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On February 23 2012 12:39 aupstar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 10:36 Kiett wrote:On February 23 2012 09:58 aupstar wrote:
If you're not going to update OP with recommended games, don't create the thread.
There is a format that everyone sticks to and even though you may have an opinion on the games, your opinion does not necessarily reflect the general non-SKT/Bisu fanboy populace. lol okay bro. For one, giving text recommendations IS an accepted format. People have done it plenty of times in the past, and nowhere does it say polls are required. For another, what does this have to do with SKT/Bisu fans? Those games were BAD, and I don't care who was playing. I didn't recommend Fantasy's or SoO's games either, even though they won. Game 2 was not better than games 1 and 3 in any way, and yet people, quite predictably, voted yes for no reason other than Bisu lost. This was my way of eliminating bias and give recommendations solely on the actual value of the games themselves. Lastly, if you don't want me to make OPs, no problem. But it's not like I called dibs on this thread days early; this match had no thread at barely half an hour before it started, so if it bothers you, maybe you should get to it and make it yourself instead waiting for someone else to do it and then bitching. I don't think you understand what I'm saying here. Recommendations are based on the enjoyability of the game not "how good you the OP think the game is". A one liner that's copy and pasted for every game that states how crappy "you the OP" think each game is goes against this principle. You've managed to find a handful of games that have worded recommendations amongst the thousands of LR threads that are out there. Good for you. But it's the exception, not the norm. I think you're selling the bw community short when you do things like this.
Democracy isn't all that it's cracked up to be. People vote for a lot of different reasons, many of which not consistent with your own. This applies to BW games just as much as real life.
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On February 23 2012 12:39 aupstar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 10:36 Kiett wrote:On February 23 2012 09:58 aupstar wrote:
If you're not going to update OP with recommended games, don't create the thread.
There is a format that everyone sticks to and even though you may have an opinion on the games, your opinion does not necessarily reflect the general non-SKT/Bisu fanboy populace. lol okay bro. For one, giving text recommendations IS an accepted format. People have done it plenty of times in the past, and nowhere does it say polls are required. For another, what does this have to do with SKT/Bisu fans? Those games were BAD, and I don't care who was playing. I didn't recommend Fantasy's or SoO's games either, even though they won. Game 2 was not better than games 1 and 3 in any way, and yet people, quite predictably, voted yes for no reason other than Bisu lost. This was my way of eliminating bias and give recommendations solely on the actual value of the games themselves. Lastly, if you don't want me to make OPs, no problem. But it's not like I called dibs on this thread days early; this match had no thread at barely half an hour before it started, so if it bothers you, maybe you should get to it and make it yourself instead waiting for someone else to do it and then bitching. I don't think you understand what I'm saying here. Recommendations are based on the enjoyability of the game not "how good you the OP think the game is". A one liner that's copy and pasted for every game that states how crappy "you the OP" think each game is goes against this principle. You've managed to find a handful of games that have worded recommendations amongst the thousands of LR threads that are out there. Good for you. But it's the exception, not the norm. I think you're selling the bw community short when you do things like this.
Oh, I assure you, I spent no longer than 3 minutes randomly sampling old LR threads before finding a good 10 that used text recommendations. I could have included more, but I was hoping you'd get the point: It is far from being the exception.
The reason I chose not to include the polls was because there was a blatant discrepancy between them. Game 2 is recommended, while Games 1 and 3 were not, when all three were almost exactly the same. The victor goes for an aggressive attack, and the loser fails in his defense and dies completely (or attempts to pull off a really poor base trade, lol ZerO). What was different about Game 2 that warranted it a recommendation and Games 1 and 3 didn't? Oh right. Nothing. Except that it was Bisu who lost.
