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I love Bisu more than anyone else and god knows thats true, but if I see a picture of him after page 5 it will result in 2 days ban. Thats enough, be warned. -disciple | ||
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AppleTart
United States1261 Posts
On July 25 2011 04:12 Gescom wrote: Fantasy dominated both his OSL & MSL groups in the last few weeks. I think he might be back. But he's always good at individual leagues. It's PL hes always shaky in. He's a master of preparation when he knows who he's up against, how many rounds, and the map order. However PL is much more unpredictable. Let's see if he can channel his PL skills back. | ||
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Gescom
Canada3478 Posts
On July 25 2011 05:03 AppleTart wrote: But he's always good at individual leagues. It's PL hes always shaky in. He's a master of preparation when he knows who he's up against, how many rounds, and the map order. However PL is much more unpredictable. Let's see if he can channel his PL skills back. He has the lifetime best PL playoffs record! | ||
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L0thar
987 Posts
It's quite funny how so many people were giving no chances to KT agaist CJ's deep lineup, unless they manage to take it to ace for Flash and then bam!, KT took the series 2:0 with no ace match, even with Flash going only 1-1. | ||
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AppleTart
United States1261 Posts
On July 25 2011 05:16 L0thar wrote: Congrats KT for making finals! I only wish it was thanks to Flash insted of the zerg line (ZvP leaves a bitter taste in mouth for last couple of months). But hey, win is a win and I'm sure Flash too puts success of his team higher then his own fame. It's quite funny how so many people were giving no chances to KT agaist CJ's deep lineup, unless they manage to take it to ace for Flash and then bam!, KT took the series 2:0 with no ace match, even with Flash going only 1-1. KT prepared really well, but CJ was just so lackluster. Aside from Leta, no CJ players won on both days, and some didn't even win once. | ||
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Z3kk
4099 Posts
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
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disciple
9070 Posts
On July 25 2011 01:41 dukethegold wrote: Flamewheel = MS Paint OP Disciple = Bisu Bisu Bisu Bisu BLinD-RawR = Flash Flash Perfective + mutilated Bisu oh cmon I did more complicated and cool gfx to please flash fans than I did for bisu over the years... I know the market well | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
On July 25 2011 05:21 AppleTart wrote: KT prepared really well, but CJ was just so lackluster. Aside from Leta, no CJ players won on both days, and some didn't even win once. Day 1: Snow failed so hard on the first day against Perfective, it wasn't even funny. Just terrible analysis of the entire situation. Then Hydra proceeded to crumble under stress and pressure, the game was over when the DT casually stroke into his main. I don't even blame Movie and SkyHigh because, at least, they played decent games. Day 2: Horang2 opened with a terrible, terrible BO Movie lost six probes to lings Then the coach decided to send out Where, GAH. Even Bbyong was questionable. How about Snow and SkyHigh, give them another chance man. Poor Leta, amazing games on both days, but the team still lost. | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On July 25 2011 01:33 ffreakk wrote: I ll say that s2 or even Hyuk (Jaedong Slayer!! :p) have rather good vZ, and can outmatch any KT Zergs outside of Crazy-Hydra in a ZvZ game. As for by.Sun (or Rain if u so prefer), personally i rate his vZ ability to be as high as Stats, so he too stand a fighting chance.. Some time ago I ll say something about Fanta too, for now i ll just shut up and hope that he bring his usual clutch playoffs self to the Grand Finals. Heres hoping we will have an Epic Grand Finals. Also i have been rather worried about the current state of ZvP. I dont know why Bisu never seem to be on the receiving end of 3H Hydra, but i personally feel that its very powerful. Whether it be the all-in variance, Eco-heavy variance, or the count-cannon-then-respond variance... Basically after all of the playoffs at this point.. The many make-hydras-A-click-win ZvP are making me worried a bit. I hope Bisu showcase one of his "secret" PvZ build that he mentioned to enlighten us a little. Now I get to explain to you why all of this is so farcical. 1: Zero and Soulkey are much, much better in every matchup compared to SKT Zergs, yet we handled them well in ZvZ. The fact that you even compared By.Sun's PvZ to be as good as Stats is a joke: Did you not notice that Stats just beat the two best Zergs in the playoffs in Hydra and Zero? Unless your guys suddenly turned into Jaedong, they're not favored against Stats and Flash, and saying they're clearly better in ZvZ is silly considering we just trumped better ZvZ teams. TL;DR: The ZvZs will be a tossup, By. Sun is not as good as Stats and you're bonkers for saying he is. | ||
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Toadily
United States837 Posts
Tempest almost pulled it off successfully haha, only if that gateway lasted just a few more seconds Action responding so well to horang2's build, Action wins the game wins xD And movie just completely failed the 3rd game lmao, but Hoejja capitalized on it well Looking at the lineup and after watching the first 3 games I thought the almighty chintoss lost his game and Flash had gotten the 3rd win with Roo closing it out again. Not sad that you proved me wrong =D Flash.. has to be one of the very games where you lost after having an advantage throughout most of the game man =( but it was a long TvT game and your wrist hurts, so its ok man ROO, CLOSING OUT 4 ROUNDS IN A ROW LIKE A BOSS | ||
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VGhost
United States3615 Posts
