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hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2344 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 13:52:40
April 09 2011 13:50 GMT
#4161
On April 09 2011 22:26 GTR wrote:
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i just had to t.t



Lol, am i the only one that see some similarities to this one? ---->
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http://encyclopediadramatica.com/File:Trollface_More_HD.png
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
April 09 2011 13:51 GMT
#4162
On April 09 2011 22:49 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:47 ]343[ wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:41 BoldMan wrote:
lol all you guys complaining about map balance etc etc


Did you know that map imbalance *gasp* exists? And that Aztec is *gasp* 65% PvT?

Did you know that as of now, your rights to complain about Bisu whining about map imba are forfeit?
I'll agree that there's map imbalance though.

I don't even begrudge Bisu beating Flash on this map.

I begrudge this map being in the rotation for THREE HUNDRED GAMES without being taken out. That's just obnoxious.
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
aupstar
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia912 Posts
April 09 2011 13:51 GMT
#4163
On April 09 2011 22:47 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:44 revy wrote:
His 2 base push was "weak" because it was going up against a 4 base toss! In my opinion Flash very effectively defended that zealot harass losing a minimal amount. The strength of Bisu's build was NOT in how much mining time/SCV/marine kills he got but in how long it kept Flash on the back foot. Recall that Bisu had his expansion up quite delayed as a result of his zealot pressure. Again I feel that from a pure resource perspective the lost mining time from Bisu's much delayed nat + cost of lost units < cost of Flash's lost units + lost mining time. Again I'm not saying it wasn't an effective opening, it very much was, I'm saying that its chief strength was in the amount of time it kept Flash reeling and how this allowed him to establish 4 bases.

What the heck are you talking about? First, how can you put someone on the back foot unless you're causing them to lose mining time/loser workers/lose units (or delay their tech)? Flash was on the "back foot" precisely because of the damage Bisu's zealots did.

Further more, Bisu's "much delayed nat"? WTF? Bisu's nat was EXTRA EARLY because he took his nat even before his core.

I rarely go out of my way to say something like this, but you don't know what you're talking about.


I hope you post more in future..<3
Firebats, the natural enemy of octozerg
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
April 09 2011 13:51 GMT
#4164
On April 09 2011 22:39 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:37 Necosarius wrote:
What is up with Oovs hair ? o.o

Stress. Maybe dye.

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On April 09 2011 22:37 Zona wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:33 revy wrote:
From a purely resource respect the initial zealot harass was not cost effective but it kept Flash penned back while he was comfortable to take and lock up four bases.

First of all, did you keep a count of how many marines and scvs Flash lost? It was no small number. You can't measure things just in a "purely resource respect", either, since Bisu was able to get away with 1 gate expo (before core!) which is normally incredibly dangerous vs Terran.

I tried keeping count. While I didn't manage to keep track of all of them, all the zealots I did managed to trade themselves for 100+ mineral by killing combinations of marines and SCVs (or at least, kill one and set another zealot up for 3 kills).

Yeah, and remember each worker is worth a LOT MORE than 50 minerals even, especially in a typically long macro matchup like pvt where the scarce worker production time is the main limitation to economic scale
Aah thats the stuff..
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 13:52:34
April 09 2011 13:51 GMT
#4165
On April 09 2011 22:50 ]343[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:49 Lightwip wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:47 ]343[ wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:41 BoldMan wrote:
lol all you guys complaining about map balance etc etc


Did you know that map imbalance *gasp* exists? And that Aztec is *gasp* 65% PvT?

Did you know that as of now, your rights to complain about Bisu whining about map imba are forfeit?
I'll agree that there's map imbalance though.


I had the right to "complain" that Bisu whines about map imba? Probably not, but I think I have the right to quote him saying "I lost due to the maps"...

To be fair, Flash pretty much said "I lost due to maps" about Bloody Ridge.


On April 09 2011 22:51 hauton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:49 Lightwip wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:47 ]343[ wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:41 BoldMan wrote:
lol all you guys complaining about map balance etc etc


Did you know that map imbalance *gasp* exists? And that Aztec is *gasp* 65% PvT?

Did you know that as of now, your rights to complain about Bisu whining about map imba are forfeit?
I'll agree that there's map imbalance though.

I don't even begrudge Bisu beating Flash on this map.

I begrudge this map being in the rotation for THREE HUNDRED GAMES without being taken out. That's just obnoxious.

