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[ASL2] Ro8 Stork vs Jaedong
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BigFan
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Afreeca TV (BisuDagger and FlashFTW) twitch TV (Tasteless/Rapid and Artosis) ASL Youtube Channel with both English and Korean Stream | ||
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BigFan
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Poll: Head? Jaedong (72) Stork (56) 128 total votes Your vote: Head? Poll: Heart? Jaedong (76) Stork (52) 128 total votes Your vote: Heart? | ||
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kogeT
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SCC-Faust
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Caihead
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usopsama
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FlaShFTW
United States10154 Posts
On January 10 2017 03:10 SCC-Faust wrote: JD will get reverse all killed 2-3. Will bet my left nut on this. then how will Just be able to suck you off in the future? Also bigfan please fix the time. You gave me a heart attack thinking I missed this cast lol. Can't afford to miss TBLS games. Jaedong 3-1. I believe his practice in the past couple of weeks will be he deciding factor. Stork's PvZ is pretty lackluster but the meta has recently been favoring Protoss more and more so we'll see. | ||
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BigFan
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On January 10 2017 03:19 usopsama wrote: Flash vs Jaedong would certainly be epic, but it is not going to happen. Stork will slaughter Jaedong. and what do you base that on? Jaedong for this 3-2! | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
I hope Jaedong doesn't play overly aggressive and doesn't risk all in /low drone builds. The think that would be a mistake against someone like Stork. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On January 10 2017 04:52 arbiter_md wrote: Judging by the games on their streams, I think Jd will 3-0 Stork here. Too big difference in play. What kind of difference? | ||
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HolydaKing
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Lunaticman
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Warfie
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so JD 3-0 then! he he | ||
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Zera
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
JD's ceiling is higher than Stork's, plus he's more 'clutch' mentally... but I think JD is further away from his ceiling right now than Stork is. Remember how Best clobbered him not once, but twice in this tourney already (Best is playing out of his mind right now, but still). I'll take Stork in 5 games. But it should be a nail-biter. Would be nice to see a long, back-and-forth series. | ||
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renzy
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letian
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Somehow I feel nervous because it is Storku. I stopped watching streams due to lack of time. Who has been watching his PvZ streams lately? | ||
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
On January 10 2017 04:52 arbiter_md wrote: Judging by the games on their streams, I think Jd will 3-0 Stork here. Too big difference in play. I also noticed that Jaedong seems to have much much better ZvP on stream, but so far he hasn't been able to show that in official games. The other thing is that Stork's PvZ looked completely pedestrian even at his peak as a player, yet he somehow had a 12-11 record against Jaedong professionally. I think 3-2, but no idea who will clutch it out. | ||
ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1685 Posts
Hyped, I hope they show great games!! | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
The one I have been really waiting for. Don't disappoint me DINOTOSS | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
Hwaiting! | ||
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RealityIsKing
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He went Afreecan after Jaedong. | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
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Crisium
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thezanursic
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BisuDagger
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On January 10 2017 09:44 Crisium wrote: The thing about Stork is that anything is possible. He can 3-0 or 0-3 with equal chance. And with anything possible, winning becomes possible most of all. APM, practice, researching goon range, these are crutches. He needs only destiny and fate to forge his way forward, once again as the leader of his race. Stork is the supreme commander. Victory after victory. So what you're saying is cyber core upgrades arent important but forge upgrades are. Thank god for +1 speedlot timings. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4127 Posts
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
Hoping for a 5 game series between two of the greats. | ||
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mierin
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ThreeActPlay
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Descent
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eekmice
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sM.Zik
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Hope ill be able to stay up until the match! | ||
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lestye
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BigFan
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On January 10 2017 14:48 lestye wrote: I've heard Jaedong preparing super hard for this match on-stream.How hard has Stork trained for this? Well, he was chatting with a bj girl the other day, so, quite a lot?  | ||
Peeano
Netherlands4988 Posts
I actually want Stork to win, because I think he can give Flash a better challenge than JD currently can. Even if JD is much more deserving, fuck hard work. Flash in an interview once mentioned that he thought it's insulting when they call him talented, because he works so so hard. Well I think just like talent, hard work can only get you so far. (Even if it's mere to wanting to have an excuse for my own shortcomings). So go talent! Stork <3 As for Flash he is my prime example of what happens when talent meets hard work. Or is he an example when through hard work you can become talented? Hmmmm... | ||
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byj
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L1ghtning
Sweden353 Posts
This is so different. JD knows his ZvP. I think this is JD's series to lose. He lost to Best, but so did Hero, who is considered the best zerg right now, and more or less a ZvP specialist. Stork is not Best. But I hope to be proven wrong, because I have always liked Stork as a player, and maybe Stork doing well could bring Daniel the austrian out of the woodwork. And if he's in form, Stork vs Flash would be equally epic to Flash vs JD. | ||
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Sawamura
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Wolf
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Peeano
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On January 10 2017 16:56 Wolf wrote: Going to the studio to watch this one in person. Have fun, and please make a funny cheer sign for Stork  | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
On January 10 2017 09:32 duke91 wrote: whatever happens today, we will all win exactly flash vs jaedong flash vs stork both mouth-watering matches (although flash vs stork bo5 is more exciting to me) | ||
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Grettin
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Th1rdEye
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Gonna be up for this one. Sorry FlaSh, my sleep more important | ||
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Grettin
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On January 10 2017 17:49 neutralrobot wrote: Is the TL calendar correct, and this starts in a bit over an hour? Not like 10 min? In an hour. | ||
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Hildegard
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This is going to be SO sick! | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
Only played and watched WC3 before then. Really hyped to watch them again in 2017. | ||
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Grettin
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Glioburd
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Grettin
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HYPE | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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yeah pretty packed indeed :D | ||
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Kare
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BLinD-RawR
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On January 10 2017 18:45 KingofdaHipHop wrote: wow the place is packed, glad I stayed up for this one well duh, its the TBLS effect | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On January 10 2017 18:22 Grettin wrote: https://twitter.com/CallMeTasteless/status/818749612248834049 HYPE Hell to the yeah. | ||
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valaki
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On January 10 2017 19:05 Heartland wrote: why do I have to be at fucking work?! I'm at work too and watching it lol | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
![[image loading]](http://ffom.img.afreecatv.com/STORY_CONTENT/leo141026/2016/01/10/ECA7809_2.gif) | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On January 10 2017 19:06 classicyellow83 wrote: JiYoo is watching you stork!! What is wrong with her eye  | ||
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Draconicfire
Canada2562 Posts
Her shoulder is bugging me more tbh. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On January 10 2017 19:05 Heartland wrote: why do I have to be at fucking work?! I get to watch at work. | ||
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FlaShFTW
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[[Starlight]]
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(but he kinda talked smack vs Best before their second meeting too, and...) | ||
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classicyellow83
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How about this one? ![[image loading]](http://stimg.afreeca.com/PHOTO_BBS/8/9335658/ekwhgdkwldb-8.gif) | ||
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GTR
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whatever happened to bj sally, is she still around? she was my bae back in 2009-10. | ||
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Grettin
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On January 10 2017 19:12 GTR wrote: whatever happened to bj sally, is she still around? she was my bae back in 2009-10. Shes around alright lol | ||
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Grettin
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ZoW
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GTR
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THE FEELS | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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GTR
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EVEN MORE FEELS | ||
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Grettin
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rotta
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Almost ten years :o | ||
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BigFan
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usopsama
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ROyrlq5.jpg) We need the Stork horn. | ||
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byj
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letian
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rotta
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thezanursic
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Stork is going to cheese 3 games in a row t.t | ||
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Grettin
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BLinD-RawR
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rotta
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Grettin
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BLinD-RawR
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stork is boned | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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On January 10 2017 19:20 [17]Purple wrote: Why were there cultists? jaedong's sashin | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
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On January 10 2017 19:22 HolydaKing wrote: hope the rest will be more exciting. You must not be a fan of brood war | ||
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Miragee
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On January 10 2017 19:19 thezanursic wrote: STORK NOOO. Stork is going to cheese 3 games in a row t.t Nah, just the first game. It's a nice idea. //JD just reacted like a boss, lol. | ||
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HolydaKing
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Idk, it seemed like a straight build order win to me. Storks face when he saw the first 6 lings with his probe was like "fuck". | ||
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letian
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On January 10 2017 19:24 classicyellow83 wrote: Stork lost the moment JD went 9pool. don't forget you have to micro your zerlings and drones really well | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10154 Posts
On January 10 2017 19:24 classicyellow83 wrote: Stork lost the moment JD went 9pool. it was overpool but same deal. it was even more over when jaedong made 6 lings then made extra lings after that blind. | ||
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BisuDagger
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Dante08
Singapore4127 Posts
I just got off work and rushing home to watch now!! | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6579 Posts