If you're a Bisu hater, there is little doubt that you might find Game 2 enjoyable, but the recommended games is not targeted at people who like watching Bisu fail. It's for people who want to watch really good games, and I would challenge you to somehow justify that the polls were accurate and that it was somehow a great game of BW, while sets 1 and 3 weren't. I don't mean to speak for every PL watcher or silence their opinions, but at the same time, I'm not going to go ahead and let people waste their time getting hyped up for what they anticipate, based on the polls, is going to be an epic match between two great players, and then get disappointed by a 6 minute ling all in.
And once again, if you think that by spending my time making an LR thread for this match when it's needed, then trying to direct viewers towards the only game that wasn't some short failure-ridden slaughterfest is "selling the BW community short," then I suggest you get off your ass and make the LR threads yourself. There was plenty of time for you to do it; the only reason I bothered was because the match was going to start and there was no thread. Pretty sure having no LR thread at all hurts the BW community more than my attempts to save them from awful games.
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On February 23 2012 14:43 Kiett wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 12:39 aupstar wrote:On February 23 2012 10:36 Kiett wrote:On February 23 2012 09:58 aupstar wrote:
If you're not going to update OP with recommended games, don't create the thread.
There is a format that everyone sticks to and even though you may have an opinion on the games, your opinion does not necessarily reflect the general non-SKT/Bisu fanboy populace. lol okay bro. For one, giving text recommendations IS an accepted format. People have done it plenty of times in the past, and nowhere does it say polls are required. For another, what does this have to do with SKT/Bisu fans? Those games were BAD, and I don't care who was playing. I didn't recommend Fantasy's or SoO's games either, even though they won. Game 2 was not better than games 1 and 3 in any way, and yet people, quite predictably, voted yes for no reason other than Bisu lost. This was my way of eliminating bias and give recommendations solely on the actual value of the games themselves. Lastly, if you don't want me to make OPs, no problem. But it's not like I called dibs on this thread days early; this match had no thread at barely half an hour before it started, so if it bothers you, maybe you should get to it and make it yourself instead waiting for someone else to do it and then bitching. I don't think you understand what I'm saying here. Recommendations are based on the enjoyability of the game not "how good you the OP think the game is". A one liner that's copy and pasted for every game that states how crappy "you the OP" think each game is goes against this principle. You've managed to find a handful of games that have worded recommendations amongst the thousands of LR threads that are out there. Good for you. But it's the exception, not the norm. I think you're selling the bw community short when you do things like this. Oh, I assure you, I spent no longer than 3 minutes randomly sampling old LR threads before finding a good 10 that used text recommendations. I could have included more, but I was hoping you'd get the point: It is far from being the exception. The reason I chose not to include the polls was because there was a blatant discrepancy between them. Game 2 is recommended, while Games 1 and 3 were not, when all three were almost exactly the same. The victor goes for an aggressive attack, and the loser fails in his defense and dies completely (or attempts to pull off a really poor base trade, lol ZerO). What was different about Game 2 that warranted it a recommendation and Games 1 and 3 didn't? Oh right. Nothing. Except that it was Bisu who lost. If you're a Bisu hater, there is little doubt that you might find Game 2 enjoyable, but the recommended games is not targeted at people who like watching Bisu fail. It's for people who want to watch really good games, and I would challenge you to somehow justify that the polls were accurate and that it was somehow a great game of BW, while sets 1 and 3 weren't. I don't mean to speak for every PL watcher or silence their opinions, but at the same time, I'm not going to go ahead and let people waste their time getting hyped up for what they anticipate, based on the polls, is going to be an epic match between two great players, and then get disappointed by a 6 minute ling all in. And once again, if you think that by spending my time making an LR thread for this match when it's needed, then trying to direct viewers towards the only game that wasn't some short failure-ridden slaughterfest is "selling the BW community short," then I suggest you get off your ass and make the LR threads yourself. There was plenty of time for you to do it; the only reason I bothered was because the match was going to start and there was no thread. Pretty sure having no LR thread at all hurts the BW community more than my attempts to save them from awful games.
hahaha
okok
Perhaps I'm over thinking things..
