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On February 18 2017 21:03 Zera wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2017 20:58 Probemicro wrote:On February 18 2017 20:56 Zera wrote:On February 18 2017 20:54 Probemicro wrote:On February 18 2017 20:53 FlaShFTW wrote:On February 18 2017 20:53 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On February 18 2017 20:50 FlaShFTW wrote:
why effort lol Cuz he is the best zerg in the scene. jaedong would like to have a word with you effort is better at the moment... JD needs more time, effort has almost 2 years headstart in this post Kespa era... JD was in semis in ASL. Where was effort? effort won a ASL while JD was sulking at home wondering whether streaming BW in afreeca is a nice idea. JD couldn't stream BW because of his contract with EG. Also we are talking about currently best Zerg  and JD showed better results recently.
every one knows JD had an EG contract, n ot knowing i employed a figure of speech was just poor from you.
also effort has better sponmatch results than JD atm check the results from ygosu. thats a fact
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I noticed how Larva plays against Flash's 5 rax: he sends two drones at once to take 3rd base, each to seperate main base. This way if one base gets scouted he can put the other hatchery right away. Zerg happily sits on 3 bases, buys time and proceeds to late game.
I still think Zero should have gone instead of Effort though :/
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On February 18 2017 21:08 [[Starlight]] wrote:Zerg has no real answer to 5 rax +1.  Didn't help that Effort initially placed his 2 lurkers too far in front of his sunkens, but still... seems like Z has to play perfect to win.
it looks like flash didnt even need to build a turret. thats corner cutting at its finest :-)
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On February 18 2017 21:10 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2017 20:58 Piste wrote:
please broodwar gods let this be the most epic game ever DE-DE-DENIED by god.
Or just by god damn effort. he plays too greedily+ doesn't understand flash can micro.
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On February 18 2017 21:08 Miragee wrote:
See, as if Effort is the best zerg in the scene right now...
He is, 3 hatch muta is a massive struggle against 5 rax +1
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On February 18 2017 21:10 Probemicro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2017 21:03 Zera wrote:On February 18 2017 20:58 Probemicro wrote:On February 18 2017 20:56 Zera wrote:On February 18 2017 20:54 Probemicro wrote:On February 18 2017 20:53 FlaShFTW wrote:On February 18 2017 20:53 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On February 18 2017 20:50 FlaShFTW wrote:
why effort lol Cuz he is the best zerg in the scene. jaedong would like to have a word with you effort is better at the moment... JD needs more time, effort has almost 2 years headstart in this post Kespa era... JD was in semis in ASL. Where was effort? effort won a ASL while JD was sulking at home wondering whether streaming BW in afreeca is a nice idea. JD couldn't stream BW because of his contract with EG. Also we are talking about currently best Zerg and JD showed better results recently. every one knows JD had an EG contract, n ot knowing i employed a figure of speech was just poor from you. also effort has better sponmatch results than JD atm check the results from ygosu. thats a fact
he has better results in spon matches indeed, but he choked hard in ASL2 and today his games were very very poor. And the big stages show who is the better player not on-line spon matches. So I still think that JD>Effort
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someone PM me results so I can update, my bad guys I'm working today too
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On February 18 2017 21:10 Probemicro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2017 21:03 Zera wrote:On February 18 2017 20:58 Probemicro wrote:On February 18 2017 20:56 Zera wrote:On February 18 2017 20:54 Probemicro wrote:On February 18 2017 20:53 FlaShFTW wrote:On February 18 2017 20:53 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On February 18 2017 20:50 FlaShFTW wrote:
why effort lol Cuz he is the best zerg in the scene. jaedong would like to have a word with you effort is better at the moment... JD needs more time, effort has almost 2 years headstart in this post Kespa era... JD was in semis in ASL. Where was effort? effort won a ASL while JD was sulking at home wondering whether streaming BW in afreeca is a nice idea. JD couldn't stream BW because of his contract with EG. Also we are talking about currently best Zerg and JD showed better results recently. every one knows JD had an EG contract, n ot knowing i employed a figure of speech was just poor from you. also effort has better sponmatch results than JD atm check the results from ygosu. thats a fact
Are you talking about the january results or february? Not everyone can read korean 
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Effort was way behind as soon as he had to cancel his third, but he got a tad unlucky with losing the first three Lurkers because if he moves them 3 seconds sooner, they get to the bridges, and 3 seconds later, he wouldn't move them away from the Sunkens at all. It's at least a game if he has 5 Lurkers to work with.
