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On January 04 2012 21:59 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 18:38 Iplaythings wrote:On January 04 2012 17:05 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On January 04 2012 04:06 George_the_man wrote:On January 04 2012 04:02 Vuk_91 wrote:
It might be strange to say this for a team that has Flash,but I think that KT is very,very unstable team. You never know what to expect from Action,Crazy-Hydra,Mind and Perfective... And all the zergs in the team are pretty much dead if they run into a terran no matter how bad the terran is. And their Terran and Protoss lineups are really terrible if you don`t count Flash and Stats. The only thing they have working for them is very clutch play every time it matters. no doubt u never know what result u can get when u play KT , but the Terran and Protoss lineup is not that horrible.. Stats got Wooki now who hopefully will show some good games, and Flash got Mind now so its much better than in last season It's not so much that their P and T lines are horrible so much as they are paper thin. Their T line basically IS flash. I don't get the hype people still have for mind, there was a time he was a genuinely good player with awesome solid play, but that was a long time ago, he hasn't shown any extended period of even decent play for a very very long time. Their P line IS basically Stats at the moment, who is himself very unstable. As much as I like wookie, and I do alot, I would heavily rate his chances were he have been in any other current pl team, KT just has a terrible record with players they have bought/acquired. ForGG, Luxury, Crazy-Hydra, Action were either promising players or former starleague winners somewhat over the hill when KT got them, every single one of them have fluctuated between only having decent contributions to the team for short periods or totally sucking. People on KT that perform well enough to really carry through a season tend to be homegrown talent. Which currently, generally results in Flash every season, Stats when he feels like not playing like an ass, and Hoejja suddenly playing well out of nowhere, with everyone else pretty much obtaining 50%like records if kt is lucky. + Show Spoiler [why do I respond to this..] +discount individual leagues and 1 streak in PL stats has been consistent. Don't try to argue otherwise it'd make you look like a fool. Action is unstable, CH is unstable and Hoejja is unstable but don't brand stats with unstable, it's like people trying to keep on trying to claim to "yadda yadda bisu has weird and bad pvt" and "yadda yadda fantasy is inconsistent", you see where I am getting at?
Luxury won his MSL while being on KT, Action was just as unstable on eStro, CH and fOrGG has underperformed, which is the only thing I want to agree to, and each one has contributed to the team..
Why do I even bother..
+ Show Spoiler [you respond cos your a kt, and presume…] +
Firstly, I'm going to completely disregard all starleague results in principle because even if someone wins every single individual title in a season, that does nothing to help his team.
Aside from that I pretty much disagree with everything you just said. I think you confuse being unstable with being plain mediocre. Your zerg trio are just plain mediocre, they also happen to be streaky, but that's mainly because they arn't that good in general. Bad players are excused from being unstable, because frankly it often comes down to the luck of the draw anyway.
Stats on the other hand is unstable. If anything for him that's a compliment, because it means he is good enough of a player that he is expected to anchor out a sort of secondary ace position of KT. His record is full of win/loss streaks of 3 or more, given the context of pl, that pretty much means he is winning 80% of games in one subseason, and barely keeping 50% the next. This is not like he's just getting lucky/unlucky, his level of play actually fluctuates between breathtaking and facepalm, and probably to a greater degree than his record.
As for luxury wining his MSL, again individual leagues have no bearing on how well the team fairs on pl, he has contributed consistently to KT for all of about half a subseason before he slumped again then retired, and forgg for even less than that.
As for Bisu and Fantasy, I think their reputations in both cases are pretty justified. Sure, Bisu does get results in PvT these days, but it used to be rubbish compared to his other matchups, and even now he still makes some very ... questionable.... decisions from time to time but gets away with it through mechanics and very tight play throughout the rest of the game. Fantasy has massively padded results from his individual league performance, if you look at only his proleague performance, he is the poster boy of inconsistency, even more so than Stats.
Streaky, inconsistent, unstable doesn't mean they are bad, on the contrary it just means we have certain expectations of a player of their calibre, and the degree to which they meet, or fail to meet, those expectations fluctuates wildly over time.
Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 19:24 sviatoslavrichter wrote:On January 04 2012 17:05 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On January 04 2012 04:06 George_the_man wrote:On January 04 2012 04:02 Vuk_91 wrote:
It might be strange to say this for a team that has Flash,but I think that KT is very,very unstable team. You never know what to expect from Action,Crazy-Hydra,Mind and Perfective... And all the zergs in the team are pretty much dead if they run into a terran no matter how bad the terran is. And their Terran and Protoss lineups are really terrible if you don`t count Flash and Stats. The only thing they have working for them is very clutch play every time it matters. no doubt u never know what result u can get when u play KT , but the Terran and Protoss lineup is not that horrible.. Stats got Wooki now who hopefully will show some good games, and Flash got Mind now so its much better than in last season It's not so much that their P and T lines are horrible so much as they are paper thin. Their T line basically IS flash. I don't get the hype people still have for mind, there was a time he was a genuinely good player with awesome solid play, but that was a long time ago, he hasn't shown any extended period of even decent play for a very very long time. Their P line IS basically Stats at the moment, who is himself very unstable. As much as I like wookie, and I do alot, I would heavily rate his chances were he have been in any other current pl team, KT just has a terrible record with players they have bought/acquired. ForGG, Luxury, Crazy-Hydra, Action were either promising players or former starleague winners somewhat over the hill when KT got them, every single one of them have fluctuated between only having decent contributions to the team for short periods or totally sucking. People on KT that perform well enough to really carry through a season tend to be homegrown talent. Which currently, generally results in Flash every season, Stats when he feels like not playing like an ass, and Hoejja suddenly playing well out of nowhere, with everyone else pretty much obtaining 50%like records if kt is lucky. CH and Action are not over the hill, and I doubt KT has paid that much for those two. ForGG and Luxury, yes, along with the KT of old acquiring big names. Wooki has been winning games. I expect to see a lot more out of him. But yes, KT has been one of the shallower P lines, and one of the thinner teams overall (always has been) but you have to remember that this due to Violet getting leukemia rather than some fault on the team's end. I didn't say CH or action were over the hill they would come under "were promising". But yeah given that my entire point was that KT isn't a bad team, rather that they are a fragile one pretty much means we're in total agreement aside from how we think wookie will turn out doesn't it?
There's a pretty big difference between shallow and unstable. Yes KT's P line is thin, but that's because one of our protosses has cancer, not because our other protoss is streaky.
Furthermore, by your logic, nearly every team in Proleague has a "thin/unstable" roster. None of the teams have more than 3 players in the top 10 by overall win %, and even CJ with its vaunted depth is still quite MU dependent compared to the other teams.
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On January 04 2012 22:35 sviatoslavrichter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 21:59 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On January 04 2012 18:38 Iplaythings wrote:On January 04 2012 17:05 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On January 04 2012 04:06 George_the_man wrote:On January 04 2012 04:02 Vuk_91 wrote:
It might be strange to say this for a team that has Flash,but I think that KT is very,very unstable team. You never know what to expect from Action,Crazy-Hydra,Mind and Perfective... And all the zergs in the team are pretty much dead if they run into a terran no matter how bad the terran is. And their Terran and Protoss lineups are really terrible if you don`t count Flash and Stats. The only thing they have working for them is very clutch play every time it matters. no doubt u never know what result u can get when u play KT , but the Terran and Protoss lineup is not that horrible.. Stats got Wooki now who hopefully will show some good games, and Flash got Mind now so its much better than in last season It's not so much that their P and T lines are horrible so much as they are paper thin. Their T line basically IS flash. I don't get the hype people still have for mind, there was a time he was a genuinely good player with awesome solid play, but that was a long time ago, he hasn't shown any extended period of even decent play for a very very long time. Their P line IS basically Stats at the moment, who is himself very unstable. As much as I like wookie, and I do alot, I would heavily rate his chances were he have been in any other current pl team, KT just has a terrible record with players they have bought/acquired. ForGG, Luxury, Crazy-Hydra, Action were either promising players or former starleague winners somewhat over the hill when KT got them, every single one of them have fluctuated between only having decent contributions to the team for short periods or totally sucking. People on KT that perform well enough to really carry through a season tend to be homegrown talent. Which currently, generally results in Flash every season, Stats when he feels like not playing like an ass, and Hoejja suddenly playing well out of nowhere, with everyone else pretty much obtaining 50%like records if kt is lucky. + Show Spoiler [why do I respond to this..] +discount individual leagues and 1 streak in PL stats has been consistent. Don't try to argue otherwise it'd make you look like a fool. Action is unstable, CH is unstable and Hoejja is unstable but don't brand stats with unstable, it's like people trying to keep on trying to claim to "yadda yadda bisu has weird and bad pvt" and "yadda yadda fantasy is inconsistent", you see where I am getting at?