Our discussion is pretty pointless if you think about it..o.O It doesn't really matter..:[
Thanks for the LR thread.
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Awesome matchups
Wdf games
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Hahahah Kiett i totally see what you are saying
BUT just like how bisu played that forward gateway vs flash in 2011, is it not possible that the ling all in was a result of some sort of meta game?
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On February 23 2012 12:39 aupstar wrote:
I think you're selling the bw community short when you do things like this.
I think you're overreacting. Kiett have been a valuable contributor to the BW scene and it is wrong of you to accuse her.
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On February 23 2012 15:57 Jindo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 12:39 aupstar wrote:
I think you're selling the bw community short when you do things like this. I think you're overreacting. Kiett have been a valuable contributor to the BW scene and it is wrong of you to accuse her.
He already acknowledged his overreaction like 2 posts up.
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Overreacting is FUN I STAND IN DEFENSE OF KIETT
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I think games 1and 2 are perfectly fine to watch. They are excellent examples of how excellent players make mistakes that can be taken advantage of. Maybe now people will start looking for the small mistakes that flash makes.
It's unfair to say that they just rolled over died. Both losers made an effort.
Rolling over and dying is kwanro vs calm 5pool vs 12hatch
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On February 23 2012 17:57 Release wrote:
I think games 1and 2 are perfectly fine to watch. They are excellent examples of how excellent players make mistakes that can be taken advantage of. Maybe now people will start looking for the small mistakes that flash makes.
It's unfair to say that they just rolled over died. Both losers made an effort.
Rolling over and dying is kwanro vs calm 5pool vs 12hatch
Perhaps I didn't phrase it optimally, but the description was far from inaccurate. What does it matter how much "effort" Bisu puts into trying to attack zerglings with probes? As soon as those lings got into the nat and took down the cannon, that game was over unless Soulkey dropped dead from an aneurysm. Game 1 was roughly the same situation, where once the failure of a wall was put down (tanks spawn to the left of the factory outside of the base, forcing a barracks lift to get them inside), it didn't matter how much effort Light put in trying to fight Hydras with SCVs. He was dead in the water, and even he knew that; hell, he didn't even try to fight out the mutas and GG'd as soon as he saw the spire.
I mean, if you're interested in Pros making mistakes and failing, nobody's stopping you from watching the games. Feel free. I'm just assuming that that's not what most people look for in games. The fact that the last Flash vs. Jaedong was so overwhelmingly not recommended (78% No) gives proof to that, even though there was actually a lot more to that game than Flash rolling over JD in 8 minutes.
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On February 23 2012 19:01 Ryo wrote:
Guemchi has joined ACE.
what
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On February 23 2012 14:43 Kiett wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 12:39 aupstar wrote:On February 23 2012 10:36 Kiett wrote:On February 23 2012 09:58 aupstar wrote:
If you're not going to update OP with recommended games, don't create the thread.
