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Sadly you can't, so at least manner up kiddo.
Finishing with an insult as a sum-up to your insulting post. Priceless.
Or should I write just as you, and sum it up with "Priceless stupidity"? See, you pretend to be nice, but you just act.
Btw, admins never listen, it would probably be the first instance in history of bw, where admins listen to anything. All they do is tell you to play on extra high - like you do that on a daily basis.
This tournament looks like democratic voting in North Korea - lists had only one name to 'choose'. So, you can only compete for 2nd spot, and only if you're on the right side of the bracket, and still I wouldn't mind if it wasn't for that lag, which we can't even comment on, beacuse we get bashed instantly for even bringing the matter to light, so most people just don't even want to talk about it. Awesome.
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Julia, go get some sleep. We will have a time talk with you and your thoughts after last 20th cup will be taken by Scan.
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Luckily its Julia making all the complaints, so no one can take them seriously anyway, karmas a bitch =)
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Is anyone suprised scan won?
Great "foreigner" tour XD
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Dunno why Julia is getting so much hate. He at least tried to play vs Scan. Many, including me, won't even participate. He tries it out, ends up playing Scan, and then loses. Not only did he lose, he lost to Scans off-race. He also experiences lag. He voices his opinion and shares his experience and gets crucified for it. Admins make him play in lag and admins back a player many don't feel should even be in the tournament. It's not fun to play in a tournament where you feel like someone is getting special treatment and it's not fun to watch a tournament where you know that the person getting special treatment is going to win. It's especially shitty losing to a player you feel shouldn't even be there to knock you out. It makes you feel cheated in a way.
I watched a bit of the stream and honestly it just kind of ticked me off watching a player who probably shouldn't be playing eliminate people over and over with his off-race.
It also sorta ticked me off watching the over-criticism on a lot of the earlier matches like Jumpers by the casters. It's like they expect near-korean level play and enjoy pointing out mistakes more than diagnosing what players are trying to do. I look at guys like Jumper and Julia and all they got out of this tournament is basically embarrassment and hate. Pretty lame if you ask me.
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On July 27 2015 03:43 G5 wrote:
Dunno why Julia is getting so much hate.
Because you only follow this tournament and not anything else that has happened in the past five years. So far Julia managed to piss off a ton of people, not limited to the TL.net administration crew. He's a walking stereotype of a player you can not possibly satisfy. I remember countless incidents in which Julia "complained" about issues, regardless of what actually happened.
The few last encounters I had as organizer were following:
In ICCup CL he had to play Gargoyle, a Terran from Eastern Europe. Apparently lags or a disconnect happened, so he called me in by stating that "the Russian retard lags". After repeating his insults about ten times, several warnings and a warning kick later he missed to point out what really was the issue. I offered to either swap them both, repeat another day or to continue with lag - if lag happened at all. Julia stormed off and complained on Teamliquid how admin be bitches and power hungry fucks with no life.
The last incident happened in a bw.de tour with Hearthstone Beta Keys as prices. He went talking shit for hours before actually trying to play. Before we even could come to a decision he stormed off once again and was only granted a walk over, because his opponent was fed up by this kind of behaviour.
Honestly, you can try as much as you want, the kid doesn't have any manners. Naturally, you learn to ignore his requests, because you can't possibly come to the conclusion whether or not he has anything to say besides directing anger at others - he literally only releases two sentences including at least one minor offense. It can't be really bad, otherwise he wouldn't show up at all, can it? It's not like he could downright refuse to play. It's really not just the TLS organizers, or the ICCup administration, it expands and the list of people "he is hated by" include a ton of notable players as well.
Now compare with other impulsive players like eOnzErG. It took a while, but you can adjust to their heated arguments, and they eventually manage to calm down. Entirely different - see TechnicS. The guy is pissed off and from what I heard he as a ton of reasons for it, yet I fail to see something really offending.
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Btw one thing to note is that a lot of the top foreigners seem to boycott the decision to allow Scan to play in these cups. I am not sure how many of you tried to understand Sziky's posts but i am pretty sure he said that he is not going to participate alongside Scan here. For now this seems to be true, also as i speak frequently with TechnicS he feels the exact same way although he is quite busy with his life and would've either way miss a lot of the tournaments. But with Scan playing he is absolutely 100% sure he won't play. The same applies to Eon who also said there is no point in playing. And these are 3 of the top top foreign/zerg players of the past several years. I don't think this is the best start and i don't think that the easy follow up argument is simply the shot at the prize pool(although that is the reason to have one in the first place imo).
