[ATB] Ro8 Day 1: Team Flash vs Team hero

On February 18 2017 12:15 classicyellow83 wrote:
This should have been the finals.

On February 18 2017 16:09 BLinD-RawR wrote:


fix what?

On February 18 2017 16:17 BLinD-RawR wrote:


yep, for the 2v2.

On February 18 2017 16:15 Wrath wrote:


Flash playing Zerg?

On February 18 2017 19:01 Qikz wrote:
Are you meant to say it A-freeca or is it Af-reeca? (BisuDagger just said the first one)

On February 18 2017 19:27 Terrorbladder wrote:
What a sunken bust! Was that a timing attack from Flash? I thought Effort did enough with his Muta micro...

On February 18 2017 19:31 M2 wrote:
I am not following BW closely for the last few years, but isn't fighting spirit one of the most balanced map for all match ups?

On February 18 2017 19:32 FlaShFTW wrote:

it now has like a 64% win rate in TvZ

On February 18 2017 19:32 FlaShFTW wrote:

it now has like a 64% win rate in TvZ

On February 18 2017 19:53 TheNewEra wrote:
ZerO comes all the way to Seoul --> probably plays only a 2v2

On February 18 2017 19:56 arbiter_md wrote:
Can anybody tell the TeamliquidTV folks that their stream has no video? Just the sound. Or is it intended to be as a radio?

On February 18 2017 19:58 Ansibled wrote:
What is this advert about?

On February 18 2017 19:58 BisuDagger wrote:

It's to make people aware of the http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2 since we are both staff members and official ASL casters.

On February 18 2017 20:04 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Bat-girl is making me think about Suicide Squad... and how ridiculously underpowered a hot girl with a bat and no powers is vs super-threats.

(not that I minded).

On February 18 2017 20:03 Ansibled wrote:

And when they find them they smash the windows with a bat?

On February 18 2017 20:05 LittLeLives wrote:

Crazy is a pretty strong power.

On February 18 2017 20:19 Levque wrote:
these games have sucked

On February 18 2017 20:25 arbiter_md wrote:
I've just read the liquipedia about this league. How did they choose the players in their team? What if two teams wanted one player?

Also interesting that hero team has only zerg players. I think they are disadvantaged with this.

On February 18 2017 20:33 c3rberUs wrote:

Interesting development with the runby

On February 18 2017 20:34 Ej_ wrote:
Last losing to the dreaded 2hatch spire lings

On February 18 2017 20:42 Ej_ wrote:
Last's micro is great, but cmon. can't win on 1 base

On February 18 2017 20:42 c3rberUs wrote:
And ZerO actually forgot he has lings sitting idle at the rally point

On February 18 2017 20:46 duke91 wrote:


he didn't lol. Zerglings are only used as an obstacle to not let marines touch the guardians

On February 18 2017 20:48 thezanursic wrote:
That valk micro was insane, wish last was in a better position so he could take advantage of that sick valk micro

On February 18 2017 20:49 coverpunch wrote:
3v3, everyone must off-race.

On February 18 2017 20:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:

Only zerg allowed

On February 18 2017 20:50 FlaShFTW wrote:
why effort lol

On February 18 2017 20:53 FlaShFTW wrote:

jaedong would like to have a word with you

On February 18 2017 20:54 Probemicro wrote:


effort is better at the moment...
JD needs more time, effort has almost 2 years headstart in this post Kespa era...

On February 18 2017 20:55 Ansibled wrote:
The advert just wasn't as compelling without having a bat.

On February 18 2017 20:55 Ansibled wrote:
The advert just wasn't as compelling without having a bat.

On February 18 2017 20:56 Zera wrote:

JD was in semis in ASL. Where was effort?

On February 18 2017 20:54 coverpunch wrote:
This woman's smoker voice is really bugging me.

On February 18 2017 20:58 arbiter_md wrote:
But Flash didn't drink anything today! Seems like Effort plan failed miserably.

On February 18 2017 20:58 Probemicro wrote:


effort won a ASL while JD was sulking at home wondering whether streaming BW in afreeca is a nice idea.

On February 18 2017 21:08 Miragee wrote:
See, as if Effort is the best zerg in the scene right now...

On February 18 2017 20:58 Piste wrote:
please broodwar gods let this be the most epic game ever

On February 18 2017 21:03 Zera wrote:

JD couldn't stream BW because of his contract with EG. Also we are talking about currently best Zerg and JD showed better results recently.

On February 18 2017 21:08 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Zerg has no real answer to 5 rax +1.

Didn't help that Effort initially placed his 2 lurkers too far in front of his sunkens, but still... seems like Z has to play perfect to win.

On February 18 2017 21:10 Malongo wrote:


DE-DE-DENIED by god.

On February 18 2017 21:08 Miragee wrote:
See, as if Effort is the best zerg in the scene right now...

On February 18 2017 21:10 Probemicro wrote:


every one knows JD had an EG contract, n ot knowing i employed a figure of speech was just poor from you.
also effort has better sponmatch results than JD atm check the results from ygosu. thats a fact

On February 18 2017 21:14 Zera wrote:

he has better results in spon matches indeed, but he choked hard in ASL2 and today his games were very very poor. And the big stages show who is the better player not on-line spon matches. So I still think that JD>Effort

On February 18 2017 21:15 Probemicro wrote:


effort has alrady proven himself (ASL TROPHY), JD no.
your arguments look poorer by the minute lmao. typical JD fanboi :-)

On February 18 2017 21:17 darktreb wrote:
JD is the greatest Zerg ever, but right now he's struggling badly in ZvT. He had one awesome BO5 against Flash which showed his greatness and competitive spirit, but man, you'd be crazy to take him over like five other Zergs right now in a ZvT.