Luxury won his MSL while being on KT, Action was just as unstable on eStro, CH and fOrGG has underperformed, which is the only thing I want to agree to, and each one has contributed to the team..
Why do I even bother..
+ Show Spoiler [you respond cos your a kt, and presume…] +
Firstly, I'm going to completely disregard all starleague results in principle because even if someone wins every single individual title in a season, that does nothing to help his team.
Aside from that I pretty much disagree with everything you just said. I think you confuse being unstable with being plain mediocre. Your zerg trio are just plain mediocre, they also happen to be streaky, but that's mainly because they arn't that good in general. Bad players are excused from being unstable, because frankly it often comes down to the luck of the draw anyway.
Stats on the other hand is unstable. If anything for him that's a compliment, because it means he is good enough of a player that he is expected to anchor out a sort of secondary ace position of KT. His record is full of win/loss streaks of 3 or more, given the context of pl, that pretty much means he is winning 80% of games in one subseason, and barely keeping 50% the next. This is not like he's just getting lucky/unlucky, his level of play actually fluctuates between breathtaking and facepalm, and probably to a greater degree than his record.
As for luxury wining his MSL, again individual leagues have no bearing on how well the team fairs on pl, he has contributed consistently to KT for all of about half a subseason before he slumped again then retired, and forgg for even less than that.
As for Bisu and Fantasy, I think their reputations in both cases are pretty justified. Sure, Bisu does get results in PvT these days, but it used to be rubbish compared to his other matchups, and even now he still makes some very ... questionable.... decisions from time to time but gets away with it through mechanics and very tight play throughout the rest of the game. Fantasy has massively padded results from his individual league performance, if you look at only his proleague performance, he is the poster boy of inconsistency, even more so than Stats.
Streaky, inconsistent, unstable doesn't mean they are bad, on the contrary it just means we have certain expectations of a player of their calibre, and the degree to which they meet, or fail to meet, those expectations fluctuates wildly over time.
On January 04 2012 19:24 sviatoslavrichter wrote:On January 04 2012 17:05 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On January 04 2012 04:06 George_the_man wrote:On January 04 2012 04:02 Vuk_91 wrote:
It might be strange to say this for a team that has Flash,but I think that KT is very,very unstable team. You never know what to expect from Action,Crazy-Hydra,Mind and Perfective... And all the zergs in the team are pretty much dead if they run into a terran no matter how bad the terran is. And their Terran and Protoss lineups are really terrible if you don`t count Flash and Stats. The only thing they have working for them is very clutch play every time it matters. no doubt u never know what result u can get when u play KT , but the Terran and Protoss lineup is not that horrible.. Stats got Wooki now who hopefully will show some good games, and Flash got Mind now so its much better than in last season It's not so much that their P and T lines are horrible so much as they are paper thin. Their T line basically IS flash. I don't get the hype people still have for mind, there was a time he was a genuinely good player with awesome solid play, but that was a long time ago, he hasn't shown any extended period of even decent play for a very very long time. Their P line IS basically Stats at the moment, who is himself very unstable. As much as I like wookie, and I do alot, I would heavily rate his chances were he have been in any other current pl team, KT just has a terrible record with players they have bought/acquired. ForGG, Luxury, Crazy-Hydra, Action were either promising players or former starleague winners somewhat over the hill when KT got them, every single one of them have fluctuated between only having decent contributions to the team for short periods or totally sucking. People on KT that perform well enough to really carry through a season tend to be homegrown talent. Which currently, generally results in Flash every season, Stats when he feels like not playing like an ass, and Hoejja suddenly playing well out of nowhere, with everyone else pretty much obtaining 50%like records if kt is lucky. CH and Action are not over the hill, and I doubt KT has paid that much for those two. ForGG and Luxury, yes, along with the KT of old acquiring big names. Wooki has been winning games. I expect to see a lot more out of him. But yes, KT has been one of the shallower P lines, and one of the thinner teams overall (always has been) but you have to remember that this due to Violet getting leukemia rather than some fault on the team's end. I didn't say CH or action were over the hill they would come under "were promising". But yeah given that my entire point was that KT isn't a bad team, rather that they are a fragile one pretty much means we're in total agreement aside from how we think wookie will turn out doesn't it? There's a pretty big difference between shallow and unstable. Yes KT's P line is thin, but that's because one of our protosses has cancer, not because our other protoss is streaky. Furthermore, by your logic, nearly every team in Proleague has a "thin/unstable" roster. None of the teams have more than 3 players in the top 10 by overall win %, and even CJ with its vaunted depth is still quite MU dependent compared to the other teams.
