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reminisce12
Profile Joined March 2012
Australia318 Posts
July 15 2015 05:43 GMT
#81
epic zvp
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
July 15 2015 05:44 GMT
#82
EPIC BISU HARASS
THEN THE DOOM DROPS
BEST GAME
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
July 15 2015 05:45 GMT
#83
The Hero vs Bisu game made my night. Oh that was a pleasure to cast :D
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
reminisce12
Profile Joined March 2012
Australia318 Posts
July 15 2015 05:45 GMT
#84
On July 15 2015 14:37 prech wrote:
Too good... wonder what would have happened if Bisu harassed with psi storms rather than all those zealot drops


I think its good for bisu to mix up hes drops with zealots, storm and dts. keeps the enemy guessing, on top of that each drop serves a different function, zealot drops were able to snipe key buildings.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
July 15 2015 05:45 GMT
#85
On July 15 2015 14:43 Probemicro wrote:
this is best game of ssl so far

hmm maybe late game wise but some of the earlier days had some dang good games. Hyuk's games come to mind (earlier ones at least lol)
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-15 05:48:35
July 15 2015 05:47 GMT
#86
On July 15 2015 14:45 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 14:43 Probemicro wrote:
this is best game of ssl so far

hmm maybe late game wise but some of the earlier days had some dang good games. Hyuk's games come to mind (earlier ones at least lol)


nah the first guemchi win relied on guemchi messing up with delayed storm, while his other matches are mostly allinish/cheesy (yes even the one vs guemchi later, he was on 4base agreession and did not take 4th gas until wayyy later)
i can recall random fish games better than those.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
July 15 2015 05:47 GMT
#87
I think the theme of the game was Bisu being economically behind, probably due to cancel at 3o clock. He held on due to amazing resource management, but when you don't even have space to go speed shuttle, little opportunity for him to take necessary investments such as reavers or HT drop...
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
July 15 2015 05:50 GMT
#88
On July 15 2015 14:47 Hesmyrr wrote:
I think the theme of the game was Bisu being economically behind, probably due to cancel at 3o clock. He held on due to amazing resource management, but when you don't even have space to go speed shuttle, little opportunity for him to take necessary investments such as reavers or HT drop...


he did very well considering the difficulty of taking 3rd on la mancha. felt he could have focussed on defending the 4th better, it fell way too easily with that drop.
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
July 15 2015 05:51 GMT
#89
On July 15 2015 14:47 Hesmyrr wrote:
I think the theme of the game was Bisu being economically behind, probably due to cancel at 3o clock. He held on due to amazing resource management, but when you don't even have space to go speed shuttle, little opportunity for him to take necessary investments such as reavers or HT drop...


losing that 3rd hit Bisu very hard and not being able to beat Hero out as well in any engagement that would lead to hatcheries dying was also a key factor.
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Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-15 05:55:26
July 15 2015 05:54 GMT
#90
Hero just had his way with Bisu. I can't believe even though Bisu was maxed that he still lost. I probably don't know much but I feel like if Bisu trades away the zealots well enough and just gets more gas heavy units like reaver and archons he coulda won. Also, definitely needed cannons at that 5th base in the far bottom left or something to defend vs. the doom drop. I'm so glad hero didn't disappoint like how Jaedong has been recently.
WriterI feel weird.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-15 06:14:14
July 15 2015 06:10 GMT
#91
^ He was adding a lot more archons and hts into his mix but hero's economy and macro were good enough to overwhelm him especially after hero took down two of his expansions back to back while Bisu struggled to do a lot of eco damage (past the dt and ht drops). Bisu only managed to take down a single hatchery the whole game which had 1-2 drones while hero took down Bisu's gateway, forge with upgrade, third base, stopped mining at newer third twice (one late game) and took down fourth and fifth base with relative ease. Bisu's counter attacks into hero's fourth didn't have enough to help him at least take down the base. hero just had Bisu's number this game.