On January 10 2017 19:25 letian wrote: don't forget you have to micro your zerlings and drones really well make sunk in main,kill protoss with the first 6 lings gg.jaedong actually took the harder way to deal with it. | ||
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juvenal
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On January 10 2017 19:25 letian wrote: don't forget you have to micro your zerlings and drones really well well we're talking about JD here! | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10154 Posts
On January 10 2017 19:26 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Keep in mind jaedong was at like 6 drones. It was a much closer game than you might think looking at it. he had 4 in his main and like 3-4 in his natural. you only need like 7 drones to constantly pump lings from 2 hatch. jd was fine that game especially since stork attacked into a sunken. speed was also gonna come up soon which means jaedong can start rallying lings to stork's base and maneuver fine against probes and cripple stork's economy. | ||
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Miragee
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On January 10 2017 19:24 thezanursic wrote: Stork... If at the very least he 2 gated at his natural He did it unscouted. If he scouted first, JD would have been aware of what was going on even earlier. | ||
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classicyellow83
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thezanursic
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On January 10 2017 19:25 Piste wrote: Im disappointed that stork tried double proxygates.. : Precisely how I felt about Bisu, except that Bisu doesn't have Stork's excuse of just recently switching back | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On January 10 2017 19:27 FlaShFTW wrote: he had 4 in his main and like 3-4 in his natural. you only need like 7 drones to constantly pump lings from 2 hatch. jd was fine that game especially since stork attacked into a sunken. speed was also gonna come up soon which means jaedong can start rallying lings to stork's base and maneuver fine against probes and cripple stork's economy. True, pool before hatch is definitely a great position to be in vs proxy 2 gate. But one mistake in control early and you're completely fucked. But this is jaedong, he handled business. | ||
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LittLeLives
United States692 Posts
On January 10 2017 19:28 HolydaKing wrote: What are the odds of the exact same thing happening in the next 2 games? :p Given that JD's strengths are aggressive games, pretty likely. This is the guy that advanced from the last group stage 5pool'ing after all. | ||
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BigFan
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Poll: Recommend game 1? no (21) If you have time (13) yes (6) 40 total votes Your vote: Recommend game 1? | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6579 Posts
On January 10 2017 19:31 Vuk_91 wrote: Pool before hatch is NOT an automatic win vs proxy gates... First of all, Stork needed that probe really badly, and second, JD still needed a perfect control, which he obviously had. in a 3 players map 9 pool is auto win vs 2 gates proxy. | ||
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Grettin
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thezanursic
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On January 10 2017 19:32 BigFan wrote: Poll: Recommend game 1? no (21) If you have time (13) yes (6) 40 total votes Your vote: Recommend game 1? Gotta go with no, it could be an interesting game in hindsight if Stork reverse sweeps, but if he loses, a bad game is a bad game | ||
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Miragee
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On January 10 2017 19:28 HolydaKing wrote: What are the odds of the exact same thing happening in the next 2 games? :p Not very high. It's a valid decision to try and cheese in the first game. Stork has done that in the past. On January 10 2017 19:29 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: True, pool before hatch is definitely a great position to be in vs proxy 2 gate. But one mistake in control early and you're completely fucked. But this is jaedong, he handled business. Overpool is the best opening against protoss anyways. | ||
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classicyellow83
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On January 10 2017 19:32 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: in a 3 players map 9 pool is auto win vs 2 gates proxy. Plus if you watch a lot of streams these days Zerg rarely lose to proxy 2 gates even when they go 2 hatch. Proxy 2 gate has low win rate even against 12 hatch these days. | ||
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Grettin
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BLinD-RawR
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On January 10 2017 19:34 atrox_ wrote: so glad to see ASL really getting this viewership and they are crowdfunding the prizepool and finals venue now. | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
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On January 10 2017 19:35 BLinD-RawR wrote: and they are crowdfunding the prizepool and finals venue now. that's so cool. i feel like they could fill a stadium for a finals if they got the funding for it | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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On January 10 2017 19:34 classicyellow83 wrote: Plus if you watch a lot of streams these days Zerg rarely lose to proxy 2 gates even when they go 2 hatch. Proxy 2 gate has low win rate even against 12 hatch these days. maybe you dont know but im C rank fish :D | ||
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Vuk_91
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On January 10 2017 19:32 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: in a 3 players map 9 pool is auto win vs 2 gates proxy. But Damian is a 4 player map right? | ||
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atrox_
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On January 10 2017 19:37 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: maybe you dont know but im C rank fish :D #humblebrag | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On January 10 2017 19:37 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: maybe you dont know but im C rank fish :D I was agreeing with you. O,O | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On January 10 2017 19:33 Miragee wrote: Not very high. It's a valid decision to try and cheese in the first game. Stork has done that in the past. Overpool is the best opening against protoss anyways. Its great for making the protoss go forge cannon before nexus, but on some maps he can still nexus before making his first cannon. Also imo its not good against a 9 gate forge nexus controlled by someone like bisu. You're oversimplifying the match up. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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[sc1f]eonzerg
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demian = 3 players | ||
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RHoudini
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Grettin
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SO CLOSE JD | ||
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atrox_
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On January 10 2017 19:40 atrox_ wrote: anyone know this song name? - can't really hear the words to google lyrics found it^^ | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On January 10 2017 19:39 RHoudini wrote: Easy! Stork should have practiced more. Stork played the most games this month. Even more than JD. | ||
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Piste
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On January 10 2017 19:40 Heyoka wrote: ROFL imagine waiting in the studio for 4 hours for this haha. Hopefully the third game will be a bit longer.. | ||
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BigFan
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Poll: Recommend game 2? no (26) If you have time (9) yes (5) 40 total votes Your vote: Recommend game 2? | ||
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Miragee
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On January 10 2017 19:38 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Its great for making the protoss go forge cannon before nexus, but on some maps he can still nexus before making his first cannon. Also imo its not good against a 9 gate forge nexus controlled by someone like bisu. You're oversimplifying the match up. Back then, 9 Pool was a noob filter in ZvP on ICCup. Protoss players who wouldn't scout it as 9 pool but Overpool and go nex before cannon off of that would just lose. However, if the protoss scouts it correctly and builds a cannon before nex, he is slightly ahead. | ||
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gngfn
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On January 10 2017 19:42 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: stork trained alot with effort.i guess effort wasnt rushing that much ;; Honestly he's a little oblivious if he didn't see this coming given Jaedong's build selection in the tournament so far | ||
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HolydaKing
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On January 10 2017 19:40 Heyoka wrote: ROFL imagine waiting in the studio for 4 hours for this Well, you get to see lots of awesome ads. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10154 Posts
On January 10 2017 19:43 gngfn wrote: Honestly he's a little oblivious if he didn't see this coming given Jaedong's build selection in the tournament so far I agree. Jaedong's macro play has not looked very strong especially against Best. He's obviously trying to end games early. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6579 Posts
On January 10 2017 19:43 gngfn wrote: Honestly he's a little oblivious if he didn't see this coming given Jaedong's build selection in the tournament so far i guess the 2 gates fail really affected him. | ||
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BigFan
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Poll: Recommend game 1? no (21) If you have time (13) yes (6) 40 total votes Your vote: Recommend game 1? Poll: Recommend game 2? no (26) If you have time (9) yes (5) 40 total votes Your vote: Recommend game 2? | ||
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FlaShFTW
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On January 10 2017 19:46 BigFan wrote: Poll: Recommend game 1? no (21) If you have time (13) yes (6) 40 total votes Your vote: Recommend game 1? Poll: Recommend game 2? no (26) If you have time (9) yes (5) 40 total votes Your vote: Recommend game 2? lol jesus the game quality haha | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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BigFan
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On January 10 2017 19:48 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: if jaedong wins with 5p now im sure ygosu will eat him alive :D sounds scary | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
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tanngard
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[[Starlight]]
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"Well guys, there's no Layer in this series. I've heard of a building called a Layer. But no has seen a Layer." ahahaha... wat? I 'dayer' you to say "Lair'. | ||
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thezanursic
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On January 10 2017 19:49 tanngard wrote: Why didnt Stork build more cannons? I mean he was playing in the dark and should know that this kind of hydralisk attack would be a possibility. Its so stubborn... Lol that would have been bad, how about he scouted for the 3rd base instead? The answer isn't to make 5 cannons every game, that's a newbie thing to do, and a sure way to put yourself behind EVERY game | ||
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[[Starlight]]
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On January 10 2017 19:45 FlaShFTW wrote: I agree. Jaedong's macro play has not looked very strong especially against Best. He's obviously trying to end games early. Does seem like Stork's attempted early aggression has played exactly perfectly into JD's hands. | ||
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rotta
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hitthat
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classicyellow83
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TheFoReveRwaR
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Miragee
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On January 10 2017 19:51 thezanursic wrote: Lol that would have been bad, how about he scouted for the 3rd base instead? The answer isn't to make 5 cannons every game, that's a newbie thing to do, and a sure way to put yourself behind EVERY game This, lol. | ||
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tanngard
Norway1325 Posts
On January 10 2017 19:51 thezanursic wrote: Lol that would have been bad, how about he scouted for the 3rd base instead? The answer isn't to make 5 cannons every game, that's a newbie thing to do, and a sure way to put yourself behind EVERY game I know that, but he WAS playing in the dark which means he lost his scouting probe too early. He cannot scout if zerglings are preventing him from sending out more probes. Then what do he do? Just hope the zerg does not just go kill him like he did in that game? | ||
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GTR
51446 Posts
On January 10 2017 19:55 tanngard wrote: I know that, but he WAS playing in the dark which means he lost his scouting probe too early. He cannot scout if zerglings are preventing him from sending out more probes. Then what do he do? Just hope the zerg does not just go kill him like he did in that game? well if you build 5 cannons and the zerg just drones up you're pretty behind | ||
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tanngard