Pardon me, but you don't even have a point. So Violet can't play now, thus you have Stats, who is fine, and Wooki who more likely than not will be busy dealing with post-transfer problem (it's normal for most, and hopefully he can break out of is soon). How does Violet's illness pad your P line's thinness?
1 Player per Line is thin. Team 8 is not thin cos they have 2 players for each Race. SKT's T Line, Woongjin's T line are thin too.
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On January 05 2012 00:38 ffreakk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 22:35 sviatoslavrichter wrote:On January 04 2012 21:59 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On January 04 2012 18:38 Iplaythings wrote:On January 04 2012 17:05 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On January 04 2012 04:06 George_the_man wrote:On January 04 2012 04:02 Vuk_91 wrote:
It might be strange to say this for a team that has Flash,but I think that KT is very,very unstable team. You never know what to expect from Action,Crazy-Hydra,Mind and Perfective... And all the zergs in the team are pretty much dead if they run into a terran no matter how bad the terran is. And their Terran and Protoss lineups are really terrible if you don`t count Flash and Stats. The only thing they have working for them is very clutch play every time it matters. no doubt u never know what result u can get when u play KT , but the Terran and Protoss lineup is not that horrible.. Stats got Wooki now who hopefully will show some good games, and Flash got Mind now so its much better than in last season It's not so much that their P and T lines are horrible so much as they are paper thin. Their T line basically IS flash. I don't get the hype people still have for mind, there was a time he was a genuinely good player with awesome solid play, but that was a long time ago, he hasn't shown any extended period of even decent play for a very very long time. Their P line IS basically Stats at the moment, who is himself very unstable. As much as I like wookie, and I do alot, I would heavily rate his chances were he have been in any other current pl team, KT just has a terrible record with players they have bought/acquired. ForGG, Luxury, Crazy-Hydra, Action were either promising players or former starleague winners somewhat over the hill when KT got them, every single one of them have fluctuated between only having decent contributions to the team for short periods or totally sucking. People on KT that perform well enough to really carry through a season tend to be homegrown talent. Which currently, generally results in Flash every season, Stats when he feels like not playing like an ass, and Hoejja suddenly playing well out of nowhere, with everyone else pretty much obtaining 50%like records if kt is lucky. + Show Spoiler [why do I respond to this..] +discount individual leagues and 1 streak in PL stats has been consistent. Don't try to argue otherwise it'd make you look like a fool. Action is unstable, CH is unstable and Hoejja is unstable but don't brand stats with unstable, it's like people trying to keep on trying to claim to "yadda yadda bisu has weird and bad pvt" and "yadda yadda fantasy is inconsistent", you see where I am getting at?
Luxury won his MSL while being on KT, Action was just as unstable on eStro, CH and fOrGG has underperformed, which is the only thing I want to agree to, and each one has contributed to the team..
Why do I even bother..
+ Show Spoiler [you respond cos your a kt, and presume…] +
Firstly, I'm going to completely disregard all starleague results in principle because even if someone wins every single individual title in a season, that does nothing to help his team.
