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Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
April 09 2011 13:45 GMT
#4141
Oh yeah, forgot to post this when Bisu won:

[image loading]

Bisu: "People predicting that KT will roflstomp us again? Who has the last laugh now, uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh↗!!"
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
April 09 2011 13:45 GMT
#4142
On April 09 2011 22:43 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
Incidently, someone should totally make a gif of bisu being giddy like a girl when he broke that contain :D Awesome moment!


GIRL power >>>>>>> mech power.
Also, today Flash got owned by womanLots lol.
Khassar de Templari
TYJ.Aoy
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil1265 Posts
April 09 2011 13:45 GMT
#4143
I blame it on the map more than anything, and trust me, I don't even like FlaSh( since I'm a die hard JD fan).
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
April 09 2011 13:45 GMT
#4144
On April 09 2011 22:43 kamikami wrote:
So, KT fans, it's all fair and square. 21/4 we will again see Bisu vs Flash, but on a Terran favored map. So no need for whining about map imba, next time you guys will have map advantage.

God the map hasn't even been played yet and already everyone's whining imba.
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
April 09 2011 13:46 GMT
#4145
On April 09 2011 22:42 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:34 ghrur wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:31 letian wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:27 Zona wrote:
Both Flash and fans were dismissing the idea that a build could get the better of Flash, but time to eat your words. 1 gate expo (before core!) with zealot pump worked perfectly to set up Bisu for a significant eco advantage midgame

finally some wise analysis I am looking for among countless empty "Bisu is so imba" posts.
I still think its not that difficult to prepare a good build when you know your enemy. And todays Bisu victory also lies on the shoulders of his teammates.


Idk, I feel that the build worked because
A. It's a reverse ramp, Rines can't just shoot from the highground
B. Flash scouted Bisu second, and so wasn't expecting so many lots from a forward-gate
C. No bunker for the hurt marines

I think if Flash scouted bisu first, he could've gone for a bunker rush and caused a gg right there. I mean, we all saw how pretty his rine micro was.

Uh, Bisu's early zealots would have made a bunker rush very difficult to pull off, and a failed bunker rush would've similarly put flash economically behind

On the topic of Bunker rushes, I think Fantasy showed Terrans everywhere how imba reverse ramps can be against P in TvP if you can contain them w/ a Bunker. Which is why, after many Terrans replicated it, Protosses have adapted by placing a forward Gate in both PvTs after Fantasy's rape.
Writerptrk
aupstar
Profile Joined June 2007
Australia912 Posts
April 09 2011 13:46 GMT
#4146
The zealot harass delayed Flash's factory significantly and forced him to make a vulture first.
Firebats, the natural enemy of octozerg
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 13:46:54
April 09 2011 13:46 GMT
#4147
On April 09 2011 22:44 meegrean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:43 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:
Incidently, someone should totally make a gif of bisu being giddy like a girl when he broke that contain :D Awesome moment!

yeah, that was so gay lol. but oh well, i guess SKT deserved the win.


I don't know how being ecstatic when you know you broke a contain with enough units to win, you did so against the God of Terran, and doing so wins your team the league should be called gay.
Yargh
Elroi
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden5595 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-09 13:48:27
April 09 2011 13:46 GMT
#4148
[quote][QUOTE]On April 09 2011 22:37 J1.au wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 09 2011 22:35 Dante08 wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 09 2011 22:33 Reyis wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 09 2011 22:30 iMp.will. wrote:
Map..postitions..zealots unbalanced Lol. Bisu just raped Flash. WAKE UP~[/QUOTE]


I would really love to see them play in the exact same position again. It would have a diferent result IMO[/QUOTE][/quote]
I doubt that. It would take a miracle for Flash to overcome the map and win.[/QUOTE]
Flash has already had his fair chair of imba maps. Besides it is a team loss. SKT was just better, not even Flash could win from the horrible position his team mates put him in.
"To all eSports fans, I want to be remembered as a progamer who can make something out of nothing, and someone who always does his best. I think that is the right way of living, and I'm always doing my best to follow that." - Jaedong. /watch?v=jfghAzJqAp0
nemus
Profile Joined February 2010
9 Posts
April 09 2011 13:47 GMT
#4149
first time watching stream from start to finish, and it didn't dissapoint me
trexbqs
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia1731 Posts
April 09 2011 13:47 GMT
#4150
On April 09 2011 22:42 Hyde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:40 Piste wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:38 bITt.mAN wrote:
OH MY FUCKING GOD HOW THE HELL DID I FORGET TO POST THIS!?!?!

[image loading]

Guys on the left = KT Zergs ^^

the second one looks like canata..

It is Canata I think


it is canata :D
Learn,live and love it.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 09 2011 13:47 GMT
#4151
On April 09 2011 22:44 revy wrote:
His 2 base push was "weak" because it was going up against a 4 base toss! In my opinion Flash very effectively defended that zealot harass losing a minimal amount. The strength of Bisu's build was NOT in how much mining time/SCV/marine kills he got but in how long it kept Flash on the back foot. Recall that Bisu had his expansion up quite delayed as a result of his zealot pressure. Again I feel that from a pure resource perspective the lost mining time from Bisu's much delayed nat + cost of lost units < cost of Flash's lost units + lost mining time. Again I'm not saying it wasn't an effective opening, it very much was, I'm saying that its chief strength was in the amount of time it kept Flash reeling and how this allowed him to establish 4 bases.

