HSL - hOdduk Starleague - Page 5

On March 01 2012 19:27 ImbaTosS wrote:
When will VODs be up? I would like to offer to re-cast in English, seeing the incredible quality of this event. Otherwise only really the hardcore are going to watch it, and that's a shame.

On March 04 2012 08:43 Hesmyrr wrote:
People who cheer for Savior has to no right to complain about lack of OSL.
I won't watch this tournament but I hope he loses.

On March 04 2012 11:45 supernovamaniac wrote:
LOL, still discussing about that person who destroyed MBCGame with his own hands?

I still don't know if people don't know what actually happened, or just choose to ignore what happened. I do agree with Hesmyrr though.

On March 05 2012 00:27 hellbound wrote:


Huh? Savior is on the MBC directors board? News to me. This shit gets blown way out of proportion. He is just an amateur now playing in an amateur league, get over it.

On March 05 2012 00:27 hellbound wrote:


Huh? Savior is on the MBC directors board? News to me. This shit gets blown way out of proportion. He is just an amateur now playing in an amateur league, get over it.

On March 05 2012 06:27 supernovamaniac wrote:

Get over it while people are still endorsing someone who brought down MSL, MBCGame, and almost proleague?

I'm sorry. I might as well get over it if people who still support that person just completely stopped following pro-Korean BW scene and just kept it to Mafreeca. Then maybe I'll get over the fact that the person has contributed to shutting down MSL, MBCGame, and is still making money off from a game that he helped destroy not only to the fans, but also to the general public.

Oh and before you bullshit about "snm has no basis, jumping to conclusion too early"

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=317103&currentpage=4#76

On March 05 2012 09:52 Hesmyrr wrote:

Since snm chose to respond I might as well. Don't know why you are blaming MBC directors board here when it is their job to maximize profit for their channel. I think of it as how Blizzard tried to get intellectual rights for the BW broadcast- terrible for the scene but justifiable enough for some people to actually defend them. It's like blaming the surgeon for amputating your leg instead of the random jerkass who decided to throw acorns on the promenade for profit (crime for profit is better than one done for lols in my mind and it was for profit).

On March 05 2012 09:55 hellbound wrote:


The "blown out of proportion" part was meant to imply that I don't think the scandal, nevermind Voldemort himself, was as big as a factor in these events as you consider them to be. I disagree with this point. Also the MBC game people claiming that the channel and the league were still profitable during their last days is at odds to the fact that they were claiming that the franchise was losing money when Blizzard was up in arms about getting their cut. "Incidents" or no, it has been too long for that to be the only or a significant reason. The messages you posted were made when the decision to close was already made, I'll be a bit cynical about this, but here goes: if I decided to convert game into a music channel to make more money I'd announce that I did it because Savior hurt my pride in having an esports channel too. Not saying that that's how it is, but it's all a bit too convenient to be taken at face value. Kpop and MMOs are stronger than Voldemort's legacy.

The game is pretty much the same as it was whenever blizzard released the last real patch. And I doubt it can be "destroyed" per se. I think you meant to say "scene" and he got booted out of the scene that he hurt (not destroyed, because it's still with us). And while it's true that saying that the amateur streaming scene has nothing to do with the proscene is an oversimplification, saying that he is making money off the thing he damaged is also an oversimplification.

Attacking fans with rational arguments is moot, fandom is not an entirely rational process. Is forgiveness a bad thing anyway? I wanna go through a few thoughts now. Hodduk Starleague is a good thing. I like it, I like watching it, I'm glad it made manifest. The fact that savior participates definitely increases it's exposure, I'm sure lots of people tuned in just to see the fallen one play for love or hate. This is a classic case of "any publicity is good publicity". This success means that the likelihood of similar leagues in the future goes up. He is a positive factor here. The irony.

I guess I just don't have the highly moral outlook as per Korean standards, nor am fond of keeping grudges. What is done is done. The scene lives because there are still fans who still have pride in it. Quitting because some assholes did something not nice some time ago is such a weaksauce excuse. What, did MBC and potential OSL sponsors think that the BW scene was some sort of inhuman niche filled with hard working angels? No one is that naive, there are assholes everywhere. And milking that old scandal excuse is mostly bullshit. The way I saw the impact of the scandal was this: OGN made a huge deal (and a nasty marketing ploy) soon after it saying that the attendance and viewership of the immediate KAIR OSL finals would determine whether the scene is still viable. The day came and the hangar was full and there was spectacle and there was drama - there was starcraft and the people had spoken - they were still supporting BW and wanted it to live. And that should've been the end of it.

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Changed your post to how I see it. Though my bigass rant mostly answers you, I can do it again too, ha. I don't really blame anyone. The people I am discussing here, including you are the ones blaming someone. True MBC made a corporate decision and no one can blame them for what they do with the things they own, like their TV channels. What I have a problem with is the thinking that they were forced into this decision by savior. There was something else behind that amputation besides the acorn stuck in my foot. A lucrative deal with an amputee kpop artist mayhap? Who knows, surgeons work in mysterious ways...

What I have a problem with is the thinking that they were forced into this decision by savior.

The fact that savior participates definitely increases it's exposure, I'm sure lots of people tuned in just to see the fallen one play for love or hate.