That is a reasonable sentiment. I'm simply referring to those who complain when Bisu says "map imba."
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
doubleupgradeobbies!
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia1306 Posts
April 09 2011 13:52 GMT
#4166
On April 09 2011 22:50 hitthat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:26 GTR wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler +
i just had to t.t



Lol, am i the only one that see some similarities to this one? ---->
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Is it just me or is her face superficially similar to Jangbi's?

Someone should shop Jangbi's face onto that pic to compare
MSL, 2003-2011, RIP. OSL, 2000-2012, RIP. Proleague, 2003-2012, RIP. And then there was none... Even good things must come to an end.
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
April 09 2011 13:52 GMT
#4167
On April 09 2011 22:49 Bisu-Fan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:44 kuroshiroi wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:39 Murderotica wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:27 Musou wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:25 kamikami wrote:
it just showed early game that Flash couldn't catch up with Bisu multitask (attack on many places at the same time). He never got attacked like that before just because he's Terran (precisely a turtle Terran) and there was no way to use that kind of multi-harassment against him. Now Bisu just found a way to make it work and win lol.

You mean the fact that zealots are by far the strongest early game units, so if he just gets 2 to attack separate places he can basically a-move while Flash actually has to micro marines to avoid them and SCVs to block?

You clearly haven't played this game enough (hence you not knowing that Zeal micro is intense vs scv/rine and can really put you in the hole, that it slows your tech and thus makes you vulnerable to vultures or counter-pressure, etc.) and you clearly are too biased to give any credit where it's due because Bisu WAS microing and not a-moving. Please pull your head out of you know where.
Indeed. Microing Zealots is Bisu's forte, I doubt he'd even break a sweat while microing 3 at a time while making probes and stuff.

ok... i play protoss.... and i like bisu... wow huge surprise looking at my name...
i love Bisu's play style... and I love early game harass with zeals and dragoons... I do it a lot~
and i have moderate sucess with it... but then once he's done with the early game harass, he pushes out and I find out that I have 1 or 2 gateways, no multis over 1000 minerals and a terrible situation at hand~ haha i'm not good but zealot micro while base managing is sooo hard and he micro'd them so impeccably... he'd move half a hex to avoid the scvs while killing the marines


Seeing the zealots move that half a hex was pretty awesome though.
Yargh
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
April 09 2011 13:53 GMT
#4168
its time to (finally) sleep, and I'd like to thank the streamers for their wonderful service

Long live BroodWar!
Writerptrk
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3620 Posts
April 09 2011 13:53 GMT
#4169
At this point I'm honestly scanning the sidebar intently waiting for post 165 in the PR to tell me somebody's advocating Bisu #1 for April.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 13:55:36
April 09 2011 13:53 GMT
#4170
On April 09 2011 22:51 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:50 ]343[ wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:49 Lightwip wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:47 ]343[ wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:41 BoldMan wrote:
lol all you guys complaining about map balance etc etc


Did you know that map imbalance *gasp* exists? And that Aztec is *gasp* 65% PvT?

Did you know that as of now, your rights to complain about Bisu whining about map imba are forfeit?
I'll agree that there's map imbalance though.


I had the right to "complain" that Bisu whines about map imba? Probably not, but I think I have the right to quote him saying "I lost due to the maps"...

To be fair, Flash pretty much said "I lost due to maps" about Bloody Ridge.


Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:51 hauton wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:49 Lightwip wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:47 ]343[ wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:41 BoldMan wrote:
lol all you guys complaining about map balance etc etc


Did you know that map imbalance *gasp* exists? And that Aztec is *gasp* 65% PvT?

Did you know that as of now, your rights to complain about Bisu whining about map imba are forfeit?
I'll agree that there's map imbalance though.

I don't even begrudge Bisu beating Flash on this map.

I begrudge this map being in the rotation for THREE HUNDRED GAMES without being taken out. That's just obnoxious.

That is a reasonable sentiment. I'm simply referring to those who complain when Bisu says "map imba."


Yep, Flash did say that. You can quote him on that too if you'd like.

Here, I'll even post his interview quote.

Q After losing to Tyson you seem to play alot more conservative against Food5.
A It was due to the map. The game against Tyson was played on Bloody Ridge, terran cannot win if they do not destroy the opponent with an initial push, so I had to play that way. On Circuit Breaker terrran won't lose if they play defensive.
Writer
doubleupgradeobbies!
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia1306 Posts
April 09 2011 13:54 GMT
#4171
On April 09 2011 22:53 VGhost wrote:
At this point I'm honestly scanning the sidebar intently waiting for post 165 in the PR to tell me somebody's advocating Bisu #1 for April.