There is a format that everyone sticks to and even though you may have an opinion on the games, your opinion does not necessarily reflect the general non-SKT/Bisu fanboy populace. lol okay bro. For one, giving text recommendations IS an accepted format. People have done it plenty of times in the past, and nowhere does it say polls are required. For another, what does this have to do with SKT/Bisu fans? Those games were BAD, and I don't care who was playing. I didn't recommend Fantasy's or SoO's games either, even though they won. Game 2 was not better than games 1 and 3 in any way, and yet people, quite predictably, voted yes for no reason other than Bisu lost. This was my way of eliminating bias and give recommendations solely on the actual value of the games themselves. Lastly, if you don't want me to make OPs, no problem. But it's not like I called dibs on this thread days early; this match had no thread at barely half an hour before it started, so if it bothers you, maybe you should get to it and make it yourself instead waiting for someone else to do it and then bitching. I don't think you understand what I'm saying here. Recommendations are based on the enjoyability of the game not "how good you the OP think the game is". A one liner that's copy and pasted for every game that states how crappy "you the OP" think each game is goes against this principle. You've managed to find a handful of games that have worded recommendations amongst the thousands of LR threads that are out there. Good for you. But it's the exception, not the norm. I think you're selling the bw community short when you do things like this. Oh, I assure you, I spent no longer than 3 minutes randomly sampling old LR threads before finding a good 10 that used text recommendations. I could have included more, but I was hoping you'd get the point: It is far from being the exception. The reason I chose not to include the polls was because there was a blatant discrepancy between them. Game 2 is recommended, while Games 1 and 3 were not, when all three were almost exactly the same. The victor goes for an aggressive attack, and the loser fails in his defense and dies completely (or attempts to pull off a really poor base trade, lol ZerO). What was different about Game 2 that warranted it a recommendation and Games 1 and 3 didn't? Oh right. Nothing. Except that it was Bisu who lost. If you're a Bisu hater, there is little doubt that you might find Game 2 enjoyable, but the recommended games is not targeted at people who like watching Bisu fail. It's for people who want to watch really good games, and I would challenge you to somehow justify that the polls were accurate and that it was somehow a great game of BW, while sets 1 and 3 weren't. I don't mean to speak for every PL watcher or silence their opinions, but at the same time, I'm not going to go ahead and let people waste their time getting hyped up for what they anticipate, based on the polls, is going to be an epic match between two great players, and then get disappointed by a 6 minute ling all in. And once again, if you think that by spending my time making an LR thread for this match when it's needed, then trying to direct viewers towards the only game that wasn't some short failure-ridden slaughterfest is "selling the BW community short," then I suggest you get off your ass and make the LR threads yourself. There was plenty of time for you to do it; the only reason I bothered was because the match was going to start and there was no thread. Pretty sure having no LR thread at all hurts the BW community more than my attempts to save them from awful games.
Actually if you look at it from a completely neutral point of view and analyze the games, that is not true at all.
Game 1 was Light failing by lifting his barracks and letting the hydras in, but with that wall position and the build order Soo chose, there wasn't really much he could have done except choose a better build order.
Game 2 was actually not Bisu's fault at all. It wasn't an all-in from SK until he realized Bisu fell for his mind game. Bisu expected that SK went for a fast third in the usual positions (watch the vods, you can see that he sends his probe out to scout for the third) which would then go into a macro game. SK's strategy of taking the close expo to Bisu completely fooled him, and allowed him to sneak out lings which could avoid Bisu's scout probe in his main. That is why Bisu failed to wall and block the cannon. Since he was expecting a fast third, he didn't think there would be 8 lings waiting outside his main that early. The only real clue was the gas timing and the fact that the lair wasn't started in the main, but SK could have potentially put his lair at the 3rd so there was no real way for him to check unless he scouted it. Game 2 should definitely be recommended for the high level strategy if nothing else.
Game 3 was just complete fail by Zero, since going for a backstab against terran never works.
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On February 23 2012 19:01 Ryo wrote:
Guemchi has joined ACE.
Nice, Guemchi fighting!
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such a great potential these games were
and such lame ass games they turned out to be....
disappointment to say the least
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On February 23 2012 20:04 Musou wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 14:43 Kiett wrote:On February 23 2012 12:39 aupstar wrote:On February 23 2012 10:36 Kiett wrote:On February 23 2012 09:58 aupstar wrote:
If you're not going to update OP with recommended games, don't create the thread.