PS I totally lol'd at Gecko's post about Julia xD
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On July 27 2015 05:03 BulgarianToss wrote:
Btw one thing to note is that a lot of the top foreigners seem to boycott the decision to allow Scan to play in these cups. I am not sure how many of you tried to understand Sziky's posts but i am pretty sure he said that he is not going to participate alongside Scan here. For now this seems to be true, also as i speak frequently with TechnicS he feels the exact same way although he is quite busy with his life and would've either way miss a lot of the tournaments. But with Scan playing he is absolutely 100% sure he won't play. The same applies to Eon who also said there is no point in playing. And these are 3 of the top top foreign/zerg players of the past several years. I don't think this is the best start and i don't think that the easy follow up argument is simply the shot at the prize pool(although that is the reason to have one in the first place imo).
PS I totally lol'd at Gecko's post about Julia xD
i dont gonna call it boycott for now,true is who ever face scan in the brackets gonna loss,so the top ranks players will reach higher places if they dont face him in the early brackets,not sure for new blood like you and Sero how it feels,is it cool for you guys ? or doesnt matter if loss to scan or sziky or trutacz or vs me ?anyway yesterday i was busy playing one tournament in the Peru community,i dont have time to play every tournament and the saturday 19:00 is not really a good time for me,but i will try to play some in the future,
i have one question to the admins,will be players sancionated if when they facing scan just give wo ?i mean the result proly gonna be the same,and i know maybe viewers reaction at first gonna be bad but think about it,you are playing a semiprogamer in front of a big audience to get smashed and be ridiculed on top of that this is not some youtube commentaries arguments where angry fans blaming the artist,is just the active players of the foreign scene complaining what they believe is fair( no want him in the tournament.)and honestly u guys should force to stay with one race,he plays all the races at a good level,(he told me he made C rank fish with Protoss and zerg)imagine in the future how the hell you gonna prepare for a bo series if this guy play wathever race he feels?....im sure most of the foreign players never reached C rank except few exceptions.so yeah his offrace is already better than most of our main race ^^;
im talking about the sactions mostly looking for the conclusion of the TLS championship where i took part in the 3 tournaments made and where was some ranking for participation and nows doesnt make any sense ?.
if someone decided to answer plz dont tell me to fuck my self or comments like that,i really writting this without trying to offend anyone. ggs
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On July 27 2015 04:50 GeckoXp wrote:
The last incident happened in a bw.de tour with Hearthstone Beta Keys as prices. He went talking shit for hours before actually trying to play. Before we even could come to a decision he stormed off once again and was only granted a walk over, because his opponent was fed up by this kind of behaviour.
i actually have to confirm this. From my pov Julia did behave in quite an unacceptable way. So while i think it is good that players voice their concerns about the TLS, i think Julia shouldn't be suprised if admins have a negative expectation about his behavior. If you read this Julia, i don't wanna talk bad about you, but admins react towards you, as you react towards them.
@Eons post: i actually have to admit Scan was really dominant vs tacz in the finals. In his offrace games he didn't look too bad and his mainrace wins were very dominant. I think Eon is right when he says, that Scan can beat a lot of good foreigners offrace consistently. Perhaps not the top tier of foreign players, but starting with the second tier, unless perhaps in zvt where he can take down anyone. The finals were a great viewing experience and really fun to me, but one has to admit, they were pretty onesided. Props to tacz for playing the series with full passion anyway and not giving up/playing only stupid all-ins.
i was very impressed with his attitude, playing the series to the best of his abilities despite beeing a clear underdog.
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i think Julia shouldn't be suprised if admins have a negative expectation about his behavior. If you read this Julia, i don't wanna talk bad about you, but admins react towards you, as you react towards them.
Granted, you're right as far as communication goes. However, for a moment look from the opposition's point of view.
How can we feel if... we have a non-korean tour, with one korean, from korea, who plays more with his off-races than we do with our main races (yup!). That's like the organizers pointing the middle finger towards everyone playing. Let all koreans play - we like that.
Ogranizers have to realize, that players also react to their decisions. They don't like when we call it favouritism, then what is it? They want good games, but who will practice just to lose anyway, already some players decided it's not worth it. Like it or not, the tour lost a lot of it's magic.
Your post Cele was one of the few insult-deprived and reasonable here, why would I think you talk bad about me? You get played by gecko's trolling about me too much.
