Everything is on the line. Neither team can afford to slip now. Four teams, Hwaseung, STX, WeMade and Samsung are fighting for two spots. Someone will have to miss out.
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Khan have the advantage of being a win ahead of their three rivals. They also have a game in hand on OZ and STX. However, with the exception of STX they have an inferior games differential, which would be blown out to impossible to bridge levels should they lose today.
FOX are a win behind KHAN, but they have the equal best game differential of the four and a game in hand on OZ and STX.
With STX and OZ playing each other tomorrow, this match becomes even more critical.
HEAD TO HEAD RESULTS
WeMade are up 3-2 in the head to head record this season, including a 4-0 shutout in Round 2. Khan however won the most recent encounter, with their strong protoss line overcoming WeMade's terran heavy outfit.
Interestingly, no KHAN zergs have beaten a FOX player in proleague this season.
KEY PLAYERS
JangBi is on a roll. 16-2 for June so far, including individual leagues. He will be crucial and should the match go to an Ace, he would be my pick. WeMade's strongest players are Terrans, and Baby/Mind are almost certain to be sent on Beltway. Everyone knows just how good Jangbi is against Terrans when on form.
BaBy is surprisingly undefeated against Stork with a 3-0 record. He is also undefeated against Grape and Brave, while being 50% against Jangbi. This strong record against the formidable Khan protoss line will be essential to WeMade's chances.
FINAL PREDICTION
It's going to be close. Very very close. Jangbi's recent resurgence has been followed by Shine. Stork's slump has been matched by Mind. The emergence of the rookie Reality has been matched by WeMade's own in P7GAB. They are both highly dependent on one race and have one which is much weaker than the others. There isn't much separating these teams.
I feel that this will come to an ace match. It could very well depend on whether January or Trolluary decides to rock up and whether Wooki gets plunged in the deep end again or not.
Pretty important game in terms of playoffs. Not that it really matters to most fans here(KT/CJ/SKT1 are in already).
For Khan (current #5, 1 game ahead of WMF, 1.5 games ahead of STX and Oz), a win here puts them just about into the playoffs. And all they have to do is beat Ace(likely) or Oz(coin flip) to get in. Hopefully this is the case so they get extra time to prepare for the playoffs.
But if they lose here, they likely have to beat Oz and Ace to get in, as Oz and Wemade both have tie-breaker against Khan. Of course, it's possible 2 of Wemade/Oz/STX keep failing and Khan get in by default, but I really don't want it to come down to that.
For Wemade (current #6, 0.5 games ahead of Oz and STX) situation a bit more muddy. If they win, they control their own destiny. But if they lose, they'll be more or less tied with Oz and for all practical purposes, 1 game ahead of STX due to tie-breaker.
While I want Khan to win, I do wish they end up in 6th spot at the end. KT is a much more favorable MU for Khan, with their lack of zergs and Flash not auto-win against Khan protosses. Whereas the Stars lineup counters Khan in many ways.
Lets go Wemade. Lets hope our current form can propel ourselves into the playoffs. I can't remember the last time Wemade made it into any form of Proleague playoffs :o(. I think that was when the team was still sponsored by Pantech.
There's a funny image that I remember seeing that went something like "Stork is in the line up? TYVM club" and like 4 of them were wemade players cause
Pure is 5-0 against Stork Midas is 7-3 against Stork Roro is 2-0 against Stork Baby is 3-0 against Stork
On June 27 2011 02:47 Milkis wrote: There's a funny image that I remember seeing that went something like "Stork is in the line up? TYVM club" and like 4 of them were wemade players cause
Pure is 5-0 against Stork Midas is 7-3 against Stork Roro is 2-0 against Stork Baby is 3-0 against Stork
so wemade is the ultimate anti stork team.
That's not even funny its so bad. What's happening Storkuuu?
Neither Samsung and KHAN seem to have any maps where the same players play regularly, or even the same race. Very bizarre. So these predictions are almost certainly almost completely wrong.
Neither Samsung and KHAN seem to have any maps where the same players play regularly, or even the same race. Very bizarre. So these predictions are almost certainly almost completely wrong.
Neither Samsung and KHAN seem to have any maps where the same players play regularly, or even the same race. Very bizarre. So these predictions are almost certainly almost completely wrong.
mfw Ace match player doesn't play in the other six games.
Predict 4-1 WMF win.
In my defense, Baby often comes out on the best Terran map, which there isn't in this set until ace. I guess La Mancha instead of Midas is most likely.
On June 27 2011 02:47 Milkis wrote: There's a funny image that I remember seeing that went something like "Stork is in the line up? TYVM club" and like 4 of them were wemade players cause
Pure is 5-0 against Stork Midas is 7-3 against Stork Roro is 2-0 against Stork Baby is 3-0 against Stork
On June 27 2011 00:07 TranceStorm wrote: Lets go Wemade. Lets hope our current form can propel ourselves into the playoffs. I can't remember the last time Wemade made it into any form of Proleague playoffs :o(. I think that was when the team was still sponsored by Pantech.