There is a format that everyone sticks to and even though you may have an opinion on the games, your opinion does not necessarily reflect the general non-SKT/Bisu fanboy populace. lol okay bro. For one, giving text recommendations IS an accepted format. People have done it plenty of times in the past, and nowhere does it say polls are required. For another, what does this have to do with SKT/Bisu fans? Those games were BAD, and I don't care who was playing. I didn't recommend Fantasy's or SoO's games either, even though they won. Game 2 was not better than games 1 and 3 in any way, and yet people, quite predictably, voted yes for no reason other than Bisu lost. This was my way of eliminating bias and give recommendations solely on the actual value of the games themselves. Lastly, if you don't want me to make OPs, no problem. But it's not like I called dibs on this thread days early; this match had no thread at barely half an hour before it started, so if it bothers you, maybe you should get to it and make it yourself instead waiting for someone else to do it and then bitching. I don't think you understand what I'm saying here. Recommendations are based on the enjoyability of the game not "how good you the OP think the game is". A one liner that's copy and pasted for every game that states how crappy "you the OP" think each game is goes against this principle. You've managed to find a handful of games that have worded recommendations amongst the thousands of LR threads that are out there. Good for you. But it's the exception, not the norm. I think you're selling the bw community short when you do things like this. Oh, I assure you, I spent no longer than 3 minutes randomly sampling old LR threads before finding a good 10 that used text recommendations. I could have included more, but I was hoping you'd get the point: It is far from being the exception. The reason I chose not to include the polls was because there was a blatant discrepancy between them. Game 2 is recommended, while Games 1 and 3 were not, when all three were almost exactly the same. The victor goes for an aggressive attack, and the loser fails in his defense and dies completely (or attempts to pull off a really poor base trade, lol ZerO). What was different about Game 2 that warranted it a recommendation and Games 1 and 3 didn't? Oh right. Nothing. Except that it was Bisu who lost. If you're a Bisu hater, there is little doubt that you might find Game 2 enjoyable, but the recommended games is not targeted at people who like watching Bisu fail. It's for people who want to watch really good games, and I would challenge you to somehow justify that the polls were accurate and that it was somehow a great game of BW, while sets 1 and 3 weren't. I don't mean to speak for every PL watcher or silence their opinions, but at the same time, I'm not going to go ahead and let people waste their time getting hyped up for what they anticipate, based on the polls, is going to be an epic match between two great players, and then get disappointed by a 6 minute ling all in. And once again, if you think that by spending my time making an LR thread for this match when it's needed, then trying to direct viewers towards the only game that wasn't some short failure-ridden slaughterfest is "selling the BW community short," then I suggest you get off your ass and make the LR threads yourself. There was plenty of time for you to do it; the only reason I bothered was because the match was going to start and there was no thread. Pretty sure having no LR thread at all hurts the BW community more than my attempts to save them from awful games. Actually if you look at it from a completely neutral point of view and analyze the games, that is not true at all. Game 1 was Light failing by lifting his barracks and letting the hydras in, but with that wall position and the build order Soo chose, there wasn't really much he could have done except choose a better build order. Game 2 was actually not Bisu's fault at all. It wasn't an all-in from SK until he realized Bisu fell for his mind game. Bisu expected that SK went for a fast third in the usual positions (watch the vods, you can see that he sends his probe out to scout for the third) which would then go into a macro game. SK's strategy of taking the close expo to Bisu completely fooled him, and allowed him to sneak out lings which could avoid Bisu's scout probe in his main. That is why Bisu failed to wall and block the cannon. Since he was expecting a fast third, he didn't think there would be 8 lings waiting outside his main that early. The only real clue was the gas timing and the fact that the lair wasn't started in the main, but SK could have potentially put his lair at the 3rd so there was no real way for him to check unless he scouted it. Game 2 should definitely be recommended for the high level strategy if nothing else. Game 3 was just complete fail by Zero, since going for a backstab against terran never works.
