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Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
August 30 2015 11:07 GMT
#901
On August 30 2015 19:44 amazingxkcd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 19:38 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On August 30 2015 19:32 Qikz wrote:
On August 30 2015 19:31 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On August 30 2015 19:27 BisuDagger wrote:
[image loading]

most easy liquibet points in my life, bisu fanboys


Well I guess Hero had to beat Bisu once in his life. There's always next time.

On August 30 2015 19:32 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On August 30 2015 19:28 Qikz wrote:
I'm always amazed at the sheer difference between JPOP and KPOP. JPOP is all about the cute. KPOP is all about the girls getting dirty it always seems haha.


Aren't they both just about being selected to be in a band based on looks rather than musical talent?


Mostly, the same as it is everywhere else.

I'm just talking about the performances.

Eh, there's some US and UK pop where the groups actually have some musical talent.

Feels like we partially outgrew that stuff once acts like the Spice Girls and Britney Spears bit the dust. Maybe Korea and Japan are about a decade behind us there.

I mean, yeah, there'll always be vapid pop prettified by kewpie doll girls (and boys), but how seriously it gets taken/how popular it is will be diminished.





just to note, most kpop is regurgitated stuff from 90s/2000s american pop crap.


More like Scandinavian-composed stuff - see Ice Cream Cake by Red Velvet for evidence

On August 30 2015 20:03 Stratos wrote:
[image loading]

The real reason AOA was invited.

DAMN SON
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Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
August 30 2015 11:11 GMT
#902
On August 30 2015 20:01 LegalLord wrote:
The stakes don't really feel as high as they did in the Kespa era though... nowhere near the same emotional investment in the outcome as there used to be.

Who's emotional investment do you mean? Cuz back then if you didn't win the finals of a starleague you just continued playing on your team. Now if you don't win the finals it can potentially cost you your livelihood and you can go flip burgers. There's no safety net like that right now.
En Taro Violet
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-30 11:15:10
August 30 2015 11:13 GMT
#903
On August 30 2015 20:01 LegalLord wrote:
The stakes don't really feel as high as they did in the Kespa era though... nowhere near the same emotional investment in the outcome as there used to be.

I really liked SSL11 and followed it pretty much all the way through, staying up late nights here on the Pacific Coast to watch the games live. Few complaints, other than I think Mind vs Hero would've been a better Finals.

It may not be a true 'back in the day' OSL or an MSL, but it's pretty darn good and the best we have right now, and/or will have, unless Bliz re-releases BW in some sort of updated form and all the hypeuuuu truly comes back.

Be thankful for what you have.


User was warned for being hilarious
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
August 30 2015 11:15 GMT
#904
On August 30 2015 20:11 Stratos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 20:01 LegalLord wrote:
The stakes don't really feel as high as they did in the Kespa era though... nowhere near the same emotional investment in the outcome as there used to be.

Who's emotional investment do you mean? Cuz back then if you didn't win the finals of a starleague you just continued playing on your team. Now if you don't win the finals it can potentially cost you your livelihood and you can go flip burgers. There's no safety net like that right now.


Quite an irony considering Bisu does have a "safety net" and is probably the biggest of any of the current expros

In addition hes not the face of Kongdoo for nothing and OGN acceded to his request for winXP unlike EffOrt.
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
August 30 2015 11:15 GMT
#905
On August 30 2015 20:13 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 20:01 LegalLord wrote:
The stakes don't really feel as high as they did in the Kespa era though... nowhere near the same emotional investment in the outcome as there used to be.

I really liked SSL11 and followed it pretty much all the way through, staying up late nights here on the Pacific Coast to watch the games live. Few complaints, other than I think Mind vs Hero would've been a better Finals.

It may not be a true OSL or an MSL, but it's pretty darn good and the best we have right now, and/or will have, unless Bliz re-releases BW in some sort of updated form and all the hypeuuuu truly comes back.

Be thankful for what you have.



It's already a pseudo OSL. If KeSPA gets its shit together and recognizes BW again they'll bring back Starleague in no time.
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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
August 30 2015 11:15 GMT
#906
And while the final was going on, a few players (including NaDa) were happily streaming... Weird...
gg no re thx
Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-30 11:18:42
August 30 2015 11:17 GMT
#907
On August 30 2015 20:15 RKC wrote:
And while the final was going on, a few players (including NaDa) were happily streaming... Weird...

NaDa was re-streaming the finals.
Zero was also re-streaming and commentating for a while before he switched to 2v2, possibly because of some balloons?
Mong was the venue.
En Taro Violet
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
August 30 2015 11:17 GMT
#908
On August 30 2015 20:13 [[Starlight]] wrote:
[
It may not be a true 'back in the day' OSL or an MSL, but it's pretty darn good and the best we have right now, and/or will have, unless Bliz re-releases BW in some sort of updated form and all the hypeuuuu truly comes back.

