know how it played out. I'm imagining something like ZerO offering to go if no one else wanted to and EffOrt finally saying he'll do it. | ||
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