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On January 10 2017 19:56 GTR wrote: well if you build 5 cannons and the zerg just drones up you've effectively lost the game as well But if you dont build those cannons, then clearly zerg just goes and kills you...? I guess you just have to take a chance on either/or. | ||
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On January 10 2017 19:59 GTR wrote: whats january upto these days? | ||
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Piste
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On January 10 2017 19:59 tanngard wrote: But if you dont build those cannons, then clearly zerg just goes and kills you...? I guess you just have to take a chance on either/or. add as moving out with zealots and canceling if dont see anything would be the safest. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
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Miragee
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On January 10 2017 19:59 tanngard wrote: But if you dont build those cannons, then clearly zerg just goes and kills you...? I guess you just have to take a chance on either/or. I think it's better to gamble and don't place cannons instead of placing them and seal your fate. | ||
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BLinD-RawR
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anandworld
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On January 10 2017 20:01 Piste wrote: why is stork making DA vs hydras? god damnit. They weren't going to do anything, DTs are useless against Jaedong who has like 10000000 hatches and fast overlords. | ||
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Grettin
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On January 10 2017 20:02 maze. wrote: Jaedong in beast mode. Fans need to camp infront of the studio to get inside for Flash vs Jaedong in the Ro4. lol ya. waiting four hours outside won't be enough at all | ||
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Alur
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TheFoReveRwaR
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RHoudini
Belgium3627 Posts
Stork should have practiced more. | ||
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Grettin
42381 Posts
cant. fucking. wait. | ||
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phosphorylation
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
Flash vs Jaedong :Q | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
Stork's still fragile mentally. | ||
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United States10154 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
I'm sure it was Maelstrom? Well gg JD, I hope he looks that good vs Terran. | ||
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Hungary181 Posts
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Piste
6175 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:01 anandworld wrote: They weren't going to do anything, DTs are useless against Jaedong who has like 10000000 hatches and fast overlords. DTs are never useless. JD didnt have too many overlords during those battles. DTs could have been way more effective than DA and maelstorm upgrade. | ||
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anandworld
24 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:06 Piste wrote: DTs are never useless. JD didnt have too many overlords during those battles. DTs could have been way more effective than DA and maelstorm upgrade. If Jaedong heard DTs/didn't see the DA, he would have an overlord immediately rallied towards his army. Its not like Stork has corsairs or a glut of dragoons that eliminating overlords was a serious option, the dude barely had army and only carved through Jaedong's army at the end because Jaedong sat on every storm Stork cast. Stork was already toast, the Dark Archon could at least possible catch a whole lot of hydras clumped together. | ||
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Heyoka
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
Not that I was cheering for him tonight, but I wanted better games. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
Poll: Recommend game 3? If you have time (14) yes (9) no (9) 32 total votes Your vote: Recommend game 3? | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:07 Heyoka wrote: at least we got to see a nice male storm always been more partial to female storms | ||
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
Thats dissapointing. And storku die 0-3, he killed his fans right here. | ||
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
Semi will be nice, even though ZvT vs Flash looks hopeless, and 2 Ts one P one Z is pretty great overall. | ||
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Miragee
8505 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:06 anandworld wrote: At least those storms were pretty nice at the end. If Stork wasn't such a chump and lose his zealots against zerglings before +1 was anywhere near completed, it could have been a game. What? The storms were all pretty bad because JD baited them out with his flanks. He got barely hit. In the final engagement he didn't even micro anymore so 2-3 storms hit. By that point it was over anyways. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:07 Heyoka wrote: at least we got to see a nice male storm I believe it just might be raining men. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15937 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:08 _Animus_ wrote: i just come 1 hour later and its over, wtf? Thats dissapointing. same here so sad | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:09 Miragee wrote: What? The storms were all pretty bad because JD baited them out with his flanks. He got barely hit. In the final engagement he didn't even micro anymore so 2-3 storms hit. By that point it was over anyways. I agree. The storms went exactly how jaedong wanted. On tiny harassment groups doing trivial damage. I thought stork would do well because of all his practice games, but it seems his practice partners have a ways to go to equal the JD experience. | ||
TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
HoSic Starleague has like more amazing games every group than we had this ASL as a whole | ||
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Xeln4g4
Italy1209 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:06 Piste wrote: DTs are never useless. JD didnt have too many overlords during those battles. DTs could have been way more effective than DA and maelstorm upgrade. He was hoping for muta switch, mael and storm was the ONLY way to try to recover this game (if he had killed like 8-10 stacked muta). Unfortunately....JD kept pumping pure hydras....but still maelstrom and storm was (almost) only option imho. DT play was too late...right decision from Stork. Basically when u have 3 lings in main ....P psichology collapse. | ||
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Piste
6175 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:11 KingofdaHipHop wrote: so is Flash favored by a lot? or are they more even? I'm excited to finally be watching BW after all these years :D Flash is definetly the favourite, JD is not near his skill level. At least not for now. | ||
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:11 KingofdaHipHop wrote: so is Flash favored by a lot? or are they more even? I'm excited to finally be watching BW after all these years :D Flash is probably as favored against JD as JD was against Stork. | ||
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Penev
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Great to see this full of a studio. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:11 KingofdaHipHop wrote: so is Flash favored by a lot? or are they more even? I'm excited to finally be watching BW after all these years :D I would say Flash is slightly favored. But I also thought this round would go to 3-2 so what do I know I was right about Bisu/Sea and Hero/Best though. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:13 TheNewEra wrote: Flash is probably as favored against JD as JD was against Stork. While that is close to truth, JD will still win it | ||
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tanngard
Norway1325 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:11 TheNewEra wrote: what's wrong with ASL HoSic Starleague has like more amazing games every group than we had this ASL as a whole I agree. I think the nerves has something to do about it. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:11 TheNewEra wrote: what's wrong with ASL HoSic Starleague has like more amazing games every group than we had this ASL as a whole HoSic has the players that've already been eliminated in the ASL, or didn't even make it in. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4127 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:11 KingofdaHipHop wrote: so is Flash favored by a lot? or are they more even? I'm excited to finally be watching BW after all these years :D Yeah I wouldn't expect much from FvJ at this point with JD's ZvT. Unless he trains like 24/7 this week. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:13 Penev wrote: If they could afford it they should have the semis at a bigger venue a s well, Jaedong - Flash will fill it easy. Great to see this full of a studio. Same venue but 5 $ cover to charity? | ||
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LittLeLives
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thezanursic
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The series that we thought would suck the most ended up being the best one, hahaha | ||
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oEkY
Germany648 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:11 TheNewEra wrote: what's wrong with ASL HoSic Starleague has like more amazing games every group than we had this ASL as a whole was thinking exactly the same way after these games... now all thats left to hope is that Best will win the whole tournament  | ||
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bovienchien
Vietnam1152 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:02 maze. wrote: Jaedong in beast mode. Fans need to camp infront of the studio to get inside for Flash vs Jaedong in the Ro4. My opinion, ASL should increase price of Ro4 ticket (Jaedong vs Flash). This is can the final soon. | ||
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:13 Penev wrote: If they could afford it they should have the semis at a bigger venue a s well, Jaedong - Flash will fill it easy. Great to see this full of a studio. You can't just choose a venue once you know the matchups man, that shit has to be planned weeks or months in advance. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1707 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:11 KingofdaHipHop wrote: so is Flash favored by a lot? or are they more even? I'm excited to finally be watching BW after all these years :D I'd say most people will favor Flash just because JD has just come back. Personally I would only give Flash a very small advantage, if any. You just can't tell how much any of them have been practicing and/or improving their game. JD could be practicing like a mad man and/or pretty stoked coz he's finally playing BW again. | ||
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KingofdaHipHop
United States25602 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:16 Heyoka wrote: You can't just choose a venue once you know the matchups man, that shit has to be planned weeks or months in advance. yeah, venues are probably booked it'd be hard to find a place on a week's notice | ||
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juvenal
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On January 10 2017 20:14 thezanursic wrote: Hahahahaha guys, I just realized who would have thought that in terms of series quality Guemchi would put up the best performance. The series that we thought would suck the most ended up being the best one, hahaha courtesy of Flash tbh. | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:14 TT1 wrote: all of JD's wins so far have been from non straight up games, dont think Flash is too worried about him.. So true. That doesnt mean JD doesn't have the skills for straight up games. However, I would have to think Flash is the favorite. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
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Miragee
8505 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:11 TheNewEra wrote: what's wrong with ASL HoSic Starleague has like more amazing games every group than we had this ASL as a whole That depends on the point of view. I thought most Ro8 games were better than the Hosic games because players were much more prepared. In Hosic it was just improvisation that often ended up in weird games. That's ok but I personally don't enjoy the uncontrolled chaos. I like controlled chaos the most but we didn't really get much of that, either. | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:16 Heyoka wrote: You can't just choose a venue once you know the matchups man, that shit has to be planned weeks or months in advance. Flash "Afreeca told me b4 round 8 that they were gonna rent a stadium or somewhere big if it were me vs. JD in finals but, that's not gonna happen now." | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:18 hitthat wrote: Just imagine that someone wanted to find out what we old cronies see in BW and came to watch this game, a pinacle of skill shown by 50% of TBLS. He would though we have lost our minds... Yea they cant all be great epic series Boxer beat Yellow 3-0 with 3, 8 rax scv bunker rushes for example. It wasnt until savior that a zerg completely had that build owned. Sometimes one side just doesn't have what it takes. Stork looked really weak tonight. And this is coming from someone who thought he would put up a great fight. | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:09 juvenal wrote: Funny thing is JD is gonna be murdered by Flash just as brutally. JD will be prepared. I wouldn't be so sure. In TvZ everything is possible, especially considering that TvZ is Flashs weakest matchup right now. | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4127 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:17 SlayerS_BunkiE wrote: I'd say most people will favor Flash just because JD has just come back. Personally I would only give Flash a very small advantage, if any. You just can't tell how much any of them have been practicing and/or improving their game. JD could be practicing like a mad man and/or pretty stoked coz he's finally playing BW again. Have you watched JD's stream? He has been struggling against Terrans like Last and Mind. While both are excellent vZ players, Flash's skill is on another level. That being said I really hope for a good series. | ||
