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ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
April 09 2011 13:34 GMT
#4081
On April 09 2011 22:31 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:27 Zona wrote:
Both Flash and fans were dismissing the idea that a build could get the better of Flash, but time to eat your words. 1 gate expo (before core!) with zealot pump worked perfectly to set up Bisu for a significant eco advantage midgame

finally some wise analysis I am looking for among countless empty "Bisu is so imba" posts.
I still think its not that difficult to prepare a good build when you know your enemy. And todays Bisu victory also lies on the shoulders of his teammates.


Idk, I feel that the build worked because
A. It's a reverse ramp, Rines can't just shoot from the highground
B. Flash scouted Bisu second, and so wasn't expecting so many lots from a forward-gate
C. No bunker for the hurt marines

I think if Flash scouted bisu first, he could've gone for a bunker rush and caused a gg right there. I mean, we all saw how pretty his rine micro was.
darkness overpowering
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1711 Posts
April 09 2011 13:34 GMT
#4082
BISU!!! now it's time to practice for your msl!
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
Hyde
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia14568 Posts
April 09 2011 13:34 GMT
#4083
Montage time!
Because when you left, Brood War was all spotlights and titans. Now, with the death of the big leagues, Brood War has moved to the basements and carparks. Now, Brood War is unlicensed brawls, lost teeth, and bloody fights for fistfulls of money - SirJolt
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
April 09 2011 13:34 GMT
#4084
I WANT MORE KANGMIN THO!

What song is this?
Yargh
trexbqs
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia1731 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 13:37:12
April 09 2011 13:34 GMT
#4085
On April 09 2011 22:31 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:28 trexbqs wrote:
KT lost =( but today s2 prove to me he is really good and playing very well today which his 3 kills contribute to SKT win. congrats SKT and thanks s2 and Bisu.

Flash...I feel sorry for him. wonder his hand condition.

thanks to all streamer for the streams.

Flash did say in an interview lately that his hand was fine.


thanks for the info.

Afrotoss...and s2 congrats for MVP. you deserved it.
Learn,live and love it.
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3336 Posts
April 09 2011 13:34 GMT
#4086
can't miss the highlights
by the way.. skt has such awesome outfits...
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 13:35:35
April 09 2011 13:35 GMT
#4087
On April 09 2011 22:34 ghrur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:31 letian wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:27 Zona wrote:
Both Flash and fans were dismissing the idea that a build could get the better of Flash, but time to eat your words. 1 gate expo (before core!) with zealot pump worked perfectly to set up Bisu for a significant eco advantage midgame

finally some wise analysis I am looking for among countless empty "Bisu is so imba" posts.
I still think its not that difficult to prepare a good build when you know your enemy. And todays Bisu victory also lies on the shoulders of his teammates.


Idk, I feel that the build worked because
A. It's a reverse ramp, Rines can't just shoot from the highground
B. Flash scouted Bisu second, and so wasn't expecting so many lots from a forward-gate
C. No bunker for the hurt marines

I think if Flash scouted bisu first, he could've gone for a bunker rush and caused a gg right there. I mean, we all saw how pretty his rine micro was.

Flash went forward-rax right into CC. He was just asking to be attacked by zealots by not bunkering up. Bisu punished him for it. I remember Fantasy did something similar on this map as well and had the same thing happen to him.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
April 09 2011 13:35 GMT
#4088
On April 09 2011 22:31 letian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:27 Zona wrote:
Both Flash and fans were dismissing the idea that a build could get the better of Flash, but time to eat your words. 1 gate expo (before core!) with zealot pump worked perfectly to set up Bisu for a significant eco advantage midgame

finally some wise analysis I am looking for among countless empty "Bisu is so imba" posts.
I still think its not that difficult to prepare a good build when you know your enemy. And todays Bisu victory also lies on the shoulders of his teammates.

Gate-FE has always been the most ideal counter-build against Rax-FE I think, but if Terran happens to go FD then Protoss is fucked, so you don't see Gate-FE very much..
Writerptrk
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
April 09 2011 13:35 GMT
#4089
On April 09 2011 22:29 zeru wrote:
s2 ruined everything QQ

Action ruined everything. Seriously the guy is a liability, plain and simple. I hate seeing him play because it's always a loss unless the game doesn't matter or it's against ACE or other weaklings.

Guy hasn't had a 3 or more game winstreak since Nov that hasn't been padded with wins over ACE players.

I wouldn't trust him to lead off a friendly Special Event, much less the biggest match of the year.