They made it last season and beat MBC (despite Baby losing his socks) but then got knocked out by SKT
On June 27 2011 12:43 Kralic wrote: I'd think Roro can beat almost any Protoss these days. His turtle defense is insane. Go FOX! Sadly I cannot stay up for this one.
Roro's vP has indeed been impressive of late, in general he's had a good season but just been utr. Match with Jangbi/Stork might persuade me to turn the Stars game off, but probably not
I have honestly no idea who to root for. I love SBG and Jangbi and Grape and Great but I also want Roro, Baby, Mind and Wooki in the playoffs. And Jaedong too
Baby's 6 wraiths picking off marines among Reality's 5 tanks sieging outside Baby's 3rd - Reatliy's fewer wraiths come, cloak, get scanned and destroyed but 2 goliaths come
5 more goliaths move into 10 proper, Baby forced to retreat but no, he decides to use his scvs to fight instead, losing them to buffer for his tanks north of 10
Reality looks like he's taking a 3rd at 8 adding a rax in his mainagain
Baby made a few mistakes, with a misplaced bunker and a premature push I think, but he was mainly out of the game's rhythm, taking the 10 o' clock. I'm amazed that even though he sniped Reality's valk, it made no difference macro-wise
Reality played so well. The replay shows how he used his Valk as constant bait to bring wraiths in Goliath's fire, (and how Baby just let his wraith take it), and the how he pushed a line of 3 sieged tanks, finding the only and perfect pixel line where Baby's tank were in range just one at a time. Wonderful
Wooki trying to break up to Jangbi's megachoke - Jangbi's goons are on hold position... He does well - but Jangbi's new forces stop the attack by sheer numbers
Jangbi's army moving out towards 6, a shuttle moving forwards for him too But Wooki's observer nearby but a reaver dropped into Wooki's main, big scarab!
Man I'm still pissed off, Jangbi's streaks are ridiculous, if he had just won 2 games out of 20 during Winner's league, Khan would have made its final.
On June 27 2011 18:45 namtab166 wrote: Man I'm still pissed off, Jangbi's streaks are ridiculous, if he had just won 2 games out of 20 during Winner's league, Khan would have made its final.
*shrugs*
This is the best time for him to be on form - just as Playoffs approach
On June 27 2011 18:49 baubo wrote: Wooki must be some practice Bonjwa for Wemade to keep sending him. His PvPs against Jangbi and Bisu look incredibly lackluster.
Or WeMade could just be really desperate to develop a decent protoss?
On June 27 2011 02:47 Milkis wrote: There's a funny image that I remember seeing that went something like "Stork is in the line up? TYVM club" and like 4 of them were wemade players cause
Pure is 5-0 against Stork Midas is 7-3 against Stork Roro is 2-0 against Stork Baby is 3-0 against Stork
On June 27 2011 18:49 baubo wrote: Wooki must be some practice Bonjwa for Wemade to keep sending him. His PvPs against Jangbi and Bisu look incredibly lackluster.
Or WeMade could just be really desperate to develop a decent protoss?
Come on. Pure is awesome, or have you not seen his epic game against Leta in the MST(?) recently.
Vultures catch a huge probe maynard down to the bottom right! At least 10 probes die
Fleet beacon started, 2 stargates almost finished. Mind doesn't have any anti-air......
Goons and vultures niggling at each other near the map center
Vults get into Stork's nat and snipe about 5 probes. A different vulture group kill a reaver at the bottom right nat, which Stork has started constructing
Stork showed his typical PvT manliness with his gutsy push on the 3rd, but he didn't seem to be reinforcing like Mind could, his macro may have slipped. He definitely doesn't seem like his normal self...
Stork abandons his bases and takes his carriers to 12 to try and kill it. Mind has destroyed 4oclock and moving into bottom right main
All of Stork's bases are now dead except his main, he isn't mining. Goons harrassing the defenceless bottom left main of Mind, pair of goons repelled at 9oclock
On June 27 2011 19:17 nok.jp wrote: why Stork... why... ( ;- what was the bad point of Stork in this game...?
I think something was up with his macro earlier on, he went zealot heavy expecting passivity from mind (fair really, it's how Mind typically plays) but ran into mass vultures instead, which wrecked lots of probes and also did quite a lot with mines.
He went carriers more out of desperation or habit than for any great purpose, as far as I could tell.