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Miragee
8505 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:14 TT1 wrote: all of JD's wins so far have been from non straight up games, dont think Flash is too worried about him.. His game vs Mong was pretty straight up, wasn't it? And that was the only ZvT where the terran didn't cheese as well. One game isn't an indicator though. I think Flash is decently favoured here. | ||
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vileChAnCe
Canada525 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:14 TT1 wrote: all of JD's wins so far have been from non straight up games, dont think Flash is too worried about him.. uhhh, JD's mechanics are looking pretty fucking good... I don't think hes played many straight up macro games because of decisions made on both sides, when I look at Flash's games he seems mechanically underwhelming. Flash has to put in more work than he is already, the last 'macro' game was basically a joke/gesture, stork was pitiful. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:22 classicyellow83 wrote: At least Stork has a dinner date. At this point, I'm half-expecting Jaedong to show up to that, flex, and steal Stork's date. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:11 TheNewEra wrote: what's wrong with ASL HoSic Starleague has like more amazing games every group than we had this ASL as a whole I definitely need to get started with Hosic a s a p | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:24 duke91 wrote: JD will be prepared. I wouldn't be so sure. In TvZ everything is possible, especially considering that TvZ is Flashs weakest matchup right now. As of January, Flash's strongest matchup is TvZ at 84.6%. JD is at 25% in January. But JD only played 4 ZvTs. | ||
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Miragee
8505 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:26 [[Starlight]] wrote: At this point, I'm half-expecting Jaedong to show up to that, flex, and steal Stork's date. lol | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:22 classicyellow83 wrote: At least Stork has a dinner date. Haha, true. I'm not sure he's gonna be happily feasting tho. Looking forward seeing him back streaming & training though. | ||
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Hildegard
Germany306 Posts
Funny thing is that Jaedong crushed Stork and Flash probably will crush Jaedong while everyone agrees that Flash (despite playing good) is nowhere near his prime. BW needs some new blood to challenge the old players. So when is the round of 4 happening? | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:32 Hildegard wrote: The one thing that makes some players like JD and Flash stand out is that they make their race look unbalanced. For example I think many viewers thought that Terran is a lot stronger than Protoss after watching Flash in the Ro8. Funny thing is that Jaedong crushed Stork and Flash probably will crush Jaedong while everyone agrees that Flash (despite playing good) is nowhere near his prime. BW needs some new blood to challenge the old players. So when is the round of 4 happening? Sunday is Sea v BeSt, then Tuesday comes Flash v JaeDong. | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:28 Xeln4g4 wrote: JD played very good beside this being ZvP (easiest mu in BW in my opinion). looks at flair lol | ||
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TT1
Canada10009 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:46 BigFan wrote: So, Jaedong gave us a macro game, Stork flattered. What's confusing to me is why he moved out before +1 was finished researching. He almost took that fight so imagine how well it would've went into his favour if he had +1. Given, maybe he thought it would've been too late? Any insight on this? that game was pretty much over when JD got 3 lings in and started doing dmg after speed kicked in About his zealot pre +1 timing, Stork probably doesnt have too much experience vs 5 hatch no lair. He wanted to move out and have +1 by the time he got to JD's 3rd (bit greedy but he prolly felt like he needed to do something after the ling harass), JD skipped lair and massed way faster tho (faster hatches, faster production etc.). But yea, losing those zealots was the nail in the coffin.. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
Here's Stork livestreaming going for dinner. Good to know he owns a pretty comfy looking car. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:48 TT1 wrote: that game was pretty much over when JD got 3 lings in and started doing dmg after speed kicked in hmm I guess. I would've liked to see him expand to a third and at least try rather than 2 base and attack with everything to try and break a 4 base zerg. Well, at least Stork seems happy regardless lol: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/koreasbg | ||
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:50 nurle wrote: I was hoping Stork would win just to watch more of Jaedong. Sadly I dont know how much of this was Jaedong being beast mode or Stork just being piss poor. Stork's play was exceptionaly bad today. | ||
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:50 PVJ wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/koreasbg Here's Stork livestreaming going for dinner. Good to know he owns a pretty comfy looking car. What a nice flower wrap | ||
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:46 BigFan wrote: So, Jaedong gave us a macro game, Stork flattered. What's confusing to me is why he moved out before +1 was finished researching. He almost took that fight so imagine how well it would've went into his favour if he had +1. Given, maybe he thought it would've been too late? Any insight on this? Well way more surprising is Jaedong having 2 control groups of zerglings to counter that. If JD would have straight up gone hydra instead, he would have lost that. Stork was greedy in the timing and JD read that perfectly. Stork moving out that early wasn't that big of a mistake, rather JD countering the attack perfectly. | ||
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BigFan
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On January 10 2017 20:50 nurle wrote: I was hoping Stork would win just to watch more of Jaedong. Sadly I dont know how much of this was Jaedong being beast mode or Stork just being piss poor. I think it was kinda of both tbh. Jaedong played safe and reacted well in the first game, played the usual in the second (Stork didn't really scout and played in the dark) then easily overwhelmed in the macro game while Stork opted for 2 base (kinda all-inish considering he put it all into one attack). | ||
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
Well, all in all we can all agree that BW is perfectly balanced: RO4 consists of 1 zerg, 1 protoss, 1 terran and  Flash.Can't wait for LeeSsangRok! | ||
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sharkie
Austria18401 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:28 Xeln4g4 wrote: Not gonna be easy for Flash ... JD played very good beside this being ZvP (easiest mu in BW in my opinion). Basically there was skill difference here, not the same story between Flash and JD, they are from same category: champions. Looking forward to see their games, they will be epic. easiest matchup in BW is TvX. Tanks are so crazy imba | ||
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
This is briliant :D | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
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TaShadan
Germany1969 Posts
I am a little bit confused about Artosis. Now he praises BW a lot, but i can remember him bashing on broodwar while he was casting SC2... | ||
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Miragee
8505 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:50 BigFan wrote: hmm I guess. I would've liked to see him expand to a third and at least try rather than 2 base and attack with everything to try and break a 4 base zerg. Well, at least Stork seems happy regardless lol: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/koreasbg Well, he didn't really have any means to expand, either, without an army. At that point, JD was so far ahead economically that he could have build those zerglings anyways and just deny Stork's 3rd while sitting comfortably on 4 bases and tech up. On January 10 2017 21:16 TaShadan wrote: Good job by JD! I am a little bit confused about Artosis. Now he praises BW a lot, but i can remember him bashing on broodwar while he was casting SC2... If you remember the first couple of years of SC2 he also praised BW a lot back then. I guess his emotional/rational-ratio isn't all that good. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On January 10 2017 21:16 TaShadan wrote: Good job by JD! I am a little bit confused about Artosis. Now he praises BW a lot, but i can remember him bashing on broodwar while he was casting SC2... When did he "bash bw" ? I am pretty sure that never ever happened. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
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Dante08
Singapore4127 Posts
Or maybe he threw the series to have more time for dinner :D | ||
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sharkie
Austria18401 Posts
On January 10 2017 21:23 The_Red_Viper wrote: When did he "bash bw" ? I am pretty sure that never ever happened. I don't know what tashadan means but imo Artosis was bashing BW when he called SC2 the greatest game ever :p | ||
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[[Starlight]]
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The_Red_Viper
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On January 10 2017 21:45 sharkie wrote: I don't know what tashadan means but imo Artosis was bashing BW when he called SC2 the greatest game ever :p Oh yeah that seems like the most likely candidate, would make sense that people here would look at that as bashing | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On January 10 2017 21:52 The_Red_Viper wrote: Oh yeah that seems like the most likely candidate, would make sense that people here would look at that as bashing Yeah, 'cuz Artosis never ever says stupid stuff? Uhh, okay. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
Dude, no. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On January 10 2017 21:54 [[Starlight]] wrote: Yeah, 'cuz Artosis never ever says stupid stuff? Uhh, okay. I like mayonnaise more than ketchup. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On January 10 2017 21:59 The_Red_Viper wrote: I like mayonnaise more than ketchup. Sounds like a personal problem. | ||
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juvenal
2448 Posts
On January 10 2017 21:13 phosphorylation wrote: lol who the hell comes up with that shit rofl keep in mind that Stork is the dinotoss. That picture is a complete masterpiece, Renaissance level shit. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On January 10 2017 21:08 hitthat wrote: Epic.  | ||
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ortseam
996 Posts
Tbh Stork did amazingly well in the tournament, considering the short period he's been back | ||
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thezanursic
5478 Posts
On January 10 2017 21:20 BisuDagger wrote: Anyone who honestly thought Stork would beat JD were in denial, JD had been beating Stork like crazy in their head to head in the last few months | ||
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thezanursic
5478 Posts
On January 10 2017 19:41 GTR wrote: stork just wants to get his date with jiyoo ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/G1bceO8.jpg) The madman, he actually did it, and he is streaming it. He said he will focus on dating if he loses. Shit RIP stork, can't wait how he innevitably gets renewed confidence for ASL3 with a new GF, then just before the Grand Finals he gets dumped and crushed by Flash or maybe a newly returned Fantasy | ||
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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thezanursic
5478 Posts
On January 10 2017 22:51 The_Red_Viper wrote: Streaming it is really weird imo :/ ![[image loading]](http://data.ygosu.fileofcdn.com/upload_files/board_st/472081/5866819ea15cf.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.makeagif.com/media/1-02-2017/dlLIH1.gif) Honestly I'm waiting on JD to make his move. | ||
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outscar
2832 Posts
JvF is happening! Nothing ever can get more excited me as this upcoming match. Hope Flash won't roll over 3-0 and JD got some plans. | ||
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_Animus_
Bulgaria1064 Posts
In game 1 Stork microing his zealots really bad and losing them without doing any damage. After the first attempt and lings runing into his base he shouldve stayed close to jaedongs base and send 2 zealots to block ramp and dont attack or gather more zealots and attack, simply because he had so many probes compared to jaedongs drones, so continuing the game was actually getting him ahead, he was super nervious and did the opposite to end things faster resulting in his own defeat. Game 2 is another low level stomp, that is sad to watch. Stork not scouting at all if jaedong going to hydra bust him or not and that is basic thing for pvz match up... Not gonna watch game 3, stork just came on stage to throw games and peoples expectaions to trash. Guess il not root for him next time. | ||
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ThreeActPlay
United States249 Posts
Series was disappointing. :\ The first and third games were exceptionally bad -- hope Stork's micro with his date is better than the micro he showed in the games. edit: The madman is STILL streaming with his qt date from his car wth, almost 18k viewers! | ||
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ThreeActPlay
United States249 Posts
On January 10 2017 22:55 thezanursic wrote: Honestly I'm waiting on JD to make his move. The basement room looks like a kill room from a horror movie, lmao. Love that Flash and Bisu were up to no good in there. | ||
