On July 21 2011 12:26 Kipsate wrote: Although I appericiate the LR thread, isn't kinda odd that Bisu is on the banners considering he isn't playing in this group?
its GGnoRe all over again(except he had flowers).
yeah,why is a KT fan using a banner with Bisu in it,in a group hes not even playing.:p
why don't you cop paste the banner's and headers from the group 3 thread.
On July 21 2011 12:26 Kipsate wrote: Although I appericiate the LR thread, isn't kinda odd that Bisu is on the banners considering he isn't playing in this group?
its GGnoRe all over again(except he had flowers).
yeah,why is a KT fan using a banner with Bisu in it,in a group hes not even playing.:p
why don't you cop paste the banner's and headers from the group 3 thread.
Next time I pre-make a LR thread I'll remember to leave Bisu out. I took him out of the main banner. And I thought the rest looked like a cool guy with a knife. Sorry
edit: Fixed And I'm getting gradually better at banners for being a programmer.
On July 21 2011 12:26 Kipsate wrote: Although I appericiate the LR thread, isn't kinda odd that Bisu is on the banners considering he isn't playing in this group?
On July 21 2011 12:26 Kipsate wrote: Although I appericiate the LR thread, isn't kinda odd that Bisu is on the banners considering he isn't playing in this group?
its GGnoRe all over again(except he had flowers).
I just copied this from BisuDagger in the Group 5 LR. He mad this but I guess not really interested in posting the LR. At least it's better than the disaster I had earlier with the OSL LR. Rofl. Anyone has better benners?
Hey I have a question. I'm editing out Prediction because I don't have any anyway. Is it okay if I remove the Spoiler-Free part of the results? I mean does anyone really want to see game by game results like that?
Poll: Results Section:
Just Full Results, you see the results anyway (8)
80%
With Spoiler-Free please, I want to to be thrilled (1)
10%
Any, doesn't matter to me (1)
10%
10 total votes
Your vote: Results Section:
(Vote): With Spoiler-Free please, I want to to be thrilled (Vote): Just Full Results, you see the results anyway (Vote): Any, doesn't matter to me
On July 21 2011 16:51 yepenaxa wrote: Hey I have a question. I'm editing out Prediction because I don't have any anyway. Is it okay if I remove the Spoiler-Free part of the results? I mean does anyone really want to see game by game results like that?
Poll: Results Section:
Just Full Results, you see the results anyway (8)
80%
With Spoiler-Free please, I want to to be thrilled (1)
10%
Any, doesn't matter to me (1)
10%
10 total votes
Your vote: Results Section:
(Vote): With Spoiler-Free please, I want to to be thrilled (Vote): Just Full Results, you see the results anyway (Vote): Any, doesn't matter to me
Ok. No more spoiler free then. To me, I don't get why some would want that honestly. Like you get the thrill of knowing the results 1 by 1? I don't get it. To each his own I guess. Editing it out guys.
On July 21 2011 16:52 thopol wrote: I hope Modesty does well and Fantasy loses. If I can only get one of those I'd take the latter.
Great. The hate is stronger than the love.
Yeah. Fantasy holds a special place in my heart.
EDIT: Oh, I'm generally pretty good about being positive. I do think it's important to have some guys that you don't like though. I wouldn't enjoy baseball as much without the Padres and Red Sox. I wouldn't enjoy BW as much without T1.
On July 21 2011 17:01 Zona wrote: If only we had more fans and fewer "anti-fans". Gosh I hate that we actually need a "word" like "anti-fan" to describe somewhat common behavior.
On July 21 2011 17:01 Zona wrote: If only we had more fans and fewer "anti-fans". Gosh I hate that we actually need a "word" like "anti-fan" to describe somewhat common behavior.
Fantasy focusing on the Stargate, he doesn't want Anyppi to produce the noble Arbiter to try to stop him!
Starport down Anyppi with 6 gates at his 1.5 base, Fantasy leaving Anyppi's main city alone - he wants the civilians there to suffer with the loss of their relatives elsewhere!
wow, anyppi had absolutely no idea what to do with the army he macroed so decently... that was a complete domination, fantasy barely lost any units all game
You need to meet a time AND post threshold to get the next icon. People who reach a post threshold without being registered long enough will only get the next icon when the time is right.
free, free, i can't trust you with a LB after what you have done to my poor Aiurian heart, but if i ever wanted to be wrong, now's the time please destroy my LB free
(this is some serious reverse psychology going on...me martyrizing my LB to save free!)
On July 21 2011 17:37 Shurayuki wrote: free, free, i can't trust you with a LB after what you have done to my poor Aiurian heart, but if i ever wanted to be wrong, now's the time please destroy my LB free
(this is some serious reverse psychology going on...me martyrizing my LB to save free!)
On July 21 2011 17:36 Zona wrote: You need to meet a time AND post threshold to get the next icon. People who reach a post threshold without being registered long enough will only get the next icon when the time is right.