Bunch o zealots catch a few hydra near 5 as they moved out to protect an ovie - sairs kill the ovie and now check out Roro's main - 2 dts dropped there! spore/sunken being added
nice, win game with 1 unit in a shuttle, so much skill required. -____-
I'm amazed with how much of amazed exclamations it causes. But practice says that those people just disappear, as they actually can't play. -___- Just like Snow after that 1/4 with Jaedong. To be good you must have a versatile skill and not only to drop 1 unit and storm enemy's workers. -___-
On June 27 2011 19:47 _Quasar_ wrote: nice, win game with 1 unit in a shuttle, so much skill required. -____-
I'm amazed with how much of amazed exclamations it causes. But practice says that those people just disappear, as they actually can't play. -___- Just like Snow after that 1/4 with Jaedong. To be good you must have a versatile skill and not only to drop 1 unit and storm enemy's workers. -___-
You can't blame him for doing the same thing over and over when it was so effective. Besides, it's just one game, don't assume grape is one dimensional.
On June 27 2011 19:47 _Quasar_ wrote: nice, win game with 1 unit in a shuttle, so much skill required. -____-
I'm amazed with how much of amazed exclamations it causes. But practice says that those people just disappear, as they actually can't play. -___- Just like Snow after that 1/4 with Jaedong. To be good you must have a versatile skill and not only to drop 1 unit and storm enemy's workers. -___-
Or Roro could have you know, kept the sair count lower and actually kill that shuttle.
On June 27 2011 19:47 _Quasar_ wrote: nice, win game with 1 unit in a shuttle, so much skill required. -____-
I'm amazed with how much of amazed exclamations it causes. But practice says that those people just disappear, as they actually can't play. -___- Just like Snow after that 1/4 with Jaedong. To be good you must have a versatile skill and not only to drop 1 unit and storm enemy's workers. -___-
To be good you have to beat good players, it doesn't matter how. Grape just did that and it was Roro's fault for losing to it.
To be fair, grape looked amazing partially due to his holding that initial ling-break. Roro had to turtle and go with econ, allowing grape to get his tech+expansion without any fear from mass hydras. And Roro had no units to defend against harass.
The game goes more to show how getting behind on econ early can just screw you over badly in the mid-to-late game.
And obs out, the lurker cleared out - but it did get a few probes I think
goon/zealot/templar trying to break the hydra outside Brave's nat - a lot of hydra corpses but Hero has a ton more hydra and morphing lurkers to the SW
Khan looks about 90% in. Their competitors all get to beat each other up, and Khan gets to play Ace once. Not underestimating Ace, but they're still weaker than other teams.
1-1 to finish will be enough. 0-2 finish will be somewhat enough depending on tie-breaker.
On June 27 2011 20:20 Legatus Lanius wrote: well done to khan. rookies are very promising
collectively the most promising among ALL the teams, I'd say.
theyre still missing a decent zerg though. juni and rarity or w/e his name is are BAD, and great seems to have given up the ghost since he got bludgeoned in that msl final
On June 27 2011 18:49 baubo wrote: Wooki must be some practice Bonjwa for Wemade to keep sending him. His PvPs against Jangbi and Bisu look incredibly lackluster.
Or, you know, he was playing Bisu and JangBi. He's a rookie, 7-6 in PL/WL: his losses are Action x2, Horang2, soO, Bisu, and now Jangbi. He's beaten M18M (promising KHAN rookie before going to ACE), Leta (although Leta's TvP isn't the best), (not so) great, wOw (some other rookie), HyuN (MBC's best Zerg), ggaemo ("Military Jaedong"), and Stats (KT's 2nd best players).
Given how pathetic WeMade's other Protoss are (Pure ("I'm 9-17 on the season but I'm really pretty so who cares?" and LuCifer ("My 3-7 record makes Pure look good!", aka "the other 이영호")), of course Wooki gets sent.
Wemade...They've been slip-sliding away lately. Hopefully they sneak into the playoffs but I'm slowly losing faith, especially after that SKT Reversal Loss. :S
On June 27 2011 18:49 baubo wrote: Wooki must be some practice Bonjwa for Wemade to keep sending him. His PvPs against Jangbi and Bisu look incredibly lackluster.
Or, you know, he was playing Bisu and JangBi. He's a rookie, 7-6 in PL/WL: his losses are Action x2, Horang2, soO, Bisu, and now Jangbi. He's beaten M18M (promising KHAN rookie before going to ACE), Leta (although Leta's TvP isn't the best), (not so) great, wOw (some other rookie), HyuN (MBC's best Zerg), ggaemo ("Military Jaedong"), and Stats (KT's 2nd best players).
Given how pathetic WeMade's other Protoss are (Pure ("I'm 9-17 on the season but I'm really pretty so who cares?" and LuCifer ("My 3-7 record makes Pure look good!", aka "the other 이영호")), of course Wooki gets sent.
I want to reiterate that I said "he looked lackluster". That's different from saying "he lost". I don't care if he lost. A young player can lose and still show potential. Reality lost a lot when he first played, and he still loses his fair share of games. But you can see through his games why he might be something special.