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classicyellow83
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On January 10 2017 23:38 classicyellow83 wrote: JD just expained all 3 games. It was an eye opener. translation? | ||
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6850 Posts
On January 10 2017 20:33 PVJ wrote: Sunday is Sea v BeSt, then Tuesday comes Flash v JaeDong. Why can't that be reversed? Dammit. Couldn't watch the game but snuck a quick look in to see how it was going (0-2 at that point). Gratz to Jaedong. | ||
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B-royal
Belgium1330 Posts
On January 10 2017 19:26 FlaShFTW wrote: it was overpool but same deal. it was even more over when jaedong made 6 lings then made extra lings after that blind. No, it was 9 pool. | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky. That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills" He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game. "I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in." Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game. JD was in Stork's head entire series. JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5. JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind." Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4723 Posts
Jaedongs control looked really good today. If he can create some fancy/confusing scenarios in those games, he can beat Flash. In Standard tvz Flashs greatness together with the Terran advantage in the matchup, Flash cannot be beaten. JD is very good in getting into people's heads though. | ||
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United States17423 Posts
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Penev
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On January 10 2017 20:16 Heyoka wrote: You can't just choose a venue once you know the matchups man, that shit has to be planned weeks or months in advance. I know, I am just happy to see how popular these guys still are Edit: I shouldn't be surprised though, the studio was this packed as well even when these guys were playing their SC2 matches | ||
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Miragee
8505 Posts
On January 11 2017 00:36 classicyellow83 wrote: Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky. That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills" He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game. "I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in." Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game. JD was in Stork's head entire series. JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5. JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind." Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does. Thanks for the translation, that was a great read! | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
On January 11 2017 00:36 classicyellow83 wrote: Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky. That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills" He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game. "I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in." Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game. JD was in Stork's head entire series. JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5. JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind." Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does. I always wonder how much we don't know. From the audience seat the series looked so one-sided that ppl started talking about how bad Stork's PvZ is whatever. | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
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Lambertus
South Africa975 Posts
On January 11 2017 00:36 classicyellow83 wrote: Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky. That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills" He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game. "I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in." Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game. JD was in Stork's head entire series. JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5. JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind." Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does. Thanks for that! | ||
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Miragee
8505 Posts
On January 11 2017 02:04 letian wrote: I always wonder how much we don't know. From the audience seat the series looked so one-sided that ppl started talking about how bad Stork's PvZ is whatever. We probably miss a lot of stuff. That's why it's great to have player interviews after the game. Even better would be a good analytical caster that plays/played at a high level and has a lot of in-depth knowledge (no offense to the casters). Some people might remember when Idra casted some games in some SC2 cup. You can think about him what you want but the cast was fucking great. He explained so many small timings/details and decisions that were made off of that it really enhanced (my) enjoyment watching the games immensely. | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On January 11 2017 02:14 Miragee wrote: We probably miss a lot of stuff. That's why it's great to have player interviews after the game. Even better would be a good analytical caster that plays/played at a high level and has a lot of in-depth knowledge (no offense to the casters). Some people might remember when Idra casted some games in some SC2 cup. You can think about him what you want but the cast was fucking great. He explained so many small timings/details and decisions that were made off of that it really enhanced (my) enjoyment watching the games immensely. If you want small details. Zeus is your man. He is fucking amazing at analyzing games and explaining in ways that everyone can understand. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On January 11 2017 00:36 classicyellow83 wrote: Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky. That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills" He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game. "I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in." Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game. JD was in Stork's head entire series. JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5. JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind." Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does. thanks for this, giving a lot of much needed background. Interesting to see how Jaedong manipulated the results by going against his usual style in their games. Maybe Stork should've tried to do the same in all the games? | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
Even in the first game he decided to go 9 pool after his initial drones started mining. | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
Flash: "Jaedong's units have special kind of force." | ||
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classicyellow83
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
Jaedong baby!!! <3 | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
On January 10 2017 22:55 thezanursic wrote: Honestly I'm waiting on JD to make his move. I need to see that video :O | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On January 11 2017 00:36 classicyellow83 wrote: Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky. That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills" He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game. "I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in." Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game. JD was in Stork's head entire series. JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5. JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind." Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does. Thanks for the translation. It really makes perfect sense. JD mindfucking an already low confidence Stork leads to a series like that. He just outplayed him. Stork did a damn good job, but I don't think he had a chance to beat JD today. Another day perhaps Stork! Keep fighting! :D | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On January 11 2017 02:14 Miragee wrote: We probably miss a lot of stuff. That's why it's great to have player interviews after the game. Even better would be a good analytical caster that plays/played at a high level and has a lot of in-depth knowledge (no offense to the casters). Some people might remember when Idra casted some games in some SC2 cup. You can think about him what you want but the cast was fucking great. He explained so many small timings/details and decisions that were made off of that it really enhanced (my) enjoyment watching the games immensely. Flash analyzed his games and it really showed how much the casters missed and how wrong they were sometimes (especially about who's ahead in certain points). They should really hire Zeus for ASL. Zeus was on point about basically everything. | ||
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
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duke91
Germany1458 Posts
On January 11 2017 02:16 classicyellow83 wrote: If you want small details. Zeus is your man. He is fucking amazing at analyzing games and explaining in ways that everyone can understand. Is this why some streamers get more viewers than the official ASL stream itself? Because those progamers analyze the shit out of games? | ||
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Piratezerg
54 Posts
On January 11 2017 00:36 classicyellow83 wrote: Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky. That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills" He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game. "I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in." Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game. JD was in Stork's head entire series. JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5. JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind." Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does. Thanks for the translation. It's amazing the depth that the players see into the game. I like tastosis but I wish we got more live insights like this. I suck and even I'm annoyed when they don't say the build orders and the ramifications of them. Does Zeus stream commentary live? Is it in the sidebar? I will absolutely watch that. Jaedong's star sense and decision making were really on today. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On January 11 2017 04:00 Piratezerg wrote: Thanks for the translation. It's amazing the depth that the players see into the game. I like tastosis but I wish we got more live insights like this. I suck and even I'm annoyed when they don't say the build orders and the ramifications of them. Does Zeus stream commentary live? Is it in the sidebar? I will absolutely watch that. Jaedong's star sense and decision making were really on today. Zeus is featured on TL so yes, his stream is on the side line and it is live from what I've seen before. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On January 11 2017 04:01 BigFan wrote: Zeus is featured on TL so yes, his stream is on the side line and it is live from what I've seen before. It's in English?? | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On January 11 2017 03:58 duke91 wrote: Is this why some streamers get more viewers than the official ASL stream itself? Because those progamers analyze the shit out of games? Not entirely. Terror sucks at analyzing games. Most of the gamers are better than the casters. Zeus especially. Flash vs Movie really showed it. No other players were able really explain what was going on. But, Zeus was on point about everything. Flash doesn't do much analyzing but, when he does, it's mind blowing. Light and Mind are also really good. Jaedong is really good at explaining psyches of each player. I remeber jaedong was observing flash vs effort and the game was short and seemed like there wasn't much to it. But, JD explained how much of a high level play that was. JD:"Only People who are elite at bw would understand how high level that game was" | ||
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BigFan
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no lol. It's in KR. If it was in english, I would've skipped official casts XD On January 11 2017 04:10 classicyellow83 wrote: Not entirely. Terror sucks at analyzing games. Most of the gamers are better than the casters. Zeus especially. Flash vs Movie really showed it. No other players were able really explain what was going on. But, Zeus was on point about everything. Flash doesn't do much analyzing but, when he does, it's mind blowing. Light and Mind are also really good. Jaedong is really good at explaining psyches of each player. I remeber jaedong was observing flash vs effort and the game was short and seemed like there wasn't much to it. But, JD explained how much of a high level play that was. JD:"Only People who are elite at bw would understand how high level that game was" What was his explanation for that game btw, if you still remember. Which game was he referring to as well? Would like to take a look. | ||
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France4120 Posts
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On January 11 2017 04:12 BigFan wrote: no lol. It's in KR. If it was in english, I would've skipped official casts XD What was his explanation for that game btw, if you still remember. Which game was he referring to as well? Would like to take a look. Thought so. And it's funny (or maybe I'm envious), ppl keep pimpin' Zeus, when nearly all of us do not speak KR. Do any Korean BW progamers at all speak English, I wonder. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On January 11 2017 04:12 RouaF wrote: At least we learned that the "Red" Archon casts "Maelstorm" :D Ah, another great Tastosis moment. How badly do those guys wish they were casting SC2 instead? Sigh. | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On January 11 2017 04:12 BigFan wrote: no lol. It's in KR. If it was in english, I would've skipped official casts XD What was his explanation for that game btw, if you still remember. Which game was he referring to as well? Would like to take a look. Flash vs Movie on Benzene in round 16. Can't explain the game in few sentences. To be accurate, it would have to be in several paragraphs and I would have to rewatch the VOD to do it precisely. Sorry. Flash vs Effot in Eye of the Storm. it was played last month. Effort used Lurkers to break Flash's nat and flash was in a unwinnerable situation being behind in tech, economy, and population. Flash used really good unit movements and tricked effort and won the game. JD kept on saying "Wow" the whole time. Jaedong : "That was next level mind game Flash just played" | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10698 Posts