Honestly, you can try as much as you want, the kid doesn't have any manners
Can moderation maybe at least like verbally warn this guy? All he does is insult me, despite the fact I'm not talking with him?
It also sorta ticked me off watching the over-criticism on a lot of the earlier matches like Jumpers by the casters. It's like they expect near-korean level play and enjoy pointing out mistakes more than diagnosing what players are trying to do. I look at guys like Jumper and Julia and all they got out of this tournament is basically embarrassment and hate. Pretty lame if you ask me.
I'm a bm player, I call people chobos all the time, guilty ;d
Embarassment? I'm not embarassed to lose. Rather I'm disappointed at the organizers that I had to play lagged games, I thought more of them before that.
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Interpreting the rules you have made is indeed voicing many concerns dear organizers from the vast majority of the players` side.
I imagine the main problem of many players is not Scan`s skill level, rather, that he is Korean, and as it is in the rules: Koreans are not allowed to play. I feel it useless to repeat; zimp and many others already pointed out these rather interesting flaws in detail, yet they were ignored, however they are right, you are contradicting yourself losing your credence. This stubborn resistance by the organizers against this level of pressure from the players`s side amazes in the sense that it does not induce(d) any kind of change. The question arises in the public: are you really for the majority of foreign players or for just for one person?
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Scan did such a freaking mannered THING that no any fucking newschool kid of BW scene would/could do by playing offrace against weak opponents by risking his score overall. Scan needs entry to the hall of fame of TSL/TLS/TLC. Scan is currently GOD of foreign scene.
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On July 27 2015 08:54 13Julia wrote:Show nested quote + i think Julia shouldn't be suprised if admins have a negative expectation about his behavior. If you read this Julia, i don't wanna talk bad about you, but admins react towards you, as you react towards them. Granted, you're right as far as communication goes. However, for a moment look from the opposition's point of view. How can we feel if... we have a non-korean tour, with one korean, from korea, who plays more with his off-races than we do with our main races (yup!). That's like the organizers pointing the middle finger towards everyone playing. Let all koreans play - we like that. Ogranizers have to realize, that players also react to their decisions. They don't like when we call it favouritism, then what is it? They want good games, but who will practice just to lose anyway, already some players decided it's not worth it. Like it or not, the tour lost a lot of it's magic. Your post Cele was one of the few insult-deprived and reasonable here, why would I think you talk bad about me? You get played by gecko's trolling about me too much. Show nested quote + Honestly, you can try as much as you want, the kid doesn't have any manners Can moderation maybe at least like verbally warn this guy? All he does is insult me, despite the fact I'm not talking with him? Show nested quote +
It also sorta ticked me off watching the over-criticism on a lot of the earlier matches like Jumpers by the casters. It's like they expect near-korean level play and enjoy pointing out mistakes more than diagnosing what players are trying to do. I look at guys like Jumper and Julia and all they got out of this tournament is basically embarrassment and hate. Pretty lame if you ask me. I'm a bm player, I call people chobos all the time, guilty ;d Embarassment? I'm not embarassed to lose. Rather I'm disappointed at the organizers that I had to play lagged games, I thought more of them before that.
Yes okay, i see the point. It is frustrating that like Scan is that much better. You feel robbed and don't know why to try hard, because realistically you will not beat him. I understand what it is like to feel you have no Chance to win. It's like this for me every tour i play unless i enter like a D/C rank tour. But imagine if it was a random guy, who is this good.
Let's assume our random guy is not korean, and has never played in pro BW and doesn't lag, he does not have a better ping on fish. In that case, it would be fucked up to ban him, just coz he practiced a ton and really improved his game, where others didn't.
So What can be good reasons to ban Scan?
He has a pro gaming background, though he can only be counted as Semi-pro given he didn't play a lot of SOSPA events yet (only 1 SRT) and he is by far not a top player in the SOSPA. Many Guys who have a pro gaming background have played in foreigner Events in the past, Like Nony, Ret,Idra but also Chinese players like Fengzi, Jaystar and others. It doesnt seem fair to exclude him on that basis.
Then scan is korean by passport, but actually he lived much longer in the US than in Korea and for the most part played BW there. We also had many other players play in foreign event who's parents are from Korea or who have a korean passport, like Pro7ect, Michael and many others, Inuh for instance was a german player who had a korean background and he played german events. So i think exlcuding by ethnicity is wrong too.
Then you can combine those too and say because he is too good/progamer (same thing) AND coz he is korean. But if one reason is no good, combining them doesn't make it better.