I haven't watched any of Wookie's other games. But he basically looked like cookie-cutter protoss to me. There's no amazing control, no star-sense, no interesting BOs, nothing. It's like his upside is basically Pure.
Just watched JB vs WK, oh my those early Goon/Lot micro from JB was superb!!!! And the ballzy 2 shuttle play was cool too. I think JB's PvP skill is finally on par with his peak. He is still untested in PvZ and PvT though.
Man KHAN have some killer PvZ builds prepared these days. Grape with his acrobatic harassment style and Grape with sick huge army control. I can foresee Khan trading off though next season
It's interesting that his 1 base PvZ seems to works. Interesting indeed, I always wondered why don't pro's do this more often - is that really SO 100% true that any player always will counter, for example, 2 gate pressure? Especially with seeing how they always no scout put 3th base...
On June 27 2011 18:49 baubo wrote: Wooki must be some practice Bonjwa for Wemade to keep sending him. His PvPs against Jangbi and Bisu look incredibly lackluster.
Or, you know, he was playing Bisu and JangBi. He's a rookie, 7-6 in PL/WL: his losses are Action x2, Horang2, soO, Bisu, and now Jangbi. He's beaten M18M (promising KHAN rookie before going to ACE), Leta (although Leta's TvP isn't the best), (not so) great, wOw (some other rookie), HyuN (MBC's best Zerg), ggaemo ("Military Jaedong"), and Stats (KT's 2nd best players).
Given how pathetic WeMade's other Protoss are (Pure ("I'm 9-17 on the season but I'm really pretty so who cares?" and LuCifer ("My 3-7 record makes Pure look good!", aka "the other 이영호")), of course Wooki gets sent.
I want to reiterate that I said "he looked lackluster". That's different from saying "he lost". I don't care if he lost. A young player can lose and still show potential. Reality lost a lot when he first played, and he still loses his fair share of games. But you can see through his games why he might be something special.
I haven't watched any of Wookie's other games. But he basically looked like cookie-cutter protoss to me. There's no amazing control, no star-sense, no interesting BOs, nothing. It's like his upside is basically Pure.
I tend to think that most young players will look lackluster against top-notch competition. I haven't watched Wooki's games regularly, but reading LRs he's definitely been impressing people, overall - and his record bears this out. From everything I've seen, he's already better than Pure ever was (except maybe on that one starleague run), which looks good for his future career.
On June 27 2011 18:49 baubo wrote: Wooki must be some practice Bonjwa for Wemade to keep sending him. His PvPs against Jangbi and Bisu look incredibly lackluster.
Or, you know, he was playing Bisu and JangBi. He's a rookie, 7-6 in PL/WL: his losses are Action x2, Horang2, soO, Bisu, and now Jangbi. He's beaten M18M (promising KHAN rookie before going to ACE), Leta (although Leta's TvP isn't the best), (not so) great, wOw (some other rookie), HyuN (MBC's best Zerg), ggaemo ("Military Jaedong"), and Stats (KT's 2nd best players).
Given how pathetic WeMade's other Protoss are (Pure ("I'm 9-17 on the season but I'm really pretty so who cares?" and LuCifer ("My 3-7 record makes Pure look good!", aka "the other 이영호")), of course Wooki gets sent.
I want to reiterate that I said "he looked lackluster". That's different from saying "he lost". I don't care if he lost. A young player can lose and still show potential. Reality lost a lot when he first played, and he still loses his fair share of games. But you can see through his games why he might be something special.
I haven't watched any of Wookie's other games. But he basically looked like cookie-cutter protoss to me. There's no amazing control, no star-sense, no interesting BOs, nothing. It's like his upside is basically Pure.
I tend to think that most young players will look lackluster against top-notch competition. I haven't watched Wooki's games regularly, but reading LRs he's definitely been impressing people, overall - and his record bears this out. From everything I've seen, he's already better than Pure ever was (except maybe on that one starleague run), which looks good for his future career.
Wooki usually plays a lot better than he did that game. The problem is, he's still a rookie, he's played 13 games on stage and is in probably the biggest game of his career, he just came off losing his first ever ace match, and he ran into a red hot JangBi. I still think he's got a ton of potential.
Reality, though... that guy's an enigma. He's capable of stomping the best on his best days, then on others...
On June 28 2011 02:33 Xiphos wrote: Just watched JB vs WK, oh my those early Goon/Lot micro from JB was superb!!!! And the ballzy 2 shuttle play was cool too. I think JB's PvP skill is finally on par with his peak. He is still untested in PvZ and PvT though.
Man KHAN have some killer PvZ builds prepared these days. Grape with his acrobatic harassment style and Grape with sick huge army control. I can foresee Khan trading off though next season
I don't think Khan has ever traded anyone off. At most they acquired Grape from the sinking wreckage that was estro.
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