On July 21 2011 17:37 Shurayuki wrote: free, free, i can't trust you with a LB after what you have done to my poor Aiurian heart, but if i ever wanted to be wrong, now's the time please destroy my LB free
(this is some serious reverse psychology going on...me martyrizing my LB to save free!)
On July 21 2011 17:33 jaQi wrote: Okay free, time to show some of your real potential... stop failing!
By the way I just realized I'm not a probe anymore. I am a zlot!! YIPPIEEEEE!!!!!
So unfair, it took me 800 post to be a zealot...
How does this work TL? It looks so random with the post count?
Post count and join date. Also I just got the scout! Hooray!
Nice, grats! You are now one of the most useless units in the game!
I turned into a BC yesterday myself. ^__^
While the scout may be useless, at least it can hunt BCs efficiently.
Sorry dude, just got enough energy for a Yamato.
*BOOM*
You dead.
Too slow. You're dead long before you get a chance to charge and fire. Also, why is it that the highly advanced Protoss use machine guns while the less advanced terrans use lasers?
On July 21 2011 17:55 Kipsate wrote: idk if that was Free playing good or Modesty playing horrible.
Modesty's play definitely lived up to his name.
When someone (especially if you're a zerg) neither commits to an aggressive early attack nor to a stronger late-game, you end up with something like this.
On July 21 2011 17:57 Xpeijz wrote: Fuck yes, well done Free! Freaking zergs with their hydra busts...
The problem is Modesty's "hydra bust" is that it was half-hearted. Resources diverted to teching and such, making the bust weaker and slower but also ensuring he was poor later on in the game.
On July 21 2011 18:01 Lightwip wrote: Can we stop making ZvY distinctions and leave only BvZ, the only distinction that sounds good out of all the ones ever made?
On July 21 2011 18:01 Lightwip wrote: Can we stop making ZvY distinctions and leave only JvZ, the only distinction that sounds good out of all the ones ever made?
I think FvT is most definitely warranted and doesn't sound too bad. And BvZ too.
The peacekeepers have replaced their losing commander Anyppi with free to once again try to contain the terrorists! Can they do better on the next battlefield, La Mancha?
Fantasy and the Terrorists hidden at 10.5 Free, the peacekeeper at 1.5
On July 21 2011 18:21 Zona wrote: Damn. Welcome back Fantasy.
I've missed you.
You say that after a game with beautiful harass, but the opponent was sooo bad he could have repulsed all those vultures? Yeah Fanatasy welcome back, clearly you are not in a slump anymore...
Who doesn't build cannons against fantasy when he is so known for his vulture harass? All free had to do was delay fantasy's 3rd for as long as possible while taking his 4th and 5th. Also cannons to protect probes help.
On July 21 2011 18:21 Zona wrote: Damn. Welcome back Fantasy.
I've missed you.
You say that after a game with beautiful harass, but the opponent was sooo bad he could have repulsed all those vultures? Yeah Fanatasy welcome back, clearly you are not in a slump anymore...
It seems that Fantasy's TvP has been always fine, he's just been a bit unfortunate with not facing a Protoss in over 2 months.
On July 21 2011 18:21 hellbound wrote: Why did free just throw the game away?
the vulture harass, it does things to you mentally lol
Oh well. At least Fantasy is through
The vulture harass was nothing impressive really. As people said a few canons a few goons. I mean even after losing some probes free was in a good position to just contain fantasy on 2 bases. But he suicided his army instead wtf -__-
On July 21 2011 18:22 Shurayuki wrote: free can only smile at that
building vultures, a useful talent toi have
trying to defend vs vultures in your mineral line for 2 minutes with zealots only : not a talent at all oO
Came into the game like 2 or 3 minutes before that runby, and the game looked like fantasy turteling on 2 base , killing every probe ever built with 4 vultures, a tank and a dropship, and free running his army in a bunch of tanks
Thats not really what I expect (or want to see in progames anyway) to be honest, but hey... Fantasy wins, and I´m happy with that... because in a totally irrational way besides his TvZ and his gg timing I really like that guy and tend to root for him (as long as he is not playing FBH ofc)
it's great to be proud of your favorite players but regardless of how good that vulture harass was, it should never have been able to do nearly that much damage, and even when it did it should never have led to such a quick win. for some reason free had dragoons against a huge number of clumped tanks and zealots/high templar against a few vultures. no sense in his play at all - and after his early aggression was so heartening
On July 21 2011 18:24 kidcrash wrote: Who doesn't build cannons against fantasy when he is so known for his vulture harass? All free had to do was delay fantasy's 3rd for as long as possible while taking his 4th and 5th. Also cannons to protect probes help.
Only SKT tosses (mostly Best) cannon up their bases these days. Guess it's what happens when Fantasy plays like this...
Unbelievable vulture control from Fantasy and unbelievable fail from free.
On July 21 2011 18:23 Zona wrote: Free's head-on attack into Fantasy's nat was f'n terrible, though
As if he couldn't take the mental pressure anymore and just threw his army forwards.