What the heck are you talking about? First, how can you put someone on the back foot unless you're causing them to lose mining time/loser workers/lose units (or delay their tech)? Flash was on the "back foot" precisely because of the damage Bisu's zealots did.

Further more, Bisu's "much delayed nat"? WTF? Bisu's nat was EXTRA EARLY because he took his nat even before his core.

I rarely go out of my way to say something like this, but you don't know what you're talking about.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
April 09 2011 13:47 GMT
#4152
On April 09 2011 22:41 BoldMan wrote:
lol all you guys complaining about map balance etc etc


Did you know that map imbalance *gasp* exists? And that Aztec is *gasp* 65% PvT?

Not to say that Bisu didn't prepare well---he abused the map to its fullest and came out with the win. His micro was not terrible, but the strategy was successful due to the map.
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
April 09 2011 13:47 GMT
#4153
On April 09 2011 22:19 Spica wrote:
SKT

IS

BEST KT.

ahahahaha
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3329 Posts
April 09 2011 13:47 GMT
#4154
On April 09 2011 22:42 Hyde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:40 Piste wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:38 bITt.mAN wrote:
OH MY FUCKING GOD HOW THE HELL DID I FORGET TO POST THIS!?!?!

[image loading]

Guys on the left = KT Zergs ^^

the second one looks like canata..

It is Canata I think

haahahah this is pure gold especially the Piste quote...
now we need teh Bisu gif
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
Kamille
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Monaco1035 Posts
April 09 2011 13:48 GMT
#4155
On April 09 2011 22:45 Spica wrote:
Oh yeah, forgot to post this when Bisu won:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Bisu: "People predicting that KT will roflstomp us again? Who has the last laugh now, uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh↗!!"


Aztec has the last laugh.
Priphea
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
April 09 2011 13:49 GMT
#4156
On April 09 2011 22:47 ]343[ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:41 BoldMan wrote:
lol all you guys complaining about map balance etc etc


Did you know that map imbalance *gasp* exists? And that Aztec is *gasp* 65% PvT?

Did you know that as of now, your rights to complain about Bisu whining about map imba are forfeit?
I'll agree that there's map imbalance though.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
Bisu-Fan
Profile Joined January 2010
Russian Federation3329 Posts
April 09 2011 13:49 GMT
#4157
On April 09 2011 22:44 kuroshiroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:39 Murderotica wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:27 Musou wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:25 kamikami wrote:
it just showed early game that Flash couldn't catch up with Bisu multitask (attack on many places at the same time). He never got attacked like that before just because he's Terran (precisely a turtle Terran) and there was no way to use that kind of multi-harassment against him. Now Bisu just found a way to make it work and win lol.

You mean the fact that zealots are by far the strongest early game units, so if he just gets 2 to attack separate places he can basically a-move while Flash actually has to micro marines to avoid them and SCVs to block?

You clearly haven't played this game enough (hence you not knowing that Zeal micro is intense vs scv/rine and can really put you in the hole, that it slows your tech and thus makes you vulnerable to vultures or counter-pressure, etc.) and you clearly are too biased to give any credit where it's due because Bisu WAS microing and not a-moving. Please pull your head out of you know where.
Indeed. Microing Zealots is Bisu's forte, I doubt he'd even break a sweat while microing 3 at a time while making probes and stuff.

ok... i play protoss.... and i like bisu... wow huge surprise looking at my name...
i love Bisu's play style... and I love early game harass with zeals and dragoons... I do it a lot~
and i have moderate sucess with it... but then once he's done with the early game harass, he pushes out and I find out that I have 1 or 2 gateways, no multis over 1000 minerals and a terrible situation at hand~ haha i'm not good but zealot micro while base managing is sooo hard and he micro'd them so impeccably... he'd move half a hex to avoid the scvs while killing the marines
The Revolutionist Shall Rise Again! No. 1 Kim Taek Yong Fan 어헣↗ GO JAEDONG!!!!!!! GO ACE!!! 태연 <3 윤아 <3 승연 <3
PineappleLumpsToss
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand2434 Posts
April 09 2011 13:50 GMT
#4158
Thanks to all the streamers. I'm off to bed.

SKT hwaiting!
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
April 09 2011 13:50 GMT
#4159
On April 09 2011 22:44 Musou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:43 kamikami wrote:
So, KT fans, it's all fair and square. 21/4 we will again see Bisu vs Flash, but on a Terran favored map. So no need for whining about map imba, next time you guys will have map advantage.

I don't think you can fairly say Monte Cristo is terran favored when no games have even been played on it yet. Everyone seems to assume (wrongly) that every map is terran favored when they first come out.


Yeah seriously, remember the posts about how Battle Royale was going to be terran heaven, even from some of the best BW players at the time?

Turns out only ZvZs were played on that map after every non-zerg would lose badly no matter how good they were.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
April 09 2011 13:50 GMT
#4160
On April 09 2011 22:49 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 22:47 ]343[ wrote:
On April 09 2011 22:41 BoldMan wrote:
lol all you guys complaining about map balance etc etc


Did you know that map imbalance *gasp* exists? And that Aztec is *gasp* 65% PvT?

Did you know that as of now, your rights to complain about Bisu whining about map imba are forfeit?
I'll agree that there's map imbalance though.


I had the right to "complain" that Bisu whines about map imba? Probably not, but I think I have the right to quote him saying "I lost due to the maps"...
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