So, TL admins thought about it and came to the conclusion, a foreigner is a foreigner when he is active in the scene, participates and helps. I don't want to argue if Scan helped more than others, but he did help. The line is actually very blurry i admit it, but i can't think of a better way to define it.
He could be excluded becasue of lag, but some players in the tour have worse lag then him, so no good either.
Players have never prior been excluded from a TL Starleague (TSL 1&2, TLS 1-3) for those reasons. If you let Idra play, let Scan play.
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On July 27 2015 09:53 outscar wrote:
Scan did such a freaking mannered THING that no any fucking newschool kid of BW scene would/could do by playing offrace against weak opponents by risking his score overall. Scan needs entry to the hall of fame of TSL/TLS/TLC. Scan is currently GOD of foreign scene.
lol.....
First of all, Scan is not a foreigner, so he cannot be the god of the foreign scene.
Secondly, Only a new schooler would think off racing is mannered.
Thirdly, Scan off racing did not change the overall outcome of this Cup, nor the next. It is a form of deception that only a new schooler like yourself would think is real. You know why Koreans off race vs Foreigners? Because they know they are going to win regardless of the Race they pick.
Now please Scan Fan, chill.
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This saturday goodgame hosted a WC3 tournament with RUB 50k starting prizepool. Not to mention awesome games, the community doubled the prizepool, making it RUB 100k (~US$ 1,750) in total. That's very promising, and I am quite willing to share to repeat the tournament.
Of course you are all allowed to do whatever you want. Cry, complain, boy-fucking-cott, these won't make you good. You want us to belive there are more chances for you against, say, Sziky than against Scan? Well, baring in mind your activity level, I agree that 1% chance is still more than 0.1%.
The fear is all the tournaments will be done solely by Scan, with no real competition? I suggest to allow "Rus_Brain's special guest", say Sea or Bisu to take part. And yes this will remain a foreigner tournament, as any foreigner may get his lazy ass off from a chair and take part. Not that easy for a Korean.
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Superb. Now foreigners hate on this discussion so much, Largo even refused to use Scan on stream in his latest TvP.
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On July 27 2015 13:12 Rus_Brain wrote:
This saturday goodgame hosted a WC3 tournament with RUB 50k starting prizepool. Not to mention awesome games, the community doubled the prizepool, making it RUB 100k (~US$ 1,750) in total. That's very promising, and I am quite willing to share to repeat the tournament.
Of course you are all allowed to do whatever you want. Cry, complain, boy-fucking-cott, these won't make you good. You want us to belive there are more chances for you against, say, Sziky than against Scan? Well, baring in mind your activity level, I agree that 1% chance is still more than 0.1%.
The fear is all the tournaments will be done solely by Scan, with no real competition? I suggest to allow "Rus_Brain's special guest", say Sea or Busu to let in. And yes this will remain a foreigner tournament, as any foreigner may take his lazy ass from a chair and take part. Not that easy for a Korean.
Hi there.What about consider make the tournament bo1 for him ? like we playing a bo3 if i win 1 thats it,or bo5,this mean he need win 2 games in a bo3 and 3 games in a bo5 while us the non kors semiprogamers just need 1 game ?can this be take in consideration ?
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On July 27 2015 15:43 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 13:12 Rus_Brain wrote:
This saturday goodgame hosted a WC3 tournament with RUB 50k starting prizepool. Not to mention awesome games, the community doubled the prizepool, making it RUB 100k (~US$ 1,750) in total. That's very promising, and I am quite willing to share to repeat the tournament.
Of course you are all allowed to do whatever you want. Cry, complain, boy-fucking-cott, these won't make you good. You want us to belive there are more chances for you against, say, Sziky than against Scan? Well, baring in mind your activity level, I agree that 1% chance is still more than 0.1%.
The fear is all the tournaments will be done solely by Scan, with no real competition? I suggest to allow "Rus_Brain's special guest", say Sea or Busu to let in. And yes this will remain a foreigner tournament, as any foreigner may take his lazy ass from a chair and take part. Not that easy for a Korean. Hi there.What about consider make the tournament bo1 for him ? like we playing a bo3 if i win 1 thats it,or bo5,this mean he need win 2 games in a bo3 and 3 games in a bo5 while us the non kors semiprogamers just need 1 game ?can this be take in consideration ? A handicap is fine. I already offered that like twenty pages ago ^^
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handicap?.........SERIOUSLY?..................WTF............. i rather lose 0-4 than win with a handicap
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