While the attack was pretty terrible, I can somewhat understand why Free tried to do it. I mean he was probecutting, mass gating with no tech whatsoever and then ends up losing all his nat probes leaving his econ even worse off than it already was. So basically every second he let the game go on after that is gonna just favor Fantasy more and more, so something had to be done.. Do suiciding everything into the choke didnt was probably not the best idea.
On July 21 2011 18:21 hellbound wrote: Why did free just throw the game away?
the vulture harass, it does things to you mentally lol
Oh well. At least Fantasy is through
The vulture harass was nothing impressive really. As people said a few canons a few goons. I mean even after losing some probes free was in a good position to just contain fantasy on 2 bases. But he suicided his army instead wtf -__-
Are you serious? Fanta's vult harass did *way* too much damage to make a contain actually work.
It wasn't like 5 or 10 probes it was at least 25, and losing that many probes on 3 base kills your econ. If Free tried to "contain", Fantasy would have been retardedly ahead.
On July 21 2011 18:23 Zona wrote: Free's head-on attack into Fantasy's nat was f'n terrible, though
As if he couldn't take the mental pressure anymore and just threw his army forwards.
While the attack was pretty terrible, I can somewhat understand why Free tried to do it. I mean he was probecutting, mass gating with no tech whatsoever and then ends up losing all his nat probes leaving his econ even worse off than it already was. So basically every second he let the game go on after that is gonna just favor Fantasy more and more, so something had to be done.. Do suiciding everything into the choke didnt was probably not the best idea.
he did have tech, he had HTs, a couple of well placed storms would have raped fantasy's clumped entrance to the natural, but the HTs were trapped inside the main behind the 2 lots free put in the ramp to block it
On July 21 2011 18:26 Holgerius wrote: Free decided to try his new theory, that having probes is overrated, in a real game today. It didn't work out.
What?! hahaha.
Ya, it's a new thing he's been thinking about a lot. You sacrifice probes at a certain timing to free up supply so that you save the money you would've had to build new pylons and shit with. Gives you the opportunity to get a slight army boost for a very specific timing bust (the attack into the nat). Didn't really work out though.
On July 21 2011 18:26 Holgerius wrote: Free decided to try his new theory, that having probes is overrated, in a real game today. It didn't work out.
What?! hahaha.
Ya, it's a new thing he's been thinking about a lot. You sacrifice probes at a certain timing to free up supply so that you save the money you would've had to build new pylons and shit with. Gives you the opportunity to get a slight army boost for a very specific timing bust (the attack into the nat). Didn't really work out though.
Looks good on paper. It has to be asked though, is this strategy... all-in? lol
On July 21 2011 18:32 Winechu wrote: Free really should've followed up the 2 gate pressure by proxying more gates and going all-in after seeing how successful the first attack was
On July 21 2011 18:26 Holgerius wrote: Free decided to try his new theory, that having probes is overrated, in a real game today. It didn't work out.
What?! hahaha.
Ya, it's a new thing he's been thinking about a lot. You sacrifice probes at a certain timing to free up supply so that you save the money you would've had to build new pylons and shit with. Gives you the opportunity to get a slight army boost for a very specific timing bust (the attack into the nat). Didn't really work out though.
Looks good on paper. It has to be asked though, is this strategy... all-in? lol
On July 21 2011 18:32 Winechu wrote: Free really should've followed up the 2 gate pressure by proxying more gates and going all-in after seeing how successful the first attack was
SC2 section is that way ----->
Hey, it works. Stork used 4 gate, though I don't remember how many were proxy, to punish Flash's Rax-fe.
On July 21 2011 18:21 hellbound wrote: Why did free just throw the game away?
the vulture harass, it does things to you mentally lol
Oh well. At least Fantasy is through
The vulture harass was nothing impressive really. As people said a few canons a few goons. I mean even after losing some probes free was in a good position to just contain fantasy on 2 bases. But he suicided his army instead wtf -__-
Are you serious? Fanta's vult harass did *way* too much damage to make a contain actually work.
It wasn't like 5 or 10 probes it was at least 25, and losing that many probes on 3 base kills your econ. If Free tried to "contain", Fantasy would have been retardedly ahead.
3 nexuses make probes quite fast and no way in hell it was 25. And there is only so far ahead on can get on 2 gases. Fanta had made a CC and had been pumping scv's in anticipation of an expo and free knew all that. Why try to break terran's army in his choke with tanks on clifs when he was going to move out soon anyway?
On July 21 2011 18:32 Winechu wrote: Free really should've followed up the 2 gate pressure by proxying more gates and going all-in after seeing how successful the first attack was
SC2 section is that way ----->
Hey, it works. Stork used 4 gate, though I don't remember how many were proxy, to punish Flash's Rax-fe.
Completely different stuff. Stork got a gas steal early on that delayed Flash's Fac timing etc.