You're right in that perhaps Game 2 wasn't completely identical to the other two, but not recommending it is still consistent with the interests of the general viewing populace, as has been shown in previous matches. Compare Bisu vs. Soulkey with the last Flash vs. Jaedong match. Both games involved 2 high caliber players in a matchup that everyone was hyped up and excited about. Both games ended disappointingly in one player steamrolling over the other in 8 minutes or less. In both games, mind games play the largest role in deciding the victor, with Flash/Soulkey trying to bait Jaedong/Bisu into being greedy and attempting to get away with insufficient amounts of static defense, and JD/Bisu falling for it due to lack of scouting information, and getting crushed immediately for it. Hell, pretty much every game Flash has played this season represents the pinnacle of BW strategic development. And you know what? Nobody liked the FvJ game. It was overwhelmingly not recommended, with 61 No votes against 14 Yes. Kind of just shows that what people want when it comes to a good game is not mind games and high level strategy, but rather long games that are action-packed and go back and forth. Just because more people hate Bisu than they do Jaedong does not mean this game deserves recommendations more than that one did. And if you think both are worthy of recommendation, then that's fine. But I believe in consistency, and the polls definitely did not reflect that, which is why I chose to discard them. If the actual description of the game is inaccurate, then I'll change it, but tbh it's not my duty to analyze or summarize the game, merely to say if it was worth watching or not, based on the general trends of PL viewers that aren't blatantly anti-fans of a particular player.
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I'm sorry, but the recomended section contain the games description and it's the last thing anyone expect to see there.
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Well no point making all the pointless rage at kiett because she is the one who created the LR thread and design so she is the boss . Nonetheless, it may be a little bias because of her rage at people recommending the game where bisu lost and the other two games which were not . Still I can't bite the hand that feeds me right ? ^_^.
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On February 23 2012 21:23 Kiett wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 20:04 Musou wrote:On February 23 2012 14:43 Kiett wrote:On February 23 2012 12:39 aupstar wrote:On February 23 2012 10:36 Kiett wrote:On February 23 2012 09:58 aupstar wrote:
If you're not going to update OP with recommended games, don't create the thread.
There is a format that everyone sticks to and even though you may have an opinion on the games, your opinion does not necessarily reflect the general non-SKT/Bisu fanboy populace. lol okay bro. For one, giving text recommendations IS an accepted format. People have done it plenty of times in the past, and nowhere does it say polls are required. For another, what does this have to do with SKT/Bisu fans? Those games were BAD, and I don't care who was playing. I didn't recommend Fantasy's or SoO's games either, even though they won. Game 2 was not better than games 1 and 3 in any way, and yet people, quite predictably, voted yes for no reason other than Bisu lost. This was my way of eliminating bias and give recommendations solely on the actual value of the games themselves. Lastly, if you don't want me to make OPs, no problem. But it's not like I called dibs on this thread days early; this match had no thread at barely half an hour before it started, so if it bothers you, maybe you should get to it and make it yourself instead waiting for someone else to do it and then bitching. I don't think you understand what I'm saying here. Recommendations are based on the enjoyability of the game not "how good you the OP think the game is". A one liner that's copy and pasted for every game that states how crappy "you the OP" think each game is goes against this principle. You've managed to find a handful of games that have worded recommendations amongst the thousands of LR threads that are out there. Good for you. But it's the exception, not the norm. I think you're selling the bw community short when you do things like this. Oh, I assure you, I spent no longer than 3 minutes randomly sampling old LR threads before finding a good 10 that used text recommendations. I could have included more, but I was hoping you'd get the point: It is far from being the exception. The reason I chose not to include the polls was because there was a blatant discrepancy between them. Game 2 is recommended, while Games 1 and 3 were not, when all three were almost exactly the same. The victor goes for an aggressive attack, and the loser fails in his defense and dies completely (or attempts to pull off a really poor base trade, lol ZerO). What was different about Game 2 that warranted it a recommendation and Games 1 and 3 didn't? Oh right. Nothing. Except that it was Bisu who lost. If you're a Bisu hater, there is little doubt that you might find