On January 11 2017 04:17 [[Starlight]] wrote: Ah, another great Tastosis moment. How badly do those guys wish they were casting SC2 instead? Sigh. sarcasm? | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On January 11 2017 04:17 [[Starlight]] wrote: Ah, another great Tastosis moment. How badly do those guys wish they were casting SC2 instead? Sigh. Honestly if you've seen them cast SC2 you'd know they wasn't, especially Tasteless. Tasteless sounds asleep casting SC2, he actually seems to love BW still. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
On January 11 2017 04:17 [[Starlight]] wrote: Ah, another great Tastosis moment. How badly do those guys wish they were casting SC2 instead? Sigh. I find it funny. It will get better if they keep casting bw, I still like their casting style, artosis' rant about our childhood games was hilarious. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18401 Posts
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On January 11 2017 04:29 Qikz wrote: Honestly if you've seen them cast SC2 you'd know they wasn't, especially Tasteless. Tasteless sounds asleep casting SC2, he actually seems to love BW still. Eh? They have a fine energy level casting SC2. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On January 11 2017 04:18 classicyellow83 wrote: Flash vs Movie on Benzene in round 16. Can't explain the game in few sentences. To be accurate, it would have to be in several paragraphs and I would have to rewatch the VOD to do it precisely. Sorry. Flash vs Effot in Eye of the Storm. it was played last month. Effort used Lurkers to break Flash's nat and flash was in a unwinnerable situation being behind in tech, economy, and population. Flash used really good unit movements and tricked effort and won the game. JD kept on saying "Wow" the whole time. Jaedong : "That was next level mind game Flash just played" ya, no worries about the Movie game, that's fine. I was more interested in the Effort one. Do you remember day it was played on or anything else so that I can try to find vod? Want to see this next level mind game for myself lol. | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On January 11 2017 04:47 BigFan wrote: ya, no worries about the Movie game, that's fine. I was more interested in the Effort one. Do you remember day it was played on or anything else so that I can try to find vod? Want to see this next level mind game for myself lol. I have no idea on which day. It was a while ago. Sorry. | ||
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classicyellow83
United States2393 Posts
On January 11 2017 04:55 Polemarch wrote: Just signed in to thank classicyellow -- the insights and tidbits you post add so much depth and appreciation for me and I'm sure many other lurkers! I actually enjoy doing this. >.< | ||
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tanngard
Norway1325 Posts
And we are happy you are enjoying it ^_^ Honestly it is very interesting for us to understand more of the culture of BW in Korea and you are helping us in that regard. | ||
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Dental Floss
United States1015 Posts
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DarkNetHunter
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On January 10 2017 21:08 hitthat wrote: rofl Thanks for the translations and summaries classicyellow! I just caught the vods now and I was definitely interested in how the death of the probe just as JDs drones hatched in Game2 affected his build choices. Flash vs JD might turn into really lopsided games, but you'll know they've done some crazy mindgaming no matter what. Personally I see the following semis-finals happening: BeSt>Sea and Flash>JD leading to BeSt>Flash or Sea>BeSt and JD>Flash BeSt < JD or Sea>BeSt and Flash> JD Sea << Flash last but not least! Sea > BeSt and JD > Flash Sea > JD! | ||
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Entaro[AoV]
United States184 Posts
Flash vs Movie on Benzene in round 16. Can't explain the game in few sentences. To be accurate, it would have to be in several paragraphs and I would have to rewatch the VOD to do it precisely. Sorry. Flash vs Effot in Eye of the Storm. it was played last month. Effort used Lurkers to break Flash's nat and flash was in a unwinnerable situation being behind in tech, economy, and population. Flash used really good unit movements and tricked effort and won the game. JD kept on saying "Wow" the whole time. Jaedong : "That was next level mind game Flash just played" Do you have a link to that game? | ||
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Miragee
8505 Posts
On January 11 2017 02:16 classicyellow83 wrote: If you want small details. Zeus is your man. He is fucking amazing at analyzing games and explaining in ways that everyone can understand. Is he doing it in english? I can't speak korean unfortunately. On January 11 2017 02:32 nimdil wrote: It looked very one side - until the long fight in game 3. Stork was so behind yet he almost had enough to push through. Jaedong danced around Stork masterfully and made him look silly but at that moment Stork has shown he was outplayed, not outclassed. He didn't almost have enough. He didn't even reach the sunkens. Being obliterated before the sunken line is a clear sign of protoss not having enough army at all. A push like this should usually deal a bit of damage and the protoss should be able to pull his army back. | ||
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Varbind
Canada113 Posts
I had to stop myself from jumping all over your original post, made myself wait to see if it was sarcasm, glad it was | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
Also thanks for those translations! | ||
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prosatan
Romania8020 Posts
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ThreeActPlay
United States249 Posts
On January 11 2017 05:49 Miragee wrote: Is he doing it in english? I can't speak korean unfortunately. He didn't almost have enough. He didn't even reach the sunkens. Being obliterated before the sunken line is a clear sign of protoss not having enough army at all. A push like this should usually deal a bit of damage and the protoss should be able to pull his army back. The re-macro of zerglings and hydras were coming from the back too -- he was going to get crunched so badly even if he had gotten to the sunkens. | ||
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Miragee
8505 Posts
On January 11 2017 06:23 ThreeActPlay wrote: The re-macro of zerglings and hydras were coming from the back too -- he was going to get crunched so badly even if he had gotten to the sunkens. Yeah, that was my point. It shows how far away Stork was from actually doing any dmg. | ||
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Exosus
5 Posts
On January 11 2017 06:49 Miragee wrote: Yeah, that was my point. It shows how far away Stork was from actually doing any dmg. If only Stork had like one more control group of zealots.. Gave me chills to think that Jaedong wasnt bantering in the pregame interview and what he said about stork is his actual opinion. Who could blame him after this series though It looked as if he outclassed Stork so hard.. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10154 Posts
On January 11 2017 05:36 DarkNetHunter wrote: rofl Thanks for the translations and summaries classicyellow! I just caught the vods now and I was definitely interested in how the death of the probe just as JDs drones hatched in Game2 affected his build choices. Flash vs JD might turn into really lopsided games, but you'll know they've done some crazy mindgaming no matter what. Personally I see the following semis-finals happening: BeSt>Sea and Flash>JD leading to BeSt>Flash or Sea>BeSt and JD>Flash BeSt < JD or Sea>BeSt and Flash> JD Sea << Flash last but not least! Sea > BeSt and JD > Flash Sea > JD! lol Best has no chance against flash | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
On January 11 2017 00:36 classicyellow83 wrote: Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky. That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills" "Chills", thats what we call star sense nowadays? | ||
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LRM)TechnicS
Bulgaria1565 Posts
Or it's just all part of that FvJ plot to get them playing on a stage asap. Anyway salsal to jaedong and gl to him in the semis as he will most probably need it. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13005 Posts
Having said that, I'll still cheer for the technicolor sheep. | ||
Chosi
Germany1302 Posts
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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Miragee
8505 Posts
On January 11 2017 08:53 sixfour wrote: Thought I'd watch this evening. Was browsing Youtube at lunch, saw that the video was there, thought I'd try and watch the first game or two if it didn't buffer like shit Holy fuck Yeah, their youtube VoDs are all broken for some reason. Just watch the afreeca vods. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On January 11 2017 08:36 RowdierBob wrote: I think flash will crush JD. Flash won't make scouting mistakes like stork and his tvz is too good. Watching JD get pumped by Last on his stream doesn't inspire confidence either (I get a big tourney game will be much different but flash seems more fundamentally solid at the MU). Having said that, I'll still cheer for the technicolor sheep. Unfortunately agree, but hopefully my ultimate nerd crush can somehow bring him down haha. | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
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Terrorbladder
2718 Posts
On January 11 2017 04:18 classicyellow83 wrote: what was that Flash vs Effort game?Flash vs Movie on Benzene in round 16. Can't explain the game in few sentences. To be accurate, it would have to be in several paragraphs and I would have to rewatch the VOD to do it precisely. Sorry. Flash vs Effot in Eye of the Storm. it was played last month. Effort used Lurkers to break Flash's nat and flash was in a unwinnerable situation being behind in tech, economy, and population. Flash used really good unit movements and tricked effort and won the game. JD kept on saying "Wow" the whole time. Jaedong : "That was next level mind game Flash just played" | ||
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dekibeki
Australia34 Posts
On January 11 2017 08:40 Chosi wrote: Did anyone catch where you can donate for ASL? They mentioned that you can somehow but I can't find where.. They said they are planning on doing it, but the system isn't up yet. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
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Barneyk
Sweden305 Posts
Stork didn't play very well, but he didn't play nowhere near as bad as JD made it look. One thing that bothers me though that I see a lot is when you have 3-4 lings in your main, why not build 1 cannon near your mineral line to protect the probes? You want a cannon in your main anyway later for scourge and muta deflection and it doesn't set your back that much I would think. I know at the elite level every little bit count and a cannon in your main means less army for you and you should be able to micro your zealot to keep the lings from doing any damage but it just seems a bit stubborn to me. | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
He has had less exposure to BW in 2016 than any ASL Ro24 (28 actual) player. And he made top 8. That's a good sign. That's a great sign. Are you kidding? Of 28 players, the player with THE LEAST PRACTICE IN THE PAST 4+ YEARS, advanced deeper than 20 of them, and only 4 players made it further than him. Jaedong said before the game that Stork needs more practice, and why not take him at his word? JD's extra months paid off. Even in December JD looked much more questionable than this month. But JD has 6+ months of extra BW. It's a matter of investment. Lessons NOT to take: 1) He doesn't need practice -Quite the opposite. While even in Kespa days he sometimes was known for less then stellar dedication at times (forgive me if I'm dead wrong, but the WoW practice was well known here), the top 4 have more practice and that's a big reason why they advanced further than him. 2)It's hopeless -It's the other way around, again. To reiterate, he was better than 20, only 4 did better than him. As time goes on, the months Stork is behind will narrow. Stork has fractions of the practice now of any of the top 28. As 2017 advances, and beyond, fractions become just a few percent. He has more hope than almost any of them based on this alone. I'd love to get a message to Stork and give him my encouragement. He got outplayed, hard, but he has so much potential even as one of the oldest players left in BW. I can't wait to see him next ASL, if he'll play. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11047 Posts
Stork did look rusty from what little I saw earlier in the tournament. Also would have been nicer if he could have gotten a PvT. Dino fanboys live on though! | ||
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United States6599 Posts
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LittLeLives
United States692 Posts