On July 21 2011 18:33 Shurayuki wrote: wow what's with all the hate suddenly
free wins = 3 guys rejoice
free loses = the whole universe shits on him
yeah that wasn't his brightest moment, it's okay, get off his back. he's just taking baby steps back to his old days
Lets be fair, he pulled a Clam there. Charging into a narrow choke against a terran that has been massing tanks with dragoons is nothing short of pure idiocy
On July 21 2011 18:32 Winechu wrote: Free really should've followed up the 2 gate pressure by proxying more gates and going all-in after seeing how successful the first attack was
SC2 section is that way ----->
Hey, it works. Stork used 4 gate, though I don't remember how many were proxy, to punish Flash's Rax-fe.
That was on Circuit Breaker wasn't it?. La Mancha doesn't have a center so it's more likely that the gates would get scouted.
On July 21 2011 18:26 Holgerius wrote: Free decided to try his new theory, that having probes is overrated, in a real game today. It didn't work out.
What?! hahaha.
Ya, it's a new thing he's been thinking about a lot. You sacrifice probes at a certain timing to free up supply so that you save the money you would've had to build new pylons and shit with. Gives you the opportunity to get a slight army boost for a very specific timing bust (the attack into the nat). Didn't really work out though.
Looks good on paper. It has to be asked though, is this strategy... all-in? lol
I think it is, most likely.
It wasnt really an all in, I mean he had already done loads of damage with his early attack and there was no way Fantasy was getting his 3rd anytime soon with army outside his natural. So he could easily enough start probe production and tech again if Fantasy refused to move out, and if he did move out that attack would have for sure won the game.
On July 21 2011 18:37 Spica wrote: Another hydra bust incoming?
No, another hydra bust incoming.
i have a sinking feeling you're actually enjoying the hydra busts
it seems we'll have to dispatch a Dt to pick your nose a bit (purely for hygiene ofc)
Haha no, I absolutely despise hydra busts. Very disappointing that Modesty goes for another one. His philosophy must be, "If it doesn't work the first time, try, try again!"
so many idiots don't realise that fantasy used to actually be a really good player. that vulture micro was fking sick. instead people are just like "omg free fail LOLOL LOSE TO FANTASY" -.-
On July 21 2011 18:41 Nesto wrote: someone practiced only 3 hatch hydrabust it seems.
wonder if he can surprise free in the next game with that =)
actually, Modesty's strange build includes a 4th hatch
Might be a 5th too, observer was not looking a his third towards the end. This type of semi bust build has been popular lately, if protoss overcomits to canons the zerg can whore drones instead, build a spire and play normally.
I dont understand how can you scout a hydra bust and lose to it.I just don't understand that.I myself never lost (to it,probably later) after actually scouting a hydra bust.
On July 21 2011 18:44 Motivate wrote: so many idiots don't realise that fantasy used to actually be a really good player. that vulture micro was fking sick. instead people are just like "omg free fail LOLOL LOSE TO FANTASY" -.-
On July 21 2011 18:44 Motivate wrote: so many idiots don't realise that fantasy used to actually be a really good player. that vulture micro was fking sick. instead people are just like "omg free fail LOLOL LOSE TO FANTASY" -.-
Not to me, that was not so much a free fail as fantasy remembering that he used to be one of the best players in the world.
On July 21 2011 18:44 Motivate wrote: so many idiots don't realise that fantasy used to actually be a really good player. that vulture micro was fking sick. instead people are just like "omg free fail LOLOL LOSE TO FANTASY" -.-
Nobody is disputing that the vulture micro was good. But free did his part to fail as well. How many players are capable of losing 2 mining bases' worth of probes to just 4 vultures?
On July 21 2011 18:44 Motivate wrote: so many idiots don't realise that fantasy used to actually be a really good player. that vulture micro was fking sick. instead people are just like "omg free fail LOLOL LOSE TO FANTASY" -.-
Even fantasy was surprised he won that game. Free needed to drop 4 cannons and he would have not died to 4 vultures and a tank. It was absolutely a massive fail by free. It was nice play by Fantasy but the game was lost entirely due to free's failure to not drop a few cannons.
On July 21 2011 18:44 Motivate wrote: so many idiots don't realise that fantasy used to actually be a really good player. that vulture micro was fking sick. instead people are just like "omg free fail LOLOL LOSE TO FANTASY" -.-
You defending an SKT players with a Stars icon??
i give credit where it is due.
i'm not that much of a stars fan, more of a zerg fanboy. but stars is home to zero and soulkey who are my 2 fav zergs. light is a baller too despite being terran.
On July 21 2011 18:44 Motivate wrote: so many idiots don't realise that fantasy used to actually be a really good player. that vulture micro was fking sick. instead people are just like "omg free fail LOLOL LOSE TO FANTASY" -.-
Nobody is disputing that the vulture micro was good. But free did his part to fail as well. How many players are capable of losing 2 mining bases' worth of probes to just 4 vultures?
not me lol .... i would have flank my zealots + probes and kill that SOB :D
On July 21 2011 18:44 Motivate wrote: so many idiots don't realise that fantasy used to actually be a really good player. that vulture micro was fking sick. instead people are just like "omg free fail LOLOL LOSE TO FANTASY" -.-
it's not like fantasy was so good that free was somehow prevented from having dragoons or cannons at his bases (for several straight minutes) or forced to suicide his army into fanta's choke. good play doesn't force your opponent to make poor decisions.
