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On July 21 2011 18:43 okum wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:42 Shurayuki wrote:On July 21 2011 18:41 Evs wrote:
this is why we can't have many Protoss -_- that just means the Terrans are not doing their job of weeding out the Zergs before they can eat us poor Protoss BLAME ZE HUMANS That's because the protosses are eliminating all the terrans with their cheesy antics... no wait, they terrans are losing left and right to zergs too.
see that's the problem, those meatfilled skinbags have to get better to protect us (does that even make sense)
On July 21 2011 18:43 Dakkas wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:43 Kipsate wrote:On July 21 2011 18:42 Ryo wrote:
Free, you know what to expect, no excuses here. pretty much yeah. Cmon free, don't be stupid. Don't worry, he'll only sacrifice a couple reavers this time
god that was so bad, i was like: hey he actually has a good chance of defending with those reav...oh fuck
On July 21 2011 18:44 Motivate wrote:
so many idiots don't realise that fantasy used to actually be a really good player. that vulture micro was fking sick. instead people are just like "omg free fail LOLOL LOSE TO FANTASY" -.-
there's a lot of truth in the complaints though, you have to know that vultures in your base are going to be a possibility if you're going up against fantasy, and he had ample time to prepare
On July 21 2011 18:47 Motivate wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:45 HighTemper wrote:On July 21 2011 18:44 Motivate wrote:
so many idiots don't realise that fantasy used to actually be a really good player. that vulture micro was fking sick. instead people are just like "omg free fail LOLOL LOSE TO FANTASY" -.- You defending an SKT players with a Stars icon?? i give credit where it is due. i'm not that much of a stars fan, more of a zerg fanboy. but stars is home to zero and soulkey who are my 2 fav zergs. light is a baller too despite being terran.
haha i feel ya, Light is pretty much the only T i cradle outside of SKT, and zero is such a cute devil
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On July 21 2011 18:46 Winechu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:44 Motivate wrote:
so many idiots don't realise that fantasy used to actually be a really good player. that vulture micro was fking sick. instead people are just like "omg free fail LOLOL LOSE TO FANTASY" -.- Nobody is disputing that the vulture micro was good. But free did his part to fail as well. How many players are capable of losing 2 mining bases' worth of probes to just 4 vultures?
On July 21 2011 18:26 hellbound wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:22 Hyde wrote:On July 21 2011 18:21 hellbound wrote:
Why did free just throw the game away? the vulture harass, it does things to you mentally lol Oh well. At least Fantasy is through The vulture harass was nothing impressive really. As people said a few canons a few goons. I mean even after losing some probes free was in a good position to just contain fantasy on 2 bases. But he suicided his army instead wtf -__-
Some people were not impressed with that vulture micro. Different people, different strokes I guess.
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On July 21 2011 18:45 zmeqt wrote:
I dont understand how can you scout a hydra bust and lose to it.I just don't understand that.I myself never lost (to it,probably later) after actually scouting a hydra bust.
Think a lot of it has to do with the fact that it's insanely hard to know how all-in the Zerg is going with it. If you overmake cannons and the Zerg makes a billion drones instead you'll get crushed. On this level of play you have to cut as many corners as possible.
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On July 21 2011 18:45 zmeqt wrote:
I dont understand how can you scout a hydra bust and lose to it.I just don't understand that.I myself never lost (to it,probably later) after actually scouting a hydra bust.
He have only 2 zealots. I dunno why it was only 2, normal is 4 or 5.
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On July 21 2011 18:47 kuroshiroi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:44 Motivate wrote:
so many idiots don't realise that fantasy used to actually be a really good player. that vulture micro was fking sick. instead people are just like "omg free fail LOLOL LOSE TO FANTASY" -.- Even fantasy was surprised he won that game. Free needed to drop 4 cannons and he would have not died to 4 vultures and a tank. It was absolutely a massive fail by free. It was nice play by Fantasy but the game was lost entirely due to free's failure to not drop a few cannons.
How can you state that Fantasy was surprised? Mind reading?
Plus there's been a good number of games where Fantasy has done a lot of damage with harass despite there being cannons, either with smart vulture positioning + control or his 2 tank support drop. A few cannons doesn't make a protoss expo invulnerable.
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gogo modesty. show us you're more than a zvz sniper.
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The final match
Free the protoss at 10.5
Modesty the zerg at 4.5
Monte Cristo!
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Pylon dumped at the nat choke, probe goes back home to mine and doesn't scout
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there's a lot of truth in the complaints though, you have to know that vultures in your base are going to be a possibility if you're going up against fantasy terran, and he had ample time to prepare
fixed
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On July 21 2011 18:49 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:45 zmeqt wrote:
I dont understand how can you scout a hydra bust and lose to it.I just don't understand that.I myself never lost (to it,probably later) after actually scouting a hydra bust. Think a lot of it has to do with the fact that it's insanely hard to know how all-in the Zerg is going with it. If you overmake cannons and the Zerg makes a billion drones instead you'll get crushed. On this level of play you have to cut as many corners as possible.
Than again what's better?Going with a minor disadvantage to mid/late game or just losing right away...
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But Modesty goes overpool anyways
oh, 1 gate at Free's nat choke
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Free's probe comes to Modesty's nat just as the drone heads out, it delays the nat hatch and tangles with the drone for awhile
manner pylon
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At least we have an PvZ final. better than PvP
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Modesty places his 2nd hatch at 2, takes his main gas
1 zealot heading out
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pylon at nat
protoss can be such a bitch sometimes xD
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On July 21 2011 18:52 yepenaxa wrote:
At least we have an PvZ final. better than PvP
Dunno, I actually enjoy watching PvP more than PvZ nowadays
Modesty takes his nat, zealot swiping at the 3rd hatch, backs off as a few lings appear
2nd zealot heading out to join the first
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On July 21 2011 18:52 yepenaxa wrote:
At least we have an PvZ final. better than PvP
Not if it's another hydra-bust again
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Free takes his nat, 2 zealots approaching Modesty's 3rd - staring down 5 lings
scouting probe still alive
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On July 21 2011 18:47 kuroshiroi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:44 Motivate wrote:
so many idiots don't realise that fantasy used to actually be a really good player. that vulture micro was fking sick. instead people are just like "omg free fail LOLOL LOSE TO FANTASY" -.- Even fantasy was surprised he won that game. Free needed to drop 4 cannons and he would have not died to 4 vultures and a tank. It was absolutely a massive fail by free. It was nice play by Fantasy but the game was lost entirely due to free's failure to not drop a few cannons.
You would think any protoss would remember to add cannons knowing its Fantasy they're playing with. Then again, those vulture raids tend to be effective even with cannons to defend.
Losing his main force though, that was all Free. Maybe the raids got to his head and made him suicide his forces that way.
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On July 21 2011 18:47 o[twist] wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2011 18:44 Motivate wrote:
so many idiots don't realise that fantasy used to actually be a really good player. that vulture micro was fking sick. instead people are just like "omg free fail LOLOL LOSE TO FANTASY" -.- it's not like fantasy was so good that free was somehow prevented from having dragoons or cannons at his bases (for several straight minutes) or forced to suicide his army into fanta's choke. good play doesn't force your opponent to make poor decisions.
Actually good play is usually what makes your opponents making mistakes. Not really force it, but usually you see people doing horrible mistakes when they are in rough spots (in example losing all your probes when you are probecutting) and not when they are cruising along in a game going their way and playing according to plan. It was still obviously horrendous by Free, but I don`t think he would have just suicided those units if he had not lost all his probes and getting his 3rd dropped and about to lose even more.
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