Aside from that I pretty much disagree with everything you just said. I think you confuse being unstable with being plain mediocre. Your zerg trio are just plain mediocre, they also happen to be streaky, but that's mainly because they arn't that good in general. Bad players are excused from being unstable, because frankly it often comes down to the luck of the draw anyway.
Stats on the other hand is unstable. If anything for him that's a compliment, because it means he is good enough of a player that he is expected to anchor out a sort of secondary ace position of KT. His record is full of win/loss streaks of 3 or more, given the context of pl, that pretty much means he is winning 80% of games in one subseason, and barely keeping 50% the next. This is not like he's just getting lucky/unlucky, his level of play actually fluctuates between breathtaking and facepalm, and probably to a greater degree than his record.
As for luxury wining his MSL, again individual leagues have no bearing on how well the team fairs on pl, he has contributed consistently to KT for all of about half a subseason before he slumped again then retired, and forgg for even less than that.
As for Bisu and Fantasy, I think their reputations in both cases are pretty justified. Sure, Bisu does get results in PvT these days, but it used to be rubbish compared to his other matchups, and even now he still makes some very ... questionable.... decisions from time to time but gets away with it through mechanics and very tight play throughout the rest of the game. Fantasy has massively padded results from his individual league performance, if you look at only his proleague performance, he is the poster boy of inconsistency, even more so than Stats.
Streaky, inconsistent, unstable doesn't mean they are bad, on the contrary it just means we have certain expectations of a player of their calibre, and the degree to which they meet, or fail to meet, those expectations fluctuates wildly over time.
On January 04 2012 19:24 sviatoslavrichter wrote:On January 04 2012 17:05 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On January 04 2012 04:06 George_the_man wrote:On January 04 2012 04:02 Vuk_91 wrote:
It might be strange to say this for a team that has Flash,but I think that KT is very,very unstable team. You never know what to expect from Action,Crazy-Hydra,Mind and Perfective... And all the zergs in the team are pretty much dead if they run into a terran no matter how bad the terran is. And their Terran and Protoss lineups are really terrible if you don`t count Flash and Stats. The only thing they have working for them is very clutch play every time it matters. no doubt u never know what result u can get when u play KT , but the Terran and Protoss lineup is not that horrible.. Stats got Wooki now who hopefully will show some good games, and Flash got Mind now so its much better than in last season It's not so much that their P and T lines are horrible so much as they are paper thin. Their T line basically IS flash. I don't get the hype people still have for mind, there was a time he was a genuinely good player with awesome solid play, but that was a long time ago, he hasn't shown any extended period of even decent play for a very very long time. Their P line IS basically Stats at the moment, who is himself very unstable. As much as I like wookie, and I do alot, I would heavily rate his chances were he have been in any other current pl team, KT just has a terrible record with players they have bought/acquired. ForGG, Luxury, Crazy-Hydra, Action were either promising players or former starleague winners somewhat over the hill when KT got them, every single one of them have fluctuated between only having decent contributions to the team for short periods or totally sucking. People on KT that perform well enough to really carry through a season tend to be homegrown talent. Which currently, generally results in Flash every season, Stats when he feels like not playing like an ass, and Hoejja suddenly playing well out of nowhere, with everyone else pretty much obtaining 50%like records if kt is lucky. CH and Action are not over the hill, and I doubt KT has paid that much for those two. ForGG and Luxury, yes, along with the KT of old acquiring big names. Wooki has been winning games. I expect to see a lot more out of him. But yes, KT has been one of the shallower P lines, and one of the thinner teams overall (always has been) but you have to remember that this due to Violet getting leukemia rather than some fault on the team's end. I didn't say CH or action were over the hill they would come under "were promising". But yeah given that my entire point was that KT isn't a bad team, rather that they are a fragile one pretty much means we're in total agreement aside from how we think wookie will turn out doesn't it? There's a pretty big difference between shallow and unstable. Yes KT's P line is thin, but that's because one of our protosses has cancer, not because our other protoss is streaky. Furthermore, by your logic, nearly every team in Proleague has a "thin/unstable" roster. None of the teams have more than 3 players in the top 10 by overall win %, and even CJ with its vaunted depth is still quite MU dependent compared to the other teams. Pardon me, but you don't even have a point. So Violet can't play now, thus you have Stats, who is fine, and Wooki who more likely than not will be busy dealing with post-transfer problem (it's normal for most, and hopefully he can break out of is soon). How does Violet's illness pad your P line's thinness? 1 Player per Line is thin. Team 8 is not thin cos they have 2 players for each Race. SKT's T Line, Woongjin's T line are thin too.