On July 21 2011 18:42 Ryo wrote: Free, you know what to expect, no excuses here.
pretty much yeah.
Cmon free, don't be stupid.
Don't worry, he'll only sacrifice a couple reavers this time
god that was so bad, i was like: hey he actually has a good chance of defending with those reav...oh fuck
On July 21 2011 18:44 Motivate wrote: so many idiots don't realise that fantasy used to actually be a really good player. that vulture micro was fking sick. instead people are just like "omg free fail LOLOL LOSE TO FANTASY" -.-
there's a lot of truth in the complaints though, you have to know that vultures in your base are going to be a possibility if you're going up against fantasy, and he had ample time to prepare
On July 21 2011 18:44 Motivate wrote: so many idiots don't realise that fantasy used to actually be a really good player. that vulture micro was fking sick. instead people are just like "omg free fail LOLOL LOSE TO FANTASY" -.-
You defending an SKT players with a Stars icon??
i give credit where it is due.
i'm not that much of a stars fan, more of a zerg fanboy. but stars is home to zero and soulkey who are my 2 fav zergs. light is a baller too despite being terran.
haha i feel ya, Light is pretty much the only T i cradle outside of SKT, and zero is such a cute devil
On July 21 2011 18:44 Motivate wrote: so many idiots don't realise that fantasy used to actually be a really good player. that vulture micro was fking sick. instead people are just like "omg free fail LOLOL LOSE TO FANTASY" -.-
Nobody is disputing that the vulture micro was good. But free did his part to fail as well. How many players are capable of losing 2 mining bases' worth of probes to just 4 vultures?
On July 21 2011 18:21 hellbound wrote: Why did free just throw the game away?
the vulture harass, it does things to you mentally lol
Oh well. At least Fantasy is through
The vulture harass was nothing impressive really. As people said a few canons a few goons. I mean even after losing some probes free was in a good position to just contain fantasy on 2 bases. But he suicided his army instead wtf -__-
Some people were not impressed with that vulture micro. Different people, different strokes I guess.
On July 21 2011 18:45 zmeqt wrote: I dont understand how can you scout a hydra bust and lose to it.I just don't understand that.I myself never lost (to it,probably later) after actually scouting a hydra bust.
Think a lot of it has to do with the fact that it's insanely hard to know how all-in the Zerg is going with it. If you overmake cannons and the Zerg makes a billion drones instead you'll get crushed. On this level of play you have to cut as many corners as possible.
On July 21 2011 18:45 zmeqt wrote: I dont understand how can you scout a hydra bust and lose to it.I just don't understand that.I myself never lost (to it,probably later) after actually scouting a hydra bust.
He have only 2 zealots. I dunno why it was only 2, normal is 4 or 5.
On July 21 2011 18:44 Motivate wrote: so many idiots don't realise that fantasy used to actually be a really good player. that vulture micro was fking sick. instead people are just like "omg free fail LOLOL LOSE TO FANTASY" -.-
Even fantasy was surprised he won that game. Free needed to drop 4 cannons and he would have not died to 4 vultures and a tank. It was absolutely a massive fail by free. It was nice play by Fantasy but the game was lost entirely due to free's failure to not drop a few cannons.
How can you state that Fantasy was surprised? Mind reading?
Plus there's been a good number of games where Fantasy has done a lot of damage with harass despite there being cannons, either with smart vulture positioning + control or his 2 tank support drop. A few cannons doesn't make a protoss expo invulnerable.
there's a lot of truth in the complaints though, you have to know that vultures in your base are going to be a possibility if you're going up against fantasyterran, and he had ample time to prepare
On July 21 2011 18:45 zmeqt wrote: I dont understand how can you scout a hydra bust and lose to it.I just don't understand that.I myself never lost (to it,probably later) after actually scouting a hydra bust.
Think a lot of it has to do with the fact that it's insanely hard to know how all-in the Zerg is going with it. If you overmake cannons and the Zerg makes a billion drones instead you'll get crushed. On this level of play you have to cut as many corners as possible.
Than again what's better?Going with a minor disadvantage to mid/late game or just losing right away...
On July 21 2011 18:44 Motivate wrote: so many idiots don't realise that fantasy used to actually be a really good player. that vulture micro was fking sick. instead people are just like "omg free fail LOLOL LOSE TO FANTASY" -.-
Even fantasy was surprised he won that game. Free needed to drop 4 cannons and he would have not died to 4 vultures and a tank. It was absolutely a massive fail by free. It was nice play by Fantasy but the game was lost entirely due to free's failure to not drop a few cannons.
You would think any protoss would remember to add cannons knowing its Fantasy they're playing with. Then again, those vulture raids tend to be effective even with cannons to defend.
