On April 09 2011 22:27 Zona wrote: Both Flash and fans were dismissing the idea that a build could get the better of Flash, but time to eat your words. 1 gate expo (before core!) with zealot pump worked perfectly to set up Bisu for a significant eco advantage midgame
finally some wise analysis I am looking for among countless empty "Bisu is so imba" posts. I still think its not that difficult to prepare a good build when you know your enemy. And todays Bisu victory also lies on the shoulders of his teammates.
Idk, I feel that the build worked because A. It's a reverse ramp, Rines can't just shoot from the highground B. Flash scouted Bisu second, and so wasn't expecting so many lots from a forward-gate C. No bunker for the hurt marines
I think if Flash scouted bisu first, he could've gone for a bunker rush and caused a gg right there. I mean, we all saw how pretty his rine micro was.
On April 09 2011 22:28 trexbqs wrote: KT lost =( but today s2 prove to me he is really good and playing very well today which his 3 kills contribute to SKT win. congrats SKT and thanks s2 and Bisu.
Flash...I feel sorry for him. wonder his hand condition.
thanks to all streamer for the streams.
Flash did say in an interview lately that his hand was fine.
thanks for the info.
Afrotoss...and s2 congrats for MVP. you deserved it.
On April 09 2011 22:27 Zona wrote: Both Flash and fans were dismissing the idea that a build could get the better of Flash, but time to eat your words. 1 gate expo (before core!) with zealot pump worked perfectly to set up Bisu for a significant eco advantage midgame
finally some wise analysis I am looking for among countless empty "Bisu is so imba" posts. I still think its not that difficult to prepare a good build when you know your enemy. And todays Bisu victory also lies on the shoulders of his teammates.
Idk, I feel that the build worked because A. It's a reverse ramp, Rines can't just shoot from the highground B. Flash scouted Bisu second, and so wasn't expecting so many lots from a forward-gate C. No bunker for the hurt marines
I think if Flash scouted bisu first, he could've gone for a bunker rush and caused a gg right there. I mean, we all saw how pretty his rine micro was.
Flash went forward-rax right into CC. He was just asking to be attacked by zealots by not bunkering up. Bisu punished him for it. I remember Fantasy did something similar on this map as well and had the same thing happen to him.
On April 09 2011 22:27 Zona wrote: Both Flash and fans were dismissing the idea that a build could get the better of Flash, but time to eat your words. 1 gate expo (before core!) with zealot pump worked perfectly to set up Bisu for a significant eco advantage midgame
finally some wise analysis I am looking for among countless empty "Bisu is so imba" posts. I still think its not that difficult to prepare a good build when you know your enemy. And todays Bisu victory also lies on the shoulders of his teammates.
Gate-FE has always been the most ideal counter-build against Rax-FE I think, but if Terran happens to go FD then Protoss is fucked, so you don't see Gate-FE very much..
On April 09 2011 22:29 zeru wrote: s2 ruined everything QQ
Action ruined everything. Seriously the guy is a liability, plain and simple. I hate seeing him play because it's always a loss unless the game doesn't matter or it's against ACE or other weaklings.
Guy hasn't had a 3 or more game winstreak since Nov that hasn't been padded with wins over ACE players.
I wouldn't trust him to lead off a friendly Special Event, much less the biggest match of the year.
God it's hard to overstate how much I hate that guy. Get rid of him ASAP PLEASE.
On April 09 2011 22:27 Zona wrote: Both Flash and fans were dismissing the idea that a build could get the better of Flash, but time to eat your words. 1 gate expo (before core!) with zealot pump worked perfectly to set up Bisu for a significant eco advantage midgame
finally some wise analysis I am looking for among countless empty "Bisu is so imba" posts. I still think its not that difficult to prepare a good build when you know your enemy. And todays Bisu victory also lies on the shoulders of his teammates.
Idk, I feel that the build worked because A. It's a reverse ramp, Rines can't just shoot from the highground B. Flash scouted Bisu second, and so wasn't expecting so many lots from a forward-gate C. No bunker for the hurt marines
I think if Flash scouted bisu first, he could've gone for a bunker rush and caused a gg right there. I mean, we all saw how pretty his rine micro was.
Flash went forward-rax right into CC. He was just asking to be attacked by zealots by not bunkering up. Bisu punished him for it. I remember Fantasy did something similar on this map as well and had the same thing happen to him.
Given the layout of Aztec's natural, what would bunkering up do except make it easier for the zealots to run into his main?
On April 09 2011 22:27 Zona wrote: Both Flash and fans were dismissing the idea that a build could get the better of Flash, but time to eat your words. 1 gate expo (before core!) with zealot pump worked perfectly to set up Bisu for a significant eco advantage midgame
finally some wise analysis I am looking for among countless empty "Bisu is so imba" posts. I still think its not that difficult to prepare a good build when you know your enemy. And todays Bisu victory also lies on the shoulders of his teammates.
Gate-FE has always been the most ideal counter-build against Rax-FE I think, but if Terran happens to go FD then Protoss is fucked, so you don't see Gate-FE very much..
The early zealot kept trading for at least equal number of minerals every time they died. So they were really worth it to delay Flash's facts and macro.
[QUOTE]On April 09 2011 22:35 Dante08 wrote: [QUOTE]On April 09 2011 22:33 Reyis wrote: [QUOTE]On April 09 2011 22:30 iMp.will. wrote: Map..postitions..zealots unbalanced Lol. Bisu just raped Flash. WAKE UP~[/QUOTE]
I would really love to see them play in the exact same position again. It would have a diferent result IMO[/QUOTE] I doubt that. It would take a miracle for Flash to overcome the map and win.
On April 09 2011 22:33 revy wrote: From a purely resource respect the initial zealot harass was not cost effective but it kept Flash penned back while he was comfortable to take and lock up four bases.
First of all, did you keep a count of how many marines and scvs Flash lost? It was no small number. You can't measure things just in a "purely resource respect", either, since Bisu was able to get away with 1 gate expo (before core!) which is normally incredibly dangerous vs Terran.
On April 09 2011 22:28 shadymmj wrote: Well stop saying it was a good build, I don't think it was even on this map, if flash scouted bisu at the same time bisu scouted him, do you honestly think it would have worked?
It was a tremendous anti-flash build. Specifically, Flash lost a bunch of SCVs and had his natural expo denied. I still think that might not have been enough, but Bisu then kept his goons forward and denied the vultures Flash sent to even things out, forcing a full-scale push to break the contain.
I still think Flash should have set up and turtled at his nat/3rd, but that would risk 4/5 base carriers, which would have been just as bad.
Build or micro, Flash got put on the back foot early, and Bisu played it out just right.
i would agree with this assessment along with some acknowledgment of luck.
WOW I LOVE TEH TEAM"S REACTION TO BISU BOUNCING IN HIS SEAT!!!! haha ths is an awesome highlights felt bad for Yellow, Reach, and Nal ra though... just so unlucky...
On April 09 2011 22:36 Hazard wrote: Yes congrats to SKT team and coaching - they made a great team. s2 was really inexperienced for finals but they prepared him to play his best.
EPT
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