On January 11 2017 11:55 Crisium wrote: I just worry Stork got the wrong idea. He has had less exposure to BW in 2016 than any ASL Ro24 (28 actual) player. And he made top 8. That's a good sign. That's a great sign. Are you kidding? Of 28 players, the player with THE LEAST PRACTICE IN THE PAST 4+ YEARS, advanced deeper than 20 of them, and only 4 players made it further than him. Jaedong said before the game that Stork needs more practice, and why not take him at his word? JD's extra months paid off. Even in December JD looked much more questionable than this month. But JD has 6+ months of extra BW. It's a matter of investment. Lessons NOT to take: 1) He doesn't need practice -Quite the opposite. While even in Kespa days he sometimes was known for less then stellar dedication at times (forgive me if I'm dead wrong, but the WoW practice was well known here), the top 4 have more practice and that's a big reason why they advanced further than him. 2)It's hopeless -It's the other way around, again. To reiterate, he was better than 20, only 4 did better than him. As time goes on, the months Stork is behind will narrow. Stork has fractions of the practice now of any of the top 28. As 2017 advances, and beyond, fractions become just a few percent. He has more hope than almost any of them based on this alone. I'd love to get a message to Stork and give him my encouragement. He got outplayed, hard, but he has so much potential even as one of the oldest players left in BW. I can't wait to see him next ASL, if he'll play. Is this a response to Stork saying on stream that he thinks he's at his peak? I feel like the comments he's been making recently indicate he's just not up for trying so hard to be the best at BW as much as just being a successful BJ. He probably won't leave the scene, but it seems he wants to find some other way to stay relevant and make a living. I can't blame him, though of course I hope it's just his way of expressing his disappointment about his recent performance; I think he's even more of a defeatist than Guemchi and undermines what he can do. I'd love to see him take more golds before he goes away -- I think he's good for another play-my-heart-out run. edit: Also can someone clarify all the details about the crowdfunding? I think it's shady to announce it so late in the tournament, especially if it affects earnings/prize pool. | ||
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
On January 11 2017 13:52 LittLeLives wrote: Is this a response to Stork saying on stream that he thinks he's at his peak? I feel like the comments he's been making recently indicate he's just not up for trying so hard to be the best at BW as much as just being a successful BJ. He probably won't leave the scene, but it seems he wants to find some other way to stay relevant and make a living. I can't blame him, though of course I hope it's just his way of expressing his disappointment about his recent performance; I think he's even more of a defeatist than Guemchi and undermines what he can do. I'd love to see him take more golds before he goes away -- I think he's good for another play-my-heart-out run. edit: Also can someone clarify all the details about the crowdfunding? I think it's shady to announce it so late in the tournament, especially if it affects earnings/prize pool. He will maintain his popularity with his love storyline and I think he will eventually become like NaDa - playing UMSes with fans. | ||
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itsdaniel
Austria334 Posts
On January 11 2017 11:55 Crisium wrote: I just worry Stork got the wrong idea. He has had less exposure to BW in 2016 than any ASL Ro24 (28 actual) player. And he made top 8. That's a good sign. That's a great sign. Are you kidding? Of 28 players, the player with THE LEAST PRACTICE IN THE PAST 4+ YEARS, advanced deeper than 20 of them, and only 4 players made it further than him. Jaedong said before the game that Stork needs more practice, and why not take him at his word? JD's extra months paid off. Even in December JD looked much more questionable than this month. But JD has 6+ months of extra BW. It's a matter of investment. Lessons NOT to take: 1) He doesn't need practice -Quite the opposite. While even in Kespa days he sometimes was known for less then stellar dedication at times (forgive me if I'm dead wrong, but the WoW practice was well known here), the top 4 have more practice and that's a big reason why they advanced further than him. 2)It's hopeless -It's the other way around, again. To reiterate, he was better than 20, only 4 did better than him. As time goes on, the months Stork is behind will narrow. Stork has fractions of the practice now of any of the top 28. As 2017 advances, and beyond, fractions become just a few percent. He has more hope than almost any of them based on this alone. I'd love to get a message to Stork and give him my encouragement. He got outplayed, hard, but he has so much potential even as one of the oldest players left in BW. I can't wait to see him next ASL, if he'll play. Yes I am sad...but truth has been told... | ||
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Epithet
United States840 Posts
Man I love BW. I hope JD wins vs Flash | ||
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L1ghtning
Sweden353 Posts
On January 11 2017 08:36 RowdierBob wrote: I think flash will crush JD. Flash won't make scouting mistakes like stork and his tvz is too good. Watching JD get pumped by Last on his stream doesn't inspire confidence either (I get a big tourney game will be much different but flash seems more fundamentally solid at the MU). Having said that, I'll still cheer for the technicolor sheep. When did this happen? JD just returned. His play will keep getting better and better. Unless this occured within 2-3 weeks, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Flash is obviously the huge favorite regardless. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10154 Posts
On January 11 2017 11:25 Barneyk wrote: I really think people aren't giving JD enough credit for how well he played and how he played mind tricks on Stork and had perfect strategy to counter Stork at every turn. Stork didn't play very well, but he didn't play nowhere near as bad as JD made it look. One thing that bothers me though that I see a lot is when you have 3-4 lings in your main, why not build 1 cannon near your mineral line to protect the probes? You want a cannon in your main anyway later for scourge and muta deflection and it doesn't set your back that much I would think. I know at the elite level every little bit count and a cannon in your main means less army for you and you should be able to micro your zealot to keep the lings from doing any damage but it just seems a bit stubborn to me. The reason specifically pros dont like getting a cannon in their main base is because: 1) they're generally confident enough in their micro to keep their probes alive to stall for mismicros from the zerg to allow zealots and probes to kill them off. 2) The early game cannon is 150 minerals. That's 3 probes, or a probe and a zealot. In the early game, it's quite a bit of money which is sorely lost. The cannon can be built later where losing 150 minerals to defend your main from zerg air won't be noticeable but in the early game, 150 minerals is very noticeable. It's like saying why doesnt a zerg just build a preemptive sunken/spore in his main in the early game, or for terran to build a preemptive bunker in their main. Because the money is too important spent on other things. | ||
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On January 11 2017 13:52 LittLeLives wrote: Is this a response to Stork saying on stream that he thinks he's at his peak? I feel like the comments he's been making recently indicate he's just not up for trying so hard to be the best at BW as much as just being a successful BJ. He probably won't leave the scene, but it seems he wants to find some other way to stay relevant and make a living. I can't blame him, though of course I hope it's just his way of expressing his disappointment about his recent performance; I think he's even more of a defeatist than Guemchi and undermines what he can do. I'd love to see him take more golds before he goes away -- I think he's good for another play-my-heart-out run. edit: Also can someone clarify all the details about the crowdfunding? I think it's shady to announce it so late in the tournament, especially if it affects earnings/prize pool. AFAIK the crowdfunding is only for the finals venue. Nothing to do with earnings. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 11 2017 19:29 TheNewEra wrote: AFAIK the crowdfunding is only for the finals venue. Nothing to do with earnings. They said half of it goes to the prizepool, the other half is used for the venue | ||
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thezanursic
5478 Posts
I'd give a limb to see a proper 3-2 JvF with a few long macro games | ||
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letian
Germany4221 Posts
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nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
On January 11 2017 05:49 Miragee wrote: He didn't almost have enough. He didn't even reach the sunkens. Being obliterated before the sunken line is a clear sign of protoss not having enough army at all. A push like this should usually deal a bit of damage and the protoss should be able to pull his army back. Maybe I misexpressed: he get way farer then I thought possible at this point | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On January 11 2017 05:56 Varbind wrote: I had to stop myself from jumping all over your original post, made myself wait to see if it was sarcasm, glad it was Dude chill, I make fun of Artosis all the time when he says goofy stuff. And I'm certainly not the only one who does (not that it'd stop me if I were the only one).  For example, a whole bunch of ppl jumped down his throat when he dissed Leta not long ago, IIRC. And the 'Rapidosis' casts were, ahem, not great, don't care what anyone says. Still, I do check his cast out (i.e. jump away from BisuDagger/FlashFTW) for the live interviews after the matches, since they can translate. And Tasteless is a very good partner for him, the right partner anyway. But still, sigh. I miss Sayle and Elegant. | ||
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On January 11 2017 19:46 The_Red_Viper wrote: They said half of it goes to the prizepool, the other half is used for the venue Sorry didn't want to give misinformation. My bad. Have no clue then | ||
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sabas123
Netherlands3122 Posts
It would be great to see Sayle and Elegant cast again. | ||
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Vuk_91
Serbia1690 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
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j2choe
Canada243 Posts
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Alejandrisha
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Peeano
Netherlands4988 Posts
On January 12 2017 04:26 Alejandrisha wrote: am i in the minority when i say i'd like a tasteless solo cast once in a while?? Naw, I'd actually give that a try. I can't stand Tastosis, but for getting the interviews they are great. Averatec titty shamboo GomTV classic solo Tasteless was quite enjoyable. | ||
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neobowman
Canada3324 Posts
On January 12 2017 04:01 Alejandrisha wrote: in game 2 did jd get hydra range? I'm not sure. I found it odd too that he got speed first. I'm guessing he didn't since it was much less of a "slow" bust and more of a "rush in snipe the cannons fast" bust. Range is generally just used to outrange the cannons to kill the gateway and forge. | ||
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Miragee
8505 Posts
On January 12 2017 03:51 Vuk_91 wrote: Sayle is the best bw commentator of all time by a mile. Him coming back would have been amazing! No he wasn't. | ||
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L1ghtning
Sweden353 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
Love his casting! | ||
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Vuk_91
Serbia1690 Posts
Name one who was/is better? | ||
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Miragee
8505 Posts
Err tons, before Sayle was even a thing. I forgot most of them because I only watched casted replays of them on youtube. I would put Kiante above in for the sake of naming one. Don't get me wrong, I love Sayle's casting and would like to have him back. I just don't think he was the best ever at all. | ||
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ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1685 Posts
On January 11 2017 22:52 [[Starlight]] wrote: Dude chill, I make fun of Artosis all the time when he says goofy stuff. And I'm certainly not the only one who does (not that it'd stop me if I were the only one). For example, a whole bunch of ppl jumped down his throat when he dissed Leta not long ago, IIRC. And the 'Rapidosis' casts were, ahem, not great, don't care what anyone says. Still, I do check his cast out (i.e. jump away from BisuDagger/FlashFTW) for the live interviews after the matches, since they can translate. And Tasteless is a very good partner for him, the right partner anyway. But still, sigh. I miss Sayle and Elegant. I don't know about Sayle, but EleGant misses you too ^^ I'm definitely considering getting a cast together for something soon. These games are just so much fun to watch, and there is so much to say about pretty much every one of them. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On January 12 2017 09:01 ImbaTosS wrote: I don't know about Sayle, but EleGant misses you too ^^ I'm definitely considering getting a cast together for something soon. These games are just so much fun to watch, and there is so much to say about pretty much every one of them. Any chance of it being a dual cast with you and Sayle? You guys worked VERY well together. | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On January 12 2017 05:01 neobowman wrote: I'm not sure. I found it odd too that he got speed first. I'm guessing he didn't since it was much less of a "slow" bust and more of a "rush in snipe the cannons fast" bust. Range is generally just used to outrange the cannons to kill the gateway and forge. yea hydra speed is easy to spot but when he killed the two cannons it looked like he was getting some extra extra pow pow so i was wondering if this was common in a x hatch hydra bust | ||
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On January 12 2017 04:59 Peeano wrote: Naw, I'd actually give that a try. I can't stand Tastosis, but for getting the interviews they are great. Averatec titty shamboo GomTV classic solo Tasteless was quite enjoyable. in many ways I agree and in many ways I disagree and in many ways I am confused. go tasteless! edit: upon posting i realized that i should have condensed this to one post. and now here we are. O_O | ||
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RoomOfMush
1296 Posts