Losing his main force though, that was all Free. Maybe the raids got to his head and made him suicide his forces that way.
On July 21 2011 18:44 Motivate wrote: so many idiots don't realise that fantasy used to actually be a really good player. that vulture micro was fking sick. instead people are just like "omg free fail LOLOL LOSE TO FANTASY" -.-
it's not like fantasy was so good that free was somehow prevented from having dragoons or cannons at his bases (for several straight minutes) or forced to suicide his army into fanta's choke. good play doesn't force your opponent to make poor decisions.
Actually good play is usually what makes your opponents making mistakes. Not really force it, but usually you see people doing horrible mistakes when they are in rough spots (in example losing all your probes when you are probecutting) and not when they are cruising along in a game going their way and playing according to plan. It was still obviously horrendous by Free, but I don`t think he would have just suicided those units if he had not lost all his probes and getting his 3rd dropped and about to lose even more.
there's a lot of truth in the complaints though, you have to know that vultures in your base are going to be a possibility if you're going up against fantasyterran, and he had ample time to prepare
fixed
heh, yeah but most/many T's don't micro them as meticulously as fantasy does
On July 21 2011 18:44 Motivate wrote: so many idiots don't realise that fantasy used to actually be a really good player. that vulture micro was fking sick. instead people are just like "omg free fail LOLOL LOSE TO FANTASY" -.-
it's not like fantasy was so good that free was somehow prevented from having dragoons or cannons at his bases (for several straight minutes) or forced to suicide his army into fanta's choke. good play doesn't force your opponent to make poor decisions.
Actually good play is usually what makes your opponents making mistakes. Not really force it, but usually you see people doing horrible mistakes when they are in rough spots (in example losing all your probes when you are probecutting) and not when they are cruising along in a game going their way and playing according to plan. It was still obviously horrendous by Free, but I don`t think he would have just suicided those units if he had not lost all his probes and getting his 3rd dropped and about to lose even more.
well free put himself in a weird position with that 2gate pressure and probecutting, so he better have a sound plan to follow it up...that was just not as well prepared as it should i feel
On July 21 2011 18:44 Motivate wrote: so many idiots don't realise that fantasy used to actually be a really good player. that vulture micro was fking sick. instead people are just like "omg free fail LOLOL LOSE TO FANTASY" -.-
Even fantasy was surprised he won that game. Free needed to drop 4 cannons and he would have not died to 4 vultures and a tank. It was absolutely a massive fail by free. It was nice play by Fantasy but the game was lost entirely due to free's failure to not drop a few cannons.
How can you state that Fantasy was surprised? Mind reading?
His face after that game? Free's face after that game? Maybe it was bemusement but he was certainly very happy after that game which I choose to interpret in that way. There's no way to mock me with some BS comment about mind reading.
This map should be relatively good for Toss vs Zerg, shouldn't it? It must be hard for them slimey bastards to play their usual turtle-style with a fast 4th and stuff.
Mutas raiding the main mineral line, 2 sairs scourged but the 4 surviving sairs move-shoot chase the mutas away, fall behind
More creep colonies being added to Modesty's 3rd, zealot+archon moving out, mutas fly over archon and neither attack archon gets a hit on scourge in the end
sigh this gotta be the worst game iv seen in ages, both players playing so bad its like they both want to lose and try to throw the game away once they get an advantage.
Ah well, at least I got here before the entire group's games were over. Looks like Fantasy vs Free will be a VOD to watch at least.
Another 2 wins under Fantasy's belt is another 2 wins towards rediscovering his form.
This game is starting to look promising as well, though I wouldn't have picked Free to have beaten Modesty in Game 2 (given the way he's been playing recently).
lol i love that lurker vanish bug. you guys haven't seen that before? often if a lurker egg is being attacked when it hatches the lurker just disappears.
On July 21 2011 19:12 o[twist] wrote: lol i love that lurker vanish bug. you guys haven't seen that before? often if a lurker egg is being attacked when it hatches the lurker just disappears.
oh i've seen it but i didn't know that's why haha so weird.. thanks :D
Consuming 2 hydras to put a plague on a single archon.The MSL comentators are trying their best to seem interested and lively but let's face it-the only good thing about this group was Fantasy's vulture micro.
On July 21 2011 19:12 o[twist] wrote: lol i love that lurker vanish bug. you guys haven't seen that before? often if a lurker egg is being attacked when it hatches the lurker just disappears.
oh i've seen it but i didn't know that's why haha so weird.. thanks :D
ppp and regame pls, you can do that for zeals doing ranged attacking no?!