Be thankful for what you have.


I rather see BW die than have DK/browder do their nonsense on this game.
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3440 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-30 11:20:51
August 30 2015 11:19 GMT
#909
I don't like how we're delving into "not real OSL " and "less emotional investment " (LMAO wHo Cares HaHA am I right) just because Bisu got destroyed in straight sets.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
August 30 2015 11:19 GMT
#910
On August 30 2015 20:17 Stratos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 20:15 RKC wrote:
And while the final was going on, a few players (including NaDa) were happily streaming... Weird...

NaDa was re-streaming the finals.


Ah sorry about that! I shouldn't doubt the bonjwa passion!

I hope NaDa plays competitively again. Would be great for the scene!

BTW, where is Jangbi? Now that Protoss is at the brink of extinction (or so BD claims), we need a new hero from Aiur!
gg no re thx
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-30 11:20:02
August 30 2015 11:19 GMT
#911
On August 30 2015 20:17 Stratos wrote:

Zero was also re-streaming and commentating for a while before he switched to 2v2, possibly because of some balloons?


Spotimes 2v2 Hunters tourney now
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-30 11:20:14
August 30 2015 11:20 GMT
#912
On August 30 2015 20:17 Probemicro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 20:13 [[Starlight]] wrote:
[
It may not be a true 'back in the day' OSL or an MSL, but it's pretty darn good and the best we have right now, and/or will have, unless Bliz re-releases BW in some sort of updated form and all the hypeuuuu truly comes back.

Be thankful for what you have.


I rather see BW die than have DK/browder do their nonsense on this game.

Well, yeah. Updated graphics and bnet 2.0, minimal balance changes. DK/Browder are pretty much scrubs compared to the BW design team, it would be horrible to watch them crap all over BW.
User was warned for being hilarious
feckless
Profile Joined July 2015
1099 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-30 11:21:44
August 30 2015 11:20 GMT
#913
On August 30 2015 20:19 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 20:17 Stratos wrote:
On August 30 2015 20:15 RKC wrote:
And while the final was going on, a few players (including NaDa) were happily streaming... Weird...

NaDa was re-streaming the finals.


Ah sorry about that! I shouldn't doubt the bonjwa passion!

I hope NaDa plays competitively again. Would be great for the scene!

BTW, where is Jangbi? Now that Protoss is at the brink of extinction (or so BD claims), we need a new hero from Aiur!

I hope so, too. Deeply. Same with July.

Jangbi is in the military, I believe. I think Best might be coming back though? I was never big on Best, but it'd be cool seeing him back.
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
August 30 2015 11:21 GMT
#914
On August 30 2015 20:15 Ciryandor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 20:13 [[Starlight]] wrote:
On August 30 2015 20:01 LegalLord wrote:
The stakes don't really feel as high as they did in the Kespa era though... nowhere near the same emotional investment in the outcome as there used to be.

I really liked SSL11 and followed it pretty much all the way through, staying up late nights here on the Pacific Coast to watch the games live. Few complaints, other than I think Mind vs Hero would've been a better Finals.

It may not be a true OSL or an MSL, but it's pretty darn good and the best we have right now, and/or will have, unless Bliz re-releases BW in some sort of updated form and all the hypeuuuu truly comes back.

Be thankful for what you have.



It's already a pseudo OSL. If KeSPA gets its shit together and recognizes BW again they'll bring back Starleague in no time.

Yeah, but the prize pools are a fraction of what the OSL prize pools were in the heyday.

It's incredible what Sonic's done, but let's not kid ourselves into thinking it's exactly the same.

User was warned for being hilarious
Stratos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic6104 Posts
August 30 2015 11:22 GMT
#915
On August 30 2015 20:15 Probemicro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 20:11 Stratos wrote:
On August 30 2015 20:01 LegalLord wrote:
The stakes don't really feel as high as they did in the Kespa era though... nowhere near the same emotional investment in the outcome as there used to be.

Who's emotional investment do you mean? Cuz back then if you didn't win the finals of a starleague you just continued playing on your team. Now if you don't win the finals it can potentially cost you your livelihood and you can go flip burgers. There's no safety net like that right now.


Quite an irony considering Bisu does have a "safety net" and is probably the biggest of any of the current expros

In addition hes not the face of Kongdoo for nothing and OGN acceded to his request for winXP unlike EffOrt.

Sure but what's he going to do after he's done with Starcraft? His ~3000 viewers won't feed him for the rest of his life and I don't think he has the personality to get successful like YellOw. Unless he becomes a coach somewhere his flashy esports career will likely be of no use to him.
En Taro Violet
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
August 30 2015 11:23 GMT
#916
On August 30 2015 20:22 Stratos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 20:15 Probemicro wrote:
On August 30 2015 20:11 Stratos wrote:
On August 30 2015 20:01 LegalLord wrote:
The stakes don't really feel as high as they did in the Kespa era though... nowhere near the same emotional investment in the outcome as there used to be.