My point isn't the P line is thin or not; it's that the P line isn't thin because Stats is a streaky player. Stats is not a streaky player; he's as reliable, if not more, than Fantasy (and has won in most head to heads with him as well). You kept claiming that KT's P line was thin because Stats was streaky, ignoring the fact that Violet is a decent protoss who could help but is sick.
Anyhow, this discussion is getting kind of old. If you'd like to leave it at this that would be good, otherwise let's continue via PM.
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Best won because Hydra overdroned ever so slightly (if he only made ~3 extra hydras instead of drones), and because he forgot to put a fucking overlord over his main with the extra hydra support. Such basic stuff, absolutely inexcusable loss. His 3rd/4th were both moderately saturated with gases taken, seriously how much more (terribly) greedy can you get?
Fantasy won due to his mad GG timing skills, a bit of BW skill and Skyhigh's best effort to lose after gaining a massive advantage. Inexcusable loss by CJ, a B+ player could have won that game taking over playing for Skyhigh with that kind of lead.
Bisu won due to BO advantage, can't fault Snow for that as he even managed to stay in the game with his ninja probe scout.
Still, 2-1 so the better team won
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On January 05 2012 03:33 HardMacro wrote:
Fantasy won due to his mad GG timing skills, a bit of BW skill and Skyhigh's best effort to lose after gaining a massive advantage. Inexcusable loss by CJ, a B+ player could have won that game taking over playing for Skyhigh with that kind of lead.
Really? You really think so? TvT is all about positioning. Fantasy was in the lead and not Skyhigh because Fantasy was in a good position. Tank formations like that can be broken with dropships but seeing how fanta had many wraiths, it was not viable.
A B+ player?? lol, I detect sarcasm .... still bullshit
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On January 05 2012 23:55 shaftofpleasure wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 03:33 HardMacro wrote:
Fantasy won due to his mad GG timing skills, a bit of BW skill and Skyhigh's best effort to lose after gaining a massive advantage. Inexcusable loss by CJ, a B+ player could have won that game taking over playing for Skyhigh with that kind of lead.
Really? You really think so? TvT is all about positioning. Fantasy was in the lead and not Skyhigh because Fantasy was in a good position. Tank formations like that can be broken with dropships but seeing how fanta had many wraiths, it was not viable. A B+ player?? lol, I detect sarcasm .... still bullshit
I agree.. Sarcasm or no, a B+ player would have typed out the moment that upslope tank contain was set up. Skyhigh played amazing to even got to the point where he was mildly ahead.. And Fanta had control of the middle at ALL times.. Being behind in supply isn't that bad when your opponent will throw that supply lead away should they want to break your entrenched middle. TvT is more about positioning than Supplies, (though ofc SCVs and supply is impt).
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imo, sKyHigh is the only CJ player that chokes harder than STX.
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WTF? how did CJ get 3-0ed?!!
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On January 06 2012 11:31 FlaShFTW wrote:
WTF? how did CJ get 3-0ed?!!