On July 21 2011 19:12 o[twist] wrote: lol i love that lurker vanish bug. you guys haven't seen that before? often if a lurker egg is being attacked when it hatches the lurker just disappears.
oh i've seen it but i didn't know that's why haha so weird.. thanks :D
oh lol. i'm not sure i know "why" per se either. or why it's never been fixed. i've never even really heard it mentioned before but it was so blatant here, modesty just lost units for no reason
On July 21 2011 19:12 o[twist] wrote: lol i love that lurker vanish bug. you guys haven't seen that before? often if a lurker egg is being attacked when it hatches the lurker just disappears.
oh i've seen it but i didn't know that's why haha so weird.. thanks :D
oh lol. i'm not sure i know "why" per se either. or why it's never been fixed. i've never even really heard it mentioned before but it was so blatant here, modesty just lost units for no reason
What bug? The lurkers were killed by storm as they hatched. There is no death animation for units that are part way through coming out of an egg. It happens all the time...
On July 21 2011 19:12 o[twist] wrote: lol i love that lurker vanish bug. you guys haven't seen that before? often if a lurker egg is being attacked when it hatches the lurker just disappears.
oh i've seen it but i didn't know that's why haha so weird.. thanks :D
oh lol. i'm not sure i know "why" per se either. or why it's never been fixed. i've never even really heard it mentioned before but it was so blatant here, modesty just lost units for no reason
What bug? The lurkers were killed by storm as they hatched. There is no death animation for units that are part way through coming out of an egg. It happens all the time...
On July 21 2011 19:15 Kipsate wrote: Alright, time to face it Free, go to Ace.
I think it'd do wonders for his game if he did. He seems really disenchanted with the game, a new environment and practice schedule could work well for him.
On July 21 2011 19:12 o[twist] wrote: lol i love that lurker vanish bug. you guys haven't seen that before? often if a lurker egg is being attacked when it hatches the lurker just disappears.
oh i've seen it but i didn't know that's why haha so weird.. thanks :D
oh lol. i'm not sure i know "why" per se either. or why it's never been fixed. i've never even really heard it mentioned before but it was so blatant here, modesty just lost units for no reason
What bug? The lurkers were killed by storm as they hatched. There is no death animation for units that are part way through coming out of an egg. It happens all the time...
Lurkers eggs have 200 health, storm does 110 damage. I don't see how those lurkers were dead, unless something else did damage beforehand?
On July 21 2011 19:12 o[twist] wrote: lol i love that lurker vanish bug. you guys haven't seen that before? often if a lurker egg is being attacked when it hatches the lurker just disappears.
oh i've seen it but i didn't know that's why haha so weird.. thanks :D
oh lol. i'm not sure i know "why" per se either. or why it's never been fixed. i've never even really heard it mentioned before but it was so blatant here, modesty just lost units for no reason
What bug? The lurkers were killed by storm as they hatched. There is no death animation for units that are part way through coming out of an egg. It happens all the time...
Storm cant kill lurks in 1 shot.
that might be true, but zerg units hatching from the eggs don't have 100% health until they fully pop out. I didn't see it though, I was kind of falling asleep that game. Time to refresh myself before Bisu plays
On July 21 2011 19:12 o[twist] wrote: lol i love that lurker vanish bug. you guys haven't seen that before? often if a lurker egg is being attacked when it hatches the lurker just disappears.
oh i've seen it but i didn't know that's why haha so weird.. thanks :D
oh lol. i'm not sure i know "why" per se either. or why it's never been fixed. i've never even really heard it mentioned before but it was so blatant here, modesty just lost units for no reason
What bug? The lurkers were killed by storm as they hatched. There is no death animation for units that are part way through coming out of an egg. It happens all the time...
Storm cant kill lurks in 1 shot.
Good point, although the eggs were probably already damaged by other units.
On July 21 2011 19:12 o[twist] wrote: lol i love that lurker vanish bug. you guys haven't seen that before? often if a lurker egg is being attacked when it hatches the lurker just disappears.
oh i've seen it but i didn't know that's why haha so weird.. thanks :D
oh lol. i'm not sure i know "why" per se either. or why it's never been fixed. i've never even really heard it mentioned before but it was so blatant here, modesty just lost units for no reason
On July 21 2011 19:15 Kipsate wrote: Alright, time to face it Free, go to Ace.
I think it'd do wonders for his game if he did. He seems really disenchanted with the game, a new environment and practice schedule could work well for him.
Practice schedule bah, some military discipline would fix that. I support the free to ACE proposal.
On July 21 2011 19:12 o[twist] wrote: lol i love that lurker vanish bug. you guys haven't seen that before? often if a lurker egg is being attacked when it hatches the lurker just disappears.
oh i've seen it but i didn't know that's why haha so weird.. thanks :D
oh lol. i'm not sure i know "why" per se either. or why it's never been fixed. i've never even really heard it mentioned before but it was so blatant here, modesty just lost units for no reason
What bug? The lurkers were killed by storm as they hatched. There is no death animation for units that are part way through coming out of an egg. It happens all the time...
i've seen this bug a couple times. and if i recall correctly, the eggs were STILL alive after the storm and there was NO blood after the lurkers vanished :O
On July 21 2011 16:02 Elyvilon wrote: This is going to be Fantasy/Modesty, fanta is by far the best player here and free and anyppi are both not very good right now.