On January 12 2017 03:51 Vuk_91 wrote: Sayle is the best bw commentator of all time by a mile. Him coming back would have been amazing! +1 There is no equal. Tastosis are really good at generating hype. They always sound really hyped up. But there is so little "meat" behind that hype. It becomes painfully obvious that they dont actually know much of the current state of the game. Sayle always seemed like he actually knew what he was talking about and when he didnt he had a chat full of players who would fill him in. He didnt pretend to know everything; he was eager to learn together with the viewers as the games unfolded. Really great casts. On January 12 2017 08:19 Miragee wrote: Err tons, before Sayle was even a thing. I forgot most of them because I only watched casted replays of them on youtube. I would put Kiante above in for the sake of naming one. Don't get me wrong, I love Sayle's casting and would like to have him back. I just don't think he was the best ever at all. You clearly have no idea and your opinion will rightfully be ignored. Have a nice day. | ||
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ThreeActPlay
United States249 Posts
On January 13 2017 08:48 usopsama wrote: Out of Bisu, Jaedong, Flash and Stork, the fact that Stork got a date with jiyoo, I would say he is the true winner. It was a pretty kickass consolation prize. I'm happy that both Jaedong and Stork got what they wanted! | ||
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Vuk_91
Serbia1690 Posts
On January 13 2017 08:59 RoomOfMush wrote: +1 There is no equal. Tastosis are really good at generating hype. They always sound really hyped up. But there is so little "meat" behind that hype. It becomes painfully obvious that they dont actually know much of the current state of the game. Sayle always seemed like he actually knew what he was talking about and when he didnt he had a chat full of players who would fill him in. He didnt pretend to know everything; he was eager to learn together with the viewers as the games unfolded. Really great casts. Exactly! The depth of his knowledge was simply unparalleled, I don't care what anyone says... He knew exactly what it meant when terran got an early armory, he'd say that it's for a (for example) 11:30 push, and he was right almost all the time. What's also forgotten is that he was casting as a beast during the last few seasons of proleague, it was particularly ridiculous during the winners league, he was casting almost every single pro game... | ||
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Miragee
8505 Posts
On January 13 2017 08:59 RoomOfMush wrote: +1 There is no equal. Tastosis are really good at generating hype. They always sound really hyped up. But there is so little "meat" behind that hype. It becomes painfully obvious that they dont actually know much of the current state of the game. Sayle always seemed like he actually knew what he was talking about and when he didnt he had a chat full of players who would fill him in. He didnt pretend to know everything; he was eager to learn together with the viewers as the games unfolded. Really great casts. You clearly have no idea and your opinion will rightfully be ignored. Have a nice day. I like how you are saying "Sayle always seemed like he actually knew what he was talking about" but then proceed and say "He didnt pretend to know everything". As I said, I liked his casting for the exact same reasons you did. However, there were better casters than him but those did not cast live events for the most part and were mostly gone when Sayle was very active. Sayle was C on ICCup, of course he wouldn't know every detail some A-player might know. That doesn't make him a bad caster. I just spoke out against praising him as the best caster ever, which is indeed quite short-sighted in my opinion. | ||
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Vuk_91
Serbia1690 Posts
On January 13 2017 19:01 Miragee wrote: I like how you are saying "Sayle always seemed like he actually knew what he was talking about" but then proceed and say "He didnt pretend to know everything". As I said, I liked his casting for the exact same reasons you did. However, there were better casters than him but those did not cast live events for the most part and were mostly gone when Sayle was very active. Sayle was C on ICCup, of course he wouldn't know every detail some A-player might know. That doesn't make him a bad caster. I just spoke out against praising him as the best caster ever, which is indeed quite short-sighted in my opinion. Btw you still haven't actually named one that is better than Sayle, other then saying "I will just say Kiante for the sake of naming one". And those others were so amazing that you actually forgotten their names? Interesting. | ||
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Miragee
8505 Posts
On January 13 2017 19:31 Vuk_91 wrote: Btw you still haven't actually named one that is better than Sayle, other then saying "I will just say Kiante for the sake of naming one". And those others were so amazing that you actually forgotten their names? Interesting. Have I ever said they were "amazing"? I rarely can remember names, especially when it's close to 10 years ago and I was just watching random VoDs on youtube. The major reasons I can remember Sayle's name is because he was much more recent as well as being much more prevalent, as in he casted tons of games on end in a time frame where he was basically the only english caster of relevance. I really admire him for his effort back then. Irrc the whole Gem League casters were pretty good when they actually decided to cast seriously. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
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Miragee
8505 Posts
On January 13 2017 20:23 Qikz wrote: Random question as I've not seen it mentioned anywhere. When are the Ro4 matches? This sunday and next tuesday, usual time. | ||
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
On January 13 2017 20:04 Miragee wrote: Have I ever said they were "amazing"? I rarely can remember names, especially when it's close to 10 years ago and I was just watching random VoDs on youtube. The major reasons I can remember Sayle's name is because he was much more recent as well as being much more prevalent, as in he casted tons of games on end in a time frame where he was basically the only english caster of relevance. I really admire him for his effort back then. Irrc the whole Gem League casters were pretty good when they actually decided to cast seriously. Nukethestars comes first to my mind when I think about the greatest probably because he was the first commentator I listend to. | ||
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On January 13 2017 13:51 Vuk_91 wrote: Exactly! The depth of his knowledge was simply unparalleled, I don't care what anyone says... He knew exactly what it meant when terran got an early armory, he'd say that it's for a (for example) 11:30 push, and he was right almost all the time. What's also forgotten is that he was casting as a beast during the last few seasons of proleague, it was particularly ridiculous during the winners league, he was casting almost every single pro game... Random serious question: When was the last time Sayle regularly casted? I ask this because you say he should cast nowadays because he had good knowledge back then but that was some years ago right? Who is to say that his knowledge is still as deep? I mean Tastosis knowledge was probably also pretty deep at some point for example when they were progamers. Yet it shouldn't be a point for them casting nowadays that they once had deep knowledge if they can't back it up anymore | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
On January 13 2017 20:55 TheNewEra wrote: Random serious question: When was the last time Sayle regularly casted? Looks like about 2 1/2 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCS3vk1zXQNvE84PlJxb1KOQ | ||
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Freezard
Sweden1011 Posts
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j2choe
Canada243 Posts
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Miragee
8505 Posts
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j2choe
Canada243 Posts
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Miragee
8505 Posts
On January 14 2017 00:39 j2choe wrote: Can't believe he wouldn't be all over this tournament if he has been casting recently. Kinda late in the game for him to jump in now, I suppose, but would definitely have loved to hear him cast JvF. I think he casted ASL a year ago or so. | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
On January 11 2017 00:36 classicyellow83 wrote: Best Part Chat: Why did you keep pumping zerglings even though you didn't scout proxy 2 gates? JaeDong: I get chills when the opponent does something funky. That's exactly what Flash said too! the "Chills" He also explained why he went hydra all-in in second game. "I couldn't kill the probe fast enough. I killed it after speed upgrade was finished. Right when the probe died, my drones hatched. Stork saw it. At that moment only thing protoss can think that the zerg is getting third hatchery, taking an expo. So I pulled back the drone i sent to get expo and decided to go hydra all in." Third game. When I saw that the probe and zealot position terrible I clicked his base right away with lings. When my 3 lings were running around in his base, Stork's best choice would have been leaving 1 zeolot behind and sending 3 zealots out. That puts me in a bad spot. But, Stork knew that I like getting lings early and killing zealots in the middle of the map so he didn't. I knew that he knew that i like getting zerglings. So i just kept on pumping out drones and building hatcheries. At that point, I couldn't lose the game. JD was in Stork's head entire series. JD explained it with more details especially about protoss's pysche and, it really showed why he never loses to Protoss in bo5. JD also said that he built spire just to show it Stork. "Stork knows I love getting mutas mid game. I knew he knew that. So I decided to get none and Stork built cannons and DA bc of it. Which put him more behind." Basically JD did everything he normally doesn't do and Stork prepared accordingly to what JD normally does. Man this is so sick. The double bluffs on double bluffs. Can't wait for JvF. Its gonna be insane. I'm still bitter about the 3 14ccs Flash pulled on Jaedong during 2010 Hana Daetoo MSL.. | ||
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
On January 11 2017 02:16 classicyellow83 wrote: If you want small details. Zeus is your man. He is fucking amazing at analyzing games and explaining in ways that everyone can understand. Okay damn so it was basically I knew that he knew. Mind games, where knowledge is double-sided blade So FlaSh vs EffOrt game would only be understood by like a handful of people? Crazy high-level stuff. Did EffOrt understand what happened though? No wonder ZeuS was so baller back in 2002-2003. Thanks for the valuable insight! I've greatly enjoyed reading up on these. Makes me want to take up Korean even more | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On January 13 2017 20:42 Zera wrote: Nukethestars comes first to my mind when I think about the greatest probably because he was the first commentator I listend to.I got into BW through the Violetak channel, Cholera, Moletrap, Klazart and co. I found Nuke to be irritating and ignorant but at least enthusiastic. I think to say Sayle is the greatest is focusing way too much on the more recent years of BW and ignoring its peak. Though Sayle does deserve huge props for continuing to cast as SC2 threatened the scene. Tasteless, Artosis, Chill and Day9 all did some amazing TSL casts. I don't get the Tastosis hate too, they were fairly high level players back in the day and knew what they were talking about. I feel like the years of SC2 and loss of passion maybe make people forget how good Tasteless was back in the GOMtv era. | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
On January 13 2017 08:48 usopsama wrote: Out of Bisu, Jaedong, Flash and Stork, the fact that Stork got a date with jiyoo, I would say he is the true winner. Here are some of the VODs. First date VODs: + Show Spoiler + He got another date. | ||
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[[Starlight]]
United States1578 Posts
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outscar
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RoomOfMush
1296 Posts
On January 13 2017 19:01 Miragee wrote: I like how you are saying "Sayle always seemed like he actually knew what he was talking about" but then proceed and say "He didnt pretend to know everything". Thats not a contradiction though. He was a humble guy who acted as if he didnt know much but whenever he made a guess he was usually spot on. Even when he was false it was because there were shenanigans going on. And when he was not sure or really didnt know he didnt pretend, he told the truth and asked the chat or watched as the madness unfolded. With Tastosis I get the feeling like these can not admit mistakes. They make so many bad calls, which is not that much of a problem, but they act like what they said is still correct even if it is clearly not. That is one of my biggest gripes with these two. On January 13 2017 20:55 TheNewEra wrote: Random serious question: When was the last time Sayle regularly casted? I ask this because you say he should cast nowadays because he had good knowledge back then but that was some years ago right? Who is to say that his knowledge is still as deep? I mean Tastosis knowledge was probably also pretty deep at some point for example when they were progamers. Yet it shouldn't be a point for them casting nowadays that they once had deep knowledge if they can't back it up anymore A good example is the recent giga legends matches. Both Sayle and Tastosis casted these. If you watch both casts you will realize that both got rusty but Sayle handled it better. While Tastosis called wrong moves or build orders Sayle said he is not sure and instead tried to speculate. The difference is that Sayle was upfront about it and didnt pretend. That makes a big difference to me. | ||
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usopsama
6502 Posts
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PVJ
Hungary5214 Posts
Qt. ~.~ have fun and take some rest Storkuuu boss, we'll be waiting for you. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
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