EPT[ATB] Ro8 Day 1: Team Flash vs Team hero - Page 12
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juvenal
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darktreb
United States3019 Posts
On February 18 2017 21:25 Zera wrote: ASL starleauge 1 was won by Shuttle, not by effort. Effort won VANT starleague and that was more then TWO years ago. And you said, qouting: "effort is better at the moment". What two-years-ago achievement has anything to do with "at the moment"? ASL1 - effort dropped in a group stage, ASL2 - guess what, effort dropped in a group stage once more. As soon as bigger names got in the scene, effort started choking in big tournaments. On the other hand JD went 2-3 against Flash in semis in the ASL2. Edit: I would probably put Zero over any zerg atm, but effort is just a shadow of a Zerg he used to be. And if we look at the post-kespa era as a whole, in my opinion Killer was the greatest Zerg  VANT Starleague was one year ago. The finals were in January 2016. Effort beat Bisu in the finals. It's weird how many anti-fans Effort seems to have. I guess some Flash fans resent the OSL loss, and JD fans feel threatened because Effort was the second best Zerg in modern BW? So much is being made out of getting knocked out of two group stages. Especially this past ASL, he got knocked out by first losing an absolutely epic game against Rain, one of the best games of the year, and then losing a ZvT to Light, one of the best TvZ players ever, plus Light whipped out a special build for that game. If your life depended on picking one Zerg to play one game or series for you today, who else you gonna go with? | ||
TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On February 18 2017 23:15 darktreb wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 18 2017 21:25 Zera wrote: ASL starleauge 1 was won by Shuttle, not by effort. Effort won VANT starleague and that was more then TWO years ago. And you said, qouting: "effort is better at the moment". What two-years-ago achievement has anything to do with "at the moment"? ASL1 - effort dropped in a group stage, ASL2 - guess what, effort dropped in a group stage once more. As soon as bigger names got in the scene, effort started choking in big tournaments. On the other hand JD went 2-3 against Flash in semis in the ASL2. Edit: I would probably put Zero over any zerg atm, but effort is just a shadow of a Zerg he used to be. And if we look at the post-kespa era as a whole, in my opinion Killer was the greatest Zerg VANT Starleague was one year ago. The finals were in January 2016. Effort beat Bisu in the finals. It's weird how many anti-fans Effort seems to have. I guess some Flash fans resent the OSL loss, and JD fans feel threatened because Effort was the second best Zerg in modern BW? So much is being made out of getting knocked out of two group stages. Especially this past ASL, he got knocked out by first losing an absolutely epic game against Rain, one of the best games of the year, and then losing a ZvT to Light, one of the best TvZ players ever, plus Light whipped out a special build for that game. If your life depended on picking one Zerg to play one game or series for you today, who else you gonna go with? Honestly? I would have picked the stronger zvt player who also had a better day Also I don't think the people you're addressing are necessarily anti-fans of Effort. It's just that no one believes in him anymore | ||
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Miragee
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
Flash: I didn't want to do ace match because I've haven't been playing well. But, I saw Last already taking his mouse and keyboard out. So I played. | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
Flash: I heard that sponsors are lined up to sponsor BW leagues. Even SpotTV is preparing something also. Afreeca has more sponsors lined up than they can handle. | ||
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On February 19 2017 00:05 classicyellow83 wrote: Great news guys. Flash: I heard that sponsors are lined up to sponsor BW leagues. Even SpotTV is preparing something also. Afreeca has more sponsors lined up than they can handle. Sounds great. Let's hope we get the viewership for everything that's coming. | ||
c3rberUs
Japan11944 Posts
On February 19 2017 00:05 classicyellow83 wrote: Great news guys. Flash: I heard that sponsors are lined up to sponsor BW leagues. Even SpotTV is preparing something also. Afreeca has more sponsors lined up than they can handle. I just got the strangest case of the chills (and it's not because of the cold.) | ||
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Lucumo
6850 Posts
On February 19 2017 00:13 TheNewEra wrote: Sounds great. Let's hope we get the viewership for everything that's coming. Yep, if the viewership is good, it will only become bigger. | ||
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