Well april PR already done, but we should totally have s2 in the PR for may
MSL, 2003-2011, RIP. OSL, 2000-2012, RIP. Proleague, 2003-2012, RIP. And then there was none... Even good things must come to an end.
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3620 Posts
April 09 2011 13:55 GMT
#4172
On April 09 2011 22:54 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:53 VGhost wrote:
At this point I'm honestly scanning the sidebar intently waiting for post 165 in the PR to tell me somebody's advocating Bisu #1 for April.


Well april PR already done, but we should totally have s2 in the PR for may


I always think of it as the "month that just finished" PR because that's what it's based on, but whatever!
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 13:57:32
April 09 2011 13:56 GMT
#4173
Basically things I'm pissed off about:

KT coaching decisions
Action the terribad choker
Aztec

Minor squibbles:

ppp 2x (not "unfair", just unlucky)
Flash's luck
Stats underperforming

:/
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 13:57:07
April 09 2011 13:56 GMT
#4174
On April 09 2011 22:51 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:50 ]343[ wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:49 Lightwip wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:47 ]343[ wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:41 BoldMan wrote:
lol all you guys complaining about map balance etc etc


Did you know that map imbalance *gasp* exists? And that Aztec is *gasp* 65% PvT?

Did you know that as of now, your rights to complain about Bisu whining about map imba are forfeit?
I'll agree that there's map imbalance though.


I had the right to "complain" that Bisu whines about map imba? Probably not, but I think I have the right to quote him saying "I lost due to the maps"...

To be fair, Flash pretty much said "I lost due to maps" about Bloody Ridge.


Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:51 hauton wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:49 Lightwip wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:47 ]343[ wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:41 BoldMan wrote:
lol all you guys complaining about map balance etc etc


Did you know that map imbalance *gasp* exists? And that Aztec is *gasp* 65% PvT?

Did you know that as of now, your rights to complain about Bisu whining about map imba are forfeit?
I'll agree that there's map imbalance though.

I don't even begrudge Bisu beating Flash on this map.

I begrudge this map being in the rotation for THREE HUNDRED GAMES without being taken out. That's just obnoxious.

That is a reasonable sentiment. I'm simply referring to those who complain when Bisu says "map imba."


Its a shitty meme spread by awful gimmick posters. There's nothing wrong with complaining about map imba if its actually there, I think all *sensible* people agree with this and its better if progamers start bashing shitty maps so they can be taken out of rotation faster.
doubleupgradeobbies!
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Australia1306 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 13:58:21
April 09 2011 13:58 GMT
#4175
On April 09 2011 22:56 hauton wrote:
Basically things I'm pissed off about:

ppp 2x (not unfair, just unlucky)
KT coaching decisions
Action the terribad choker
Aztec
Flash's luck said game

:/


To be entirely fair, Action was saddled with a BO disadvantage.

CH actually had the same BO advantage but was thoroughly outplayed.
MSL, 2003-2011, RIP. OSL, 2000-2012, RIP. Proleague, 2003-2012, RIP. And then there was none... Even good things must come to an end.
revy
Profile Joined September 2009
United States1524 Posts
April 09 2011 13:58 GMT
#4176
On April 09 2011 22:47 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:44 revy wrote:
His 2 base push was "weak" because it was going up against a 4 base toss! In my opinion Flash very effectively defended that zealot harass losing a minimal amount. The strength of Bisu's build was NOT in how much mining time/SCV/marine kills he got but in how long it kept Flash on the back foot. Recall that Bisu had his expansion up quite delayed as a result of his zealot pressure. Again I feel that from a pure resource perspective the lost mining time from Bisu's much delayed nat + cost of lost units < cost of Flash's lost units + lost mining time. Again I'm not saying it wasn't an effective opening, it very much was, I'm saying that its chief strength was in the amount of time it kept Flash reeling and how this allowed him to establish 4 bases.

What the heck are you talking about? First, how can you put someone on the back foot unless you're causing them to lose mining time/loser workers/lose units (or delay their tech)? Flash was on the "back foot" precisely because of the damage Bisu's zealots did.

Further more, Bisu's "much delayed nat"? WTF? Bisu's nat was EXTRA EARLY because he took his nat even before his core.

I rarely go out of my way to say something like this, but you don't know what you're talking about.


Bisu may have taken his expo before core but that's because Bisu's core was very delayed. You don't make that number of zealots without delaying your core/nat. Flash's nat was completed before Bisu even began his. Flash had his nat up at the standard 1 rax cc timing whereas Bisu did not have his nat up at the standard response timing, it was late, that's all there is to it.