On February 18 2017 21:15 Probemicro wrote:


effort has alrady proven himself (ASL TROPHY), JD no.
your arguments look poorer by the minute lmao. typical JD fanboi :-)

On February 18 2017 21:11 Zera wrote:
I noticed how Larva plays against Flash's 5 rax: he sends two drones at once to take 3rd base, each to seperate main base. This way if one base gets scouted he can put the other hatchery right away. Zerg happily sits on 3 bases, buys time and proceeds to late game.

I still think Zero should have gone instead of Effort though :/

On February 18 2017 21:13 Scaramanga wrote:

He is, 3 hatch muta is a massive struggle against 5 rax +1

On February 18 2017 21:31 [[Starlight]] wrote:
But can anybody really beat Flash in ZvT right now? Consistently?
Seems kinda moot to argue which Z is the best one to serve up on a platter to him.

JD getting back to peak form can't come soon enough.

On February 18 2017 21:25 Zera wrote:

ASL starleauge 1 was won by Shuttle, not by effort. Effort won VANT starleague and that was more then TWO years ago. And you said, qouting: "effort is better at the moment".
What two-years-ago achievement has anything to do with "at the moment"? ASL1 - effort dropped in a group stage, ASL2 - guess what, effort dropped in a group stage once more. As soon as bigger names got in the scene, effort started choking in big tournaments. On the other hand JD went 2-3 against Flash in semis in the ASL2.

Edit: I would probably put Zero over any zerg atm, but effort is just a shadow of a Zerg he used to be. And if we look at the post-kespa era as a whole, in my opinion Killer was the greatest Zerg

On February 18 2017 23:15 darktreb wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

If your life depended on picking one Zerg to play one game or series for you today, who else you gonna go with?

On February 19 2017 00:05 classicyellow83 wrote:
Great news guys.
Flash: I heard that sponsors are lined up to sponsor BW leagues. Even SpotTV is preparing something also. Afreeca has more sponsors lined up than they can handle.

On February 19 2017 00:05 classicyellow83 wrote:
Great news guys.
Flash: I heard that sponsors are lined up to sponsor BW leagues. Even SpotTV is preparing something also. Afreeca has more sponsors lined up than they can handle.

On February 19 2017 00:13 TheNewEra wrote:

Sounds great. Let's hope we get the viewership for everything that's coming.

On February 18 2017 23:15 darktreb wrote:


VANT Starleague was one year ago. The finals were in January 2016. Effort beat Bisu in the finals.

It's weird how many anti-fans Effort seems to have. I guess some Flash fans resent the OSL loss, and JD fans feel threatened because Effort was the second best Zerg in modern BW?

So much is being made out of getting knocked out of two group stages. Especially this past ASL, he got knocked out by first losing an absolutely epic game against Rain, one of the best games of the year, and then losing a ZvT to Light, one of the best TvZ players ever, plus Light whipped out a special build for that game.

If your life depended on picking one Zerg to play one game or series for you today, who else you gonna go with?

On February 19 2017 07:21 SCC-Faust wrote:
I don't really like talking about balance, but from a spectator standpoint it is really brutal to watch ZvT.

In the scenarios where the Zerg can't get map control to establish their third base, the game is pretty much already over. It isn't even semi-exciting in the "Let's root for the underdog" kind of way, because it is more like "Lets hope the Terran player has an aneurysm so the Zerg has a chance".

On February 19 2017 07:47 Miragee wrote:


Yeah, that's like watching FvZ when Flash was on top of his game, destroying zergs left and right before hive tech. Although we have to see more tournament games imho. There is probably a way to probably play against this, it just has to be figured out.

If not, new maps would be a good idea to test out.

On February 19 2017 08:18 duke91 wrote:


Lets give it another 6 years to figure out

On February 19 2017 08:18 duke91 wrote:


Lets give it another 6 years to figure out

On February 19 2017 07:21 SCC-Faust wrote:
I don't really like talking about balance, but from a spectator standpoint it is really brutal to watch ZvT.

In the scenarios where the Zerg can't get map control to establish their third base, the game is pretty much already over. It isn't even semi-exciting in the "Let's root for the underdog" kind of way, because it is more like "Lets hope the Terran player has an aneurysm so the Zerg has a chance".

On February 18 2017 22:31 BisuDagger wrote:

Change the map pool. That's the best answer.

On February 18 2017 21:09 Terrorbladder wrote:
Flash be like: "You see here, Last, my firmware was created before yours, but it's more up to date than yours..."

On February 19 2017 12:45 outscar wrote:
Damn EffOrt, you've fallen from your 2015 Bisu wrecking form, dying in less than 10 min. to M&M push, at least give us macro game. Poor ZerO, traveling all long and showing how to play by winning 2 games for these zergies...



Just like Win7 (published 2009) is better than Win10 (published 2015).

On February 19 2017 10:05 Terrorbladder wrote:
It is also really brutal from a spectator standpoint to watch PvZ in the scenarios where the Protoss can't get map control to establish a third base. Or in the scenarios where the Zerg keeps doing 3hatch Spire into 5hatch Hydra and Protoss predictably dies to a bust...