On February 18 2017 23:15 darktreb wrote: VANT Starleague was one year ago. The finals were in January 2016. Effort beat Bisu in the finals. It's weird how many anti-fans Effort seems to have. I guess some Flash fans resent the OSL loss, and JD fans feel threatened because Effort was the second best Zerg in modern BW? So much is being made out of getting knocked out of two group stages. Especially this past ASL, he got knocked out by first losing an absolutely epic game against Rain, one of the best games of the year, and then losing a ZvT to Light, one of the best TvZ players ever, plus Light whipped out a special build for that game. If your life depended on picking one Zerg to play one game or series for you today, who else you gonna go with? oh yes, my bad, it was one year ago. I will be honest, I don't like Effort, but not for the reasons you stated. And I really wanted him to win today, because I love Zerg race <3 Light whipped out a special build, so why Effort didn't preapre any special build against Light? Why he didn't prepare any special builds for todays games against Flash? Maybe he just doesn't take the game seriosuly enough and that's sad :/ | ||
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Terrorbladder
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On February 19 2017 01:34 Terrorbladder wrote: Guys, please remember that these players have already retired as far as their professional careers are concerned, of course they DON'T have to take these games (the team games today) as seriously as they used to in the Kespa era. They're having fun with these games. Think of the games as sponmatches but on LAN You are right ofc, but imo these players also have a responisbility to help the scene as a whole. It's nothing i am really upset about but i think they could have done a bit better. About Effort: I mean online he looks great but you also have to do it offline imo. JD's offline result was better, you cannot deny that. Also "best zerg" isn't only about ZvT, there are more matchups to consider. On February 19 2017 00:05 classicyellow83 wrote: Great news guys. Flash: I heard that sponsors are lined up to sponsor BW leagues. Even SpotTV is preparing something also. Afreeca has more sponsors lined up than they can handle. That sounds great, let's see what is happening (OGN PLS) | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19399 Posts
On February 18 2017 23:10 juvenal wrote: I don't get this mindset. Nobody can beat Flash in TvZ consistently -> change the map pool? One player dominating a match up has little to do with balance and should never be the reason to take balancing actions. If others can replicate what he's doing then yes, of course. Now I don't know if that's the case right now, my point is: judging the whole TvZ by Flash is nonsensical. Like no one banned Nadal from clay courts in 2005-2013. Fighting Spirit has been an issue for zergs for the past several years. Circuit Breaker is also workings towards that direction. Zero won today because he was on a three spawn map with close rush distances where he was able to punish a greedy Terran player. 5rax can only be punished on FS and CB by two base mutas if Terran makes a large amount of mistakes. And I am not saying maps in response to flash but to state of TvZ in general. | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
In the scenarios where the Zerg can't get map control to establish their third base, the game is pretty much already over. It isn't even semi-exciting in the "Let's root for the underdog" kind of way, because it is more like "Lets hope the Terran player has an aneurysm so the Zerg has a chance". | ||
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Miragee
8716 Posts
On February 19 2017 07:21 SCC-Faust wrote: I don't really like talking about balance, but from a spectator standpoint it is really brutal to watch ZvT. In the scenarios where the Zerg can't get map control to establish their third base, the game is pretty much already over. It isn't even semi-exciting in the "Let's root for the underdog" kind of way, because it is more like "Lets hope the Terran player has an aneurysm so the Zerg has a chance". Yeah, that's like watching FvZ when Flash was on top of his game, destroying zergs left and right before hive tech. Although we have to see more tournament games imho. There is probably a way to probably play against this, it just has to be figured out. If not, new maps would be a good idea to test out. | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On February 19 2017 07:47 Miragee wrote: Yeah, that's like watching FvZ when Flash was on top of his game, destroying zergs left and right before hive tech. Although we have to see more tournament games imho. There is probably a way to probably play against this, it just has to be figured out. If not, new maps would be a good idea to test out. Lets give it another 6 years to figure out | ||
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Miragee
8716 Posts
On February 19 2017 08:18 duke91 wrote: Lets give it another 6 years to figure out Well, 5 rax play had disappeared from the scene for a considerable amount of time. Well, not disappeared completely but it was way less popular than it is now after Last (and Flash I guess) brought it back. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On February 19 2017 08:18 duke91 wrote: Lets give it another 6 years to figure out /end sarcasm. Probably warranted, tho'. | ||
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Toua
Denmark318 Posts
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