You're arguing the least important part of my initial post. At no point have I ever said that Bisu's opening wasn't effective, there's no way to say that it wasn't. What I've been saying this whole time is that the biggest advantage that Bisu gained was time, not in the physical mineral cost of trading units.
gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
April 09 2011 13:59 GMT
#4177
On April 09 2011 22:42 Spica wrote:
I demand a gif of Bisu bouncing in glee in his seat

So that we can spam it everywhere.


YES YES YES!!!
JAEDONG ÜBERBONJWA!
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
April 09 2011 14:00 GMT
#4178
On April 09 2011 22:56 Womwomwom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:51 Lightwip wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:50 ]343[ wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:49 Lightwip wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:47 ]343[ wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:41 BoldMan wrote:
lol all you guys complaining about map balance etc etc


Did you know that map imbalance *gasp* exists? And that Aztec is *gasp* 65% PvT?

Did you know that as of now, your rights to complain about Bisu whining about map imba are forfeit?
I'll agree that there's map imbalance though.


I had the right to "complain" that Bisu whines about map imba? Probably not, but I think I have the right to quote him saying "I lost due to the maps"...

To be fair, Flash pretty much said "I lost due to maps" about Bloody Ridge.


On April 09 2011 22:51 hauton wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:49 Lightwip wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:47 ]343[ wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:41 BoldMan wrote:
lol all you guys complaining about map balance etc etc


Did you know that map imbalance *gasp* exists? And that Aztec is *gasp* 65% PvT?

Did you know that as of now, your rights to complain about Bisu whining about map imba are forfeit?
I'll agree that there's map imbalance though.

I don't even begrudge Bisu beating Flash on this map.

I begrudge this map being in the rotation for THREE HUNDRED GAMES without being taken out. That's just obnoxious.

That is a reasonable sentiment. I'm simply referring to those who complain when Bisu says "map imba."


Its a shitty meme spread by awful gimmick posters. There's nothing wrong with complaining about map imba if its actually there, I think all *sensible* people agree with this and its better if progamers start bashing shitty maps so they can be taken out of rotation faster.

I'd go further: why does it take progamers complaining? What the hell is KeSPA doing aside from sitting on their ass? "300 games and Terrans are playing half as much because there's a 30% handicap across both matchups? NOT OUR PROBLEM HA HA HA"
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
April 09 2011 14:00 GMT
#4179
On April 09 2011 22:52 JinDesu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:49 Bisu-Fan wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:44 kuroshiroi wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:39 Murderotica wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:27 Musou wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:25 kamikami wrote:
it just showed early game that Flash couldn't catch up with Bisu multitask (attack on many places at the same time). He never got attacked like that before just because he's Terran (precisely a turtle Terran) and there was no way to use that kind of multi-harassment against him. Now Bisu just found a way to make it work and win lol.

You mean the fact that zealots are by far the strongest early game units, so if he just gets 2 to attack separate places he can basically a-move while Flash actually has to micro marines to avoid them and SCVs to block?

You clearly haven't played this game enough (hence you not knowing that Zeal micro is intense vs scv/rine and can really put you in the hole, that it slows your tech and thus makes you vulnerable to vultures or counter-pressure, etc.) and you clearly are too biased to give any credit where it's due because Bisu WAS microing and not a-moving. Please pull your head out of you know where.
Indeed. Microing Zealots is Bisu's forte, I doubt he'd even break a sweat while microing 3 at a time while making probes and stuff.

ok... i play protoss.... and i like bisu... wow huge surprise looking at my name...
i love Bisu's play style... and I love early game harass with zeals and dragoons... I do it a lot~
and i have moderate sucess with it... but then once he's done with the early game harass, he pushes out and I find out that I have 1 or 2 gateways, no multis over 1000 minerals and a terrible situation at hand~ haha i'm not good but zealot micro while base managing is sooo hard and he micro'd them so impeccably... he'd move half a hex to avoid the scvs while killing the marines


Seeing the zealots move that half a hex was pretty awesome though.

That kind of micro is quite limited with slow lots. why? They are so freaking slow, and melee. So all the scarce time must be used to keep up with the enemy, even if they too are using slow units(marines, albeit who have the kiting advantage).
Aah thats the stuff..
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
April 09 2011 14:01 GMT
#4180
I'm gonna go to sleep now. If the Bisu vs Flash VOD is up when I return, I'll make a gif of it.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
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