On July 15 2015 14:47 Probemicro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 14:45 BigFan wrote:
On July 15 2015 14:43 Probemicro wrote:
this is best game of ssl so far

hmm maybe late game wise but some of the earlier days had some dang good games. Hyuk's games come to mind (earlier ones at least lol)


nah the first guemchi win relied on guemchi messing up with delayed storm, while his other matches are mostly allinish/cheesy (yes even the one vs guemchi later, he was on 4base agreession and did not take 4th gas until wayyy later)
i can recall random fish games better than those.

I mean the game where he was trying to mutalisk micro with 2 control groups that even the commentators were saying that Jaedong must be jealous XD
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
prech
Profile Joined March 2014
United States2948 Posts
July 15 2015 06:50 GMT
#92
Fast journalism

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http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/view.php?ud=2015071513485844294

I'm cheering for ZerO on Sunday

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http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/view.php?ud=2015071514070553270

Want to go to Ro8 with free. Prepared the early aggression strategy extensively, thanks to Mind and Sharp for practice.

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http://esports.dailygame.co.kr/view.php?ud=2015071514570769125

Prepared for faster hive tech and defilers, but dark swarm and ground attacks weren't working, switched to drops instead.
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mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
July 15 2015 09:11 GMT
#93
I approve.
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8472 Posts
July 15 2015 10:05 GMT
#94
Just watched the vods. Bisu vs Hero was great.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
July 15 2015 11:04 GMT
#95
On July 15 2015 19:05 Miragee wrote:
Just watched the vods. Bisu vs Hero was great.


Where are the vods? o_O
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Probemicro
Profile Joined February 2014
3708 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-15 11:31:19
July 15 2015 11:18 GMT
#96
On July 15 2015 20:04 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 19:05 Miragee wrote:
Just watched the vods. Bisu vs Hero was great.


Where are the vods? o_O


edit: oh wait its not uploaded on OGN yt yet

either sonic afreeca vod page

sonic

or sonic's afreeca channel is looping the games

or chinese longzhu vod

http://v.plu.cn/sk2/v/117911?from=rmvideo

i think amazingxkcd has vods on twitch too?

youtube vods will have to wait a while
IamBiSa
Profile Joined September 2013
Germany66 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-15 11:43:41
July 15 2015 11:41 GMT
#97
English VoD is here:

Day 5 VoD Amazingxkcd

But it's missing the Olympus vs Killer Game.
TL+ Member
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6505 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-15 12:56:39
July 15 2015 12:40 GMT
#98
Amazingxkcd cast reminds me of that episode of how i meet your mother where robin say a word in the tv news and ted and his students drinks ... however however however, lol...
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-15 13:35:29
July 15 2015 13:28 GMT
#99
Nevertheless that Bisu lost that game or win, he is going to advance. Bisu is just not God (Even Flash dropped 1 game in MSL) to win SSL by not dropping a single game. herO is getting so scary for everyone. Maybe Mind will stop him. Not sure if Effort was present to show opposition and solidness of his ZvZ.

The next last round of 16 is quite interesting. We could get some tiebrakers:
Group A: If Movie wins over Mind.
Group B: If Last crushes Zero.
Group C: If Hyuk hyuks himself and Free advances.
Group D: No way of any tiebrakers from group of death, sadly. But a match for pride.

But also tiebrakers is bad for Bisu because it will delay ro8 and his army enlistment date is so close.
sunbeams are never made like me...
_Animus_
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria1064 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-15 14:12:38
July 15 2015 13:43 GMT
#100
That Bisu vs Hero game!
It makes me wonder, is the zerg so imba, or just hero is so much better than bisu?
I dont see what bisu did so wrong in this game, there were some mistakes like too much goons in the first big engagement that got eated by cheap lings. But come on, hero's 4th got working so late after bisu got his 3rd fully saturated. Not to mention how much overlord bisu killed untill that time. Still Hero comes ahead in every engagement. After that, bisu negated 2 of hero's expansions with dt drops and still got nothing out of it.

It was bassically equall bases for both players most of the game and bisu couldnt do anything fruitfull with his forces, maybe more defensive play was prefferable(coz hes not Jangbi you know ^^), so he can trade army more cost efficient.

The doomdrops pretty much decided the game, but i feel that if bisu turtled on another base that would have been his chance instead of attacking and insta losing the game.
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