Game 2 enjoyable, but the recommended games is not targeted at people who like watching Bisu fail. It's for people who want to watch really good games, and I would challenge you to somehow justify that the polls were accurate and that it was somehow a great game of BW, while sets 1 and 3 weren't. I don't mean to speak for every PL watcher or silence their opinions, but at the same time, I'm not going to go ahead and let people waste their time getting hyped up for what they anticipate, based on the polls, is going to be an epic match between two great players, and then get disappointed by a 6 minute ling all in. And once again, if you think that by spending my time making an LR thread for this match when it's needed, then trying to direct viewers towards the only game that wasn't some short failure-ridden slaughterfest is "selling the BW community short," then I suggest you get off your ass and make the LR threads yourself. There was plenty of time for you to do it; the only reason I bothered was because the match was going to start and there was no thread. Pretty sure having no LR thread at all hurts the BW community more than my attempts to save them from awful games. Actually if you look at it from a completely neutral point of view and analyze the games, that is not true at all. Game 1 was Light failing by lifting his barracks and letting the hydras in, but with that wall position and the build order Soo chose, there wasn't really much he could have done except choose a better build order. Game 2 was actually not Bisu's fault at all. It wasn't an all-in from SK until he realized Bisu fell for his mind game. Bisu expected that SK went for a fast third in the usual positions (watch the vods, you can see that he sends his probe out to scout for the third) which would then go into a macro game. SK's strategy of taking the close expo to Bisu completely fooled him, and allowed him to sneak out lings which could avoid Bisu's scout probe in his main. That is why Bisu failed to wall and block the cannon. Since he was expecting a fast third, he didn't think there would be 8 lings waiting outside his main that early. The only real clue was the gas timing and the fact that the lair wasn't started in the main, but SK could have potentially put his lair at the 3rd so there was no real way for him to check unless he scouted it. Game 2 should definitely be recommended for the high level strategy if nothing else. Game 3 was just complete fail by Zero, since going for a backstab against terran never works. You're right in that perhaps Game 2 wasn't completely identical to the other two, but not recommending it is still consistent with the interests of the general viewing populace, as has been shown in previous matches. Compare Bisu vs. Soulkey with the last Flash vs. Jaedong match. Both games involved 2 high caliber players in a matchup that everyone was hyped up and excited about. Both games ended disappointingly in one player steamrolling over the other in 8 minutes or less. In both games, mind games play the largest role in deciding the victor, with Flash/Soulkey trying to bait Jaedong/Bisu into being greedy and attempting to get away with insufficient amounts of static defense, and JD/Bisu falling for it due to lack of scouting information, and getting crushed immediately for it. Hell, pretty much every game Flash has played this season represents the pinnacle of BW strategic development. And you know what? Nobody liked the FvJ game. It was overwhelmingly not recommended, with 61 No votes against 14 Yes. Kind of just shows that what people want when it comes to a good game is not mind games and high level strategy, but rather long games that are action-packed and go back and forth. Just because more people hate Bisu than they do Jaedong does not mean this game deserves recommendations more than that one did. And if you think both are worthy of recommendation, then that's fine. But I believe in consistency, and the polls definitely did not reflect that, which is why I chose to discard them. If the actual description of the game is inaccurate, then I'll change it, but tbh it's not my duty to analyze or summarize the game, merely to say if it was worth watching or not, based on the general trends of PL viewers that aren't blatantly anti-fans of a particular player.
I definitely do think that FvJ game was worthy of recommendation, but you are correct in that most people don't appreciate mind games and strategy and just want to see a tense back and forth macrofest. While I do enjoy those games as well, I also appreciate the subtle things players do. I think a neutral opinion would be "Do not watch if you want a macro game, but if you like mindgames then do" or something to that extent because otherwise someone like myself might pass over it and miss out on an unusual game. Oddly enough, people recommended that Flash vs Best game despite it not being as high level and simply being a bunker rush.
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On February 23 2012 19:01 Ryo wrote:
Guemchi has joined ACE.
Now this ..... this is an unexpected post.
This deserve it's own thread.
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