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On February 18 2017 21:14 Zera wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2017 21:10 Probemicro wrote:On February 18 2017 21:03 Zera wrote:On February 18 2017 20:58 Probemicro wrote:On February 18 2017 20:56 Zera wrote:On February 18 2017 20:54 Probemicro wrote:On February 18 2017 20:53 FlaShFTW wrote:On February 18 2017 20:53 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On February 18 2017 20:50 FlaShFTW wrote:
why effort lol Cuz he is the best zerg in the scene. jaedong would like to have a word with you effort is better at the moment... JD needs more time, effort has almost 2 years headstart in this post Kespa era... JD was in semis in ASL. Where was effort? effort won a ASL while JD was sulking at home wondering whether streaming BW in afreeca is a nice idea. JD couldn't stream BW because of his contract with EG. Also we are talking about currently best Zerg and JD showed better results recently. every one knows JD had an EG contract, n ot knowing i employed a figure of speech was just poor from you. also effort has better sponmatch results than JD atm check the results from ygosu. thats a fact he has better results in spon matches indeed, but he choked hard in ASL2 and today his games were very very poor. And the big stages show who is the better player not on-line spon matches. So I still think that JD>Effort
effort has alrady proven himself (ASL TROPHY), JD no.
your arguments look poorer by the minute lmao. typical JD fanboi :-)
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JD is the greatest Zerg ever, but right now he's struggling badly in ZvT. He had one awesome BO5 against Flash which showed his greatness and competitive spirit, but man, you'd be crazy to take him over like five other Zergs right now in a ZvT.
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Phew, it's been so long to watch live matches again (without sleep). Great matches even though most people may not be fully satisfied with level of game play.
I was doing some live Korean commentary->English chat translation practice that I haven't done for a long time on my stream and had a good feel doing it again. Maybe I'll do more in near future.
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On February 18 2017 21:15 Probemicro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2017 21:14 Zera wrote:On February 18 2017 21:10 Probemicro wrote:On February 18 2017 21:03 Zera wrote:On February 18 2017 20:58 Probemicro wrote:On February 18 2017 20:56 Zera wrote:On February 18 2017 20:54 Probemicro wrote:On February 18 2017 20:53 FlaShFTW wrote:On February 18 2017 20:53 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On February 18 2017 20:50 FlaShFTW wrote:
why effort lol Cuz he is the best zerg in the scene. jaedong would like to have a word with you effort is better at the moment... JD needs more time, effort has almost 2 years headstart in this post Kespa era... JD was in semis in ASL. Where was effort? effort won a ASL while JD was sulking at home wondering whether streaming BW in afreeca is a nice idea. JD couldn't stream BW because of his contract with EG. Also we are talking about currently best Zerg and JD showed better results recently. every one knows JD had an EG contract, n ot knowing i employed a figure of speech was just poor from you. also effort has better sponmatch results than JD atm check the results from ygosu. thats a fact he has better results in spon matches indeed, but he choked hard in ASL2 and today his games were very very poor. And the big stages show who is the better player not on-line spon matches. So I still think that JD>Effort effort has alrady proven himself (ASL TROPHY), JD no. your arguments look poorer by the minute lmao. typical JD fanboi :-)
Not really wanting to barge in into your ridiculous discussion but what "ASL" did Effort win? Certainly not ASL 1 where he didn't make it past the group stage and also certainly not ASL 2 where he also didn't make it past the group stage.