Who's emotional investment do you mean? Cuz back then if you didn't win the finals of a starleague you just continued playing on your team. Now if you don't win the finals it can potentially cost you your livelihood and you can go flip burgers. There's no safety net like that right now.


Quite an irony considering Bisu does have a "safety net" and is probably the biggest of any of the current expros

In addition hes not the face of Kongdoo for nothing and OGN acceded to his request for winXP unlike EffOrt.

Sure but what's he going to do after he's done with Starcraft? His ~3000 viewers won't feed him for the rest of his life and I don't think he has the personality to get successful like YellOw. Unless he becomes a coach somewhere his flashy esports career will likely be of no use to him.


Play Vain Glory!

(It's funny seeing players on a stage furiously tapping away on a mobile)
gg no re thx
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-30 11:29:45
August 30 2015 11:28 GMT
#917
On August 30 2015 20:19 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 20:17 Stratos wrote:
On August 30 2015 20:15 RKC wrote:
And while the final was going on, a few players (including NaDa) were happily streaming... Weird...

NaDa was re-streaming the finals.

BTW, where is Jangbi? Now that Protoss is at the brink of extinction (or so BD claims), we need a new hero from Aiur!


This IS a problem. With Hero and Effort, there are great Zergs, with Mind and Ssak there are great Terrans, but the Protoss bench is looking awfully thin at the top level with Bisu gone for two years to fight Kim Jong Un.


User was warned for being hilarious
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-30 11:29:26
August 30 2015 11:29 GMT
#918
dbl post
User was warned for being hilarious
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-30 11:32:17
August 30 2015 11:29 GMT
#919
On August 30 2015 20:22 Stratos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 20:15 Probemicro wrote:
On August 30 2015 20:11 Stratos wrote:
On August 30 2015 20:01 LegalLord wrote:
The stakes don't really feel as high as they did in the Kespa era though... nowhere near the same emotional investment in the outcome as there used to be.

Who's emotional investment do you mean? Cuz back then if you didn't win the finals of a starleague you just continued playing on your team. Now if you don't win the finals it can potentially cost you your livelihood and you can go flip burgers. There's no safety net like that right now.


Quite an irony considering Bisu does have a "safety net" and is probably the biggest of any of the current expros

In addition hes not the face of Kongdoo for nothing and OGN acceded to his request for winXP unlike EffOrt.

Sure but what's he going to do after he's done with Starcraft? His ~3000 viewers won't feed him for the rest of his life and I don't think he has the personality to get successful like YellOw. Unless he becomes a coach somewhere his flashy esports career will likely be of no use to him.


hey he just won 10 million won you know.
after the army pretty sure he can play into his 30s, just like NaDa/Iris is doing.
he already has marketing/modelling gigs and who knows what else arranged on Kongdoo TV
should be loaded by the time hes 40.

On August 30 2015 20:28 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 20:19 RKC wrote:

BTW, where is Jangbi? Now that Protoss is at the brink of extinction (or so BD claims), we need a new hero from Aiur!


This IS a problem. With Hero and Effort, there are great Zergs, with Mind and Ssak there are great Terrans, but the Protoss bench is looking awfully thin at the top level with Bisu gone for two years to fight Kim Jong Un.




Jangbi is in the army
Bisu is tired old and washed out
True best SKT toss BeSt will show em whats up.
[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-30 11:33:28
August 30 2015 11:32 GMT
#920
On August 30 2015 20:29 Probemicro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 20:22 Stratos wrote:
On August 30 2015 20:15 Probemicro wrote:
On August 30 2015 20:11 Stratos wrote:
On August 30 2015 20:01 LegalLord wrote:
The stakes don't really feel as high as they did in the Kespa era though... nowhere near the same emotional investment in the outcome as there used to be.

Who's emotional investment do you mean? Cuz back then if you didn't win the finals of a starleague you just continued playing on your team. Now if you don't win the finals it can potentially cost you your livelihood and you can go flip burgers. There's no safety net like that right now.


Quite an irony considering Bisu does have a "safety net" and is probably the biggest of any of the current expros

In addition hes not the face of Kongdoo for nothing and OGN acceded to his request for winXP unlike EffOrt.

Sure but what's he going to do after he's done with Starcraft? His ~3000 viewers won't feed him for the rest of his life and I don't think he has the personality to get successful like YellOw. Unless he becomes a coach somewhere his flashy esports career will likely be of no use to him.


hey he just won 10 million won you know.
after the army pretty sure he can play into his 30s, just like NaDa/Iris is doing.
he already has marketing/modelling gigs and who knows what else arranged on Kongdoo TV
should be loaded by the time hes 40.

10 million won is all of $8,000 or so. He's going to be making most of his money elsewhere.

Fortunately he has looks on his side, he should have a pretty good TV career.

User was warned for being hilarious
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