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On January 04 2012 21:59 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 18:38 Iplaythings wrote:On January 04 2012 17:05 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On January 04 2012 04:06 George_the_man wrote:On January 04 2012 04:02 Vuk_91 wrote:
It might be strange to say this for a team that has Flash,but I think that KT is very,very unstable team. You never know what to expect from Action,Crazy-Hydra,Mind and Perfective... And all the zergs in the team are pretty much dead if they run into a terran no matter how bad the terran is. And their Terran and Protoss lineups are really terrible if you don`t count Flash and Stats. The only thing they have working for them is very clutch play every time it matters. no doubt u never know what result u can get when u play KT , but the Terran and Protoss lineup is not that horrible.. Stats got Wooki now who hopefully will show some good games, and Flash got Mind now so its much better than in last season It's not so much that their P and T lines are horrible so much as they are paper thin. Their T line basically IS flash. I don't get the hype people still have for mind, there was a time he was a genuinely good player with awesome solid play, but that was a long time ago, he hasn't shown any extended period of even decent play for a very very long time. Their P line IS basically Stats at the moment, who is himself very unstable. As much as I like wookie, and I do alot, I would heavily rate his chances were he have been in any other current pl team, KT just has a terrible record with players they have bought/acquired. ForGG, Luxury, Crazy-Hydra, Action were either promising players or former starleague winners somewhat over the hill when KT got them, every single one of them have fluctuated between only having decent contributions to the team for short periods or totally sucking. People on KT that perform well enough to really carry through a season tend to be homegrown talent. Which currently, generally results in Flash every season, Stats when he feels like not playing like an ass, and Hoejja suddenly playing well out of nowhere, with everyone else pretty much obtaining 50%like records if kt is lucky. + Show Spoiler [why do I respond to this..] +discount individual leagues and 1 streak in PL stats has been consistent. Don't try to argue otherwise it'd make you look like a fool. Action is unstable, CH is unstable and Hoejja is unstable but don't brand stats with unstable, it's like people trying to keep on trying to claim to "yadda yadda bisu has weird and bad pvt" and "yadda yadda fantasy is inconsistent", you see where I am getting at?
Luxury won his MSL while being on KT, Action was just as unstable on eStro, CH and fOrGG has underperformed, which is the only thing I want to agree to, and each one has contributed to the team..
Why do I even bother..
+ Show Spoiler [you respond cos your a kt, and presume…] +
Firstly, I'm going to completely disregard all starleague results in principle because even if someone wins every single individual title in a season, that does nothing to help his team.
Aside from that I pretty much disagree with everything you just said. I think you confuse being unstable with being plain mediocre. Your zerg trio are just plain mediocre, they also happen to be streaky, but that's mainly because they arn't that good in general. Bad players are excused from being unstable, because frankly it often comes down to the luck of the draw anyway.
Stats on the other hand is unstable. If anything for him that's a compliment, because it means he is good enough of a player that he is expected to anchor out a sort of secondary ace position of KT. His record is full of win/loss streaks of 3 or more, given the context of pl, that pretty much means he is winning 80% of games in one subseason, and barely keeping 50% the next. This is not like he's just getting lucky/unlucky, his level of play actually fluctuates between breathtaking and facepalm, and probably to a greater degree than his record.
As for luxury wining his MSL, again individual leagues have no bearing on how well the team fairs on pl, he has contributed consistently to KT for all of about half a subseason before he slumped again then retired, and forgg for even less than that.
As for Bisu and Fantasy, I think their reputations in both cases are pretty justified. Sure, Bisu does get results in PvT these days, but it used to be rubbish compared to his other matchups, and even now he still makes some very ... questionable.... decisions from time to time but gets away with it through mechanics and very tight play throughout the rest of the game. Fantasy has massively padded results from his individual league performance, if you look at only his proleague performance, he is the poster boy of inconsistency, even more so than Stats.
Streaky, inconsistent, unstable doesn't mean they are bad, on the contrary it just means we have certain expectations of a player of their calibre, and the degree to which they meet, or fail to meet, those expectations fluctuates wildly over time.
by your logic, there is no consistant player unless your name is Lee Jaedong or Lee Young Ho
Calling bisu inconsistent or even streaky is the worst pile of crap I have ever read. You insist on saying that the very very best are streaky and inconsistent for some laughable reason that they sometimes *gasp* goes from 3 winstreak to 3 losses, because momentom isn't a factor amirite?
Bisu has been a consistent powerhouse in proleague, since the spring of 2010 if memory serves (could be wrong), nevertheless since he came out of his slump.
Saying Fantasy is inconsistant is nonsense giving his recent performances (last 2 proleague rounds), unless he decides to go back to his inconsistent self (or just plays against calm).
I wont talk about stats as I've made my point with that.
And yes, your post did offend me.
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