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On February 18 2017 21:17 darktreb wrote:
JD is the greatest Zerg ever, but right now he's struggling badly in ZvT. He had one awesome BO5 against Flash which showed his greatness and competitive spirit, but man, you'd be crazy to take him over like five other Zergs right now in a ZvT.
ALL zergs are struggling with ZvT. It's ridiculous not to even acknowledge this. Zerg is on an uphill battle except for that 20 seconds timing where zerg has 4 bases against terran 5 base, where MAYBE he can Sauron the terran.
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On February 18 2017 21:15 Probemicro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2017 21:14 Zera wrote:On February 18 2017 21:10 Probemicro wrote:On February 18 2017 21:03 Zera wrote:On February 18 2017 20:58 Probemicro wrote:On February 18 2017 20:56 Zera wrote:On February 18 2017 20:54 Probemicro wrote:On February 18 2017 20:53 FlaShFTW wrote:On February 18 2017 20:53 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On February 18 2017 20:50 FlaShFTW wrote:
why effort lol Cuz he is the best zerg in the scene. jaedong would like to have a word with you effort is better at the moment... JD needs more time, effort has almost 2 years headstart in this post Kespa era... JD was in semis in ASL. Where was effort? effort won a ASL while JD was sulking at home wondering whether streaming BW in afreeca is a nice idea. JD couldn't stream BW because of his contract with EG. Also we are talking about currently best Zerg and JD showed better results recently. every one knows JD had an EG contract, n ot knowing i employed a figure of speech was just poor from you. also effort has better sponmatch results than JD atm check the results from ygosu. thats a fact he has better results in spon matches indeed, but he choked hard in ASL2 and today his games were very very poor. And the big stages show who is the better player not on-line spon matches. So I still think that JD>Effort effort has alrady proven himself (ASL TROPHY), JD no. your arguments look poorer by the minute lmao. typical JD fanboi :-)
ASL starleauge 1 was won by Shuttle, not by effort. Effort won VANT starleague and that was more then TWO years ago. And you said, qouting: "effort is better at the moment".
What two-years-ago achievement has anything to do with "at the moment"? ASL1 - effort dropped in a group stage, ASL2 - guess what, effort dropped in a group stage once more. As soon as bigger names got in the scene, effort started choking in big tournaments. On the other hand JD went 2-3 against Flash in semis in the ASL2.
Edit: I would probably put Zero over any zerg atm, but effort is just a shadow of a Zerg he used to be. And if we look at the post-kespa era as a whole, in my opinion Killer was the greatest Zerg
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On February 18 2017 21:11 Zera wrote:
I noticed how Larva plays against Flash's 5 rax: he sends two drones at once to take 3rd base, each to seperate main base. This way if one base gets scouted he can put the other hatchery right away. Zerg happily sits on 3 bases, buys time and proceeds to late game.
I still think Zero should have gone instead of Effort though :/
People did that in kespa era as well.
On February 18 2017 21:13 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2017 21:08 Miragee wrote:
See, as if Effort is the best zerg in the scene right now... He is, 3 hatch muta is a massive struggle against 5 rax +1
It wasn't a struggle though, it was a rape.
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But can anybody really beat Flash in ZvT right now? Consistently?
Seems kinda moot to argue which Z is the best one to serve up on a platter to him.
JD getting back to peak form can't come soon enough.
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On February 18 2017 21:31 [[Starlight]] wrote:But can anybody really beat Flash in ZvT right now? Consistently? Seems kinda moot to argue which Z is the best one to serve up on a platter to him. JD getting back to peak form can't come soon enough.
The answer is probably no sadly
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On February 18 2017 22:09 Zera wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2017 21:31 [[Starlight]] wrote:But can anybody really beat Flash in ZvT right now? Consistently? Seems kinda moot to argue which Z is the best one to serve up on a platter to him. JD getting back to peak form can't come soon enough. The answer is probably no sadly
Change the map pool. That's the best answer.
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Effort alone is not enough to overcome God.
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