On July 22 2011 02:23 dRaW wrote: Hmm I guess this means Fantasy will be in top form for SPL Finals.
lol, I wouldn't count on it. His performance in the proleague has been lackluster at best. let's hope he's going to perform better.
Oov has had a lot of time to prepare builds for the final. I'm quite sure Fantasy will do well in Shanghai, he's got the all-time best post-season record.
On July 22 2011 02:23 dRaW wrote: Hmm I guess this means Fantasy will be in top form for SPL Finals.
lol, I wouldn't count on it. His performance in the proleague has been lackluster at best. let's hope he's going to perform better.
Oov has had a lot of time to prepare builds for the final. I'm quite sure Fantasy will do well in Shanghai, he's got the all-time best post-season record.
That may be true, but I still feel SKT needs to ink down a more solid Terran. I mean, Fantasy has his highs but also his lows. Consistency like that of Bisu's, I feel, is really important especially in team leagues.
On July 22 2011 02:39 xXFireandIceXx wrote: That may be true, but I still feel SKT needs to ink down a more solid Terran. I mean, Fantasy has his highs but also his lows. Consistency like that of Bisu's, I feel, is really important especially in team leagues.
Its hard to have more solid Terran than Fantasy. Not only Terrans are generally inconsistent (with many periods of slump), but most of them struggle hard against protoss players, so terran with good TvP is worth of any money. So who else? Flash and...
you could just tell free was pissed after losing his entire probe line to TWO vultures with low hp and no mines. he impulsively attacked the natural and paid the price...
One of the caster said that this 3 base hydra is a new strategy variant .
What you do is you go for a 3 base 5 hatch hydra build and delay lair as long as possible. You only make a few hydras. Then when the first corsair arrives, it can't scout much because there are hydras. And since it detects no lair upgrade. P will have to constantly worry about a all-in hydra bust (the P reaction is cannon up the front). At this point Zerg has 2 choices, 1 is to drone if P cannons up(it was shown in a previous ZvP a few days ago). 2 is go real hydra bust if P doesn't have enough cannons.
Those 2 vultures killing the entire probe line for Fantasy were insane. One of another "wow" moment I've had watching it. It's only Fantasy who can do this. Really distinguishable play.
I'm pretty sure he was behind before vultures got him the decisive advantage.
So pissed off at Free right now. Loosing the probes in your natural to 2 vultures is one thing, but throwing the game away by suiciding your whole army should never happen in professional play.
On July 22 2011 02:39 xXFireandIceXx wrote: That may be true, but I still feel SKT needs to ink down a more solid Terran. I mean, Fantasy has his highs but also his lows. Consistency like that of Bisu's, I feel, is really important especially in team leagues.
Its hard to have more solid Terran than Fantasy. Not only Terrans are generally inconsistent (with many periods of slump), but most of them struggle hard against protoss players, so terran with good TvP is worth of any money. So who else? Flash and...
On July 22 2011 02:23 dRaW wrote: Hmm I guess this means Fantasy will be in top form for SPL Finals.
lol, I wouldn't count on it. His performance in the proleague has been lackluster at best. let's hope he's going to perform better.
Oov has had a lot of time to prepare builds for the final. I'm quite sure Fantasy will do well in Shanghai, he's got the all-time best post-season record.
That may be true, but I still feel SKT needs to ink down a more solid Terran. I mean, Fantasy has his highs but also his lows. Consistency like that of Bisu's, I feel, is really important especially in team leagues.
Are you f***ing? Consistency like Bisu? LOL Bisu was no where to be found last year in proleague and you talk about fantasy consistency? Fantasy is more consistent than Bisu and he recovers from slumps faster than Bisu. Bisu was gone all of last years PL and barely made a come back towards the end. Fantasy is the face of SKT. If it was a bo5 between fantasy vs bisu most people would have money riding on fantasy.
Bogus is starting to look good not going to lie. He has better bio than fanta but crappier mech control.
On July 22 2011 02:23 dRaW wrote: Hmm I guess this means Fantasy will be in top form for SPL Finals.
lol, I wouldn't count on it. His performance in the proleague has been lackluster at best. let's hope he's going to perform better.
Oov has had a lot of time to prepare builds for the final. I'm quite sure Fantasy will do well in Shanghai, he's got the all-time best post-season record.
That may be true, but I still feel SKT needs to ink down a more solid Terran. I mean, Fantasy has his highs but also his lows. Consistency like that of Bisu's, I feel, is really important especially in team leagues.
Are you f***ing? Consistency like Bisu? LOL Bisu was no where to be found last year in proleague and you talk about fantasy consistency? Fantasy is more consistent than Bisu and he recovers from slumps faster than Bisu. Bisu was gone all of last years PL and barely made a come back towards the end. Fantasy is the face of SKT. If it was a bo5 between fantasy vs bisu most people would have money riding on fantasy.
Bogus is starting to look good not going to lie. He has better bio than fanta but crappier mech control.
Fantasy's mech is only second to Flash, sometimes even better (In peak form). His bio is.... I have high hopes for Bogus though, but I'd like to see another season before making any conclusions.
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