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trexbqs
Malaysia1731 Posts
On April 09 2011 22:38 bITt.mAN wrote: OH MY FUCKING GOD HOW THE HELL DID I FORGET TO POST THIS!?!?! ![[image loading]](http://imgnews.naver.com/image/dailyesports/2010/08/01/20100801_e63192a9e3ca1e31a40387fe82fc9ad3.jpg) Guys on the left = KT Zergs ^^ s2 got the power from fantasy . this picture is hilarious. canata.... | ||
Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
It is Canata I think | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/865/underbanners.png) ![[image loading]](http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/1637/resultso.png) + Show Spoiler +  s2 < Bloody Ridge > Action+ Show Spoiler [Details] + s2 had to ppp twice vs Action because of hardware issues, and then there was a regame. s2 < Fortress SE >Crazy-Hydras2 < Icarus >  Statss2 < Circuit Breaker >  FlashBisu < Aztec > Flash< La Mancha > < Empire of the Sun > SKT 4-1 KT ![[image loading]](http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/5451/gamesce.png) + Show Spoiler + Posting this one last time in case people want the recommended games. | ||
Spica
United States5582 Posts
So that we can spam it everywhere. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On April 09 2011 22:34 ghrur wrote: Idk, I feel that the build worked because A. It's a reverse ramp, Rines can't just shoot from the highground B. Flash scouted Bisu second, and so wasn't expecting so many lots from a forward-gate C. No bunker for the hurt marines  I think if Flash scouted bisu first, he could've gone for a bunker rush and caused a gg right there. I mean, we all saw how pretty his rine micro was.  Uh, Bisu's early zealots would have made a bunker rush very difficult to pull off, and a failed bunker rush would've similarly put flash economically behind | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On April 09 2011 22:42 Spica wrote: I demand a gif of Bisu bouncing in glee in his seat So that we can spam it everywhere. Yeeeesss...... *chant chant chant* | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1286 Posts
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On April 09 2011 22:42 Spica wrote: I demand a gif of Bisu bouncing in glee in his seat So that we can spam it everywhere. As I said before, I'll make it as soon as the VOD is out. | ||
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kuroshiroi
3149 Posts
On April 09 2011 22:39 Murderotica wrote: Indeed. Microing Zealots is Bisu's forte, I doubt he'd even break a sweat while microing 3 at a time while making probes and stuff.You clearly haven't played this game enough (hence you not knowing that Zeal micro is intense vs scv/rine and can really put you in the hole, that it slows your tech and thus makes you vulnerable to vultures or counter-pressure, etc.) and you clearly are too biased to give any credit where it's due because Bisu WAS microing and not a-moving. Please pull your head out of you know where. | ||
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revy
United States1524 Posts
On April 09 2011 22:38 xarthaz wrote: Uhh yes it WAS cost effective early harassment from ressource POV. Flash lost a ton of mining time microing with scvs, losing scvs(remember, each scv is worth its mineral cost AND the amount of mining forgone due to its death) and marines. Thats why his 2 base push was so weak compared to the macro that bisu had up at the time. His 2 base push was "weak" because it was going up against a 4 base toss! In my opinion Flash very effectively defended that zealot harass losing a minimal amount. The strength of Bisu's build was NOT in how much mining time/SCV/marine kills he got but in how long it kept Flash on the back foot. Recall that Bisu had his expansion up quite delayed as a result of his zealot pressure. Again I feel that from a pure resource perspective the lost mining time from Bisu's much delayed nat + cost of lost units < cost of Flash's lost units + lost mining time. Again I'm not saying it wasn't an effective opening, it very much was, I'm saying that its chief strength was in the amount of time it kept Flash reeling and how this allowed him to establish 4 bases. | ||
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
Well played by Bisu, and as you've seen from fantasy's play on this map, it isn't THAT imbalanced. | ||
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Rtran10
Canada78 Posts
If this build was planned, he definitely considered the possibility of flash scouting him first like bisu did himself, and would of branched off maybe into a different build. | ||
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hauton
Hong Kong743 Posts
On April 09 2011 22:39 VGhost wrote: I don't think Action's that good, but he's got his points: if he survives to late-game he's amazing, sort of an anti-Kwanro. If you want to hate on somebody, what about KT's player choices? Action to lead off (against "probably a Protoss" even though it wasn't) is a decent idea - you're not wasting a good player. But then if you're determined to make your other two CH and Stats - which I would advocate, they're KT's two best non-Flash players - why send Crazy-Hydra on Fortress and Stats on Icarus? Should clearly have been the other way around. I think the problem was that KT prepped their lineup without really considering the possibility of players not winning their first game. In all honesty I would pick any of KT's zergs over Action. Perfective shows promise, HoeJJa and Yellow are experienced, Crazy-Hydra is a coinflip. Action is a choke. Guaranteed. Everyone has analyzed him now - like you said, he's a good lategame zerg. So guess what? Nobody lets him get to lategame. Easy enough to do against a Zerg nowadays, to be brutally honest. | ||
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Musou
1375 Posts
On April 09 2011 22:43 kamikami wrote: So, KT fans, it's all fair and square. 21/4 we will again see Bisu vs Flash, but on a Terran favored map. So no need for whining about map imba, next time you guys will have map advantage. I don't think you can fairly say Monte Cristo is terran favored when no games have even been played on it yet. Everyone seems to assume (wrongly) that every map is terran favored when they first come out. | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
On April 09 2011 22:43 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: Incidently, someone should totally make a gif of bisu being giddy like a girl when he broke that contain :D Awesome moment! yeah, that was so gay lol. but oh well, i guess SKT deserved the win. | ||
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Lachrymose
Australia1928 Posts
On April 09 2011 22:42 Spica wrote: I demand a gif of Bisu bouncing in glee in his seat So that we can spam it everywhere. somebody! hurry! i want it so badly! | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On April 09 2011 22:42 Kamille wrote: ppp OGN's fault. Although if it really was on purpose, that SKT figured out a way to screw up the computer's sound output just by plugging in earbuds/keyboard/mouse so much that Kespa refs using another headset also got no sound... then nobody would ever admit to it, of course. | ||
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3339 Posts
On April 09 2011 22:37 Zona wrote: First of all, did you keep a count of how many marines and scvs Flash lost? It was no small number. You can't measure things just in a "purely resource respect", either, since Bisu was able to get away with 1 gate expo (before core!) which is normally incredibly dangerous vs Terran. not only that... but flash was pulling scvs left and right to help the fight sacrificing precious mining time... and also flash had to get the early vulture before tank because of the two zealots... if he had skipped the vulture and tried tank, he might have lost even more scvs before that... but then sacrificing the early tank made it hard because dragoon range was killing the bunker so flash's economy was draining even more... all because of the zealots... and you call this not cost effective?  | ||
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