On July 25 2011 07:42 TwoToneTerran wrote: Now I get to explain to you why all of this is so farcical. 1: Zero and Soulkey are much, much better in every matchup compared to SKT Zergs, yet we handled them well in ZvZ. The fact that you even compared By.Sun's PvZ to be as good as Stats is a joke: Did you not notice that Stats just beat the two best Zergs in the playoffs in Hydra and Zero? Unless your guys suddenly turned into Jaedong, they're not favored against Stats and Flash, and saying they're clearly better in ZvZ is silly considering we just trumped better ZvZ teams. TL;DR: The ZvZs will be a tossup, By. Sun is not as good as Stats and you're bonkers for saying he is. I disagree with your ZvZ verdict. Soulkey's ZvZ is very good; but even though ZerO's is much better than it was, it is still mind-numbingly bad sometimes - for instance, his loss to CH was entirely due to micro errors. That said, KT's Zerg are more of a plus than SKT's right now, I think; at least it's a wash. The best remaining ZvZer in the playoffs is probably Hyuk - which means exactly nothing because every single remaining A-team Zerg has a losing ZvZ record (except  s2, who is bang on 50% which makes him probably the 2nd best remaining ZvZer).Other matchups, not so much. SKT's Zerg's ZvP are all very good, but HoeJJa is good enough to snipe Bisu and evidence suggests at least Action and Perfective can match the SKT Zergs' performance here (with hydras if nothing else). Of all the Zergs, soO's current form ZvT is the only one that comes close to "good", although Action and CH have both shown potential (and Hyuk and s2's are abysmal). Barring a minor miracle, no SKT Zerg is going to beat Flash, but any of KT's Zergs might beat fantasy. Ssak or BarrackS are probably toss-ups. To sum up: ZvZ favors SKT. ZvT: in the abstract, SKT has a qualitative edge, but in reality the difference favors KT because of the huge difference between Flash and fantasy's TvZ. ZvP is a toss-up since both teams' Zergs are decent here: SKT has more Protoss, but KT's Protoss aren't as good to begin with (Bisu > Stats, BeSt > Tempest, Sun > Anyppi). So a lot depends on matchups, and the probable matchups (without the WL ability to pick MUs) favor KT. Why? SKT should be going in looking for ZvZ. And with Aztec and especially Icarus out of the map pool it's going to be a lot tougher to get ZvZs. There are no Zerg maps left in the map pool. Obviously Alternative, La Mancha, NBR, and Fortress are still potential ZvZ grounds, but I'd predict Bisu on Alternative, Sun and/or Stats on NBR, and Terrans on Fortress. I'd be more surprised to see 2 ZvZs than I would be to see none. At which point, KT's slight edge in non-ZvZ Zerg matchups gives KT a Zerg edge. | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On July 25 2011 07:02 disciple wrote: oh cmon I did more complicated and cool gfx to please flash fans than I did for bisu over the years... I know the market well Doesn't sound like it from your post, I'm sure everyone wants Bisu, even if they won't admit it. | ||
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PineappleLumpsToss
New Zealand2434 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On July 25 2011 11:08 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Damn, I knew that promise to be BM in the Shanghai LR thread (if KT made it) was gonna bite me in the arse. :D Looking forward to that! ^__^ | ||
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pylonsalad
Canada649 Posts
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Ryusei-R1
United States2106 Posts
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beachbeachy
United States509 Posts
On July 25 2011 12:02 Ryusei-R1 wrote: The Leta VS Flash game reminds me that SC2 rarely has any TvT comebacks like this. The closest and only one I can think of, and only due to the comeback portion, is TLO in GSL1. Other than that, huge comeback from Leta is fucking awesome and unbelievable. It wasn't exactly a huge comeback. They were pretty even throughout the game. For a huge tvt comeback, look up flash vs fbh if you haven't seen it yet. | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On July 25 2011 07:42 TwoToneTerran wrote: Now I get to explain to you why all of this is so farcical. 1: Zero and Soulkey are much, much better in every matchup compared to SKT Zergs, yet we handled them well in ZvZ. The fact that you even compared By.Sun's PvZ to be as good as Stats is a joke: Did you not notice that Stats just beat the two best Zergs in the playoffs in Hydra and Zero? Unless your guys suddenly turned into Jaedong, they're not favored against Stats and Flash, and saying they're clearly better in ZvZ is silly considering we just trumped better ZvZ teams. TL;DR: The ZvZs will be a tossup, By. Sun is not as good as Stats and you're bonkers for saying he is. Stats: You are easily pleased by Stats' 2 recent vZ wins, i am still skeptical because i keep in mind his previous performance (we both know how he played after Winners' League ended). So i will just accept that difference in opinion, conveniently ignore the random demeaning comments here and there too. Zergs: I already accepted that Crazy-Hydra is better than our own Zergs in vZ. Your other Zergs didnt beat Zero. Actually seemed to me that even in the CH game Zero lost his concentration and lost due to sloppiness, but since our Zerg are fully capable of the same thing i wont go there. Outside of the Zergs, we have a person that match up really well vs Flash this season, a player who is always clutch in Playoffs, the Rookie of the Year, and the Most Wins King. I am confident in our chances.  | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
On July 25 2011 11:14 pylonsalad wrote: I feel the CJ coach really blew this series for them. He didn't set-up any of his players with their best match-up except for Movie and most of them with their worst match-up. If he could have used Hydra and Leta to snipe the KT zergs then his P's would have much better shots taking down their non-zerg opponents. Day1: Skyhigh vs Flash Leta vs Crazy-Hydra Movie vs Action Hydra vs Stats Day2: Hydra vs Tempest (ok maybe not :p) Movie vs Hoejja I dont know what to make of Where vs Roo Looks fine to me actually.. Day 1 actually looks to very advantagous for CJ, too bad they choked. Edit: Oops, 2x Post | ||
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