God it's hard to overstate how much I hate that guy. Get rid of him ASAP PLEASE.
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4139 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 13:37:04
April 09 2011 13:35 GMT
#4090
On April 09 2011 22:30 iMp.will. wrote:
Map..postitions..zealots unbalanced Lol. Bisu just raped Flash. WAKE UP~



I would really love to see them play in the exact same position again. It would have a diferent result IMO
Hazard
Profile Joined September 2009
Norway594 Posts
April 09 2011 13:36 GMT
#4091
Yes congrats to SKT team and coaching - they made a great team. s2 was really inexperienced for finals but they prepared him to play his best.
"Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk Cafe! He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
April 09 2011 13:37 GMT
#4092
On April 09 2011 22:35 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:34 ghrur wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:31 letian wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:27 Zona wrote:
Both Flash and fans were dismissing the idea that a build could get the better of Flash, but time to eat your words. 1 gate expo (before core!) with zealot pump worked perfectly to set up Bisu for a significant eco advantage midgame

finally some wise analysis I am looking for among countless empty "Bisu is so imba" posts.
I still think its not that difficult to prepare a good build when you know your enemy. And todays Bisu victory also lies on the shoulders of his teammates.


Idk, I feel that the build worked because
A. It's a reverse ramp, Rines can't just shoot from the highground
B. Flash scouted Bisu second, and so wasn't expecting so many lots from a forward-gate
C. No bunker for the hurt marines

I think if Flash scouted bisu first, he could've gone for a bunker rush and caused a gg right there. I mean, we all saw how pretty his rine micro was.

Flash went forward-rax right into CC. He was just asking to be attacked by zealots by not bunkering up. Bisu punished him for it. I remember Fantasy did something similar on this map as well and had the same thing happen to him.

Given the layout of Aztec's natural, what would bunkering up do except make it easier for the zealots to run into his main?
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
April 09 2011 13:37 GMT
#4093
On April 09 2011 22:35 ArvickHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:31 letian wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:27 Zona wrote:
Both Flash and fans were dismissing the idea that a build could get the better of Flash, but time to eat your words. 1 gate expo (before core!) with zealot pump worked perfectly to set up Bisu for a significant eco advantage midgame

finally some wise analysis I am looking for among countless empty "Bisu is so imba" posts.
I still think its not that difficult to prepare a good build when you know your enemy. And todays Bisu victory also lies on the shoulders of his teammates.

Gate-FE has always been the most ideal counter-build against Rax-FE I think, but if Terran happens to go FD then Protoss is fucked, so you don't see Gate-FE very much..

The early zealot kept trading for at least equal number of minerals every time they died. So they were really worth it to delay Flash's facts and macro.
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
April 09 2011 13:37 GMT
#4094
[QUOTE]On April 09 2011 22:35 Dante08 wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 09 2011 22:33 Reyis wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 09 2011 22:30 iMp.will. wrote:
Map..postitions..zealots unbalanced Lol. Bisu just raped Flash. WAKE UP~[/QUOTE]


I would really love to see them play in the exact same position again. It would have a diferent result IMO[/QUOTE]
I doubt that. It would take a miracle for Flash to overcome the map and win.
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
April 09 2011 13:37 GMT
#4095
What is up with Oovs hair ? o.o
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 09 2011 13:37 GMT
#4096
On April 09 2011 22:33 revy wrote:
From a purely resource respect the initial zealot harass was not cost effective but it kept Flash penned back while he was comfortable to take and lock up four bases.

First of all, did you keep a count of how many marines and scvs Flash lost? It was no small number. You can't measure things just in a "purely resource respect", either, since Bisu was able to get away with 1 gate expo (before core!) which is normally incredibly dangerous vs Terran.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
April 09 2011 13:37 GMT
#4097
On April 09 2011 22:32 VGhost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:28 shadymmj wrote:
Well stop saying it was a good build, I don't think it was even on this map, if flash scouted bisu at the same time bisu scouted him, do you honestly think it would have worked?


It was a tremendous anti-flash build. Specifically, Flash lost a bunch of SCVs and had his natural expo denied. I still think that might not have been enough, but Bisu then kept his goons forward and denied the vultures Flash sent to even things out, forcing a full-scale push to break the contain.

I still think Flash should have set up and turtled at his nat/3rd, but that would risk 4/5 base carriers, which would have been just as bad.

Build or micro, Flash got put on the back foot early, and Bisu played it out just right.


i would agree with this assessment along with some acknowledgment of luck.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3336 Posts
April 09 2011 13:37 GMT
#4098
WOW I LOVE TEH TEAM"S REACTION TO BISU BOUNCING IN HIS SEAT!!!!
haha ths is an awesome highlights felt bad for Yellow, Reach, and Nal ra though...
just so unlucky...
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
April 09 2011 13:37 GMT
#4099
On April 09 2011 22:36 Hazard wrote:
Yes congrats to SKT team and coaching - they made a great team. s2 was really inexperienced for finals but they prepared him to play his best.

SKT1 Zerg Line viable! Truth!
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
April 09 2011 13:38 GMT
#4100
OH MY FUCKING GOD HOW THE HELL DID I FORGET TO POST THIS!?!?!

[image loading]

Guys on the left = KT Zergs ^^
BW4LYF . . . . . . PM me, I LOVE PMs. . . . . . Long live "NaDa's Body" . . . . . . Fantasy | Bisu/Best | Jaedong . . . . .
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